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TO jump ahead of Miami.
Second Washington won't trade down to the 5th position and give up a chance to draft Young and go with an OL with the 5th pick. None of the OLs are worthy of the 5 pick. They all have some warts and from a value perspective are more inclined to be grabbed with the 8th pick or thereafter.
If anyone is inclined to trade down it would be Detroit. If they do then the Giants may still have an opportunity to trade down a slot or 2 and still get a quality player like Simmons.
Burrow is pretty much a lock to the Bengals in my view.
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knows they have a QB.
TO jump ahead of Miami.
Then why wouldn't they just jump to Detroit.
Exactly.
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In comment 14792739 Victor in CT said:
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knows they have a QB.
TO jump ahead of Miami.
Then why wouldn't they just jump to Detroit.
In theory it would cost less to jump to 4 then it would to 3. Maybe that's nitpicking at that point, but it should be a lower cost.
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and he is able to throw at his pro day. If Tua is still iffy, I wouldn't be surprised to see Miami offer the moon to Cinci for Burrow. Most make the assumption that the Bengals will take Burrow and it is a safe assumption. But don't discount an offer that they can't refuse. Cinci could still drop back to 5 and take Miami's haul and then still trade up to take QB#2
Burrow is pretty much a lock to the Bengals in my view.
I think it is a safe assumption as mentioned above, but what if Miami offers the 3 first round picks and their 2nd? Not enough? Keep in mind that any "Moon Offer" is contingent on Tua not being healthy/not being able to throw. Ross isn't getting any younger and is desperate to get his guy.
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knows they have a QB.
TO jump ahead of Miami.
Then why wouldn't they just jump to Detroit.
Omg..some of you refuse to believe anything positive can happen.
Trading to 3 would be more expensive.
The real question is if the Lions want a QB. Wouldn't surprise me.
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In comment 14792746 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 14792739 Victor in CT said:
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knows they have a QB.
TO jump ahead of Miami.
Then why wouldn't they just jump to Detroit.
Omg..some of you refuse to believe anything positive can happen.
Trading to 3 would be more expensive.
The real question is if the Lions want a QB. Wouldn't surprise me.
I've mentioned it earlier this past week that Detroit is the true wildcard for the 2nd QB off the board. While they still have Stafford for this coming season, they can easily get out of the contract next year with a $13M dead cap hit. They would be wise to invest in their future without expending considerable draft capital. If Stafford stays healthy this year, they most certainly aren't picking at the top of the draft again.
I could see Okudah being there #4 for the Giants pick.
Lying season
Or even Washington, if they get an offer too good to refuse they will simply pass on Young who will then go to DET.
It would not be enough for Dolphins to move from 5 to 3 . They would have to throw in their other 2nd rounder or give no 2nds and their middle first round pick instead. Jets paid 3 2nd rd picks to move from 6 to 3 to get Darnold w/ Indy in 2018. I think thats about what we can expect
No way Giants are taking a QB, but who knows about Detroit. Stafford isn't real old for a QB, but he did just miss half the season with fractures in his spine. I don't know for sure, but that might speed up his retirement clock.
Then why wouldn't they just jump to Detroit.
Detroit might not accept a specific trade proposal.
Or a team might want to pay a lower price for the #4 than the #3.
Or multiple teams may be interested in trading up.
I've just got a sneaky feeling Detroit ends up taking a QB. If that happens all bets are off, if we're in a situation regardless of how it happens where Burrows and Herbert/Tua are off the board by four (whether Detroit takes one or trades with Miami) one of the the other QB needy teams are going to be desperate to get the pick of who is left.
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I agree that a trade down is always a possibility but it really just doesn't look all that likely at this point. If Tua is healthy he'll be off the board by #4 and expecting anyone to trade up for Herbert is simply dreaming in technicolor, at least at this time. Herbert did have a decent Senior Bowl week, but the buzz we are hearing coming from Mobile is that more and more teams are actually looking at Jordan Love as their #3 QB. He's been described as having Mahomes-like physical skills especially the arm strength (I actually thing Josh Allen is the better comp), although he had a really miserable season in 2019. Like Herbert Love had a good week in Mobile but what we are hearing is that what they did at the Senior Bowl likely cemented their first round grade, but nobody is talking about them at potential top 5 candidates, again at least at this time. It also appears that NFL teams have gotten a little more cautious about trading up for a QB in the past couple of years particularly where there are questions or warts. For example, nobody traded into the top 5 to get Allen or Rosen of Daniel Jones or Haskins in the past couple of years.
Miami could chance sitting at 5 and still get Tua.
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I agree that a trade down is always a possibility but it really just doesn't look all that likely at this point. If Tua is healthy he'll be off the board by #4 and expecting anyone to trade up for Herbert is simply dreaming in technicolor, at least at this time. Herbert did have a decent Senior Bowl week, but the buzz we are hearing coming from Mobile is that more and more teams are actually looking at Jordan Love as their #3 QB. He's been described as having Mahomes-like physical skills especially the arm strength (I actually thing Josh Allen is the better comp), although he had a really miserable season in 2019. Like Herbert Love had a good week in Mobile but what we are hearing is that what they did at the Senior Bowl likely cemented their first round grade, but nobody is talking about them at potential top 5 candidates, again at least at this time. It also appears that NFL teams have gotten a little more cautious about trading up for a QB in the past couple of years particularly where there are questions or warts. For example, nobody traded into the top 5 to get Allen or Rosen of Daniel Jones or Haskins in the past couple of years.
If just Tua and Burrow go before 4 for the QBs, we get the best non QB not named Young on the Board. My guess it'll be one of Becton, Wills , Simmons or Okudah with the hope it's Mekhi.
As I said last year with Josh Allen don't be so sure that he's definitely going 2nd overall. Everybody thought Josh Allen was going to be gone by 3. He went 7th.
If Miami moves up to 2 and takes Tua. That'll put a lot of pressure on the Chargers or Panthers to move up and take Herbert/Love. I've been reading all week how well Herbert and Love have done at the Senior Bowl. We need a strong combine and Pro Day from at least one of them and we could possibly see QBs go 1, 2 & 3.
As I said last year with Josh Allen don't be so sure that he's definitely going 2nd overall. Everybody thought Josh Allen was going to be gone by 3. He went 7th.
If Miami moves up to 2 and takes Tua. That'll put a lot of pressure on the Chargers or Panthers to move up and take Herbert/Love. I've been reading all week how well Herbert and Love have done at the Senior Bowl. We need a strong combine and Pro Day from at least one of them and we could possibly see QBs go 1, 2 & 3.
I don't see the Redskins passing on Chase Young with Ron Rivera as their head coach. He knows defense.
The Giants could have opportunities with several teams. Hopefully the chucklehead in the front office explores all avenues...
Burrows is going #1. Period. It's 95% the Redskins take Young. That leaves two options, Tua or Herbert. Both the Lions and Giants picks are at a premium.
#1 Burrow
#2 Tua
#3 Hebert
#4 Chase Young - that would be great.
Wash is not in the market for a QB arguably as much as NYG. The same can be said for Detroit to a lesser degree. So in theory Miami can wait until 5 to draft their guy.
Where it gets tricky is the teams behind Miami who are looking for a QB. We don’t know which teams are willing to give up a bunch to lock in Tua. We don’t know which teams are willing to give up picks to lock in a QB after Tua. The threat of a trade down by the teams who don’t need a QB is very real given how the draft order is set. The dynamic would be different if the QB hungry teams were picking in the late teens early 20s.
What the Giants do or who is available when they pick is contingent upon the QB market leading up to the draft. If Tua and another QB besides Burrows are highly coveted in the draft then it increases the likelihood that either Young is available at 4 or the Giants get some picks in a trade down. Otherwise, the Giants are probably stuck with what’s left after Burrow/Young/Tua.
The Giants only have to make the Giants believe they might trade back when the Giants are on the clock. The Dolphins can’t take that chance to not get their choice at QB and will have to trade up first, unless they can’t decide between Tua and Herbert. Personally I think Tua is damaged goods and will be an injury prone QB forever.
Precisely!!!
Because there are 3 qbs being highly touted as first tier qbs, it seems To me at least one of them should be available for them at 5 and I have a feeling they would rather not give up any draft pick, because like us, they need all the help they could get besides a qb.
So, in conclusion, the only way all 3 first tier qbs are gone before # 5 is because Both Detroit and giants traded back....I would be very surprised to see that happen because I think if Detroit trades back we then take the blue chip Ohio State CB, which would be Christmas coming early for us. I just can’t see Patricia passing on him.
I think the Redskins are gonna bail out of #2 to the Dolphins (Tua) and pick up a bunch of picks and probably draft the best tackle on the board at 5.
I think a QB hungry team picking 6-11 is going to get desperate and jump to 3 for Herbert, or the Lions may decide he is there guy.
This scenario is very much a long shot, but I think Miami is going to trigger some action.
I’d rather have Golden + Okudah rather than Chase Young and no Okudah and no Golden.
Because there are 3 qbs being highly touted as first tier qbs, it seems To me at least one of them should be available for them at 5 and I have a feeling they would rather not give up any draft pick, because like us, they need all the help they could get besides a qb.
So, in conclusion, the only way all 3 first tier qbs are gone before # 5 is because Both Detroit and giants traded back....I would be very surprised to see that happen because I think if Detroit trades back we then take the blue chip Ohio State CB, which would be Christmas coming early for us. I just can’t see Patricia passing on him.
I don't see how Detroit doesn't jump at the chance to get picks my moving down only 2 spots.
They don't need a QB. Unless you there is actual truth the rumor they are concerned about Stafford's long term health.
Either way a QB likely goes in the 3 spot. So the question is: is QB3 in his draft still a potential really highly ranked QB in another teams eyes? DJ didn't go until 6, Josh Allen 7, Haskins 15 , Lock 2nd round etc.
Are Love or Herbert going to make one team possibly in that 5-7 range move up?
Burrows is going #1. Period. It's 95% the Redskins take Young. That leaves two options, Tua or Herbert. Both the Lions and Giants picks are at a premium.
Lions pick almost definitely. Giants pick 50/50. I see merit in both your argument and Colin's. Still think it could go either way. Burrows and Tua's intnagibles/tangibles package is really really good. Love/Herbert not so much and will come down to beauty in the eye of the beholder. It could go either way for QB3 off the board.
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We don't need to worry about convincing anyone. They need to worry about other teams moving in front of them. There are three QB prospects potentially in the top 5 picks. There are 8 teams in the Top 14 picks that are in search of a long term solution at the position.
Burrows is going #1. Period. It's 95% the Redskins take Young. That leaves two options, Tua or Herbert. Both the Lions and Giants picks are at a premium.
Lions pick almost definitely. Giants pick 50/50. I see merit in both your argument and Colin's. Still think it could go either way. Burrows and Tua's intnagibles/tangibles package is really really good. Love/Herbert not so much and will come down to beauty in the eye of the beholder. It could go either way for QB3 off the board.
I’m not as convinced as you and Torrag are regarding the Lions trading down or taking a qb with their 3rd pick. Stanford is only 31 which means he has easily another 7 good years left before a decline takes place. I’ve not read anything that says this last injury can jeopardize his future.
Patricia knows his job is on the line THIS YEAR! He can’t use his first pick on a guy who will only hold a clipboard. He needs a BONAFIDE stud, particularly on defense. His name is OKUDAH. I would be shocked and ecstatic if he passes on him so that we could take him. If Sy is right and Simmons is a tweener, then Okudah is the man!
Washington might trade down...but more likely draft Chase....a special pass rusher.
Detroit would also have a hard passing on Okudah....a shutdown corner....
but who knows, neither are one player away.
I do not expect Chase, nor Okudah to be available....as I feel they are special.
So...definitely swap with Miami...get an extra 2nd....and still get Simmons.
Or do the unthinkable...and trade down again....as too QBs are in high demand.
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- Sincerely,
Josh Rosen
Boy he certainly is starting to look like a colossal bust. He was a #10 pick.
I feel bad for the guy, was given a raw deal in Arizona and not much of a shot this year in Miami.
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I agree that a trade down is always a possibility but it really just doesn't look all that likely at this point. If Tua is healthy he'll be off the board by #4 and expecting anyone to trade up for Herbert is simply dreaming in technicolor, at least at this time. Herbert did have a decent Senior Bowl week, but the buzz we are hearing coming from Mobile is that more and more teams are actually looking at Jordan Love as their #3 QB. He's been described as having Mahomes-like physical skills especially the arm strength (I actually thing Josh Allen is the better comp), although he had a really miserable season in 2019. Like Herbert Love had a good week in Mobile but what we are hearing is that what they did at the Senior Bowl likely cemented their first round grade, but nobody is talking about them at potential top 5 candidates, again at least at this time. It also appears that NFL teams have gotten a little more cautious about trading up for a QB in the past couple of years particularly where there are questions or warts. For example, nobody traded into the top 5 to get Allen or Rosen of Daniel Jones or Haskins in the past couple of years.
That last line seems like cherry picking data to suit a narrative. The Bills and Cardinals both traded up for Allen (#7) and Rosen (#10), respectively in 2018. They were the 3rd and 4th QBs off the board after the Jets had traded up from 6 to 3 to get Darnold. The Giants were convinced other teams would have traded up between 6 and 17 for Daniel Jones. To say that teams don't trade up into the top 5 for QBs anymore, two years after three teams traded into the top 10 for one, is a little facetious.
In 2018 the top 5: Browns and Jets picked QBs at 1 and 3, the Giants were in love with Barkley and the Colts were in love with Nelson, leaving only the Browns second pick as a possible spot to trade up.
In 2019 the Cardinals fell in love with Kyler but already held the #1 pick, the 49ers were always going to take Bosa, the Jets the same with Quinnen Williams, leaving the Raiders and the Bucs. No one expected Jones or Haskins to go top 5 so any interested party (thought) they could wait.
Moral of the story: it depends on the quality of a prospect that Tua, Herbert, Love, Eason, etc. are by late April and where people expect them to land. If Carolina or Las Vegas (ew) wants Herbert badly and think the Chargers will take him at 6, then they may trade up to get him. Remember, wasn't Herbert expected to be a top 5 pick last year ahead of Jones and Haskins had he entered the draft?