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Javon Kinlaw - Sleeper pick for #4?

armstead98 : 1/24/2020 4:45 pm
Colin mentioned him in Sy's draft thread and he's been getting some buzz lately. He dominated the senior bowl and was a force all year.

He's a force to be reckoned with at 6'6 310. Sort of a hybrid but can probably play DE on some rushing plays while moving inside on passing downs.

Some comps to Chris Jones of the Chiefs.

If he puts on a show at the combine I think he might be in play for the Giants, perhaps at 4 and especially if they trade back a few spots.

Anyone have their eye on Kinlaw?
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armstead98 : 1/24/2020 4:47 pm : link
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Never heard his name before  
arniefez : 1/24/2020 4:49 pm : link
But sign me up for guys that size who are athletes too. Those are winning players.
Oh Lord  
BobsYourUncle : 1/24/2020 4:49 pm : link
Not at #4...
What  
BleedBlue : 1/24/2020 4:51 pm : link
Is the obsession with adding ANOTHER DL. I know BPA but not when you have that much at DL and so little at LBer

To me it's LBer or OL
RE: What  
armstead98 : 1/24/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14792820 BleedBlue said:
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Is the obsession with adding ANOTHER DL. I know BPA but not when you have that much at DL and so little at LBer

To me it's LBer or OL


Why not? Giants arguably need a pass rush more than anything else.

LB isn't a premium position and OL might be a reach.
I watched the video  
arniefez : 1/24/2020 4:53 pm : link
Not at #4 I hope. Maybe round 2 but even then the Giants have several of this player. He is not a pass rusher.
That type of player is similar to LW  
JonC : 1/24/2020 5:04 pm : link
do you want to spend #4 overall on LW? Not me.
When do we stop...  
bw in dc : 1/24/2020 5:06 pm : link
talking about DTs as a priority? We already have one hundred of them.
RE: That type of player is similar to LW  
armstead98 : 1/24/2020 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14792831 JonC said:
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do you want to spend #4 overall on LW? Not me.


Not LW but Chris Jones, absolutely.
RE: That type of player is similar to LW  
2ndroundKO : 1/24/2020 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14792831 JonC said:
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do you want to spend #4 overall on LW? Not me.

I was thinking the exact same thing. That said, he comes significantly cheaper than Williams. If we don’t re-sign him, maybe we look at drafting that type of player, but not at #4.
at least LW  
JonC : 1/24/2020 5:10 pm : link
had top 5 pick pedigree from USC. Spending #4 overall on a 3-4 DE doesn't compute for me. There's a reason you see DG drafting them in the third round and later.
Pass  
ChicagoMarty : 1/24/2020 5:11 pm : link
we have plenty of interior dl.

We have so many needs and so few picks. Let's not waste another pick on a dl.

Okudah or trade down
RE: When do we stop...  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14792834 bw in dc said:
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talking about DTs as a priority? We already have one hundred of them.


How many do we have that are worth a damn?
RE: Pass  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14792842 ChicagoMarty said:
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we have plenty of interior dl.

We have so many needs and so few picks. Let's not waste another pick on a dl.

Okudah or trade down


What, like we don't have plenty of CB's, too?
RE: at least LW  
armstead98 : 1/24/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14792841 JonC said:
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had top 5 pick pedigree from USC. Spending #4 overall on a 3-4 DE doesn't compute for me. There's a reason you see DG drafting them in the third round and later.


What I'm getting at is he's already around #7 on most boards and probably going to rise based on his senior bowl performance.

I'm not saying the Giants should reach for him but it wouldn't totally shock me if he gets a better grade than all of the OTs and maybe Simmons too.
RE: at least LW  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14792841 JonC said:
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had top 5 pick pedigree from USC. Spending #4 overall on a 3-4 DE doesn't compute for me. There's a reason you see DG drafting them in the third round and later.


B.J. Hill (3) and R.J. McIntosh (5), yes.

Dexter Lawrence (1), no.
Senior Bowl  
XBRONX : 1/24/2020 5:32 pm : link
performance? Did I miss the game? When was it?
RE: RE: When do we stop...  
bw in dc : 1/24/2020 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14792847 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14792834 bw in dc said:


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talking about DTs as a priority? We already have one hundred of them.



How many do we have that are worth a damn?


3.

Quality DTs are one of the more easy positions to find. Not quite RB and WR, but next in line.

We have bigger, greater needs - as you know.
RE: RE: RE: When do we stop...  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14792874 bw in dc said:
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talking about DTs as a priority? We already have one hundred of them.



How many do we have that are worth a damn?



3.

Quality DTs are one of the more easy positions to find. Not quite RB and WR, but next in line.

We have bigger, greater needs - as you know.


Three? I never knew you to be so effusive with your praise, or to overvalue our own players.

I'd say we have one quality DT. The rest are eminently average.
We have a quantity of cb's  
ChicagoMarty : 1/24/2020 6:13 pm : link
but no apparent quality.

We lost our best cb Jackrabbitt and need to replace him.

Okudah will at some point be a shutdown corner imo

Hard to pass on one of those
When they're able to roll out more 3 man fronts  
JonC : 1/24/2020 6:18 pm : link
Dexter will be featured at NT, that's probably his best position.
RE: When they're able to roll out more 3 man fronts  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14792917 JonC said:
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Dexter will be featured at NT, that's probably his best position.


I agree, but as Colin noted in Sy's thread (when discussing Simmons), "To defend against the 3-receiver set you have to play 5 DBs which means you are going to be playing a 4-2 upfront..." Just more food for thought.

For the record, Colin did not advocate drafting Kinlaw at #4. What he said was that if Kinlaw runs well he could move up into the 7-10 range.
RE: Senior Bowl  
Big Rick in FL : 1/24/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14792873 XBRONX said:
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performance? Did I miss the game? When was it?


The game is tomorrow. He's talking about the practices. Which are more important to the NFL personnel people than the game is. A lot of the personnel people don't even stay for the game.

Kinlaw is an absolute monster. I think he's going to go a lot higher than he's currently being projected by most draft sites. I think top 10, but no I don't think the Giants should draft him. I don't think he'll be the highest rated player on the board and I also think we are pretty set at his position.

As of right now my money is still on Isaiah Simmons. A lot can change between now and the draft.
RE: RE: RE: RE: When do we stop...  
bw in dc : 1/24/2020 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14792882 Klaatu said:
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Three? I never knew you to be so effusive with your praise, or to overvalue our own players.

I'd say we have one quality DT. The rest are eminently average.


Yes, any of these four - Lawrence, Hill, Tomlinson, and LW. All can play inside. It's arguably the strongest position we have on this defense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: When do we stop...  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14792962 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14792882 Klaatu said:


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Three? I never knew you to be so effusive with your praise, or to overvalue our own players.

I'd say we have one quality DT. The rest are eminently average.



Yes, any of these four - Lawrence, Hill, Tomlinson, and LW. All can play inside. It's arguably the strongest position we have on this defense.


Which still isn't saying much, considering how abysmal our LB's and DB's are.
you want more interior guys...  
mphbullet36 : 1/24/2020 7:18 pm : link
good lord...he might be good but we are good on the interior especially when we compound the LW trade mistake with signing him but whatever, no use in crying over spilled milk.

Playmaking linebackers or edge rusher. That is what we need to be focusing on.
RE: you want more interior guys...  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14792983 mphbullet36 said:
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good lord...he might be good but we are good on the interior especially when we compound the LW trade mistake with signing him but whatever, no use in crying over spilled milk.

Playmaking linebackers or edge rusher. That is what we need to be focusing on.


I don't see anything wrong with adding more strength to a current strength, like the Giants did when they drafted Tuck in 2005, Kiwanuka in 2006, or JPP in 2010.
Last year  
XBRONX : 1/24/2020 8:21 pm : link
Renell Wren wowed people. What did he do this year?
RE: Last year  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14793081 XBRONX said:
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Renell Wren wowed people. What did he do this year?


He wowed them so much that he fell to the bottom half of the 4th round (#125 overall). Then he got hurt after appearing in 11 games (2 starts). What's your point?
If the Giants were to commit more premium resources...  
Torrag : 1/24/2020 8:44 pm : link
to the DL the guy better be Reggie Freakin White. Right now we have 1st, 2nd and 3rd Round picks invested in a 3 man front If we re-sign LW we'll have two 1st rounders one of whom we also traded a 3rd and a 4th to get.

IF we don't re-sign Williams I guess anything is possible.
Practices don't mean shit -practice last year  
XBRONX : 1/24/2020 8:50 pm : link
Wren had already caught the attention of many with his measurements this morning, but the showing on the field was second to none. Wren’s notorious for his initial burst and extension of the arms to bully blockers to the quarterback’s lap. But the former Arizona State product demonstrated pass-rush moves that I hadn’t seen this season. He used the club and chop move to counter and it was too much for Texas A&M OC Erik McCoy and North Carolina State’s Garrett Bradbury on a single rep.
RE: If the Giants were to commit more premium resources...  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14793118 Torrag said:
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to the DL the guy better be Reggie Freakin White. Right now we have 1st, 2nd and 3rd Round picks invested in a 3 man front If we re-sign LW we'll have two 1st rounders one of whom we also traded a 3rd and a 4th to get.

IF we don't re-sign Williams I guess anything is possible.


Hey, I can't help it if our GM made a stupid trade.
RE: Practices don't mean shit -practice last year  
Klaatu : 1/24/2020 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14793125 XBRONX said:
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Wren had already caught the attention of many with his measurements this morning, but the showing on the field was second to none. Wren’s notorious for his initial burst and extension of the arms to bully blockers to the quarterback’s lap. But the former Arizona State product demonstrated pass-rush moves that I hadn’t seen this season. He used the club and chop move to counter and it was too much for Texas A&M OC Erik McCoy and North Carolina State’s Garrett Bradbury on a single rep.


Who are you quoting? Is that from last year's Senior Bowl practices? It still doesn't mean squat. Wren was projected as a mid-round pick, and that's where he went (even a bit lower than most projections). Kinlaw is projected to go somewhere in the 1st round (and I'm not even arguing that the Giants should draft him, only that I wouldn't be opposed to them taking a D-Lineman early).
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