Hey guys-
I am knee deep in writing my final reports now / updating stacks. I will be sharing what I can in April. Will try to address a few things I have seen asked/discussed that I haven't had time to get to in addition to some thoughts I have had circulate in relation to NYG as I get the work done.
-I think NYG needs to go defense @4 if they stay put. There are is chance someone makes a move up for a QB but there are countless variables that can make our heads spin there. So I just stick with NYG staying at 4. They need a defensive playmaker or 2 this offseason. I can see them spending big at CB or EDGE...and going with Simmons or Okudah at #4.
-One negative on Simmons - he would have to play a similar role to Peppers. Can you get both those guys on the field without compromising interior run defense or deep coverage? You don't want Peppers playing the CF role - you don't want Simmons playing an ILB role. Also consider Julian Love earned some snaps in my opinion. I you view Simmons as a LB/S hybrid - it may be hard to have Peppers or Love out there - let alone all 3 together.
-The OL can be addressed in round 2. There will be a quality OT or OC there, both spots I think NYG needs to address. Maybe one can be done in FA? Not sure I see the value there though, we will see if anyone gets cut due to money reasons though.
-NYG can consider OT at #4 - but there is a group of 3 or 4 guys that all have warts. I still have 1st round grades on them but in terms of immediate impact and really high ceiling, may be a tough sell to take them that high.
-This WR class is historic. NYG could use another young pass catcher to develop and contribute on a part time basis in 2020, preferably one with size. Because of the supply, they may get a day 2 grade in round 4 or 5 like they did with Slayton. Be patient - someone will be there day 3.
-In terms of looking outside the box - how about looking for one of these TEs? This is a sneaky-solid group that will present value day 2 / early day 3. "NYG has bigger needs" I know - but consider the idea FA can fill some of them AND if NYG truly wants to plan around Barkley without compromising the passing game too much - a 2 TE offense can be a thing here especially if Engram is one of them, a guy that can pass as a WR.
I am around the next 2 hours if any questions want to be asked. I will get to them.
So what about round 2.. who are the second tier edge guys who might get a look..
I idon't have much on the character / maturity / work ethic. Not yet anyway.
His inconsistency is frustrating, for sure.
Andrew Thomas at his best is better than any other OT at their best. At the very least he is a plus run blocker right away.
I know Mekhi Becton is your top rated OT
So what about round 2.. who are the second tier edge guys who might get a look..
Few names:
Chaisson / LSU
Gross Matos / Penn State
Lewis / Alabama
Baun / Wisconsin
Greenard / Florida
EE is not a TE, never mind he cannot stay on the field.
Look at all the TEs in the NFC alone who were drafted 4th, 5th and are stellar.
Kadin is a good start, maybe Conrad for depth, but next to the voids and failures at OL and LBs, TE is vying for 3rd worst position drafting/planning (on both sides of the ball).
And afford the Giants an extra pick or two?
Assuming chase young and corner are too valuable for Washington and Detroit.
Not knowing much about Simmons or Okudah what are your projections on them as pros, what current players are they most similar to in reaching that kind of potential? thanks!
Thanks!
Who should we be watching on the oline during the game?
Thanks.
What OL would you target at top of rd 2?
Id there anyone you might move up for into the 1st?
We could have gotten Simmons at 4 and an OL at 10 and might have been better off. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.
2 questions, supposed they get a Defesive Player at 4 and a center at 36, would Matthew Peart from UConn be a good option with the comp 3rd or high 4th????
Also, one of my friends is the D Coordinator at Bishop Hendricken HS in RI. He coached KWITY PAYE in HS and has always said he is a great kid. They have a few kid playing D1 and a bunch more in D2 an D3 but Kwitty has always been a favorite of the staff because of the person he is. Any early thoughts on how he is being viewed. I was involved in RI HS football as an assistant for 6 years and I am always pulling for our kids!
Great to see you checking in....Thanks Ed
When you do your evaluations, I am wondering why Chris Orr is getting so little love and whether Quintez Cephus could be good value for us as a WR.
TIA
Interested? Absolutely. 1st round grade and has some of the most dominant tape I have seen from OT in years.
There are consistency issues and I think they will need to get some 1 on 1 visits with him. He is sloppy - and one red flag is that he got worse as the year went. He opened the year with quality technique but by the end of the year he got really sloppy. Maybe he got too caught up in to his pancake-block highlight reel? That won't work in the NFL
Question is...will he work on technique? And keep working on it. And then keep working on it.
Hopkins is crafty and a sure hands catcher. I think he is a tad small and won't make a big difference in the trenches. Solid player that can be moved around. Smart, plays hard.
There always are nice change of pace, accessory type RBs late. Question is - can they and will they block?
I love McFarland from Maryland but I think he goes a little earlier then where NYG will look RB. Reggie Corbin is interesting to me - a small but sneaky powerful and quick kid with good hands reminds me a bit of Tiki. Also like JJ Taylor from Arizona.
Why not a power back? Give Barkley a rest on short yardage to keep him safer and allow him to be the guy to catch the ball? Similar to how CAR spells McCaffrey.
Bennie LeMay from Charlotte is a nice power guy as is AJ Dillon from BC and Olinolua from TCU (has a drug arrest though).
Not knowing much about Simmons or Okudah what are your projections on them as pros, what current players are they most similar to in reaching that kind of potential? thanks!
Simmons is one of the more unique players I have scouted. I see some Derwin James in him actually, the LAC safety. You have to be really creative with him though because his one red flag is playing through traffic as a traditional LB. He is just another guy in that role.
Okudah - I don't want to get ahead of myself because I still have some work to do there but I see some Patrick Peterson when it comes to versatility and competitiveness. He can be an island guy - something I don't say often.
Would the FO use 1st round pick on CB 2 years in a row? I don't know.
Thanks!
Cover TEs (a major NYG defensive issue for years)
Rush the passer from all angles (don't we miss those days?)
Pursues hard and is always around the ball
Smart and instinctive - reactions are on point
Makes plays
Brown is tied for #3 defensive player in this draft for me
Who should we be watching on the oline during the game?
Thanks.
Jones is a long term upside guy - don't think he is a 2020 guy.
OC Cushenberry is intersting, as are fellow OCs Hennessey and Harris.
OG Jonah Jackson is a versatile interior backup with starter potential down the road.
The D III kid Bartch made me a believer this week. Really solid but not sure he can play OT.
We could have gotten Simmons at 4 and an OL at 10 and might have been better off. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.
2 questions, supposed they get a Defesive Player at 4 and a center at 36, would Matthew Peart from UConn be a good option with the comp 3rd or high 4th????
Also, one of my friends is the D Coordinator at Bishop Hendricken HS in RI. He coached KWITY PAYE in HS and has always said he is a great kid. They have a few kid playing D1 and a bunch more in D2 an D3 but Kwitty has always been a favorite of the staff because of the person he is. Any early thoughts on how he is being viewed. I was involved in RI HS football as an assistant for 6 years and I am always pulling for our kids!
Great to see you checking in....Thanks Ed
I'm not high on Peart. Too much waist bending - feet aren't there. Having a hard time in Sr Bowl practice.
When you do your evaluations, I am wondering why Chris Orr is getting so little love and whether Quintez Cephus could be good value for us as a WR.
TIA
Orr is a thumper and special teamer. A good one. But the demand for them isn't what is used to be. EVERYONE is looking for LBs that can cover...or at the very least run. Orr is below average in both.
Cephus I still have to do work on.
I prefer him off ball with some 3rd down rushing potential. I don't want him on line every down.
CB Okudah
LB Simmons
DT Brown
Only one problem with this. We don't need "a quality OT or OC" We need two a quality OT and a quality OC. Unless we're signing a bunch of OL in FA this won't do.
Thoughts on their DE Anae and their corner Johnson?
It's not a need, but would be curious to hear your thoughts on Jordan Love, too...
Only one problem with this. We don't need "a quality OT or OC" We need two a quality OT and a quality OC. Unless we're signing a bunch of OL in FA this won't do.
Can't fill 3 holes with one pick
FA needs to address a few of the roster issues.
Thoughts on their DE Anae and their corner Johnson?
It's not a need, but would be curious to hear your thoughts on Jordan Love, too...
Anae is a try-hard guy that lacks top end talent. He can be a solid rotational player but I wouldn't want him as my feature guy.
Johnson has the size/speed that the NFL loves at the position. Good ball skills - some reading issues and will bail too early. Correctable. Potential 1st round grade that will be there day 2.
Love is the highest upside passer in the class - including Burrow. But there is a lot that will need to happen and progress if he will reach the ceiling.
I like those high effort guys. Has Patriot written all over him.
I really liked Love coming into the year but he really took a step back. I was pumped to see him in the LSU game. And I know USU was outclassed against LSU talent-wise, but Love's play was uninspiring...
Intelligence is trait #1 you want out of OC. But yes I want a guy that can anchor too. I do prefer movement over power though - I am fine with bth Cushenberry and Hennessey. Intrigued by Harris too.
No, I do not see Gettleman going there.
I love Murray. He is my LB1 outside of Simmons. I have a higher grade on him than anyone I have spoken with.