A way too early draft prediction.

Helped himself tremendously in the week of the Sr Bowl. Played well in the game too. = Great for the GIANTS.

IDEAL trade back a few slots to pick up draft capital for those who want Tua... DG never has traded back, so... its prob the Ohio State CB or Simmons.

The QB needs of the Chargers (6) or the Jags (9).

Could be a lot more to discuss after the NFL sees Tua post surgery.

Okudah, an OT, or a trade down. If the OTs don't make the grade and they're unable to trade down, my surprise pick is a WR.

In comment 14793659 YANKEE28 said:

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The QB needs of the Chargers (6) or the Jags (9). Could be a lot more to discuss after the NFL sees Tua post surgery.

For sure Tua post surgery is going to receive long hard looks from several clubs. Not long ago Tua looked like a young Brett Favre IMO.

BUT, how strong he is, how his med analysis goes, all too unpredictable now.

Which is partly why I think Herbert's stock climbs to QB 1B after Burrows' 1A.

In comment 14793662 JonC said:

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Okudah, an OT, or a trade down. If the OTs don't make the grade and they're unable to trade down, my surprise pick is a WR.

If my prediction is off and the Lions stay at 3 and DON'T take Herbert themselves, we will be in business for a trade down.

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In comment 14793659 YANKEE28 said:

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The QB needs of the Chargers (6) or the Jags (9). Could be a lot more to discuss after the NFL sees Tua post surgery.

I would think it really wouldn't take a lot to get the Giants to drop down 1 or 2 spots — but on principle, they'll demand an overpay. In this scenario they'd be sitting on a very valuable asset (the chance to draft a top QB prospect) they can't use. That screams "Deal!"

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Watching the Senior Bowl and the Mock Draft ticker had us drafting Becton!

Okudah. Sy said that the could be an island corner.

To me the cherry on the cake. Maybe 2021
But if we trade down with say raiders for 12 and 18
Plus a number 3 this yr and #1 next yr
I could definitely deal with jeudy or lamb at 12
Especially if we have some success in FA and fill 1-2 major holes
Ie. Er o, oline ,lb or safety

In comment 14793662 JonC said:

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Okudah, an OT, or a trade down. If the OTs don't make the grade and they're unable to trade down, my surprise pick is a WR.

Now that would really piss me off.

regardless of position, which is often how the draft is utilized. Don't think with your heart.

3 top QB Burrows, Tua and Herbert is ideal for us.

Burrow goes 1...Chase 2....Detroit in play for Trade down for #2 QB.....The Giants in a great spot to trade down for the #3 QB!


if QBs go 1,2, 3...then we get Chase!

leaving Young for us.

that the QBs go 1,2,3.

QBs and OTs seem to always rise.

going to happen until at after the combine. What if Okudah runs in the 4.3's, and Chase Young's numbers seem ordinary?

As will free agency. Lots of QB’s and pass rushers in free agency.

So I will go out on a major limb and say that if NYG do not get a top edge rusher in free agency, I can see K’Lavon Chaisson as a possibility at 4. He has huge upside. Nobody saw Clellin Ferrell being selected 4th overall by The Raiders last year. Chaisson is twitchier than Ferrell and has a non stop motor. He is my favorite player in the draft and I think his upside is huge.

He will shoot up draft board and DJ already has him going to the Jets at pick 11.

In comment 14793698 Rjanyg said:

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As will free agency. Lots of QB’s and pass rushers in free agency. So I will go out on a major limb and say that if NYG do not get a top edge rusher in free agency, I can see K’Lavon Chaisson as a possibility at 4. He has huge upside. Nobody saw Clellin Ferrell being selected 4th overall by The Raiders last year. Chaisson is twitchier than Ferrell and has a non stop motor. He is my favorite player in the draft and I think his upside is huge. He will shoot up draft board and DJ already has him going to the Jets at pick 11.

Ferrell had the height and weight for that position, I don't think it will add up taking him at 4. He may have upside, but that's a big chance to take.

There are already early reports that Tua is their guy. Could be smoke or guess work but it's out there. I agree they will trade up to #3 to pre-empt getting jumped.

I'm going on record early I think this is the year the Giants trade down. Herbert will be very desirable to several clubs and we'll be the ones taking offers.

In comment 14793659 YANKEE28 said:

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The QB needs of the Chargers (6) or the Jags (9). Could be a lot more to discuss after the NFL sees Tua post surgery.

And the Panthers and potentially Raiders along with Miami.

The trade market could be very strong depending on if these teams fall in love with a few QBs in the draft.

Quinn and Patricia came over from NE together 2 years ago. Several of the coaches who got hired when they did have already been fired (Wilks, Shurmur in particular) and I'm not sure Quinn gets another shot if Patricia doesn't work out.

This is probably their 1 chance to add a potential franchise QB and Stafford is turning 32 and coming off a serious back injury.

Also adds a little job security. If they don't take a QB and sell the "building for the future" vibe, they are going to be expected to start winning in year 3. And at that point their jobs are basically 1 Stafford injury away from gone. If they add a franchise QB it could buy them an extra year.

And we pass on him I will break my tv

Someone could get nervous that Detroit would trade back again from 5

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And we pass on him I will break my tv

If we trade down to #6 and get San Diego's #2...well....its possible Okudah could still be available IF there is a run on QB's.

I love the idea of a young secondary of Baker, Okudah, Peppers and Love with say Ballentine/Beal in the nickel and a veteran UFA playing dime safety. I mean, it is a passing league now so DB's are key.

of the OT's in the draft and don't underestimate the fact that Judge is filling his coaches with teachers more then system guys.

if it came down to Okudah vs Young due to tradeups in front of us for qb's?

I think the board would go crazy.

A premier pass rusher vs a premier shut down corner?

Y'all know where I stand...

Should be a fireable offense.

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This. In all honesty it's a pretty shitty year to have what is essentially a #2 or #3 non-qb pick. After Chase Young, Beckton looks like the guy most likely to be able to start Day 1 and go on to become an all-pro cornerstone guy for years to come with good positional value. I'd bet money he is our guy without a trade-down, and I don't see any team offering too much to get the 3rd best qb in a weak qb class.

In comment 14793687 JonC said:

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leaving Young for us.

My wet dream too. Of course as stated I'm not predicting anything about Tua till his medical recovery is more clear. But there's an outside chance that those 3 QBs are ultimately viewed as head and shoulders above any of the remaining QBs in this draft, and there could be a lot of pressure to move up to get them.

I just can't see the Redskins moving off Young at 2 with the defensive oriented Rivera as their new HC. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if Rivera made that a condition of his agreement to go to Washington, giving him a rock solid 4 man DL with Young added to Allen, Ioannidas, and Payne.

Will suck for another year

In comment 14793779 Reb8thVA said:

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Will suck for another year

Says who? We could pick up a very solid OT or C in round 2, and if by minor miracle an trade back option presented itself to us, both.

Burrow/Young/QB #3 is the most likely scenario.

Now we're sitting at #4 and the question is Okudah and watch the OL blow ass again or trade down and take an OT wherever we land then focus on defense/OC with our newly acquired and existing premium picks.

Free Agency comes first so our roster needs can change. If they don't this Draft seems obvious to me how it will fall and what we should do. We'll see.

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In comment 14793698 Rjanyg said: Quote: As will free agency. Lots of QB’s and pass rushers in free agency. So I will go out on a major limb and say that if NYG do not get a top edge rusher in free agency, I can see K’Lavon Chaisson as a possibility at 4. He has huge upside. Nobody saw Clellin Ferrell being selected 4th overall by The Raiders last year. Chaisson is twitchier than Ferrell and has a non stop motor. He is my favorite player in the draft and I think his upside is huge. He will shoot up draft board and DJ already has him going to the Jets at pick 11. Ferrell had the height and weight for that position, I don't think it will add up taking him at 4. He may have upside, but that's a big chance to take.

Ferrell is a 4-3 DE. Chaisson is a 3-4 OLB. If truly 6’4” 250 lbs that is 5 lbs lighter than Strahan played at the end of his career.

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regardless of position, which is often how the draft is utilized. Don't think with your heart.

This draft is insanely loaded at WR. I could live with Jeudy or Lamb but that would have to involve a trade down to 9 or lower and an absolute haul of picks. I agree with you that WR is a sneaky need (Tate is old, Shep is one concussion away from having to at least consider hanging up the cleats). But offensive line is not good and the defense is even worse.

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if it came down to Okudah vs Young due to tradeups in front of us for qb's?

If it came down to Okudah vs Young, the Giants would take Simmons. They love making us scratch our heads.

move until the Bengals are on the clock unless the Bengals don’t want a QB.

three quarterbacks go to the first three picks and the giants get Young?

Maybe?

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three quarterbacks go to the first three picks and the giants get Young? Maybe?

Maybe, but not likely in my opinion.

Highly doubtful. He's the #1 talent in this Draft. I've seen the position put forward that the Redskins DL is already 'good', but so was the 49ers before they drafted Bosa. What did do and what do they have with him? A dominating unit that is spearheading their path to a possible championship. You don't pass on an elite pass rusher when they are available unless you need a QB.

Gettleman writes down "Simmons no matter what" on a piece of paper and takes him at #4.

We aren't trading out of the spot.

In comment 14793683 JonC said:

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regardless of position, which is often how the draft is utilized. Don't think with your heart.

And I'm guessing you mean Jeudy, right? I think he could end up being one of the best WRs of this era.

Giants do need a legit #1 WR. It would depend on what we do in FA, having offensive weapons doesn't mean much if you don't have anyone to block (as we've seen plenty over the past like 8 years.

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Gettleman writes down "Simmons no matter what" on a piece of paper and takes him at #4. We aren't trading out of the spot.

I hope DG does not have sole authority to make these calls any longer. I hope the Maras meant what they said when they said things will be done differently. DG should not have that much power to be making all these free agent signings on his own. He has shown us he is often wrong...in fact has shown us more than enough that he could be wrong. Let Judge, scouts, and assistant coaches have a say before making a decision too. Make the decision unanimous....both Judge and DG and Mara/Tisch too say yes before making the call.

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Gettleman writes down "Simmons no matter what" on a piece of paper and takes him at #4. We aren't trading out of the spot.

DG does seem to have a habit of falling in love with particular players and convincing himself the Giants flat out "NEED" this guy or that guy. And I don't just mean at the very top of the draft. I'm not sure why he's like that. And it's not to say he doesn't fall in love with the right guy sometimes, it's just an observation about his style.

He seems to get these profound convictions each draft and goes into it feeling like he needs to do this or that without much room for adaptability based on what happens. Sometimes strong conviction is a good thing in life, sometimes it's a bad thing.

For instance trading up for Baker didn't make a ton of sense to me given that there was a lot of other CB talent of equal value still on the board at that point AND Baker had reported character concerns. He also didn't really fit Bettcher's scheme. It's like DG was thinking "we have all these picks and I planned to burn a few in a trade up at some point, and that didn't work out in trading up for Josh Allen (the EDGE), so instead I'll just trade up to the end of round 1." Like I wonder if he really just went into that draft not wanting to use every single pick because he specifically only wanted a limited number of guys to sign? Was there any chance we were coming out of that draft using every single pick we had? I don't think there was.

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In comment 14793824 AdamBrag said: Quote: Gettleman writes down "Simmons no matter what" on a piece of paper and takes him at #4. We aren't trading out of the spot. DG does seem to have a habit of falling in love with particular players and convincing himself the Giants flat out "NEED" this guy or that guy. And I don't just mean at the very top of the draft. I'm not sure why he's like that. And it's not to say he doesn't fall in love with the right guy sometimes, it's just an observation about his style. He seems to get these profound convictions each draft and goes into it feeling like he needs to do this or that without much room for adaptability based on what happens. Sometimes strong conviction is a good thing in life, sometimes it's a bad thing. For instance trading up for Baker didn't make a ton of sense to me given that there was a lot of other CB talent of equal value still on the board at that point AND Baker had reported character concerns. He also didn't really fit Bettcher's scheme. It's like DG was thinking "we have all these picks and I planned to burn a few in a trade up at some point, and that didn't work out in trading up for Josh Allen (the EDGE), so instead I'll just trade up to the end of round 1." Like I wonder if he really just went into that draft not wanting to use every single pick because he specifically only wanted a limited number of guys to sign? Was there any chance we were coming out of that draft using every single pick we had? I don't think there was.

Seriously? How do you even cook this idea up, about DG "wanting to burn some draft picks!"

That's as whacky a theory as anyone has ever proposed here. Yes he "fell in love" with Baker and clearly Baker had great tape and an outstanding two year record defending the best WRs in the country in the SEC.

There's nothing more to it. HE DIDNT THINK THE OTHER TOO RANKED CBS WERE BAKER'S EQUAL. Hindsight may show DG wrong about Baker, although we have seen some elite traits in terms of his loose hips and ability to mirror. Certainly he did plenty wrong last year and seemed lost at times in the execution of certain schemes. But DG did not think the other top CBs like the kid from Washington were Baker's equal.

Don't make a conspiracy theory out of a (potential) error in judgement.

return to the topic - my prediction that Herbert is going to fly up the boards (if not Tua) and 2 QBs will be plucked among the top 3 picks, I'd like to point out something I found extremely interesting and informative during the senior bowl broadcast.

One of the announcers noted that Herbert's outstanding speed and quickness afoot - on display more than once during the game - was partly a result of Herbert slimming down to IIRC 227# at the SR bowl weigh in, down from a top weight of 245# during his tenure in Eugene.

To my ears that dedication to lose weight indicates a very positive trait in Herbert that many teams in the market for a QB will find attractive.

In comment 14793683 JonC said:

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regardless of position, which is often how the draft is utilized. Don't think with your heart.

It would be the worst possible use of resources based on what we think today. There are several WRs who are at the top of the draft and really good depth at the next tier. If you want a WR the best use of resources is to trade down since you can probably get one of the top 4 in the mid teens, and be on your way.

when we can't block anyone on offense or stop anyone on defense is criminal. If it happens I'll picket the stadium with signs calling for Gettelman's ouster.

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In comment 14793779 Reb8thVA said: Quote: Will suck for another year Says who? We could pick up a very solid OT or C in round 2, and if by minor miracle an trade back option presented itself to us, both.

Because we need a OT and a C at a minimum. And I’m assuming we sign one OT in FA. We don’t have our third rounder because of the LW trade and the third we may recoup is more like an early fourth. Run some draft scenarios and you will see how difficult it is to fill those needs. Same shit different year.

Has the highest upside. He can cover, run sideline to sideline and rush the passer.

I think the Giant's can get a good lineman in round two.

I would like a trade down a few spots and still get quality and another pick or two. This draft has a ton of wide outs and the lineman are solid.

If I was staying at #4, which I wouldn't do if I had a decent offer to move down, I'd probably pick him(with Young off the board). But to say he's the 'safest' isn't logical. I agree he has the highest upside(again except Young) but he's an unusual body type with a unique skillset. It will take some creative scheming to maximize his strengths(blitzing, covering and playing off the ball) and protect his weakness(taking on blocks).

from the effects of this injury and surgery, I wonder how the league takes his health into consideration.

I mean, all three of his major injuries that I recall (two ankle sprains for which he elected the TightRope surgeries on each ankle and the hip) were all contact injuries. So, it's not like he's had a recurring injury, like say back issues from a disc or something. Each of them can be explained away as bad luck on a contact play -- something that is going to happen in football.

But, it is three lower body injuries that ended in surgeries for a young man. Do these three unrelated injuries get him tagged as a health risk going forward? Do you think NFL front offices consider certain players to be injury prone if there are enough stints on the sideline -- even if they look unrelated on the surface? Or would they basically just say that Tua's had bad luck, been in the wrong place at the wrong time three different times and just assume his risk of being hit and hurt on a given play is just the same as anyone else's?

Really no idea on these counts, so figured that I would ask.

Oh wait, that was me that said that...

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leaving Young for us.

This COULD happen.

Simmons would be a great consolation prize.

As will teams that are looking to trade up ahead of Miami or if someone trades with Detroit (Chargers) and Miami panics.

I deal scenario is that some things like ER are taken care of in FA, Giants trade down a couple of picks with SD and STILL get their pick of Okudah, Lamb and an OT + an added high second.

In comment 14793824 AdamBrag said:

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Gettleman writes down "Simmons no matter what" on a piece of paper and takes him at #4. We aren't trading out of the spot.

So what part of a deity was he touched by?

has a higher upside and more raw talent then Simmons. That's why I think DG will fall for him.

Oh wait, that was me that said that...

From your keyboard to God's monitor, O my Prophet!

Could be waiting for next years class and continue to stockpile picks for this year and next. I like Herbert for the Phins but only if he falls to five upside is higher than any QB in this draft.