[[ Note: I didn't have time to read this thread yet. I had these thoughts while watching the press conference and the comments at the top of the thread let me know this is a decent place to drop this. I guess when I talk about "organization" here, I am tossing some fans under that bus, too. So it goes. ]]
I think it might actually be tougher - as a player - to walk away while on top -- say after winning or even getting close to a Super Bowl. Harder to let it go when it's that good. (Let's see what Brady and Brees eventually do.)
Yes, okay, the game changed around Eli during his career - and devalued some of his fundamental skills. But the lack of team success over the last half of his career absolutely should not be placed entirely, or I'd even say substantially, on him considering the level of talent the organization surrounded him with in those years.
This organization gets a bit of a break when Eli leaves the spotlight -- because of all the interesting changes happening between now and September and into the season. If they weren't in the middle of executing this level of change, that spotlight would be shining pretty harshly on what remains until something more positive than mere possibility shows up.
Have been just as embarrassing as the team over the past several seasons. These players aren’t robots... His comment was more than fair considering the reaction sent his way during this run of poor play.
I wasn't quite sure what he was suggesting. Being from Louisiana, and then playing at Old Miss, I'm quite certain the fan bases are considerably different than the northeast flavor. So maybe that was in the back of his mind.
The more noteworthy part to me was not mentioning McAdoo, Shurmur and even Gettleman. Players will usually avoid naming players because "there are too many", but the head coaches almost always get singled out.
The biggest omission (and I don't think it was by mistake) was zero mention of Reese. Mara didn't even give recognition to him but rather credited Ernie with building the Championship teams. Reese was to blame for the malfeasance of roster construction that has led to the recent stain of losing of the Giants.
Broken record alert...chris Mara was by his side for the entire downfall.
You know who else was by his side (at least during the destruction of the roster)? Ross. At least Ross has gotten interviews since even if it was to only satisfy the Rooney Rule. Reese isn't even qualified or considered for a sham Rooney Rule interview. The guy won't work in the NFL again.
and his hire Ross ruined ELI's career. When he could not give ELI a decent OL in his prime. Those two should have been fired 4-5 years before they were. Not working yet are they? No balls Mara.
He did not use cliches or speak in platitudes. I believed he stated things as to reveal his true feelings and thoughts.
I ve no doubt Eli was tuned in to the often times unfair amount of blame that seemed to fall upon him as quarterback. He gets it, but he wasn’t just going to ignore his feelings on that topic in his retirement comments.
Act brutally towards the players. I think it's ridiculous that fans feel they are actually owed something from any player. Fans typically treat players as objects to be treated as they wish. Brutal human behavior of which I have participated in regrettably before.
He said "its finally nice to get cheered in Giants Stadium" after Super Bowl 42. Meaning he's just acknowledging he was once booed for poor play and now we like him because he's a winner.
Fine with me. I'm not a fan of cheering people on for efforts. If you suck, you suck and you'll hear it.
He said "its finally nice to get cheered in Giants Stadium" after Super Bowl 42. Meaning he's just acknowledging he was once booed for poor play and now we like him because he's a winner.
Fine with me. I'm not a fan of cheering people on for efforts. If you suck, you suck and you'll hear it.
+1. You can't expect to be cheered when fans are paying big bucks to go to games and whatnot and the team is playing like shit, especially for years on end. That's how it goes.
RE: I thought it was nice, as if he heard it from the fans Â
He said "its finally nice to get cheered in Giants Stadium" after Super Bowl 42. Meaning he's just acknowledging he was once booed for poor play and now we like him because he's a winner.
Fine with me. I'm not a fan of cheering people on for efforts. If you suck, you suck and you'll hear it.
I think it matters the context of the criticism. A player not playing well shouldn't allow fans to say awful things, at least to me.
[[ Note: I didn't have time to read this thread yet. I had these thoughts while watching the press conference and the comments at the top of the thread let me know this is a decent place to drop this. I guess when I talk about "organization" here, I am tossing some fans under that bus, too. So it goes. ]]
I think it might actually be tougher - as a player - to walk away while on top -- say after winning or even getting close to a Super Bowl. Harder to let it go when it's that good. (Let's see what Brady and Brees eventually do.)
Yes, okay, the game changed around Eli during his career - and devalued some of his fundamental skills. But the lack of team success over the last half of his career absolutely should not be placed entirely, or I'd even say substantially, on him considering the level of talent the organization surrounded him with in those years.
This organization gets a bit of a break when Eli leaves the spotlight -- because of all the interesting changes happening between now and September and into the season. If they weren't in the middle of executing this level of change, that spotlight would be shining pretty harshly on what remains until something more positive than mere possibility shows up.
Hmm, there’s a thread with fans sharing their Eli stories that pretty much makes this sound ridiculous
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I wasn't quite sure what he was suggesting. Being from Louisiana, and then playing at Old Miss, I'm quite certain the fan bases are considerably different than the northeast flavor. So maybe that was in the back of his mind.
The more noteworthy part to me was not mentioning McAdoo, Shurmur and even Gettleman. Players will usually avoid naming players because "there are too many", but the head coaches almost always get singled out.
The biggest omission (and I don't think it was by mistake) was zero mention of Reese. Mara didn't even give recognition to him but rather credited Ernie with building the Championship teams. Reese was to blame for the malfeasance of roster construction that has led to the recent stain of losing of the Giants.
Broken record alert...chris Mara was by his side for the entire downfall.
You know who else was by his side (at least during the destruction of the roster)? Ross. At least Ross has gotten interviews since even if it was to only satisfy the Rooney Rule. Reese isn't even qualified or considered for a sham Rooney Rule interview. The guy won't work in the NFL again.
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What's better than love? - ( New Window )
What is love? Baby don't hurt me.
I ve no doubt Eli was tuned in to the often times unfair amount of blame that seemed to fall upon him as quarterback. He gets it, but he wasn’t just going to ignore his feelings on that topic in his retirement comments.
Eli was just being Eli, true to who he is.
It's actually kind of funny. Eli gets the last laugh.
This.
He said "its finally nice to get cheered in Giants Stadium" after Super Bowl 42. Meaning he's just acknowledging he was once booed for poor play and now we like him because he's a winner.
Fine with me. I'm not a fan of cheering people on for efforts. If you suck, you suck and you'll hear it.
He said "its finally nice to get cheered in Giants Stadium" after Super Bowl 42. Meaning he's just acknowledging he was once booed for poor play and now we like him because he's a winner.
Fine with me. I'm not a fan of cheering people on for efforts. If you suck, you suck and you'll hear it.
+1. You can't expect to be cheered when fans are paying big bucks to go to games and whatnot and the team is playing like shit, especially for years on end. That's how it goes.
He said "its finally nice to get cheered in Giants Stadium" after Super Bowl 42. Meaning he's just acknowledging he was once booed for poor play and now we like him because he's a winner.
Fine with me. I'm not a fan of cheering people on for efforts. If you suck, you suck and you'll hear it.
I think it matters the context of the criticism. A player not playing well shouldn't allow fans to say awful things, at least to me.