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Namath: Eli Manning has ‘done far more than I ever did’

Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2020 7:07 am
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“I was pretty good and did some things. Eli, I marveled at. He was remarkable,” Broadway Joe told The Post right around the time Manning announced his retirement Friday morning. “I wouldn’t compare myself to Eli. He’s done far more than I ever did on the field.”

Asked how he would have stacked up against the two-time Super Bowl MVP if he hadn’t racked up so many knee injuries, Namath didn’t hesitate to trumpet Eli’s 16-year resume: “If, if, if. It’s bulls–t. The games played. The durability. The playoffs. I remember early on he was getting some heat, he didn’t always smile much, but every player that’s ever played with Eli swears by his work ethic and his character.”

Namath also noted that if Eli and Peyton Manning’s dad Archie — who starred for the Saints, Oilers and Vikings — “ever had a team, he would have been the first Manning in the Hall of Fame. He never had a team.”


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Agree about Archie. He was one talented guy  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2020 7:10 am : link
and extremely mobile. But oh what a beating he took.
BB56  
dune69 : 1/26/2020 7:15 am : link
Archie may have taken the biggest beating of any QB in my days watching the NFL. David Carr might disagree though.
Nice comments by Namath  
Jimmy Googs : 1/26/2020 7:15 am : link
and he is right...
RE: BB56  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2020 7:23 am : link
In comment 14793894 dune69 said:
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Archie may have taken the biggest beating of any QB in my days watching the NFL. David Carr might disagree though.


Yeah, if you take the 2012 NFCC beating Eli took and multiply that as many times as you want, you might get a strong sense of what Archie went through.
Agree  
Bill2 : 1/26/2020 7:40 am : link
Archie would be first on my list of QBs who had to take a bad beating on terrible teams.

Those were very good quotes from Namath, who is in the Hall because you cant tell the story of the NFL without him. Ditto Eli.
Namath  
Allen in CNJ : 1/26/2020 7:45 am : link
always 100% class. He's a great guy and there's a reason why he's STILL an icon here in NY.
RE: Namath  
Chris in Philly : 1/26/2020 8:00 am : link
In comment 14793909 Allen in CNJ said:
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always 100% class. He's a great guy and there's a reason why he's STILL an icon here in NY.


Err, I wouldn’t exactly say 100% class with Joe. But these comments are very kind and thoughtful...
RE: Namath  
Darth Paul : 1/26/2020 8:26 am : link
In comment 14793909 Allen in CNJ said:
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always 100% class. He's a great guy and there's a reason why he's STILL an icon here in NY.


Suzy Kolber may not agree.
Perspective  
Rjanyg : 1/26/2020 8:26 am : link
Namath has it. His words are truth. Many former and current NFL QB’s would sign up for Eli’s career in a second.

He is HOF worthy.
I went to a falcons saints game years ago  
Giant John : 1/26/2020 8:40 am : link
When Archie was playing. He got beat up pretty bad. Never a doubt in my mind where Eli got his toughness from. Archie should be in the hall for the beatings he took. There is more ways to measure a QB’s ability then TD’s or team wins. Remember that when Eli’s turn comes around.
R  
Giant John : 1/26/2020 8:41 am : link
Many? I say most. Oh and yes he has earned more money than any other QB who has played. For that alone I think they would all jump on the bandwagon.
Neither of them belong in the HOF  
Soundtrack : 1/26/2020 8:56 am : link
We can't rewrite history to remove people that were already put in there, but just because one mediocre QB got put in doesn't mean that we should lower the standard of what a hall of fame player is. The HOF should be about elite players, the best of the best, not longevity stats.
I have always liked Namath  
steve in ky : 1/26/2020 9:02 am : link
Very nice and complimentary of him and its meaningful because of just how talented he was. As he pointed out injuries aren’t an excuse when it’s all said and done but prior to injuries he probably would be on my short list of having a qb in his prime for one game, he was that good.

Shows how much some experienced veterans appreciate how Eli played the game. He did things right, and was able to keep doing it for sixteen years. No easy task in the NFL
RE: Neither of them belong in the HOF  
Moondawg : 1/26/2020 9:16 am : link
In comment 14793964 Soundtrack said:
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We can't rewrite history to remove people that were already put in there, but just because one mediocre QB got put in doesn't mean that we should lower the standard of what a hall of fame player is. The HOF should be about elite players, the best of the best, not longevity stats.


January 2020. Transparent. Hi Troll!
RE: Neither of them belong in the HOF  
Klaatu : 1/26/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 14793964 Soundtrack said:
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We can't rewrite history to remove people that were already put in there, but just because one mediocre QB got put in doesn't mean that we should lower the standard of what a hall of fame player is. The HOF should be about elite players, the best of the best, not longevity stats.


It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Stat Compilation, and players can get in for a variety of reasons. Simply put, you can't tell the story of the NFL without Joe Namath and Eli Mannning, and that's why they both deserve to be there.

Now, go find a broken bottle, scratch your ass with, and toddle back to wherever you came from you troll piece of shit.
Klatuu,  
Moondawg : 1/26/2020 9:29 am : link
My sense of Troll etiquette is to point out thier trolldom and no more. Any more engagement feeds their sad need for attention. But that's just me. Hope you are well, brother.
RE: RE: Neither of them belong in the HOF  
Soundtrack : 1/26/2020 9:31 am : link
In comment 14793986 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14793964 Soundtrack said:


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We can't rewrite history to remove people that were already put in there, but just because one mediocre QB got put in doesn't mean that we should lower the standard of what a hall of fame player is. The HOF should be about elite players, the best of the best, not longevity stats.



It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Stat Compilation, and players can get in for a variety of reasons. Simply put, you can't tell the story of the NFL without Joe Namath and Eli Mannning, and that's why they both deserve to be there.

Now, go find a broken bottle, scratch your ass with, and toddle back to wherever you came from you troll piece of shit.


You can't tell it without David Tyree or Nick Foles either.

The patriots scored 17 and 14 points in those two super bowls. The Giants averaged 18 points in those two super bowls,the highest they had to score to win against the patriots was a whopping 21 points. Longevity stats and needing to score a paltry amount of points because of how great the defense was is not a hall of fame career.

Where are his regular season MVP trophies? Was he considered to be a top 5 QB in any year but 2011?

Any pro bowls where he DIDN'T get in as an alternate?

Come on. Take the big blue shades off,lets talk football.
RE: Neither of them belong in the HOF  
JohnF : 1/26/2020 9:35 am : link
I saw Archie coming out of college. He was the best QB prospect I ever saw...he would totally dominate today's game. Mobile, laser arm, great field general. Sadly, the Saints were horrendous, and he got beat up. Put him on the Steelers of that time, and he'd have 8 SB rings.

And I saw Namath. Yeah, I know he had a short career, but anyone that thinks Namath didn't deserve to be in the HOF is blind AND stupid. Namath had one of the great releases of all time, better than Marino. Don't go by his stats, look at his games, if you can find them. Not that it matters to you, since you have an agenda.

Oh, and take your obsession to downgrade Eli and stuff it. He's going to the HOF (although I don't know if he's 1st time, he'll be there.)
Completely missing the point.  
Klaatu : 1/26/2020 9:43 am : link
(Which is odd, because it matches the one on your head). It's the totality of a player's career that should determine whether or not he's HOF-worthy, and as I said earlier, there are a variety of reasons why one might be so considered. The impact that Namath and Manning had on the game goes way beyond individual stats or accomplishments. You either can't or won't see that. Either way, fuck off and die.
RE: RE: Neither of them belong in the HOF  
bw in dc : 1/26/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14793993 JohnF said:
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And I saw Namath. Yeah, I know he had a short career, but anyone that thinks Namath didn't deserve to be in the HOF is blind AND stupid. Namath had one of the great releases of all time, better than Marino. Don't go by his stats, look at his games, if you can find them. Not that it matters to you, since you have an agenda.



Namath had great physical attributes. But his resume is, to be kind, very light. Just go look at it. A HoF career needs to have some statistical substance. Otherwise, we’re in beauty contest territory.

And, yes, the SB W was nice, but Namath wasn’t even the best player on the field that day. The MVP went to the wrong player. It should have been Matt Snell...by a mile.

Phil Simms had a better SB than Namath - almost better than any QB who played in a SB - and accomplished far more in his career.

And this cute little tag line by the HoF - “...you can’t tell the story of the NFL with person X...” - is just laughable because the HoF has violated that by keeping so many qualified candidates out.

RE: RE: RE: Neither of them belong in the HOF  
steve in ky : 1/26/2020 10:49 am : link
In comment 14794013 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14793993 JohnF said:


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And I saw Namath. Yeah, I know he had a short career, but anyone that thinks Namath didn't deserve to be in the HOF is blind AND stupid. Namath had one of the great releases of all time, better than Marino. Don't go by his stats, look at his games, if you can find them. Not that it matters to you, since you have an agenda.





Namath had great physical attributes. But his resume is, to be kind, very light. Just go look at it. A HoF career needs to have some statistical substance. Otherwise, we’re in beauty contest territory.

And, yes, the SB W was nice, but Namath wasn’t even the best player on the field that day. The MVP went to the wrong player. It should have been Matt Snell...by a mile.

Phil Simms had a better SB than Namath - almost better than any QB who played in a SB - and accomplished far more in his career.

And this cute little tag line by the HoF - “...you can’t tell the story of the NFL with person X...” - is just laughable because the HoF has violated that by keeping so many qualified candidates out.



The HOF mission is to "Honor the Heroes of the Game, Preserve Its History, Promote its Values & Celebrate Excellence Everywhere"

Sure it's largely stats driven but there is also the elements of a players accomplishments and those accomplishments and moments place in the leagues history. It's a combination of things that merit HOF honors.

And I’m guessing you were a little to young to have seen and able to truly appreciate Namath at his best and the reason for kind of missing John’s point. Ironically similar to how you took the opposite position when someone posted comparing Fouts stats to Eli’s. You saw Fouts and rightly understood what you saw and was able to form a solid opinion that may look different to someone just looking up his stats and never old enough to appreciate his actual playing career.
RE: Agree  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/26/2020 10:50 am : link
In comment 14793906 Bill2 said:
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Archie would be first on my list of QBs who had to take a bad beating on terrible teams.

Those were very good quotes from Namath, who is in the Hall because you cant tell the story of the NFL without him. Ditto Eli.


+1

Nice to see New Yorkers band together.

Even if they are both immigrants...

That's what NYC is all about, lest anyone forget.
Two trolls, one new one old  
Moondawg : 1/26/2020 11:57 am : link
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I watched  
PaulN : 1/26/2020 12:11 pm : link
Namath's career, he was an extremely exciting player to watch with a lightening release and great arm, saw him throw a 4th and 39 down and out for a first down on Monday Night football, watched the 49re comeback game Jets lost 28-24, he came in the game in 2nd half, led them downfield 3 straight possessions for td's, then with about 40 sec. to go with the Jets on about the 15 yard line threw an int, he got a standing ovation. You had to see him play to understand, plus the game was brutal back then, dirty and rough, nothing like todays game.
Namath and Eli  
PaulN : 1/26/2020 12:16 pm : link
Both belong in the hall of fame, more then Rivers ever would, he had great teams he never brought home, he and Romo do not belong. This is the NFL not MLB.
RE: Agree  
Rafflee : 1/26/2020 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14793906 Bill2 said:
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Archie would be first on my list of QBs who had to take a bad beating on terrible teams.

Those were very good quotes from Namath, who is in the Hall because you cant tell the story of the NFL without him. Ditto Eli.


Namath is a Far Bigger Piece of the NFL story based on his prominence in the NFL-AFL Merger. He was a Gigantic Talent, cut down by too many injuries...and born 20 years too early for more Modern Medicine. Joe's Stats are from an Earlier Era...his Impact was well beyond His Stats. He was THE MAN and THE FACE of that Merger Era, in the Years leading up to and including The Merger. HE WAS THE REASON...the Signal that the Time Had become undeniable..... similar to Dr. J and the NBA-ABA Merger.

RE: RE: Agree  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2020 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14794251 Rafflee said:
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In comment 14793906 Bill2 said:


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Archie would be first on my list of QBs who had to take a bad beating on terrible teams.

Those were very good quotes from Namath, who is in the Hall because you cant tell the story of the NFL without him. Ditto Eli.



Namath is a Far Bigger Piece of the NFL story based on his prominence in the NFL-AFL Merger. He was a Gigantic Talent, cut down by too many injuries...and born 20 years too early for more Modern Medicine. Joe's Stats are from an Earlier Era...his Impact was well beyond His Stats. He was THE MAN and THE FACE of that Merger Era, in the Years leading up to and including The Merger. HE WAS THE REASON...the Signal that the Time Had become undeniable..... similar to Dr. J and the NBA-ABA Merger.


Well stated and I agree. Pete Gogolak signing from the Bills also was somewhat a catalyst for the cooling of the NFL-AFL wars
RE: Agree about Archie. He was one talented guy  
AcidTest : 1/26/2020 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14793892 Big Blue '56 said:
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and extremely mobile. But oh what a beating he took.


+1. Namath is also correct.
John F  
rmc3981 : 1/27/2020 8:13 am : link
Dead on... +1
RE: RE: Neither of them belong in the HOF  
Ira : 1/27/2020 8:31 am : link
In comment 14793993 JohnF said:
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I saw Archie coming out of college. He was the best QB prospect I ever saw...he would totally dominate today's game. Mobile, laser arm, great field general. Sadly, the Saints were horrendous, and he got beat up. Put him on the Steelers of that time, and he'd have 8 SB rings.

And I saw Namath. Yeah, I know he had a short career, but anyone that thinks Namath didn't deserve to be in the HOF is blind AND stupid. Namath had one of the great releases of all time, better than Marino. Don't go by his stats, look at his games, if you can find them. Not that it matters to you, since you have an agenda.

Oh, and take your obsession to downgrade Eli and stuff it. He's going to the HOF (although I don't know if he's 1st time, he'll be there.)


I agree. Namath had a short period of greatness before his injuries made him a shadow of the player he was. But until then he was one of the top qb's ever. I appreciate his gracious comments re Eli.
Eli..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/27/2020 8:34 am : link
"I want to kiss you"!
Namath called every play in that super bowl  
djm : 1/27/2020 10:44 am : link
He deserves all the credit he receives for that season and then some.
cannot write the history of the NFL without either, like it or lump it  
Simms : 1/27/2020 10:52 am : link
He helped elevate the NFL into prime time. The defeat of the Colts helped the merger with impact victory. Especially since the NFC won with the first two SB's.

Thus the huge reason he is the HOF. You cannot write the history of the NFL without that victory.

The Colts where over confident, and did not stray from what helped them basically run though the league. Nor where they coached to adjust to the game plan as Joe basically call every single plan at the line.

Eli top 7 in QB stats, won two SB and MVP. Beat a 16-0 and 15-1 team.
He could have easily been 5th in passing yardage is he played this past season.

I respect those who do not feel he belongs. Its your opinion.
Maybe some of you have not lived from YA to Simms to Manning.
Or faced the valleys in-between.

It's okay, because we all look at it differently and it's cool to share comments.

I was glad how he was also a great teammate, a friend to various people in need, reached out to communities, and represented our team with honor, respect and Class.

The championship and 39 come from behind wins were great.
He never wavered and looked out for all.
We had a chance for a third SB, but while he played a good game the boat crew did not show up.
Without those great NFC Championships both the Pats and Packers could have added rings and both of those QB would touted differently too.

Yet, OUR OWN, toss a class act who only wanted to remain a Giant under the bus.
We all know Reese did not fix the OL, or for a while had no true talent, so skill player to make a difference as he was forced to try and squeeze in a ball after drops on second down. As we lead the league in drops, QB sacks, injuries, hits on QB, and last in running the ball, as our defense was settled within the lower rungs of the NFL.

Ironically our running game was not stellar during one our SB runs with Eli, but did get hot during a potion of the playoffs. In SB42 or lone INT was due to a WR not handling the pass. SB46 should have been a blow out in our favor, and we did place the ball on the carpet a few times.

Still we toss Eli under the bus. Granted he was far from perfect.
But he was our guy, who honored us.

Personally wish him well, glad he wore Giants blue.
AND hope he does enter the HOF.

For those Jet fans masking as a Giant fan, or other a#&hats who like to eat their young, if him getting in the HOF annoys you ... I hope it lingers.
RE: Namath called every play in that super bowl  
steve in ky : 1/27/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 14795212 djm said:
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He deserves all the credit he receives for that season and then some.


That’s what many younger fans don’t realize. Most of these older QB’s called their own plays as well. The were essentially a qb/oc for each game. That, the rule changes, and it was basically a different game than what we watch today. Looking up and comparing stats is basically meaningless
I was a big fan od Archie when he was at Ole Miss  
arniefez : 1/27/2020 11:14 am : link
and rooted for Peyton because of Archie and was thrilled when the Giants traded for Eli.

Archie was about 50 years ahead of time. Way more athletic than either of his sons. He would have been an unbelievably great RPO QB.

As far as Namath goes he's as polarizing now as he was then. If you were lucky enough to be a NY Sports fan in the late 60's you get it.

In 1967 Namath threw for 4007 yards in 14 games. 286 yards per game. Would be 4576 over 16 games.

HOF QBs Dawson threw for 2651 & Griese threw for 2005. Daryl Lamonica 3365 Jon Hadl 3228 were 2nd and 3rd in the league.

Most of you have no idea. You had to be there to see it. Namath when relatively healthy was as great as any QB that has ever played in the NFL.
Arniefez  
rmc3981 : 1/28/2020 8:10 am : link
+1
Namath must think that Eli  
Bill in UT : 1/28/2020 11:13 am : link
isn't getting all the benefits he deserves. Maybe he's got a number for him to call.
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