After discussing why Rhonde should be in the HOF-which he should-they talked about his time with the Giants.
When Eli was drafted, Tiki was told Eli was different than Peyton, not in a bad way.
He said team wasn't that upset when TC benched Warner for Eli. Warmer was a system QB that didn't mesh with Giants. Tiki said it would have been different if Collins was still around because guys knew him.
He claims his comment about Eli's leadership being 'comical' was misinterpreted. He was trying to say Eli was a funny guy. I don't buy this, but okay.
Has a good relationship with Eli currently.
Also, thinks 07 Giants weren't close to winning it all.
What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.
He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.
He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.
To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.
Post the whole tape, then Eric. I saw the whole segment live. He wasn't knocking Eli, the context of his comments was that Eli had grown from the previous year as a leader. That's complimentary. You can say what you want, but the media cut his "comical" part of the segment out of the rest of his comments to invent the controversy.
POST THE ENTIRE VIDEO THEN. I remember it very clearly.
I'm not saying Tiki is just a great guy. I think Tiki has flaws like everyone else. I think Tiki made mistakes with the media with his early retirement announcement. I think Tiki shouldn't have spoken up about Strahan's contract negotiations, I think it was a huge mistake.
He was also a tremendous player. And I also remember that when he was elected to the Pro Bowl (when it was still in Hawaii), on a trip that most players take their families and relax on a little paid vacation from the NFL, Tiki got up at 3:30, 4:00 AM and went and ran several miles with the troops at Schofield Barracks. Nobody does that in Tiki's shoes. As a veteran, that to me told me the type of man he is.
People will talk about what happened with his first wife. And I'll tell you, it didn't look good. But I won't comment on another man's personal life when it comes to marriage. Nobody knows what's really going in that household but the two parties involved. If she has a cold lump of coal where her heart should be, does that change anything? I don't know, but I don't pretend to know what's going on in another man's marriage so I'm not going to sit here and pass judgement on such matters.
What I will say is that if you watched that whole segment in context of what he was saying, it wasn't half as bad as the media and subsequent fan reaction made it out to be. The latched on to a story they knew would get clicks. That's all.
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Wow. It's almost as if you are reinventing reality.
What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.
He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.
He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.
To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.
Post the whole tape, then Eric. I saw the whole segment live. He wasn't knocking Eli, the context of his comments was that Eli had grown from the previous year as a leader. That's complimentary. You can say what you want, but the media cut his "comical" part of the segment out of the rest of his comments to invent the controversy.
POST THE ENTIRE VIDEO THEN. I remember it very clearly.
I'm not saying Tiki is just a great guy. I think Tiki has flaws like everyone else. I think Tiki made mistakes with the media with his early retirement announcement. I think Tiki shouldn't have spoken up about Strahan's contract negotiations, I think it was a huge mistake.
He was also a tremendous player. And I also remember that when he was elected to the Pro Bowl (when it was still in Hawaii), on a trip that most players take their families and relax on a little paid vacation from the NFL, Tiki got up at 3:30, 4:00 AM and went and ran several miles with the troops at Schofield Barracks. Nobody does that in Tiki's shoes. As a veteran, that to me told me the type of man he is.
People will talk about what happened with his first wife. And I'll tell you, it didn't look good. But I won't comment on another man's personal life when it comes to marriage. Nobody knows what's really going in that household but the two parties involved. If she has a cold lump of coal where her heart should be, does that change anything? I don't know, but I don't pretend to know what's going on in another man's marriage so I'm not going to sit here and pass judgement on such matters.
What I will say is that if you watched that whole segment in context of what he was saying, it wasn't half as bad as the media and subsequent fan reaction made it out to be. The latched on to a story they knew would get clicks. That's all.
Tiki's ex-teammates even called him out for it so don't say it was an overreaction from fans and media.
There you go. That's the full context of his comments. This was his assessment of his time there. He was saying Eli has room to grow as a leader. And he was right, Eli still was finding his place on that team as a leader, and he's right that him leaving probably helped him make that next step.
He also said he has a great demeanor, he's been a leader in some games, and he's been very good as a quarterback. He said all those things but "comical" was the one reported. And quite honestly, if you close your eyes and picture Eli trying to do the pre-game pump-up speech circa 2007 (or really anytime), that IS comical. Think about Drew Brees giving that speech and try to imagine Eli in that fashion. That's why, to my memory, I don't really remember Eli doing many of those pre-game speeches. You'd see Justin Tuck doing it...hell, before Super Bowl 46, remember Tuck talking about "I got a ring...it's the best feeling, and if it's on me today, you're going to have one after this." And right in that video, is David Baas and Kareem McKenzie, so this was not just a "firing up the defense" speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahB0vwq25t8
Look, Eli is on the Mount Rushmore of the NY Giants. I respect him, and I'm sure Tiki does as well. And just as Eli said this morning, he was never a rah-rah guy, he did it his way. He said if he tried to be a rah-rah guy, his teammates would see through it. So why is Tiki's comments about him attempting to be the pre-game "rah-rah guy" so off-base? That wasn't Eli...but he was a young player trying to step up and lead that team, and he hadn't quite matured to that level.
Everyone here knows Eli was a bit of a late bloomer on this team, but when he did, he made history.
So one last time, Tiki isn't perfect, but his comments were honest, they weren't disparaging of Eli, they were mostly what we thought at the time, and he was still complimentary of Eli as he was saying them.
Again Tiki wasn't perfect and made mistakes, but as far as some unforgivable sin...I never saw it, never understood this reaction, still think it's BS, and he's still a great Giant and that's how I will remember him.
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Wow. It's almost as if you are reinventing reality.
What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.
He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.
He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.
To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.
Post the whole tape, then Eric. I saw the whole segment live. He wasn't knocking Eli, the context of his comments was that Eli had grown from the previous year as a leader. That's complimentary. You can say what you want, but the media cut his "comical" part of the segment out of the rest of his comments to invent the controversy.
POST THE ENTIRE VIDEO THEN. I remember it very clearly.
I'm not saying Tiki is just a great guy. I think Tiki has flaws like everyone else. I think Tiki made mistakes with the media with his early retirement announcement. I think Tiki shouldn't have spoken up about Strahan's contract negotiations, I think it was a huge mistake.
He was also a tremendous player. And I also remember that when he was elected to the Pro Bowl (when it was still in Hawaii), on a trip that most players take their families and relax on a little paid vacation from the NFL, Tiki got up at 3:30, 4:00 AM and went and ran several miles with the troops at Schofield Barracks. Nobody does that in Tiki's shoes. As a veteran, that to me told me the type of man he is.
People will talk about what happened with his first wife. And I'll tell you, it didn't look good. But I won't comment on another man's personal life when it comes to marriage. Nobody knows what's really going in that household but the two parties involved. If she has a cold lump of coal where her heart should be, does that change anything? I don't know, but I don't pretend to know what's going on in another man's marriage so I'm not going to sit here and pass judgement on such matters.
What I will say is that if you watched that whole segment in context of what he was saying, it wasn't half as bad as the media and subsequent fan reaction made it out to be. The latched on to a story they knew would get clicks. That's all.
Tiki's ex-teammates even called him out for it so don't say it was an overreaction from fans and media.
Yeah because they were seeing the same media as everyone else. It's a natural reaction to defend your QB when you believe he's being attacked.
He did nothing but bash him as a leader in the clubhouse
It is true with regards to his answer about the leadership aspect.
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I posted the actual transcript...that's the ACTUAL history. You're focusing on one part of what he said, the entire controversy was that Tiki was insulting his former QB and teammate, when if you read the actual transcript, that's clearly not the case.
It is true with regards to his answer about the leadership aspect.
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In the big scheme of things it’s silly to still get worked up over Tiki’s dumb comments after all these years.
Nah let them have their fun. It's just sports.
What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.
He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.
He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.
To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.
Thank you E. Love that pic btw, lol.
It doesn't help that Tiki has a subpar TV persona (which, IMO, is why his media career tanked). When he's in the media, fans don't react positively to him, no matter what he's saying. Strahan has a good media persona and can get away with all kinds of shit.
He's 15th in NFL history in yards from scrimmage. Every other player in the top 15 is already a HOFer or will be when they get the chance. Him and Barry Sanders are the only players in the top 15 that played less than 11 seasons.
If he would have played 2 or 3 more years like most of the others in the top 15 he'd probably be top 4 all time in yards from scrimmage. Frank Gore is 4th all time. He has 3,611 more scrimmage yards than Tiki.
It makes me sad that he gets bad mouthed by so many fans. His numbers are just ridiculous, but he was also a very very nice person to the fans. I've met him a bunch and he's always been extremely friendly. Probably top 5 nicest NFL players I've ever met and I've met thousands.
Rick. He gets bad mouthed for being a liar and his personal conduct after he left football. He purposefully crapped on Eli to promote his career. Just move one and stop lying about his comments. Eli looked comical to him. My guess is he always thinks he’s the smartest coolest dude in the room. I don’t hate the guy and do think if he hadn't retired and had two more good to great years he might be in the HOF.
But he’s literally brought this on himself. And maybe people should let it go but he’s lying his ass off about what he meant. So again. YOu can feel how u want but why can’t others feel his disingenuous and maybe not is h a great guy. Has nothing to do w his talent or on field accomplishments. You want a public life after football try not to be a dick. Not hard for most guys.