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Trade draft rumor that could change the draft.

mdthedream : 1/26/2020 11:25 am
Matthew Stafford Trade Rumors: Writer Hints at Huge Lions Move

Heavy "The Detroit Lions could have a big decision to make as it relates to what to do with Matthew Stafford, and that decision might not be that cut and dry according to some. As rumors have persisted, could the team move on from Stafford this offseason and look to deal him...."
This could make a big draft difference.
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If this happens you hope it to be a team  
Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 11:30 am : link
Picking later in the draft. Otherwise it takes a prine trading partner for us out of the mix if we view only a slight trade down as the ideal scenario .
32M cap hit if they do...  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/26/2020 11:31 am : link
Who writes this shit?
You also have to consider this:  
Anakim : 1/26/2020 11:33 am : link
Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn are FIRMLY on the hot seat. If they don't do well next year, they're gone. That's why I don't think they go QB. They need to win now.
Many if not most of us believe a QB is going #3 overall...  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 11:34 am : link
whether it's to Detroit after trading Stafford or to someone moving up for Tua/Herbert it really doesn't change the scenarios just the team acquiring the QB.

What would eb a dynamic shift to this Draft woulld be a credible report that the Redskins have decided to shop the #2 pick. I don't expect that to happen though.
It’s better for the Giants if the Lions go QB  
Jay on the Island : 1/26/2020 11:34 am : link
Okudah would fall to the Giants.
If this happens  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:37 am : link
I can see Miami trading up with Washington. Miami takes Tua. Detroit then takes Herbert.
trading him  
fkap : 1/26/2020 11:39 am : link
would cost, at minimum, a 4.2 additional cap hit. there's a 6 mil roster bonus and a .5 mil workout bonus. If they trade before they kick in, it's 4.2 mil. After they kick in, it's a 10.7 mil additional.

This isn't dead cap. It's on top of his current cap number.

They have ~49 mil in cap space. Don't know how many need to be re-signed.

I've argued they were stuck with him this year, but if they do it now, draft picks in return might be worth 4.2 mil.

This would mean anyone who wants to jump them have to deal with Washington, or Detroit has to swap with them.
RE: If this happens  
Anakim : 1/26/2020 11:39 am : link
In comment 14794125 robbieballs2003 said:
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I can see Miami trading up with Washington. Miami takes Tua. Detroit then takes Herbert.


Leaving us with Chase Young. I like that scenario!
RE: If this happens  
Pheonix Orion : 1/26/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14794125 robbieballs2003 said:
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I can see Miami trading up with Washington. Miami takes Tua. Detroit then takes Herbert.


Would Washington give up the best player in the draft?

If Young falls to us I think we run to the podium even over an LT.
Anakim  
fkap : 1/26/2020 11:44 am : link
One could argue that thinking long term and going with a rookie buys Patricia/Quinn time. Going with Stafford and losing seals their fate.
I just don't see the Lions taking a QB  
Anakim : 1/26/2020 11:44 am : link
That admin. needs to win now. They can't afford to rest their fates on a rookie QB
'I can see Miami trading up with Washington.'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 11:45 am : link
I don't see the Redskins passing on Young for anything less than a massive overpay. So it's unlikely. Are they willing to part with #5, #18, #56, #70 and a 2nd Rounder or more from next years Draft? Because that is what it will take if the Redskins will even consider passing on Young.
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 1/26/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 14794131 fkap said:
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One could argue that thinking long term and going with a rookie buys Patricia/Quinn time. Going with Stafford and losing seals their fate.


I could see that, but at the end of the day it's all about wins and losses. Look at Shurmur and DJ.
I said it at the end of the season  
Matt in SGS : 1/26/2020 11:47 am : link
I think the Lions go the "Kansas City Model" and they will draft a QB at #3 to sit behind Stafford for the year and take over in 2021. You never know when you are drafting low enough to be in position to take a potential franchise QB and they should have one sitting there, especially if/when the Redskins take Chase Young.

Stafford's back isn't going to get any better with age, and with players retiring earlier than in years past because of awareness of their health and managing their money better (not to mention Stafford's wife had her own health scare), I wouldn't be surprised to see Stafford play this last year and walk away.
RE: RE: If this happens  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 14794130 Pheonix Orion said:
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In comment 14794125 robbieballs2003 said:


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I can see Miami trading up with Washington. Miami takes Tua. Detroit then takes Herbert.



Would Washington give up the best player in the draft?

If Young falls to us I think we run to the podium even over an LT.


For multiple firsts? I would.
If Detroit takes a QB.....which I doubt very much  
George from PA : 1/26/2020 11:50 am : link
(Stafford cap hit is hugh and coaching is on hot seat...targeting a rookie QB, really?)....but it will drive Miami to overpay with Redskins.

But Chase Young baby!
'If Young falls to us I think we run to the podium even over an LT'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 11:50 am : link
The Giants would break the new rule about waiting the five minutes before announcing the pick.

But don't hold your breath for it to happen.

As an aside I hope we aren't seriously considering any of these OT's at #4. None of them have the high ceiling, high floor and body of work on the field to warrant it. Wills is the safest and comes closest and Bechton has the high ceiling but #4 is rare air for a prospect and these guys would all need oxygen to sniff it.
RE: RE: If this happens  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:50 am : link
In comment 14794130 Pheonix Orion said:
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In comment 14794125 robbieballs2003 said:


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I can see Miami trading up with Washington. Miami takes Tua. Detroit then takes Herbert.



Would Washington give up the best player in the draft?

If Young falls to us I think we run to the podium even over an LT.


Also, Sy made a comment that they could choose Simmons. So, if they truly like him that much how do they not do it? They'll get him at 5 and pick up at least another first.
Well It  
mdthedream : 1/26/2020 11:52 am : link
would make sense seeing the Lions might feel Stafford has a couple years left and Tua is the guy they want OR hebert. That said they could keep stafford and draft Tua anyway. Really depends I think on if there is a team out there that wants Stafford.
'they could choose Simmons'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 11:53 am : link
I like Simmons but he isn't in the same class as Young as a prospect. Young is in a group of one in this Draft. He's a notch above every other player. That includes Burrow, Okudah and anyone other name floated out there.
RE: 32M cap hit if they do...  
UConn4523 : 1/26/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 14794117 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Who writes this shit?


Yeah I don’t buy it either. Maybe a little if it was for Burrow but nothing would be more Detroit than doing this for Tua.
RE: 'they could choose Simmons'  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 14794148 Torrag said:
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I like Simmons but he isn't in the same class as Young as a prospect. Young is in a group of one in this Draft. He's a notch above every other player. That includes Burrow, Okudah and anyone other name floated out there.


While I agree with you, I am going off Sy's comment as well as the fact that they'd get premium picks out of it.
RE: You also have to consider this:  
Chocco : 1/26/2020 11:59 am : link
In comment 14794118 Anakim said:
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Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn are FIRMLY on the hot seat. If they don't do well next year, they're gone. That's why I don't think they go QB. They need to win now.

Exactly
'they'd get premium picks out of it'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 11:59 am : link
Scenario: the Giants are on the clock. Young has slid to #4 simply because of QB trade ups. We are offered a haul for the pick. What would you do? Be honest. You'd do backflips to the podium and take Young...or you should. So will Washington imo.
RE: 'they'd get premium picks out of it'  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14794157 Torrag said:
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Scenario: the Giants are on the clock. Young has slid to #4 simply because of QB trade ups. We are offered a haul for the pick. What would you do? Be honest. You'd do backflips to the podium and take Young...or you should. So will Washington imo.


Different scenario. One, there aren't rumors 9f us liking Simmons as much as Young. Two, the compensation wouldn't be as great as what Washington would have gotten. And do we have a guy rated similarly that we can guarantee we get then, yes, it becomes a conversation. But in your scenario, yes, I would take Young. Again, we aren't talking about my personal preference. We are talking about something that is possible.
'there aren't rumors 9f us liking Simmons as much as Young'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:05 pm : link
Don't even go there. No one likes Simmons as much as Young. No one.
RE: 'they'd get premium picks out of it'  
section125 : 1/26/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14794157 Torrag said:
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Scenario: the Giants are on the clock. Young has slid to #4 simply because of QB trade ups. We are offered a haul for the pick. What would you do? Be honest. You'd do backflips to the podium and take Young...or you should. So will Washington imo.


If all the QBs are gone, why would anyone offer a "haul" to move up...?

To Answer the question: take Young...
RE: 'there aren't rumors 9f us liking Simmons as much as Young'  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14794163 Torrag said:
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Don't even go there. No one likes Simmons as much as Young. No one.


Again, I am going by what Sy has said. Why is this so difficult to understand?
I looked I can't find a single report of that anywhere.  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:07 pm : link
Because it doesn't exist.
RE: If this happens  
The_Boss : 1/26/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14794125 robbieballs2003 said:
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I can see Miami trading up with Washington. Miami takes Tua. Detroit then takes Herbert.


That’s the fantasy. In the end, I think Washington resists the potential haul via trade in favor for the best player in the draft.
Remember the Patriot / Belichick way is to...  
morrison40 : 1/26/2020 12:10 pm : link
Trade an asset for maximum return just as it passes its peak, If Patricia/Quinn believe Stafford is at that point, I wont be shocked if they draft a QB at 3. Detroit doesn't want to rebuild and in 2-3 yrs be stuck with a declining QB.
RE: I looked I can't find a single report of that anywhere.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14794166 Torrag said:
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Because it doesn't exist.


Why are you being a dick? Do you think I made that up about Sy? He said don't be surprised if Washington took Simmons over Young. You need to understand the difference between something being possible and something being likely.
I've said it before but it bears repeating.  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/26/2020 12:16 pm : link
It's EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that Washington will give up the #2 slot and Chase Young for ANY offer.

The just hired a defensive oriented HC with chops and weight based on a record of success, and his success was largely tied to a dominant DL.

Rivera might blow his top if Snyder dictates accepting a trade offer.

That's pure speculation but it makes logical sense.
'something being possible and something being likely'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:18 pm : link
IMO the odds anyone takes Simmons over Young are miniscule. My posts will reflect that. And don't get upset we're talking football and no one made any insults I'm aware of.

Ron Rivera  
Gruber : 1/26/2020 12:18 pm : link
I posted on another thread to absolutely no response: what if Ron Rivera is not sold on Dwayne Haksins as his quarterback?
Driving up the price  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/26/2020 12:18 pm : link
to move up imo. Would Detroit even allow the GM/Patricia to do this? Detroit ownership was clear they had to show results this year. Can't see them allowing them to pick a QB with the fairly strong possibility a whole new regime is coming. Remember the GM got rid of Caldwell who had fairly good results and made the playoffs.
I think you can safely assume the following  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/26/2020 12:19 pm : link
1) Cinci selects Joe Burrow
2) Washington selects Chase Young

3) The fun begins as somebody offers a bundle for Herbert or Tua.

No other QB compares with those top 3 IMO.
'what if Ron Rivera is not sold on Dwayne Haksins'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:20 pm : link
Irrelevant Snyder had a hand in picking Haskins so Ron's stuck with him for a while. That said he probably at least likes haskins or why would he have taken the job?
No other QB compares with those top 3 IMO.  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:21 pm : link
Yup, Love isn't in that conversation as far as I'm concerned.
RE: It’s better for the Giants if the Lions go QB  
Saquads26 : 1/26/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14794120 Jay on the Island said:
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Okudah would fall to the Giants.


I’d still take Simmons over him
RE: 32M cap hit if they do...  
ron mexico : 1/26/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14794117 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Who writes this shit?


That’s a face cut, not if he’s traded.

Looks like 20mil dead cap for a trade
RE: 'something being possible and something being likely'  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14794181 Torrag said:
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IMO the odds anyone takes Simmons over Young are miniscule. My posts will reflect that. And don't get upset we're talking football and no one made any insults I'm aware of.


But to repeat myself. It isn't Simmons over Young. That is what Sy said. He said don't be shocked if thay happens with Washington. So, now look at the big picture. It isn't Simmons over Young. It is Simmons and multiple picks over Young. Big difference.
Meant to say  
ron mexico : 1/26/2020 12:23 pm : link
That’s if he’s cut
If the Lions have a conviction about  
TommyWiseau : 1/26/2020 12:27 pm : link
Tua or Herbert it would be smart to take em. Stafford is not getting any younger (he will be 32 next month) and as everyone knows, back injuries don't just go away. Drafting Tua or Herbert and letting the QB sit for a year or two would be the smart move
RE: 32M cap hit if they do...  
Capt. Don : 1/26/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14794117 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Who writes this shit?


I think it is possible that you have an incomplete understanding of how this works.

Trading him would accelerate guarantees ($32 M) but would eliminate $21.3M which means they would be losing $10.7M in cap space for a player not on their roster.

Dont get me wrong, that hurts but it isnt $32M, which wouldve been insurmountable. It also frees up a lot of money after this year.
'Big difference'.  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:30 pm : link
Again put yourself in the same scenario for the Giants? Would you pass on Young? I wouldn't. I'd say the odds are slim it happens. Less than 10%.
Whats the cap  
XBRONX : 1/26/2020 12:31 pm : link
hit if Stafford is cut after next season?
RE: Ron Rivera  
Capt. Don : 1/26/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14794182 Gruber said:
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I posted on another thread to absolutely no response: what if Ron Rivera is not sold on Dwayne Haksins as his quarterback?


Then they probably wouldn't have hired him in the first place.
RE: 'Big difference'.  
robbieballs2003 : 1/26/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14794202 Torrag said:
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Again put yourself in the same scenario for the Giants? Would you pass on Young? I wouldn't. I'd say the odds are slim it happens. Less than 10%.


You are missing the point. Holy shit. If Washington likes Simmons as much or even close enough you take the deal. If Young is that much better than Simmons then you don't. Not that hard to understand.
'If Young is that much better than Simmons then you don't.'  
Torrag : 1/26/2020 12:34 pm : link
Exactly. You don't.
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