watched tape of him the last few days and my god, the man is an absolute monster. He was throwing Clemson defenders around like rag dolls. Having him leading the way for Barkley could make our offense downright deadly.
If we can trade down 1 spot with the Dolphins, pick up a pick and maybe swap 3rds, that would be my ideal scenario.
I know everyone loves Chase Young, but I might be tempted to take Becton before young if both are there.
I want me some Becton
Halapio healthy or not was terrible last year. Would rather see a vet in there like Thuney or McGovern . Would even prefer to try Gates there (who got reps last year at OC in practice) than Pio.
I like Becton, but he’s probably going to need some time to develop and I don’t think he’s worth a top 5 pick.
Thuney played alright but isn't much of a run blocker. Pats couldn't establish an inside running game to save their ass last year. Throw in a position switch and I'm not sold. Draft Ruiz in the second round and spend the free agent dollars on better players than him.
Thuney played alright but isn't much of a run blocker. Pats couldn't establish an inside running game to save their ass last year. Throw in a position switch and I'm not sold. Draft Ruiz in the second round and spend the free agent dollars on better players than him.
He's talking about the Broncos' Connor McGovern, who's also a Center.
I like Becton, but he’s probably going to need some time to develop and I don’t think he’s worth a top 5 pick.
Exactly. He is not worthy of the number 4 pick. Giants would be ridiculed picking him here when more than likely there are players available with higher value. He has upside but but needs development.
Thuney played alright but isn't much of a run blocker. Pats couldn't establish an inside running game to save their ass last year. Throw in a position switch and I'm not sold. Draft Ruiz in the second round and spend the free agent dollars on better players than him.
Too much youth on the OL if we add 2 rookies. And there is no vet LT that we can likely land without a surprise trade.
Like the OC crop in the draft but I'd prefer to go the vet route there. McGovern, Thuney, or even Gates there all offer more experience than a first year guy.
Look I really like Okudah. But an elite LT carries the same if not more value depending on system.
What we may want to run with Garrett /Jones/Barkley will need an even better OL potentially.
Secondly our secondary is very, very young already and we just spent a 1st rounder on a CB. I see the vet FA route for the other starting CB.
Summary - Mekhi Becton projects as a starting left tackle at the NFL level — and a damn good one. Becton has all the length and functional power in the world, pairing it with a rare blend of flexibility and size. Becton is a brawler in the run game and his pure size overwhelms many pass rushers off the edge. There are still some technique consistencies to still be ironed out but generally speaking the ceiling here is sky high and there's a foundation that should allow early production at LT.
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Summary - Mekhi Becton projects as a starting left tackle at the NFL level — and a damn good one. Becton has all the length and functional power in the world, pairing it with a rare blend of flexibility and size. Becton is a brawler in the run game and his pure size overwhelms many pass rushers off the edge. There are still some technique consistencies to still be ironed out but generally speaking the ceiling here is sky high and there's a foundation that should allow early production at LT.
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So they rate him as the 4th best. Becton needs to show at the Combine and team workouts they he can control his weight, meaning he better show up in top shape.
Bechton is far from a slam dunk. He's not a blue chip prospect for a reason.
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Summary - Mekhi Becton projects as a starting left tackle at the NFL level — and a damn good one. Becton has all the length and functional power in the world, pairing it with a rare blend of flexibility and size. Becton is a brawler in the run game and his pure size overwhelms many pass rushers off the edge. There are still some technique consistencies to still be ironed out but generally speaking the ceiling here is sky high and there's a foundation that should allow early production at LT.
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So they rate him as the 4th best. Becton needs to show at the Combine and team workouts they he can control his weight, meaning he better show up in top shape.
They rate him better than that and there are 3 main analysts that combine their takes at that site. They just recently updated their reports from prior to this years big improvement on tape.
McGovern isn't available, I addressed Thuney as a mediocre run blocker and not an OC and what has Gates done to warrant getting the inside track as starting OC?
> Simply not a fan of your 'plan' for the O-line. Reeks of disaster.
Bechton is far from a slam dunk. He's not a blue chip prospect for a reason.
New coaching this year and he's improved every year. You want a guy who you think WILL improve with continued coaching. Early indications are he isn't a Flowers who wasnt correctable or isn't likely to improve. That's the exciting part of this kid height,weight, arm length combination combined with fluidity of footwork at that size are off the charts. He also shows real intangible potential for continued improvement like Tyron Smith did (who was even more a project development wise than Becton).
McGovern isn't available, I addressed Thuney as a mediocre run blocker and not an OC and what has Gates done to warrant getting the inside track as starting OC?
> Simply not a fan of your 'plan' for the O-line. Reeks of disaster.
Both Gates and Thuney have had pro reps and conditioning. Both have also taken reps at the OC position at the pro level. Both are likely light years better than Pio and won't have as many growing pains and inconsistency like a rookie signal caller would. Not saying this is the ideal but likely better than either Pio or a rookie.
Also no idea where you are getting your McGovern info from but he is most definitely heading toward FA and not a lock to resign in Denver.
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What IS interesting is that there are TWO Conor McGoverns in the NFL and they both play interior OL. Ones a FA from Denver the other is signed on the Cowboys. Go figure.
I have to do some homework on the Denver version. I'll get back to you.
What IS interesting is that there are TWO Conor McGoverns in the NFL and they both play interior OL. Ones a FA from Denver the other is signed on the Cowboys. Go figure.
I have to do some homework on the Denver version. I'll get back to you.
The OL doesn't have to be pro bowlers at every position but you can't have turnstiles or sieves at any position either. Last year 3 guys bordered on the turnstile or marshmellow it being Solder Remmers and Pio.
Thuney is better than you give him credit for IMO and Gates looks that way too. O' Hara was not a mauler by any stretch but a heady, smart center who knew his assignments. Thuney and Gates are really smart lineman who seem to 'get it' and could quite likely flourish at the OC spot.
Either would likely be a sizeable upgrade to Pio.
Do your homework on McGovern and get back to me. He isn't a pro bowler but he is an average to solid center who gets the job done more often than not. Don't think he has quite the upside of either Thuney or Gates at that position but he is more a proven quantity.
I would take ANY of these options over Pio again or Pulley and yes over a rookie especially if we add a rookie LT to the line.
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Zack Martin and Quentin Nelson weren’t worth their spots? This in our way means Becton should be the pick. Can’t use Flowers every time theories a T or G prospect who may be near the Giants slot.
To my eyes their floor was much higher than Becton's. Martin and Nelson were/are powerful, compact, agile, moved well and fast on traps and to second level. They had 'can't miss' written all over them. From little I've seen of Becton, he might have more upside but his floor could be a lot lower.
Apparently Jeremiah and others don't agree . I wouldn't call him can't miss but based on what we know I think he is less project and risk coming in than Tyron Smith who went 9 to the Cowboys. Combine and interviews should cement this.
Tyron Smith needed a year at RT before he transitioned and if you read the multiple write ups back then many said he was a bit raw but with tremendous upside.
I never said Becton is a finished product either. I even think Wills is more polished (just much lower ceiling). But I do not feel Becton is unpolished nor a long term project. The tools are so elite and He is just so powerful and smooth that he can still function at a decent or better level very early on. Jeremiah said as much in his report. He isn't a 2 -3 year project by any means .
He's bending at the waist because the rushers are trying like heck to avoid his reach entirely. Rushers don't try to attack him like they do 'normal' lineman. They are scared as heck of trying to bull rush or spin off him.
That can easily get cleaned up at the pro level where he'll get coached up to guard/manage his area better and let them come to him more often before mauling them.
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Better to have youth than spend on average talent that doesn't fit the role you're considering them for.
McGovern isn't available, I addressed Thuney as a mediocre run blocker and not an OC and what has Gates done to warrant getting the inside track as starting OC?
> Simply not a fan of your 'plan' for the O-line. Reeks of disaster.
Both Gates and Thuney have had pro reps and conditioning. Both have also taken reps at the OC position at the pro level. Both are likely light years better than Pio and won't have as many growing pains and inconsistency like a rookie signal caller would. Not saying this is the ideal but likely better than either Pio or a rookie.
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Yes please to McGovern. We need a real center.
1. Heavy investment in the backfield last 2 years (Saquon at 2 and DJ at 6) and both were greatly impacted by poor OL play.
2. Garrett had a superior OL in Dallas and they invested 3 first round picks on OL his first four years as HC
3. Related to #2, Garrett's pass game and preference seems to favor a strong run game and a little more vertical passing game both of those aspects are greatly helped by stronger OL play especially at LT.
4. One of Gettleman's first and greatest proclamations upon becoming GM was the OL needs to be fixed. We are entering year 3 and while he has found 2 potential solutions at OG (Zietler/Hernendez) huge holes remain at OT where both Solder and Remmers have clearly lost a step (and at OC). He undoubtedly will want to be strong in addressing this but there is no FA LT out there that will likely be available for NYG.
5. DG seems to love the big powerful OL and Mekhi fits that profile to a T
6. LT is arguably the most important position on the OL and Jones has seemed to struggle a bit with awareness of peripheral pressure (Edge rush)
7. Quality LTs go very quickly in round 1. The percentages go down greatly to find a high level prospect in round 2 or below.
Great. We're trudging towards the good old Jersey Joe list of the 7 ways to improve a team!! This should ramp up impressively in the next several weeks....
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People aren't exactly pulling the Flowers comparison out of their ass. I'm not sure how any Giants fan could watch this guy bending and lunging and not be reminded of Flowers.
Given the enormous upside I'd rather take the risk on Becton than Thomas, but I don't want a project at 4.
They'd be smarter to take Okudah.
Love Okudah but our secondary is extremely young . Also free agency is solidly stocked at CB. I see us stabilizing the secondary with a veteran vs. going with another very young player at the position.
Wills might be the most polished OT of them all but he doesn't have nearly the upside that Becton has.
good point about FA, our young secondary, and perhaps the right way to build back there. i was thinking the same thing a couple weeks ago when watching the championship game. okudah looks pretty special however. this is what makes team building and thus the offseason so fun.
This is what gets you in trouble with the draft. Its easy to fall for a player's size/measurable's. NFL is all about technique. Strength and size can make you elite in college, but the strength and speed of NFL players is so much greater than college. You will be consistently exposed in the NFL if you lack technique.
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People aren't exactly pulling the Flowers comparison out of their ass. I'm not sure how any Giants fan could watch this guy bending and lunging and not be reminded of Flowers.
Given the enormous upside I'd rather take the risk on Becton than Thomas, but I don't want a project at 4.
They'd be smarter to take Okudah.
Love Okudah but our secondary is extremely young . Also free agency is solidly stocked at CB. I see us stabilizing the secondary with a veteran vs. going with another very young player at the position.
Wills might be the most polished OT of them all but he doesn't have nearly the upside that Becton has.
good point about FA, our young secondary, and perhaps the right way to build back there. i was thinking the same thing a couple weeks ago when watching the championship game. okudah looks pretty special however. this is what makes team building and thus the offseason so fun.
Agreed Okudah looks pretty special and may fall under the rare instant hogh level starter day 1 category. But I still think for the way the team is constructed a dominant LT helps us more overall. Why ? because there are two things that are very important to this team now with Barkley and Garrett : the run and the downfield passing game. We also have a QB (at least thus far) who has struggled a bit with peripheral pressure.
This again. For the first time in probably forever I was not shocked by a pick that seemed to shock nearly everyone, that being the jones pick last year. The reason why is simple, there weren’t that many players and possibilities to prepare for. Giants picked 5th it was either gonna be the qb or Allen. Then, just hyper focus on the senior bowl and collegiate play.
Even if you know everything about the giants they will surprise you in the draft. Just like every other team will. But if you examine the giants history and what seems to make them tick this time of year, you can usually see the high first round pick coming. It’s those latter picks where it gets really tough.