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Speaking of #10s....

lawguy9801 : 1/24/2020 2:43 pm
...why was Brad Van Pelt, a LB, #10? I don't believe NFL uniform rules ever allowed LBers to wear #s in the teens.
WTF?  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 2:45 pm : link
I thought this would be a Bo Derek thread.
From Wikipedia  
myquealer : 1/24/2020 2:51 pm : link
Van Pelt wore number 10 with the Giants, his college number, even though the NFL instituted a jersey numbering system for the 1973 season, which then limited linebackers entering the league to numbers 50 through 59. He was allowed to wear 10 because he was the backup kicker in his rookie year.[8] Van Pelt wore number 91 with the Raiders and wore number 50 with the Browns.
I looked this up a while ago  
Matt in SGS : 1/24/2020 2:57 pm : link
when the Giants gave Kevin Lewis #44 to play linebacker in 2005 after all the injuries and the Giants literally ran out of numbers.

The NFL changed the rules after 1973 that said what numbers a linebacker could wear (50-59 and 90-99). Van Pelt was grandfathered in to keep wearing #10 (the same reason why Jack Youngblood was wearing #85 as a DE for the Rams in the mid 1980s)

When Brian Bosworth came to the NFL after his career at Oklahoma, he wanted to wear his college number (44). But he was told no because that was for defensive backs. His response was "then I'm a monster defensive back then) . And he sued the NFL (and lost) and changed his number to 55. Hence the cover of his book and why he's wearing a 44 that says "Monster D.B."



The NFL changed the Boz rule in 2015 and allowed LBs to wear numbers in the 40s (and why Olgetree wore 47 this year).

Anyway, probably more than you ever wanted to know, but that's the reason why.
RE: WTF?  
Mad Mike : 1/24/2020 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14792610 Klaatu said:
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I thought this would be a Bo Derek thread.

That's what I was expecting too. I liked Brad Van Pelt and all, but that would've been better.
RE: From Wikipedia  
Matt in SGS : 1/24/2020 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14792623 myquealer said:
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Van Pelt wore number 10 with the Giants, his college number, even though the NFL instituted a jersey numbering system for the 1973 season, which then limited linebackers entering the league to numbers 50 through 59. He was allowed to wear 10 because he was the backup kicker in his rookie year.[8] Van Pelt wore number 91 with the Raiders and wore number 50 with the Browns.


The kicker thing was right, but I think after that, he was grandfathered in and why he was allowed to keep wearing #10. Once he was traded to the Raiders, he lost his grandfathered protection and had to switch out to #91.
Whatever the reason...  
x meadowlander : 1/24/2020 3:04 pm : link
...it suited him.

His is the only Giant jersey I own. I've had multiple occasions in the stadium where I got a "who the hell is Van Pelt?".
I remember standing in line to get his autograph  
Jints in Carolina : 1/24/2020 3:09 pm : link
at The Woodbridge mall (Bonds Men's Store) in I think 1977 or 1978. I remember him being super nice to me and my dad.
How about this  
Dirt1 : 1/24/2020 3:13 pm : link
10!!
Matt, per your point about Jack Youngblood...  
Greg from LI : 1/24/2020 3:22 pm : link
I wonder how Phil Tabor wore #80 for the Giants, then. He wasn't in the league until 1979.
RE: Matt, per your point about Jack Youngblood...  
Matt in SGS : 1/24/2020 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14792680 Greg from LI said:
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I wonder how Phil Tabor wore #80 for the Giants, then. He wasn't in the league until 1979.


You know what, that's a great question. Now I need to look into that one with him.
Ok, I'm going way down a rabbit hole  
Matt in SGS : 1/24/2020 4:00 pm : link
but from spot checking the rosters, the Giants didn't have a player wear a number in the 90s until when LB Kevin Wyatt wore #99 in 1980. Up until then the highest number given out was #89. So maybe for some reason the Giants did not give out any numbers from 90-99 and Tabor was given #80 and the NFL allowed it.
RE: Ok, I'm going way down a rabbit hole  
truebluelarry : 1/24/2020 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14792751 Matt in SGS said:
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but from spot checking the rosters, the Giants didn't have a player wear a number in the 90s until when LB Kevin Wyatt wore #99 in 1980. Up until then the highest number given out was #89. So maybe for some reason the Giants did not give out any numbers from 90-99 and Tabor was given #80 and the NFL allowed it.

LTs rookie preseason he wore #98, then made the switch to #56 for the regular season.
Van Pelt was drafted as and did play safety. He didn’t really blossom  
plato : 1/24/2020 5:17 pm : link
as a player until he was moved to OLB in the march to a 3/4 defense with danny lloyd and harry carson in the inside, Brian kelley also on OLB and inside before he was let go because he was reputed to be a party animal. then LT was drafted and the rest became history.

Parcells comment on switching to the 3/4 was you tried to get your best players on the field. this applied mostly to harry carson and danny lloyd. But then danny lloyd developed hodgkins disease and in spite of successful treatment becoming available I don’t think he ever played again.

He was another in a long line of promising giant players from Troy Archer to our sturdy and great rb Dan ? (I met him, i’m getting old) who developed serious injuries or illnesses over those dark years. Today is a time for giant memories.

Great stuff in here  
lawguy9801 : 1/24/2020 5:20 pm : link
thanks guys
RE: I looked this up a while ago  
NINEster : 1/24/2020 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14792633 Matt in SGS said:
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when the Giants gave Kevin Lewis #44 to play linebacker in 2005 after all the injuries and the Giants literally ran out of numbers.

The NFL changed the rules after 1973 that said what numbers a linebacker could wear (50-59 and 90-99). Van Pelt was grandfathered in to keep wearing #10 (the same reason why Jack Youngblood was wearing #85 as a DE for the Rams in the mid 1980s)

When Brian Bosworth came to the NFL after his career at Oklahoma, he wanted to wear his college number (44). But he was told no because that was for defensive backs. His response was "then I'm a monster defensive back then) . And he sued the NFL (and lost) and changed his number to 55. Hence the cover of his book and why he's wearing a 44 that says "Monster D.B."



The NFL changed the Boz rule in 2015 and allowed LBs to wear numbers in the 40s (and why Olgetree wore 47 this year).

Anyway, probably more than you ever wanted to know, but that's the reason why.


Wow very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Fred Warner wore 48 last season before switching to 54 this year. Felt odd seeing that #.....those who know the game just instinctively know all the correct #s for players.
RE: Van Pelt was drafted as and did play safety. He didn’t really blossom  
fireitup77 : 1/24/2020 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14792853 plato said:
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as a player until he was moved to OLB in the march to a 3/4 defense with danny lloyd and harry carson in the inside, Brian kelley also on OLB and inside before he was let go because he was reputed to be a party animal. then LT was drafted and the rest became history.


This is not accurate. Brian Kelly played inside with Carson with Van Pelt and LT on the outside. Kelly and VanPelt were best friends. When Van Pelt was traded Kelly asked to be traded to the Chargers to be closer to his family.

Parcells comment on switching to the 3/4 was you tried to get your best players on the field. this applied mostly to harry carson and danny lloyd. But then danny lloyd developed hodgkins disease and in spite of successful treatment becoming available I don’t think he ever played again.

He was another in a long line of promising giant players from Troy Archer to our sturdy and great rb Dan ? (I met him, i’m getting old) who developed serious injuries or illnesses over those dark years. Today is a time for giant memories.
Sorry  
fireitup77 : 1/24/2020 10:07 pm : link
My comment got inserted into the middle.


This is not accurate. Brian Kelly played inside with Carson with Van Pelt and LT on the outside. Kelly and VanPelt were best friends. When Van Pelt was traded Kelly asked to be traded to the Chargers to be closer to his family.
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