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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/23/2020 9:18 pm
After discussing why Rhonde should be in the HOF-which he should-they talked about his time with the Giants.

When Eli was drafted, Tiki was told Eli was different than Peyton, not in a bad way.

He said team wasn't that upset when TC benched Warner for Eli. Warmer was a system QB that didn't mesh with Giants. Tiki said it would have been different if Collins was still around because guys knew him.

He claims his comment about Eli's leadership being 'comical' was misinterpreted. He was trying to say Eli was a funny guy. I don't buy this, but okay.

Has a good relationship with Eli currently.

Also, thinks 07 Giants weren't close to winning it all.
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I feel like it's not really relevant to the actual topic,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/24/2020 10:18 am : link
but Tiki Barber's first three years in the league look nothing like Barkley. He didn't have a breakout season until year 4.
RE: allstarjim  
allstarjim : 1/24/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14791918 Eric from BBI said:
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Wow. It's almost as if you are reinventing reality.

What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.

He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.

He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.

To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.



Post the whole tape, then Eric. I saw the whole segment live. He wasn't knocking Eli, the context of his comments was that Eli had grown from the previous year as a leader. That's complimentary. You can say what you want, but the media cut his "comical" part of the segment out of the rest of his comments to invent the controversy.

POST THE ENTIRE VIDEO THEN. I remember it very clearly.

I'm not saying Tiki is just a great guy. I think Tiki has flaws like everyone else. I think Tiki made mistakes with the media with his early retirement announcement. I think Tiki shouldn't have spoken up about Strahan's contract negotiations, I think it was a huge mistake.

He was also a tremendous player. And I also remember that when he was elected to the Pro Bowl (when it was still in Hawaii), on a trip that most players take their families and relax on a little paid vacation from the NFL, Tiki got up at 3:30, 4:00 AM and went and ran several miles with the troops at Schofield Barracks. Nobody does that in Tiki's shoes. As a veteran, that to me told me the type of man he is.

People will talk about what happened with his first wife. And I'll tell you, it didn't look good. But I won't comment on another man's personal life when it comes to marriage. Nobody knows what's really going in that household but the two parties involved. If she has a cold lump of coal where her heart should be, does that change anything? I don't know, but I don't pretend to know what's going on in another man's marriage so I'm not going to sit here and pass judgement on such matters.

What I will say is that if you watched that whole segment in context of what he was saying, it wasn't half as bad as the media and subsequent fan reaction made it out to be. The latched on to a story they knew would get clicks. That's all.
If Tiki really wants forgiveness  
mrvax : 1/24/2020 1:53 pm : link
why not let it go and forgive him?
For those of you who believe Tiki's newest excuse  
montanagiant : 1/24/2020 2:15 pm : link
here's a good take on what he did when he retired
link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: allstarjim  
montanagiant : 1/24/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14792503 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14791918 Eric from BBI said:


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Wow. It's almost as if you are reinventing reality.

What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.

He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.

He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.

To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.





Post the whole tape, then Eric. I saw the whole segment live. He wasn't knocking Eli, the context of his comments was that Eli had grown from the previous year as a leader. That's complimentary. You can say what you want, but the media cut his "comical" part of the segment out of the rest of his comments to invent the controversy.

POST THE ENTIRE VIDEO THEN. I remember it very clearly.

I'm not saying Tiki is just a great guy. I think Tiki has flaws like everyone else. I think Tiki made mistakes with the media with his early retirement announcement. I think Tiki shouldn't have spoken up about Strahan's contract negotiations, I think it was a huge mistake.

He was also a tremendous player. And I also remember that when he was elected to the Pro Bowl (when it was still in Hawaii), on a trip that most players take their families and relax on a little paid vacation from the NFL, Tiki got up at 3:30, 4:00 AM and went and ran several miles with the troops at Schofield Barracks. Nobody does that in Tiki's shoes. As a veteran, that to me told me the type of man he is.

People will talk about what happened with his first wife. And I'll tell you, it didn't look good. But I won't comment on another man's personal life when it comes to marriage. Nobody knows what's really going in that household but the two parties involved. If she has a cold lump of coal where her heart should be, does that change anything? I don't know, but I don't pretend to know what's going on in another man's marriage so I'm not going to sit here and pass judgement on such matters.

What I will say is that if you watched that whole segment in context of what he was saying, it wasn't half as bad as the media and subsequent fan reaction made it out to be. The latched on to a story they knew would get clicks. That's all.

Tiki's ex-teammates even called him out for it so don't say it was an overreaction from fans and media.
I found a transcript of the comments...  
allstarjim : 1/24/2020 2:31 pm : link
I'm going to bold the parts where I believe context was lost because of their omission in the reporting. There are character issues here, I suppose because it's a nearly 13 year old article. This is from the NY Daily News, and I'm including only the exact quotes/transcript of what Tiki said.

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Bob Costas: Eli Manning, after three years, your assessment. Tiki: I think he’s been very good as a quarterback. He’s had great yardage in some games. He’s been a leader in some games. He has made some mistakes -- some interceptions, some bad mechanical things. But I think the biggest question about Eli right now and the one that everybody’s asking -- and it gets convoluted a little bit in the media -- is: Can he be a leader of men? Can he make these guys play for him when the chips go down? Cris Collinsworth: Can he? Tiki: That’s to be determined. He hasn’t shown it. His personality hasn’t been so that he can step up, make a strong statement and have people believe that it’s coming from his heart. Collinsworth: All right, give me an example. Give me some story. What’s he like? When he gets in the huddle is he a different guy? Because he’s so quiet. Tiki: No. He’s very calm. He has a great demeanor. And that’s good in some respects. Last year about Week 12 I turned over the offensive motivational speech to Eli and he was gung-ho to do it, but he was uncomfortable doing it. I think a lot of it had to do with vets being around -- myself, Jeremy Shockey, Plaxico Burress. He didn’t feel like his voice was going to be strong enough and it showed. Sometimes it was almost comical the way that he would say things. Collinsworth: So basically your leaving was a good thing for Eli. Tiki: I think it is a good thing for Eli, to tell you the truth. Quite honestly.


There you go. That's the full context of his comments. This was his assessment of his time there. He was saying Eli has room to grow as a leader. And he was right, Eli still was finding his place on that team as a leader, and he's right that him leaving probably helped him make that next step.

He also said he has a great demeanor, he's been a leader in some games, and he's been very good as a quarterback. He said all those things but "comical" was the one reported. And quite honestly, if you close your eyes and picture Eli trying to do the pre-game pump-up speech circa 2007 (or really anytime), that IS comical. Think about Drew Brees giving that speech and try to imagine Eli in that fashion. That's why, to my memory, I don't really remember Eli doing many of those pre-game speeches. You'd see Justin Tuck doing it...hell, before Super Bowl 46, remember Tuck talking about "I got a ring...it's the best feeling, and if it's on me today, you're going to have one after this." And right in that video, is David Baas and Kareem McKenzie, so this was not just a "firing up the defense" speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahB0vwq25t8

Look, Eli is on the Mount Rushmore of the NY Giants. I respect him, and I'm sure Tiki does as well. And just as Eli said this morning, he was never a rah-rah guy, he did it his way. He said if he tried to be a rah-rah guy, his teammates would see through it. So why is Tiki's comments about him attempting to be the pre-game "rah-rah guy" so off-base? That wasn't Eli...but he was a young player trying to step up and lead that team, and he hadn't quite matured to that level.

Everyone here knows Eli was a bit of a late bloomer on this team, but when he did, he made history.

So one last time, Tiki isn't perfect, but his comments were honest, they weren't disparaging of Eli, they were mostly what we thought at the time, and he was still complimentary of Eli as he was saying them.

Again Tiki wasn't perfect and made mistakes, but as far as some unforgivable sin...I never saw it, never understood this reaction, still think it's BS, and he's still a great Giant and that's how I will remember him.
RE: RE: RE: allstarjim  
allstarjim : 1/24/2020 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14792574 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14792503 allstarjim said:


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In comment 14791918 Eric from BBI said:


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Wow. It's almost as if you are reinventing reality.

What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.

He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.

He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.

To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.





Post the whole tape, then Eric. I saw the whole segment live. He wasn't knocking Eli, the context of his comments was that Eli had grown from the previous year as a leader. That's complimentary. You can say what you want, but the media cut his "comical" part of the segment out of the rest of his comments to invent the controversy.

POST THE ENTIRE VIDEO THEN. I remember it very clearly.

I'm not saying Tiki is just a great guy. I think Tiki has flaws like everyone else. I think Tiki made mistakes with the media with his early retirement announcement. I think Tiki shouldn't have spoken up about Strahan's contract negotiations, I think it was a huge mistake.

He was also a tremendous player. And I also remember that when he was elected to the Pro Bowl (when it was still in Hawaii), on a trip that most players take their families and relax on a little paid vacation from the NFL, Tiki got up at 3:30, 4:00 AM and went and ran several miles with the troops at Schofield Barracks. Nobody does that in Tiki's shoes. As a veteran, that to me told me the type of man he is.

People will talk about what happened with his first wife. And I'll tell you, it didn't look good. But I won't comment on another man's personal life when it comes to marriage. Nobody knows what's really going in that household but the two parties involved. If she has a cold lump of coal where her heart should be, does that change anything? I don't know, but I don't pretend to know what's going on in another man's marriage so I'm not going to sit here and pass judgement on such matters.

What I will say is that if you watched that whole segment in context of what he was saying, it wasn't half as bad as the media and subsequent fan reaction made it out to be. The latched on to a story they knew would get clicks. That's all.


Tiki's ex-teammates even called him out for it so don't say it was an overreaction from fans and media.


Yeah because they were seeing the same media as everyone else. It's a natural reaction to defend your QB when you believe he's being attacked.
NO...They heard the comments  
montanagiant : 1/24/2020 2:58 pm : link
Seriously, this is a perfect example of revisionist history on your part
Allstar  
montanagiant : 1/24/2020 3:03 pm : link
He said the complementary aspects in answer to a question of how is Eli in the "huddle".

He did nothing but bash him as a leader in the clubhouse
It's not revisionist history  
allstarjim : 1/24/2020 3:09 pm : link
I posted the actual transcript...that's the ACTUAL history. You're focusing on one part of what he said, the entire controversy was that Tiki was insulting his former QB and teammate, when if you read the actual transcript, that's clearly not the case.
RE: It's not revisionist history  
montanagiant : 1/24/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14792659 allstarjim said:
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I posted the actual transcript...that's the ACTUAL history. You're focusing on one part of what he said, the entire controversy was that Tiki was insulting his former QB and teammate, when if you read the actual transcript, that's clearly not the case.

It is true with regards to his answer about the leadership aspect.
RE: RE: It's not revisionist history  
allstarjim : 1/24/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14792677 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14792659 allstarjim said:


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I posted the actual transcript...that's the ACTUAL history. You're focusing on one part of what he said, the entire controversy was that Tiki was insulting his former QB and teammate, when if you read the actual transcript, that's clearly not the case.


It is true with regards to his answer about the leadership aspect.


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Fans should take the example from Eli  
steve in ky : 1/24/2020 3:40 pm : link
When he said today how he prefers to remember the good things and not dwell on the negatives.

In the big scheme of things it’s silly to still get worked up over Tiki’s dumb comments after all these years.
RE: I'm always amazed at how many fans are still angry at Tiki  
Route 9 : 1/24/2020 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14791562 steve in ky said:
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Eli has played an entire career and retired and it's still going on. Let it go.


Nah let them have their fun. It's just sports.
RE: allstarjim  
Optimus-NY : 1/26/2020 7:37 am : link
In comment 14791918 Eric from BBI said:
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Wow. It's almost as if you are reinventing reality.

What Tiki said is on tape. We all saw it. It was not taken out of context at all. The press didn't just call him out on it, his teammates did. Tiki did similar crap during his last year as a Giant, making it all about him.

He could have been this generation's Frank Gifford. Instead, he's become an assclown.

He's tried to redeem himself a number of times, but he simply can't man up and say, "Hey, I screwed up." Instead, he continues to make excuses.

To his credit, Eli bitch-slapped him and he's never recovered from it.



Thank you E. Love that pic btw, lol.
allstar  
fkap : 1/26/2020 9:14 am : link
I agree with your take. That's how I always interpreted it. At the time, Eli was our darling and fans didn't want to hear anything other than how wonderful he is. Had Tiki originally made those comments over the last few years, I'll bet the reaction would have been different. Far, far worse was said about Eli here on BBI.

It doesn't help that Tiki has a subpar TV persona (which, IMO, is why his media career tanked). When he's in the media, fans don't react positively to him, no matter what he's saying. Strahan has a good media persona and can get away with all kinds of shit.
RE: I still don't understand the hate for Tiki  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/26/2020 10:05 am : link
In comment 14791606 Big Rick in FL said:
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Sure he probably said a few things he should have kept quiet, but at the time I'm not sure he was wrong. Now he looks very wrong. Tiki was an all time great New York Giant though. He should be a HOFer in my opinion.

He's 15th in NFL history in yards from scrimmage. Every other player in the top 15 is already a HOFer or will be when they get the chance. Him and Barry Sanders are the only players in the top 15 that played less than 11 seasons.

If he would have played 2 or 3 more years like most of the others in the top 15 he'd probably be top 4 all time in yards from scrimmage. Frank Gore is 4th all time. He has 3,611 more scrimmage yards than Tiki.

It makes me sad that he gets bad mouthed by so many fans. His numbers are just ridiculous, but he was also a very very nice person to the fans. I've met him a bunch and he's always been extremely friendly. Probably top 5 nicest NFL players I've ever met and I've met thousands.


Rick. He gets bad mouthed for being a liar and his personal conduct after he left football. He purposefully crapped on Eli to promote his career. Just move one and stop lying about his comments. Eli looked comical to him. My guess is he always thinks he’s the smartest coolest dude in the room. I don’t hate the guy and do think if he hadn't retired and had two more good to great years he might be in the HOF.

But he’s literally brought this on himself. And maybe people should let it go but he’s lying his ass off about what he meant. So again. YOu can feel how u want but why can’t others feel his disingenuous and maybe not is h a great guy. Has nothing to do w his talent or on field accomplishments. You want a public life after football try not to be a dick. Not hard for most guys.
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