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Herbert or Love do enough to move into discussion of top 5?

Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 10:04 am
While the numbers looked pretty good for Herbert I think they may have run some easier stuff to complete a bit, also think he was somewhat erratic on a few throws and missed a couple better options. I think in General he played pretty well but not sure he did enough despite the MVP performance .

Now it only takes one team and there are a bunch in the top 12 that want a QB.

If Tua/Burrow all go top 3...did Herbert do enough to make our pick extra valuable?

Love looked even less polished and like he'll need a lot of work.

Again, it just takes one team to maybe see Josh Allen upside and pick him high or trade up but of the 2 I think it will be Herbert that goes top 4-5 before Love does.
In the end, I do think Herbert will be a top 5 selection  
Saos1n : 1/26/2020 10:07 am : link
If everything falls right, medicals and combine, I believe 3 go in the top 5.

Burrow, Tua and Herbert. The question will be, are any of them taken in the 4 spot?
The game basically means zero so analyzing it is pretty pointless.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 10:08 am : link
It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.
Fine line between supply and demand  
George from PA : 1/26/2020 10:11 am : link
High demand is good.....High supple is bad
RE: Fine line between supply and demand  
Saos1n : 1/26/2020 10:12 am : link
In comment 14794021 George from PA said:
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High demand is good.....High supple is bad


I agree, in theory, but not every QB is a teams ‘cup of tea’
RE: In the end, I do think Herbert will be a top 5 selection  
Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 10:16 am : link
In comment 14794014 Saos1n said:
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If everything falls right, medicals and combine, I believe 3 go in the top 5.

Burrow, Tua and Herbert. The question will be, are any of them taken in the 4 spot?


The 4 spot essentially becomes does a team below us think they will still get that player at their pick or is there another/multiple teams who want that player that could jump them?

It's basically what happened when we moved up one spot for Shockey. Also what happened when Bears moved up one spot for Trubisky.
Hard to say  
Mike in NY : 1/26/2020 10:29 am : link
The Herbert vs. Love question almost reminds me of Rosen v. Allen in 2018 although I think Herbert is better than Rosen and Allen is better than Love. Herbert feels like the surer thing, but with Love if someone feels like they have the scheme for him will trade up to get him. Ideally for the Giants the Detroit Lions decide they want a QB at #3 to replace Matt Stafford. That way anyone who wants to be assured of their QB, not knowing who Miami, Chargers, or Panthers want, is desperate to get to #4.
RE: The game basically means zero so analyzing it is pretty pointless.  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/26/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14794016 robbieballs2003 said:
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It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.


I'm not sure how you can claim that......
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“After the three series I watched, I saw a professional quarterback,” Gettleman said after the draft. “So that’s when I was in full-blown love.”


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I agree that their body of work  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/26/2020 10:33 am : link
matter much more, but you can't say that the game is "pointless"
RE: Hard to say  
Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 14794042 Mike in NY said:
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The Herbert vs. Love question almost reminds me of Rosen v. Allen in 2018 although I think Herbert is better than Rosen and Allen is better than Love. Herbert feels like the surer thing, but with Love if someone feels like they have the scheme for him will trade up to get him. Ideally for the Giants the Detroit Lions decide they want a QB at #3 to replace Matt Stafford. That way anyone who wants to be assured of their QB, not knowing who Miami, Chargers, or Panthers want, is desperate to get to #4.


That would be the ideal. It leaves more teams below NYG still needing QB and a higher non QB prospect available at 4.

Best case is we trade down one spot with Miami get their 26 or 2nd rounder and then take Becton,Wills, Okudah or Simmons.
I guess you missed my thread  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/26/2020 10:43 am : link
"A way too early draft prognosis."

But starting new threads is always cool.


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RE: RE: The game basically means zero so analyzing it is pretty pointless.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 10:45 am : link
In comment 14794046 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.



I'm not sure how you can claim that......


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“After the three series I watched, I saw a professional quarterback,” Gettleman said after the draft. “So that’s when I was in full-blown love.”

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Haha. You really believed the Giants drafted him based on his senior bowl performance?
RE: RE: RE: The game basically means zero so analyzing it is pretty pointless.  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/26/2020 10:48 am : link
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It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.



I'm not sure how you can claim that......


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“After the three series I watched, I saw a professional quarterback,” Gettleman said after the draft. “So that’s when I was in full-blown love.”

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Haha. You really believed the Giants drafted him based on his senior bowl performance?

nope....but it certainly wasn't pointless
Basically pointless is different than pointless.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 10:49 am : link
If he had a bad game he'd still be our QB.
RE: The game basically means zero so analyzing it is pretty pointless.  
NYDCBlue : 1/26/2020 10:57 am : link
In comment 14794016 robbieballs2003 said:
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It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.


Wait, you follow which team? Have you listened to DD at all? He does not agree with that common wisdom apparently. At least not when it comes to quarterbacks.
RE: RE: The game basically means zero so analyzing it is pretty pointless.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 14794072 NYDCBlue said:
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It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.



Wait, you follow which team? Have you listened to DD at all? He does not agree with that common wisdom apparently. At least not when it comes to quarterbacks.


So, you think an allstar game with different rules where guys play like a quarter or two with players they've never played with before holds a ton of weight?
Oh, and most scouts leave after the practices and don't even stay for  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:00 am : link
the game. Why?
RE: RE: RE: The game basically means zero so analyzing it is pretty pointless.  
NYDCBlue : 1/26/2020 11:01 am : link
In comment 14794059 robbieballs2003 said:
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It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.



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“After the three series I watched, I saw a professional quarterback,” Gettleman said after the draft. “So that’s when I was in full-blown love.”

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Haha. You really believed the Giants drafted him based on his senior bowl performance?


There were similar quotes after the selection of Lauletta.... Although he supposedly had a great week of practice in addition to playing well in the game.
NYCDBlue  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:03 am : link
And where did Lauletta go in the draft. Prior to the draft there were rumors he could sneak into the bottom of round one and was probably a second round QB. So, I fail to see your point. Did you think he was going in the 7th and that game helped him out?
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NYDCBlue : 1/26/2020 11:04 am : link
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It is his body of work and practices there that matter way more.



Wait, you follow which team? Have you listened to DD at all? He does not agree with that common wisdom apparently. At least not when it comes to quarterbacks.



So, you think an allstar game with different rules where guys play like a quarter or two with players they've never played with before holds a ton of weight?


What I think, is that I take people at their word....
Maybe Herbert?  
The_Boss : 1/26/2020 11:06 am : link
That being said, 2 QB’s probably go in the top 3 along with Young. For the NYG at 4, unless they get a surprise call to trade out (the Lions at 3 should expect multiple calls), will choose among Okudah, Jeudy, Simmons, and an OT (if one rises to blue chip status). In this scenario, I take the CB.
RE: NYCDBlue  
NYDCBlue : 1/26/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 14794082 robbieballs2003 said:
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And where did Lauletta go in the draft. Prior to the draft there were rumors he could sneak into the bottom of round one and was probably a second round QB. So, I fail to see your point. Did you think he was going in the 7th and that game helped him out?


I don't know anything about how the Giants valued Lauletta before the Senior bowl. I can say that he DID get drafted by the GMEN. Perhaps he was even higher on their draft board before the Senior bowl and he dropped. Perhaps he was off their draft board, and he showed them so much that they drafted him in the fourth.... That's all speculation. Other than the exact words that came out of words of the people who drafted him. And they said his Senior bowl performance influenced them towards him.
Herbert is going top 7..  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 11:09 am : link
and depending on how the Giants and Lions feel about the talent on the board could easily go top 5.
Believe what you want.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:09 am : link
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RE: I agree that their body of work  
Jim in Tampa : 1/26/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 14794049 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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matter much more, but you can't say that the game is "pointless"

It's been stated in the past that Senior Bowl practices mean far more than the actual games...which is why most teams (GMs, coaches and scouts) don't usually even stay for the game.
RE: Herbert is going top 7..  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14794088 Torrag said:
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and depending on how the Giants and Lions feel about the talent on the board could easily go top 5.


I agree. When it is all said and done there are too many QB needy teams for them to be patient and wait. The draft with Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, and Allen there weren't as many teams high in the draft that needed a QB. Some could have went in that direction but not many glaring needs. Also, these guys had major red flags such as injuries and lack of competition or just that they had disappointing years.

What makes this draft different is that not only are there a bunch of teams within striking distance but some of those teams have some very valuable, multiple picks to move if they want to. Other teams cannot really sit back. Now, yes, Tua is coming off a bad injury but by all accounts he is either on track or ahead of schedule and is also expected to make a full recovery. Herbert had a disappointing year but the tools are still there and teams love QBs that can move around. I don't expect them to calm unless something else happens throughout this process that turns teams off.
RE: RE: Herbert is going top 7..  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:17 am : link
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and depending on how the Giants and Lions feel about the talent on the board could easily go top 5.



I agree. When it is all said and done there are too many QB needy teams for them to be patient and wait. The draft with Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, and Allen there weren't as many teams high in the draft that needed a QB. Some could have went in that direction but not many glaring needs. Also, these guys had major red flags such as injuries and lack of competition or just that they had disappointing years.

What makes this draft different is that not only are there a bunch of teams within striking distance but some of those teams have some very valuable, multiple picks to move if they want to. Other teams cannot really sit back. Now, yes, Tua is coming off a bad injury but by all accounts he is either on track or ahead of schedule and is also expected to make a full recovery. Herbert had a disappointing year but the tools are still there and teams love QBs that can move around. I don't expect them to calm unless something else happens throughout this process that turns teams off.


Oh, and that draft also had top tier talent like Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson and possibly Ward. This draft feels different at the top. I feel like it isn't as strong as that draft at the top hence being more likely that a team is willing to move up for one of the top 3 QBs.
Love had a poor year...  
bw in dc : 1/26/2020 11:18 am : link
and, by some accounts, was erratic in the Senior Bowl practices.

He caught my eye in 2018 and I thought he was going to challenge for a top 5 spot in 2019. But it just hasn't been there. Yes, he lost a lot of talent from 2018, but it seems larger than that now. He's got some serious talent, but he's now more of a project in my view...
If Brees and Big Ben retire, Brady goes FA, Rivers goes to Tampa  
JohnF : 1/26/2020 11:19 am : link
you'll see a lot of demand for Herbert/Love. Free Agency is going to have a massive impact on the draft this year, IMO.
RE: In the end, I do think Herbert will be a top 5 selection  
k2tampa : 1/26/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 14794014 Saos1n said:
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If everything falls right, medicals and combine, I believe 3 go in the top 5.

Burrow, Tua and Herbert. The question will be, are any of them taken in the 4 spot?


There has only been one draft since 1990 when 3 QBs went in the first six picks. Many here were sure four would go in the top 5 or 6 two years ago. What happened then? Three in the top four picks is a massive long shot, possible higher odds than the Giants winning the Super Bowl next year.
I hope  
cokeduplt : 1/26/2020 11:26 am : link
so QBs always go higher than people think, just look at Jones
RE: RE: In the end, I do think Herbert will be a top 5 selection  
Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 11:28 am : link
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If everything falls right, medicals and combine, I believe 3 go in the top 5.

Burrow, Tua and Herbert. The question will be, are any of them taken in the 4 spot?



There has only been one draft since 1990 when 3 QBs went in the first six picks. Many here were sure four would go in the top 5 or 6 two years ago. What happened then? Three in the top four picks is a massive long shot, possible higher odds than the Giants winning the Super Bowl next year.


You've got a lot of QBs riding off into the sunset or changing teams for a last year run or so. Rivers, Cam Newton (due to injury and a new staff who will probably want a more accurate, better decision making Qb), Brees, Brady (Pats probably ready for a new QB). Then guys that might not have worked out like Foles (Minshew was up and down). And another who has a currently questionable long term injury prognosis in Stafford.

The demand could be extremely high this year with up to 6 teams in the top 12 with a high need at QB.
'there are too many QB needy teams for them to be patient and wait'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 11:29 am : link
Yep. How many times have we seen draft gurus like Mel, Mayock and others say if you want a QB you better go get him. They're right. Even last year although the Giants didn't 'trade up' the narrative among many was they could wait. That didn't happen and Kiper and Jeremiah got it. Only that nitwit McShay balked and btw in his early coverage of this years draft has doubled down rather than admit he was wrong, saying the Giants should look at QB's at #4. Mel asked him if he'd watched the games and told him just because he was wrong not to be a hater. Haha.

I also concur with and have cited similar conditions of QB demand(7 legit teams in need and the Raiders a darkhorse 8th) and proximity to the pick with all of them being within the top 14 selections.

Listen, there are never guarantees of anything in the Draft but if the Giants are ever going to trade down in the 1st Round this is the year.
RE: 'there are too many QB needy teams for them to be patient and wait'  
Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 14794113 Torrag said:
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Yep. How many times have we seen draft gurus like Mel, Mayock and others say if you want a QB you better go get him. They're right. Even last year although the Giants didn't 'trade up' the narrative among many was they could wait. That didn't happen and Kiper and Jeremiah got it. Only that nitwit McShay balked and btw in his early coverage of this years draft has doubled down rather than admit he was wrong, saying the Giants should look at QB's at #4. Mel asked him if he'd watched the games and told him just because he was wrong not to be a hater. Haha.

I also concur with and have cited similar conditions of QB demand(7 legit teams in need and the Raiders a darkhorse 8th) and proximity to the pick with all of them being within the top 14 selections.

Listen, there are never guarantees of anything in the Draft but if the Giants are ever going to trade down in the 1st Round this is the year.


The fumbling issue and the peripheral awareness of Jones are no doubt concerning which is why getting him a potentially elite blindside protector becomes even more important . Also why I like Thuney in FA, a versatile, smart OL that can play multiple spots including RT and potentially OC
I watched both yesterday, and came away  
barens : 1/26/2020 11:45 am : link
thinking Herbert still has a bit of trouble hitting receivers in stride. I know his arm is great, but at least yesterday, there were a lot of easy throws, and the TD was a screen pass that the running back did all of the work.

He may have the it factor, but he didn't do anything yesterday to warrant the game MVP.

Love looked like he needed a lot of work. I'd be surprised if he ends up going in round 1.
'I watched both yesterday'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:04 pm : link
Honestly the game means little. Not 'nothing' but little. They are given a few days of interviews, meetings drills and practices which shows their smarts, character and technique.

Then they are asked to play the game with a bunch of guys they don't know and have no 'sync' with.
Love  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/26/2020 1:13 pm : link
has Patriots written all over him if he lasts that long
RE: 'I watched both yesterday'  
barens : 1/26/2020 2:17 pm : link
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Honestly the game means little. Not 'nothing' but little. They are given a few days of interviews, meetings drills and practices which shows their smarts, character and technique.

Then they are asked to play the game with a bunch of guys they don't know and have no 'sync' with.


Absolutely, there is no disputing that. But for Herbert, that has been the knock on him, and all I’m saying is that he didn’t do
anything to change that. And for those who are crowing about his supposed MVP performance during the game, it just didn’t look all that great.

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Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 2:28 pm : link
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Honestly the game means little. Not 'nothing' but little. They are given a few days of interviews, meetings drills and practices which shows their smarts, character and technique.

Then they are asked to play the game with a bunch of guys they don't know and have no 'sync' with.



Absolutely, there is no disputing that. But for Herbert, that has been the knock on him, and all I’m saying is that he didn’t do
anything to change that. And for those who are crowing about his supposed MVP performance during the game, it just didn’t look all that great.


Thought he looked pretty good but not great. But there are some pretty QB hungry teams right below us that might feel they can get strong enough play from him and tailor the system around him (like Buf did with Allen).
My 2 cents  
5BowlsSoon : 1/26/2020 2:50 pm : link
I think GMs are observing what is happening in the league. Two years ago, 4 qbs drafter in top 10....none are ALL THAT.

Last year, only Murray went top 5. The rest of the guys were not forced, if you assume DJ wasn’t forced.

So, I doubt reams are going to give up lots of draft picks to pick up guys who are not Mahomes. So Herbert and Love I don’t believe will generate phone calls on draft day.
RE: My 2 cents  
SGMen : 1/26/2020 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14794379 5BowlsSoon said:
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I think GMs are observing what is happening in the league. Two years ago, 4 qbs drafter in top 10....none are ALL THAT.

Last year, only Murray went top 5. The rest of the guys were not forced, if you assume DJ wasn’t forced.

So, I doubt reams are going to give up lots of draft picks to pick up guys who are not Mahomes. So Herbert and Love I don’t believe will generate phone calls on draft day.
You may be right here. But if San Diego is "HOT" for a QB, they pick at #6, and we as fans have to hope they trade their 1st, 2nd and say 4th to move up two spots and bypass Miami at #5. I still think we can get a top defensive player at #6 and the extra #2 will be so useful for possibly a wideout.
I wasn’t impressed by Love at all.  
Giant John : 1/26/2020 3:25 pm : link
I liked the way Herbert moved and his size. Good arm.
4 qbs drafter in top 10....none are ALL THAT  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 3:45 pm : link
2019 Murray and Jones both played well on shitty teams

2018 Josh Allen is undoubtedly the guy in Buffalo. Baker has played well on a shitty team. Darnold has been slowed by injuries but came on strong the second half last season.

2017 Although Trubisky has struggled Mahomes(#10) and Watson(#12) have thrived.

2016 Goff and Wentz went 1 and 2 overall and been very successful.

Not sure how you conclude recent drafts support your opinion. I'd say if anything it's the opposite. if you need a QB you better find a way to get your hands on one or your program is screwed.
RE: RE: My 2 cents  
5BowlsSoon : 1/26/2020 5:21 pm : link
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I think GMs are observing what is happening in the league. Two years ago, 4 qbs drafter in top 10....none are ALL THAT.

Last year, only Murray went top 5. The rest of the guys were not forced, if you assume DJ wasn’t forced.

So, I doubt reams are going to give up lots of draft picks to pick up guys who are not Mahomes. So Herbert and Love I don’t believe will generate phone calls on draft day.

You may be right here. But if San Diego is "HOT" for a QB, they pick at #6, and we as fans have to hope they trade their 1st, 2nd and say 4th to move up two spots and bypass Miami at #5. I still think we can get a top defensive player at #6 and the extra #2 will be so useful for possibly a wideout.


Hi Sg.....your scenario does make sense and it certainly is what most Giants want to see....S D and Miami and Carolina even competing for a qb. I hope it happens.

I think SD can certainly get Herbert or Love at #6 if they want him, but if they want Tua, they may have to move ahead of Miami and trade to either 3 or 4.
Cin, Miami, & Chargers all HAVE to get QBs this year.  
Tom in NY : 1/26/2020 5:47 pm : link
...and think about the Chargers moving into a new, massive stadium. They need something to draw fans to them. Maybe they trade for Cam Newton..but then Carolina would need to go QB.

With other teams (Tampa, Raiders, Detroit, NE?) also potentially in need, demand will be high.

QBs almost always get over drafted. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are near locks to go top 5.
RE: 4 qbs drafter in top 10....none are ALL THAT  
5BowlsSoon : 1/26/2020 6:16 pm : link
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2019 Murray and Jones both played well on shitty teams

2018 Josh Allen is undoubtedly the guy in Buffalo. Baker has played well on a shitty team. Darnold has been slowed by injuries but came on strong the second half last season.

2017 Although Trubisky has struggled Mahomes(#10) and Watson(#12) have thrived.

2016 Goff and Wentz went 1 and 2 overall and been very successful.

Not sure how you conclude recent drafts support your opinion. I'd say if anything it's the opposite. if you need a QB you better find a way to get your hands on one or your program is screwed.


I’m not sure about that. You showed the best qbs....Mahomes and Watson....were not taken top 5. I said Herbert and Love don’t need to be taken top 5. Neither one is not ALL THAT and certainly not as good as Mahomes and Watson.

For the record, I’m not a big Goff fan. I think he is overrated and his performance in the SB convinced me of that. He is okay, not great In my opinion. I love Wentz....he is a BEAST! The 2018 class are all okay but also not great. It seems to me that to be top 5, you should be better than okay...you should be great. Will Herbert be great? He might, might not, not as sure as Burrow and Tua. Those two definitely belong in top 5.

The reason I’m keeping this dialog to top 5 is because we pick 4 and all I’m concerned about is will a team trade up to our slot to get Tua and or Herbert. I think they will to get Tua, not Herbert, but I don’t know for sure...teams do panic about qbs.
RE: Cin, Miami, & Chargers all HAVE to get QBs this year.  
GFAN52 : 1/26/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14794643 Tom in NY said:
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...and think about the Chargers moving into a new, massive stadium. They need something to draw fans to them. Maybe they trade for Cam Newton..but then Carolina would need to go QB.

With other teams (Tampa, Raiders, Detroit, NE?) also potentially in need, demand will be high.

QBs almost always get over drafted. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are near locks to go top 5.


Top ten perhaps. Burrow and Young plus Okudah seem likely to be top 5 locks.
"pointless" tweet by Sy I guess  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/26/2020 7:17 pm : link


David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
For the first time ever - Jalen Hurts has to deal with pressure in the pocket. And the result isn't pretty.
Over relying on success in the Senior bowl  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/26/2020 8:36 pm : link
Gets you a trade up for Sinorice Moss. Now of the kid does I that game what you see elsewhere ok. But it shouldn’t just change what the kid has done for the last 4-5 years.
RE: RE: Cin, Miami, & Chargers all HAVE to get QBs this year.  
Tom in NY : 1/26/2020 8:39 pm : link
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...and think about the Chargers moving into a new, massive stadium. They need something to draw fans to them. Maybe they trade for Cam Newton..but then Carolina would need to go QB.

With other teams (Tampa, Raiders, Detroit, NE?) also potentially in need, demand will be high.

QBs almost always get over drafted. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are near locks to go top 5.



Top ten perhaps. Burrow and Young plus Okudah seem likely to be top 5 locks.


The pressure on the Chargers to bring some excitement into that new stadium is substantial, and will force their hand. Tyrod Taylor, nor Love are going to do it for them..and their franchise will be a disaster because of it.
The Giants will have the opportunity to trade down with QB hungry teams.
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GFAN52 : 1/26/2020 8:47 pm : link
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...and think about the Chargers moving into a new, massive stadium. They need something to draw fans to them. Maybe they trade for Cam Newton..but then Carolina would need to go QB.

With other teams (Tampa, Raiders, Detroit, NE?) also potentially in need, demand will be high.

QBs almost always get over drafted. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are near locks to go top 5.



Top ten perhaps. Burrow and Young plus Okudah seem likely to be top 5 locks.



The pressure on the Chargers to bring some excitement into that new stadium is substantial, and will force their hand. Tyrod Taylor, nor Love are going to do it for them..and their franchise will be a disaster because of it.
The Giants will have the opportunity to trade down with QB hungry teams.


But will Gettleman break with his history and Giants tradition not to trade down is another question.
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Tom in NY : 1/27/2020 12:09 am : link
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...and think about the Chargers moving into a new, massive stadium. They need something to draw fans to them. Maybe they trade for Cam Newton..but then Carolina would need to go QB.

With other teams (Tampa, Raiders, Detroit, NE?) also potentially in need, demand will be high.

QBs almost always get over drafted. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are near locks to go top 5.



Top ten perhaps. Burrow and Young plus Okudah seem likely to be top 5 locks.



The pressure on the Chargers to bring some excitement into that new stadium is substantial, and will force their hand. Tyrod Taylor, nor Love are going to do it for them..and their franchise will be a disaster because of it.
The Giants will have the opportunity to trade down with QB hungry teams.



But will Gettleman break with his history and Giants tradition not to trade down is another question.


DG will probably have a player, or two, in mind and as long as he believes he can still get them, then yeah, let's get a deal done.
RE: RE: RE: Cin, Miami, & Chargers all HAVE to get QBs this year.  
Pheonix Orion : 1/27/2020 4:56 am : link
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...and think about the Chargers moving into a new, massive stadium. They need something to draw fans to them. Maybe they trade for Cam Newton..but then Carolina would need to go QB.

With other teams (Tampa, Raiders, Detroit, NE?) also potentially in need, demand will be high.

QBs almost always get over drafted. Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are near locks to go top 5.



Top ten perhaps. Burrow and Young plus Okudah seem likely to be top 5 locks.



The pressure on the Chargers to bring some excitement into that new stadium is substantial, and will force their hand. Tyrod Taylor, nor Love are going to do it for them..and their franchise will be a disaster because of it.
The Giants will have the opportunity to trade down with QB hungry teams.


Possible. But you can't magically fabricate the perfect QB, he has to exist and be available to draft.

Does more than Burrow make the grade? If yes but only Tua too but if he goes at 3 it doesn't help us in terms of trading down. Now if Herbert ALSO makes the grade it gets interesting....
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bw in dc : 1/27/2020 5:15 am : link
In comment 14794759 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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David Syvertsen
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For the first time ever - Jalen Hurts has to deal with pressure in the pocket. And the result isn't pretty.


This is strange. Hurts was under plenty of pressure in the SEC while at Alabama. And he usually resorted to using his mobility to keep the play extended.
I could see the possibility of teams considering moving up for a qb  
Ira : 1/27/2020 5:36 am : link
other than Tua, but I can't see a team giving more than what the trade value chart specifies for that trade.
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