NFT: Yankee fans: which lineup do you like best

Don’t really like lineups with Gardner batting leadoff, he’s better at the bottom.

I think this is the year Gleyber becomes the #3 hitter for the next decade

1. DJ LeMahieu, 2B
2. Aaron Judge, RF
3. Gleyber Torres, SS
4. Giancarlo Stanton, LF
5. Gary Sanchez, C
6. Luke Voit, 1B
7. Miguel Andujar, DH
8. Gio Urshela, 3B
9. Brett Gardner, CF

He should be batting 2nd or 3rd in the order. We have a lot of high OBP guys. We need LeMahieu to get more ABs with RISP. I'd rather let Judge leadoff.

In comment 14794220 robbieballs2003 said:

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He should be batting 2nd or 3rd in the order. We have a lot of high OBP guys. We need LeMahieu to get more ABs with RISP. I'd rather let Judge leadoff.

Get DJ as many at-bats as possible from the leadoff spot, plus when the line up turns over he will have a combination of Andujar, Gio, and Gardy hitting in front of him which should lead to many opportunities to hit with runners on base.

LeMahieu, Torres, Judge, Andujar, Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Urshella, Gardner. Old school, new school, make sense school.

to what I'd prefer. But I want Torres batting higher than 5th. He needs to at least be the cleanup hitter, if not third. Third is probably best for him. The only drawback is that I'm not super crazy about a variation of the Stanton/Sanchez/Voit combo in the middle of the lineup. They go cold too often. I'm not sure where else to put them, though. I guess we'll see how they perform this year in the first few months of the season and that will sort itself out.

In comment 14794228 JPinstripes said:

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In comment 14794220 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He should be batting 2nd or 3rd in the order. We have a lot of high OBP guys. We need LeMahieu to get more ABs with RISP. I'd rather let Judge leadoff. Get DJ as many at-bats as possible from the leadoff spot, plus when the line up turns over he will have a combination of Andujar, Gio, and Gardy hitting in front of him which should lead to many opportunities to hit with runners on base.

100% disagree. I agree with as many at bats as possible but he needs to be in a spot where he gets more ABs with runners on. So, just because he gets an extra 20 ABs a year from the leadoff spot as opposed to the number 2 or 3 spot also means he has approximately 162 potentially ABs with 0 players on base.

In comment 14794229 PaulN said:

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LeMahieu, Torres, Judge, Andujar, Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Urshella, Gardner. Old school, new school, make sense school.

Bad idea - why move Gleyber into the 2 hole with his paltry 337 OBP and drop Judge and his 390 OBP??? No thanks.

Gleyber should be hitting 5/6 and a healthy Voit should be in consideration for top 5 with his high OBP.

In comment 14794241 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14794228 JPinstripes said: Quote: In comment 14794220 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He should be batting 2nd or 3rd in the order. We have a lot of high OBP guys. We need LeMahieu to get more ABs with RISP. I'd rather let Judge leadoff. Get DJ as many at-bats as possible from the leadoff spot, plus when the line up turns over he will have a combination of Andujar, Gio, and Gardy hitting in front of him which should lead to many opportunities to hit with runners on base. 100% disagree. I agree with as many at bats as possible but he needs to be in a spot where he gets more ABs with runners on. So, just because he gets an extra 20 ABs a year from the leadoff spot as opposed to the number 2 or 3 spot also means he has approximately 162 potentially ABs with 0 players on base.

Highest OBP hitters getting as many at bats as possible = most runs scored. It's not that deep.

So he should be higher up than guys like Stanton and Sanchez. I think 4th would be a good spot for him.

In comment 14794248 JPinstripes said:

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In comment 14794241 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14794228 JPinstripes said: Quote: In comment 14794220 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He should be batting 2nd or 3rd in the order. We have a lot of high OBP guys. We need LeMahieu to get more ABs with RISP. I'd rather let Judge leadoff. Get DJ as many at-bats as possible from the leadoff spot, plus when the line up turns over he will have a combination of Andujar, Gio, and Gardy hitting in front of him which should lead to many opportunities to hit with runners on base. 100% disagree. I agree with as many at bats as possible but he needs to be in a spot where he gets more ABs with runners on. So, just because he gets an extra 20 ABs a year from the leadoff spot as opposed to the number 2 or 3 spot also means he has approximately 162 potentially ABs with 0 players on base. Highest OBP hitters getting as many at bats as possible = most runs scored. It's not that deep.

So, why not Judge 1st and LeMahieu 2nd? Nobody is going to convince me that LeMahieu should be batting leadoff on this team. We have high OBP guys. We don't have a ton of guys that excel at both OBP and hitting with RISP. Hitting with RISP is something this team struggles with hence it is more important for this particular team to get those guys up with RISP as many times as possible not necessarily the most ABs.

power numbers than DJ.

I'm not getting into an analytics debate with anyone - go read Fangraphs blogs and other babseball analyitics / advanced stats sites that have tons of data on this subject as do the Yankees, which is why they bat DJ 1st and Judge 2nd...

In comment 14794267 JPinstripes said:

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power numbers than DJ. I'm not getting into an analytics debate with anyone - go read Fangraphs blogs and other babseball analyitics / advanced stats sites that have tons of data on this subject as do the Yankees, which is why they bat DJ 1st and Judge 2nd...

I get why he is there. I just completely disagree with it. Teams put their best hitters in the 2 hole after years of having them either 3rd, 4th, or 5th. LeMahieu should be our 2 hole hitter. We don't need him to be the OB guy. He can be both the OB guy and run producer.

1.DJ
2.Judge
3.Torres
4.Stanton
5.Sanchex
6.Voit
7.Andyajar
8.Urshela
9.Gardner

1. DJ
2. Judge
3. Voit
4. Stanton
5. Torres
6. El Gary
7. Gardner
8. Gio
9. Andujar

When Hicks returns
1. DJ
2. Judge
3. Hicks
4. Stanton
5. Voit
6. Torres
7. El Gary
8. Gio
9. Andujar

One- 2019 was not the only time that DJ had a monster season. In fact, ignoring HR, Dj's 2016 season was at least on par and maybe slightly better than his 2019. Much higher OBP while being strong bat.

With that said, DJ followed the 2016 season with two seasons that while not terrible, were nowhere near the level of 2016. In fact, it was a rather pedestrian 2018 that lead to the Yanks being able to sign DJ for a relative bargain.

That's a long way of saying that fans should not automatically assume that the 2019 version of DJ will be what we should expect in 2020. In fact, I would suggest that many should lower their expectations and should instead be expecting something closer to his 2017 numbers- albeit with more power, as he figured out how to go to RF.

The second thing is that I think any lineup where you bat Sanchez ahead of Voit is a mistake. Voit, when healthy, has demonstrated a high OBP, high SLG approach that Sanchez has never demonstrated.

Sanchez should be in the bottom third of the lineup- which isn't really a knock on Sanchez- with most other teams, he's a 4-6 hitter. With the Yanks current lineup, it is VERY difficult to make the case that he is one of their top 6 hitters.

Wonderful hitter when his team is up 10 runs or down 10 runs. In the clutch, however, count on him taking wild swings at pitches way out of the strike zone and letting pitches down the middle go. Call him Mr. STRIKEOUT.

Judge
DJ
Torres
Stanton
Andujar
Ford/Voight
Urshela
Sanchez
Hicks/Gardner

When Sanchez shows he is more then a 200 hitter that whiffs on the outside in the dirt pitch and can be a selective smart hitter then he moves up. Until then he sits at the bottom because that's how he hits relative to the other players. Hopefully he will mature and move up though I am not holding my breath

9th and when Hicks comes back he can stay there because he isn't much better as far as I am concerned.

DJ
Judge
Torres
Stanton
Voit (the following two can swap 5,6,7 positions)
Andujar
Sanchez
Gio
Gardner/Hicks/Tauchman

that order. I’d likely have Stanton bat cleanup, but the joy of this team is that any one of Stanton, Sanchez, Andujar or Voit can go up and down in the lineup depending upon who is hot.

Top 3 are the top 3. Id be ok with Torres 2nd.

Let the combination or who is hot and what the analytics guys say per match up should flex the 4-7 parts of the lineup.

Hoping Wade shows enough to get 9 spot

Still think that if there is a high contact left handed infielder with decent fielding before the trade deadline, Cashman will get into the mix.

Hard to believe that some combination of Happ/German/ Frazier/Andujar/Ford/Estrada isn't going to get packaged for an RP or a high contact/good field infield hitter. Also imagine we have eyes on catchers

Also until Gary's BA improves again he needs to hit fuether down the order. Also Gleyber is our best all around hitter. him and Judge should be 2/3 or vice versa. Miguel provided he returns to form quickly is a hitting machine and should hit above Gary .

1. DJ LeMahieu, 2B
2. Aaron Judge, RF
3. Gleyber Torres, SS
4. Giancarlo Stanton, LF
5. Miguel Andujar, DH
6. Gary Sanchez, C
7. Luke Voit 1B
8. Gio Urshela, 3B
9. Brett Gardner, CF

In comment 14794323 section125 said:

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9th and when Hicks comes back he can stay there because he isn't much better as far as I am concerned. DJ Judge Torres Stanton Voit (the following two can swap 5,6,7 positions) Andujar Sanchez Gio Gardner/Hicks/Tauchman

Just saw yours and we are thinking the same way

In comment 14794362 Pheonix Orion said:

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In comment 14794323 section125 said: Quote: 9th and when Hicks comes back he can stay there because he isn't much better as far as I am concerned. DJ Judge Torres Stanton Voit (the following two can swap 5,6,7 positions) Andujar Sanchez Gio Gardner/Hicks/Tauchman Just saw yours and we are thinking the same way

I have Voit 5th because he is a high obp and low K rate.

but my choice would be Judge 2nd Stanton 5th Sanchez 7th to break up the 200K guys if they play a full season. Fill in the rest as you please

In comment 14794377 section125 said:

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In comment 14794362 Pheonix Orion said: Quote: In comment 14794323 section125 said: Quote: 9th and when Hicks comes back he can stay there because he isn't much better as far as I am concerned. DJ Judge Torres Stanton Voit (the following two can swap 5,6,7 positions) Andujar Sanchez Gio Gardner/Hicks/Tauchman Just saw yours and we are thinking the same way I have Voit 5th because he is a high obp and low K rate.

No issue with that either. I prefer Gary no higher than 6 until he shows more consistent contact rate

In comment 14794442 Pheonix Orion said:

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In comment 14794377 section125 said: Quote: In comment 14794362 Pheonix Orion said: Quote: In comment 14794323 section125 said: Quote: 9th and when Hicks comes back he can stay there because he isn't much better as far as I am concerned. DJ Judge Torres Stanton Voit (the following two can swap 5,6,7 positions) Andujar Sanchez Gio Gardner/Hicks/Tauchman Just saw yours and we are thinking the same way I have Voit 5th because he is a high obp and low K rate. No issue with that either. I prefer Gary no higher than 6 until he shows more consistent contact rate

Yep

Why would you want more for LeMhieu than Judge?

I want Voit in the top 5 and Sancchez 6th or 7th. Gardner Should Not bat higher than 9th and neither should Hicks.

In comment 14794242 JPinstripes said:

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In comment 14794229 PaulN said: Quote: LeMahieu, Torres, Judge, Andujar, Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Urshella, Gardner. Old school, new school, make sense school. Bad idea - why move Gleyber into the 2 hole with his paltry 337 OBP and drop Judge and his 390 OBP??? No thanks. Gleyber should be hitting 5/6 and a healthy Voit should be in consideration for top 5 with his high OBP.

Torres should definitely be above Sanchez as long as Gary keeps trying to hit every ball 450 feet. He and Voit have both changed their approach dramatically from their first year, where they were incredibly successful going the other way. Now both try to pull everything and hit it a mile.

In fact, I'd put both Torres and Andujar (if he looks the same in Spring Training) in front of Sanchez and Voit, because both consistently put the ball in play. LeMahieu's OBP was 50 points above his average. Torres' OBP was 60 points above his average. Torres nearly doubled Voit's HR total and had 25 fewer K's in 30 more ABs last year. Heck, I'd put Torres ahead of Stanton (same OBP, 60 fewer K's in 2019 than Stanton in 2018 in 60 fewer ABs).

In comment 14794562 k2tampa said:

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In comment 14794242 JPinstripes said: Quote: In comment 14794229 PaulN said: Quote: LeMahieu, Torres, Judge, Andujar, Stanton, Voit, Sanchez, Urshella, Gardner. Old school, new school, make sense school. Bad idea - why move Gleyber into the 2 hole with his paltry 337 OBP and drop Judge and his 390 OBP??? No thanks. Gleyber should be hitting 5/6 and a healthy Voit should be in consideration for top 5 with his high OBP. Torres should definitely be above Sanchez as long as Gary keeps trying to hit every ball 450 feet. He and Voit have both changed their approach dramatically from their first year, where they were incredibly successful going the other way. Now both try to pull everything and hit it a mile. In fact, I'd put both Torres and Andujar (if he looks the same in Spring Training) in front of Sanchez and Voit, because both consistently put the ball in play. LeMahieu's OBP was 50 points above his average. Torres' OBP was 60 points above his average. Torres nearly doubled Voit's HR total and had 25 fewer K's in 30 more ABs last year. Heck, I'd put Torres ahead of Stanton (same OBP, 60 fewer K's in 2019 than Stanton in 2018 in 60 fewer ABs).

Voit's OBP was still very high .378 even with the rib injury so not sure your observation is correct...

he had a 1:4 K rate A 130 OPS+ 297/328/527/855. Those are not elite numbers at all. They're good.

They're also lower than what Gio did last year 1:3.5 K rate 133 OPS+ 314/355/534/889.

All of us are doubtful Gio can repeat but the odds are probably greater of Gio hitting well enough to stay at 3B than Andujar fielding well enough to stay at 3B.

Look I don't hate the guy. I want him to do well. I'd be thrilled if he turned into Graig Nettles who was also a lousy 3B his first few years in MLB. But I think I have a better shot at winning Powerball.

In comment 14794594 arniefez said:

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he had a 1:4 K rate A 130 OPS+ 297/328/527/855. Those are not elite numbers at all. They're good. They're also lower than what Gio did last year 1:3.5 K rate 133 OPS+ 314/355/534/889. All of us are doubtful Gio can repeat but the odds are probably greater of Gio hitting well enough to stay at 3B than Andujar fielding well enough to stay at 3B. Look I don't hate the guy. I want him to do well. I'd be thrilled if he turned into Graig Nettles who was also a lousy 3B his first few years in MLB. But I think I have a better shot at winning Powerball.

Andujar is a very bad fielder. He will need to get good enough hopefully at 1B or LF. Stanton and Sanchez will also need DH time.

In comment 14794466 Matt M. said:

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Why would you want more for LeMhieu than Judge? I want Voit in the top 5 and Sancchez 6th or 7th. Gardner Should Not bat higher than 9th and neither should Hicks.

Because LeMahieu is a beast. Even if he doesn't get a hit he is productive with his ABs. I don't need an all or nothing guy. I need a guy that is reliable.

aka Judge is my ideal lead off hitter

without Giancarlo Stanton. He is apparently a really nice guy, but he is a lousy baseball player.

Robbie,

Granting the time injured and the weeks coming back from injury;

Judge 2019 OBP: .381
Judge Career OBP: .394
Judge Career Number of walks per 164 games: 113

DJ LeMahieu 2019 OBP: .375
DJ LeMahieu Career OBP: .354
DJ LeMahieu Career Number of walks per 164 games: 48

What am I missing that's truly a substantive reason to switch them?

I grant the SO by Judge are high and I grant last years RISP by LeMahieu; but does anyone have a better 1-2 at the top of their line up?

To me, the answers come from some combination of:

A) Get better OBP records from the 7/8/9 slots

B) Flip Le Mahieu or Judge ( Note: Torres doesn't come close to them with a career OBP of .338

C) OR just get a better high contact hitter by trading some of the guys who are, or soon will be, ceiling limited on this Yankees team

D) Concentrate on improving Voit and Sanchez as patient hitters.

Im not seeing the big upside on this concern. But I am sure I am missing something.

Good posts and thank you robbie

Without giving credit. Unless of course Giants79 is the author on 314.

Good thread, but should give credit where it is due.

In comment 14794890 02/03/2008 said:

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Without giving credit. Unless of course Giants79 is the author on 314. Good thread, but should give credit where it is due.

My apologies, reread it and expected to see a Link.

lineup is ordering it by OBP, descending order..

In comment 14794828 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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without Giancarlo Stanton. He is apparently a really nice guy, but he is a lousy baseball player.

He was the NL MVP just three years ago.

When he's right, he's a really good hitter.

Frightening, actually, if you're a pitcher, to have to face Judge and Stanton back to back if that's how the lineup goes. Line drives up the middle from those guys ...

That said, Stanton has to show he can play a complete and valuable season for the Yanks; fair to say that hasn't really happened yet.

rated Deivi's curve the best in the minors.

In comment 14794220 robbieballs2003 said:

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He should be batting 2nd or 3rd in the order. We have a lot of high OBP guys. We need LeMahieu to get more ABs with RISP. I'd rather let Judge leadoff.

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That worked so poorly last year...DJ leading off, geez.

In comment 14795270 Dunedin81 said:

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rated Deivi's curve the best in the minors.

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That's nice, but the reality is until they prove it up here, they are all suspects down there...that's how I look
at it.

In comment 14795289 Carson53 said:

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In comment 14795270 Dunedin81 said: Quote: rated Deivi's curve the best in the minors. . That's nice, but the reality is until they prove it up here, they are all suspects down there...that's how I look at it.

Absolutely, but that sort of hype helps him to be valuable as a trade chip even now.

BP is the outlier and has him at 24. They have Jasson at 46 but they don't include Schmidt or Florial in their top 101.
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PITCHERS AND CATCHERS REPORT TWO WEEKS FROM TOMORROW!!!

that Andujar's medicals were pulled as the preliminary to a trade. No word as to destination, and it's not from anyone with much of a track record.

It’s for Krys Bryant.

The Yankees are going to add that contract? Is Happ going to the Cubs too?

Any opinions on the Marte trade? I would have thought the Pirates could have done better than that.