Comments from Dolphins GM about trading up

In comment 14792940 Big Rick in FL said:

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Chances it and only moves up a spot. Like the GM said they have a ton of ammo. If they want a QB they're probably going to have to move up to 2. The two teams right after them both need QBs and I don't think Miami could risk it. As I said last year with Josh Allen don't be so sure that he's definitely going 2nd overall. Everybody thought Josh Allen was going to be gone by 3. He went 7th. If Miami moves up to 2 and takes Tua. That'll put a lot of pressure on the Chargers or Panthers to move up and take Herbert/Love. I've been reading all week how well Herbert and Love have done at the Senior Bowl. We need a strong combine and Pro Day from at least one of them and we could possibly see QBs go 1, 2 & 3.

I don't see the Redskins passing on Chase Young with Ron Rivera as their head coach. He knows defense.

Lots still to play out as teams start their analyses on the players.

The Giants could have opportunities with several teams. Hopefully the chucklehead in the front office explores all avenues...

We don't need to worry about convincing anyone. They need to worry about other teams moving in front of them. There are three QB prospects potentially in the top 5 picks. There are 8 teams in the Top 14 picks that are in search of a long term solution at the position.

Burrows is going #1. Period. It's 95% the Redskins take Young. That leaves two options, Tua or Herbert. Both the Lions and Giants picks are at a premium.

And are saying that to get others to jump up so they get a shot at a top player? It seems odd they are throwing that out there. The Giants and Skins are the only teams not taking a QB for sure so maybe Miami is trying to throw up smoke screens to force QBs early.

I think he goes #2. I don't think Cincy will risk it on him. If Tua was never hurt he is the #1 pick for sure despite Burrow's great year.
#1 Burrow
#2 Tua
#3 Hebert
#4 Chase Young - that would be great.

And there’s no clearly logical, obvious trade up path for a QB for the teams who want a QB.

Wash is not in the market for a QB arguably as much as NYG. The same can be said for Detroit to a lesser degree. So in theory Miami can wait until 5 to draft their guy.

Where it gets tricky is the teams behind Miami who are looking for a QB. We don’t know which teams are willing to give up a bunch to lock in Tua. We don’t know which teams are willing to give up picks to lock in a QB after Tua. The threat of a trade down by the teams who don’t need a QB is very real given how the draft order is set. The dynamic would be different if the QB hungry teams were picking in the late teens early 20s.

What the Giants do or who is available when they pick is contingent upon the QB market leading up to the draft. If Tua and another QB besides Burrows are highly coveted in the draft then it increases the likelihood that either Young is available at 4 or the Giants get some picks in a trade down. Otherwise, the Giants are probably stuck with what’s left after Burrow/Young/Tua.

In comment 14792700 Mike in St. Louis said:

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get another team interested in the #4 pick...otherwise Dolphins can just sit tight...plus Dolphins have to rate one of the remaining QBs at #4 much higher than the rest still on the board or, again, they could just sit tight...

The Giants only have to make the Giants believe they might trade back when the Giants are on the clock. The Dolphins can’t take that chance to not get their choice at QB and will have to trade up first, unless they can’t decide between Tua and Herbert. Personally I think Tua is damaged goods and will be an injury prone QB forever.

In comment 14792792 WalterSobchak said:

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then its a win for us. Because we either move one spot back with good compensation , or if its Detroit or Wash , then Okudah or Young (probably Okudah) falls to us. Win either way !

Precisely!!!

Dolphins made a trade with us to take our position, but it seems to me in order for that to happen, they have to really want one particular qb very badly....and if that were the case, why wouldn’t they try to move up to #3 instead, to guarantee they get their man?

Because there are 3 qbs being highly touted as first tier qbs, it seems To me at least one of them should be available for them at 5 and I have a feeling they would rather not give up any draft pick, because like us, they need all the help they could get besides a qb.

So, in conclusion, the only way all 3 first tier qbs are gone before # 5 is because Both Detroit and giants traded back....I would be very surprised to see that happen because I think if Detroit trades back we then take the blue chip Ohio State CB, which would be Christmas coming early for us. I just can’t see Patricia passing on him.

In comment 14792694 Ben in Tampa said:

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Although still a long shot I think the Redskins are gonna bail out of #2 to the Dolphins (Tua) and pick up a bunch of picks and probably draft the best tackle on the board at 5. I think a QB hungry team picking 6-11 is going to get desperate and jump to 3 for Herbert, or the Lions may decide he is there guy. This scenario is very much a long shot, but I think Miami is going to trigger some action.

I’d rather have Golden + Okudah rather than Chase Young and no Okudah and no Golden.

In comment 14793371 5BowlsSoon said:

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Dolphins made a trade with us to take our position, but it seems to me in order for that to happen, they have to really want one particular qb very badly....and if that were the case, why wouldn’t they try to move up to #3 instead, to guarantee they get their man? Because there are 3 qbs being highly touted as first tier qbs, it seems To me at least one of them should be available for them at 5 and I have a feeling they would rather not give up any draft pick, because like us, they need all the help they could get besides a qb. So, in conclusion, the only way all 3 first tier qbs are gone before # 5 is because Both Detroit and giants traded back....I would be very surprised to see that happen because I think if Detroit trades back we then take the blue chip Ohio State CB, which would be Christmas coming early for us. I just can’t see Patricia passing on him.

I don't see how Detroit doesn't jump at the chance to get picks my moving down only 2 spots.

They don't need a QB. Unless you there is actual truth the rumor they are concerned about Stafford's long term health.

Either way a QB likely goes in the 3 spot. So the question is: is QB3 in his draft still a potential really highly ranked QB in another teams eyes? DJ didn't go until 6, Josh Allen 7, Haskins 15 , Lock 2nd round etc.

Are Love or Herbert going to make one team possibly in that 5-7 range move up?

In comment 14793002 Torrag said:

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We don't need to worry about convincing anyone. They need to worry about other teams moving in front of them. There are three QB prospects potentially in the top 5 picks. There are 8 teams in the Top 14 picks that are in search of a long term solution at the position. Burrows is going #1. Period. It's 95% the Redskins take Young. That leaves two options, Tua or Herbert. Both the Lions and Giants picks are at a premium.

Lions pick almost definitely. Giants pick 50/50. I see merit in both your argument and Colin's. Still think it could go either way. Burrows and Tua's intnagibles/tangibles package is really really good. Love/Herbert not so much and will come down to beauty in the eye of the beholder. It could go either way for QB3 off the board.

In comment 14793387 Pheonix Orion said:

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In comment 14793002 Torrag said: Quote: We don't need to worry about convincing anyone. They need to worry about other teams moving in front of them. There are three QB prospects potentially in the top 5 picks. There are 8 teams in the Top 14 picks that are in search of a long term solution at the position. Burrows is going #1. Period. It's 95% the Redskins take Young. That leaves two options, Tua or Herbert. Both the Lions and Giants picks are at a premium. Lions pick almost definitely. Giants pick 50/50. I see merit in both your argument and Colin's. Still think it could go either way. Burrows and Tua's intnagibles/tangibles package is really really good. Love/Herbert not so much and will come down to beauty in the eye of the beholder. It could go either way for QB3 off the board.

I’m not as convinced as you and Torrag are regarding the Lions trading down or taking a qb with their 3rd pick. Stanford is only 31 which means he has easily another 7 good years left before a decline takes place. I’ve not read anything that says this last injury can jeopardize his future.

Patricia knows his job is on the line THIS YEAR! He can’t use his first pick on a guy who will only hold a clipboard. He needs a BONAFIDE stud, particularly on defense. His name is OKUDAH. I would be shocked and ecstatic if he passes on him so that we could take him. If Sy is right and Simmons is a tweener, then Okudah is the man!

Burrow goes to Cinn.

Washington might trade down...but more likely draft Chase....a special pass rusher.

Detroit would also have a hard passing on Okudah....a shutdown corner....

but who knows, neither are one player away.

I do not expect Chase, nor Okudah to be available....as I feel they are special.

So...definitely swap with Miami...get an extra 2nd....and still get Simmons.

Or do the unthinkable...and trade down again....as too QBs are in high demand.

Then the race to two and three is on for burrow and tua leaving young to ya at 4. Long shot yes but they are the bungles and did coach Herbert all week

In comment 14792736 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 14792710 BlueLou'sBack said: Quote: - Sincerely, Josh Rosen Boy he certainly is starting to look like a colossal bust. He was a #10 pick.

I feel bad for the guy, was given a raw deal in Arizona and not much of a shot this year in Miami.

In comment 14792925 Klaatu said:

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As Colin from GBN noted in Sy's thread above: Quote: I agree that a trade down is always a possibility but it really just doesn't look all that likely at this point. If Tua is healthy he'll be off the board by #4 and expecting anyone to trade up for Herbert is simply dreaming in technicolor, at least at this time. Herbert did have a decent Senior Bowl week, but the buzz we are hearing coming from Mobile is that more and more teams are actually looking at Jordan Love as their #3 QB. He's been described as having Mahomes-like physical skills especially the arm strength (I actually thing Josh Allen is the better comp), although he had a really miserable season in 2019. Like Herbert Love had a good week in Mobile but what we are hearing is that what they did at the Senior Bowl likely cemented their first round grade, but nobody is talking about them at potential top 5 candidates, again at least at this time. It also appears that NFL teams have gotten a little more cautious about trading up for a QB in the past couple of years particularly where there are questions or warts. For example, nobody traded into the top 5 to get Allen or Rosen of Daniel Jones or Haskins in the past couple of years.

That last line seems like cherry picking data to suit a narrative. The Bills and Cardinals both traded up for Allen (#7) and Rosen (#10), respectively in 2018. They were the 3rd and 4th QBs off the board after the Jets had traded up from 6 to 3 to get Darnold. The Giants were convinced other teams would have traded up between 6 and 17 for Daniel Jones. To say that teams don't trade up into the top 5 for QBs anymore, two years after three teams traded into the top 10 for one, is a little facetious.

In 2018 the top 5: Browns and Jets picked QBs at 1 and 3, the Giants were in love with Barkley and the Colts were in love with Nelson, leaving only the Browns second pick as a possible spot to trade up.

In 2019 the Cardinals fell in love with Kyler but already held the #1 pick, the 49ers were always going to take Bosa, the Jets the same with Quinnen Williams, leaving the Raiders and the Bucs. No one expected Jones or Haskins to go top 5 so any interested party (thought) they could wait.

Moral of the story: it depends on the quality of a prospect that Tua, Herbert, Love, Eason, etc. are by late April and where people expect them to land. If Carolina or Las Vegas (ew) wants Herbert badly and think the Chargers will take him at 6, then they may trade up to get him. Remember, wasn't Herbert expected to be a top 5 pick last year ahead of Jones and Haskins had he entered the draft?