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NFT: Yankee fans: which lineup do you like best

Giantsfan79 : 1/26/2020 12:19 pm
Views from 314 posted some various Yankee lineups. They all gotta make you smile, but which one do you like best?

option 1: the standard, where Judge is your #2.
1. DJ LeMahieu, 2B
2. Aaron Judge, RF
3. Giancarlo Stanton, LF
4. Gary Sanchez, C
5. Gleyber Torres, SS
6. Luke Voit, 1B
7. Miguel Andujar, DH
8. Gio Urshela, 3B
9. Brett Gardner, CF

option 2: old school, high on base/contact guy at the top, power in the middle
1. Brett Gardner, CF
2. DJ LeMahieu, 2B
3. Aaron Judge, RF
4. Giancarlo Stanton, LF
5. Gary Sanchez, C
6. Gleyber Torres, SS
7. Luke Voit, 1B
8. Miguel Andujar, DH
9. Gio Urshela, 3B

option 3: the frisky
1. Brett Gardner, CF
2. DJ LeMahieu, 2B
3. Gleyber Torres, SS
4. Aaron Judge, RF
5. Giancarlo Stanton, LF
6. Gary Sanchez, C
7. Luke Voit, 1B
8. Miguel Andujar, DH
9. Gio Urshela, 3B

unlike the NFL draft talk, there doesn't seem to be a wrong answer here, just a which one is best discussion.
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A Yankees Top 50...  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2020 9:08 am : link
a fun read, even if I disagree with a good bit of it.
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RE: excuse me for using all caps but  
section125 : 1/28/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 14795466 Del Shofner said:
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PITCHERS AND CATCHERS REPORT TWO WEEKS FROM TOMORROW!!!


As beautiful as any words in any sport!
RE: Seriously?  
rich in DC : 1/28/2020 9:38 am : link
In comment 14795707 arniefez said:
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The Yankees are going to add that contract? Is Happ going to the Cubs too?

Any opinions on the Marte trade? I would have thought the Pirates could have done better than that.


I'm guessing that the Yanks have concluded that once you go over the third luxury tax barrier, you may as well go all in. What's another $18.6M once you are over?
Some more speculation  
Matt in SGS : 1/28/2020 9:52 am : link
that he was saying was Andjuar to Atlanta for prospects to stock back down at the farm. Reminiscent of the Mike Lowell trade to the Marlins back in the day for pitching prospects (Ed Yarnall, Mark Johnson, and Todd Noel).

The Lowell trade actually wasn't a bad idea in practice, to add 3 arms (Yarnall was a good prospect), but all 3 of those guys didn't pan out and Lowell became and All Star.

In this case, the Scott Brosius is Gio Urshela.
RE: Some more speculation  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14796123 Matt in SGS said:
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that he was saying was Andjuar to Atlanta for prospects to stock back down at the farm. Reminiscent of the Mike Lowell trade to the Marlins back in the day for pitching prospects (Ed Yarnall, Mark Johnson, and Todd Noel).

The Lowell trade actually wasn't a bad idea in practice, to add 3 arms (Yarnall was a good prospect), but all 3 of those guys didn't pan out and Lowell became and All Star.

In this case, the Scott Brosius is Gio Urshela.


It's certainly a possibility. Atlanta has a ton of pitching prospects. Of course, NYY does too, but not with the hype and (generally) not as close to the bigs as Atlanta's.
Maybe the Yankees are trying to see  
arniefez : 1/28/2020 10:09 am : link
what it would cost to get Arenado. He has a full no trade and force his way to where he wants to play.
Andujar may be in the minors til May to keep his service time down  
BrianLeonard23 : 1/28/2020 10:18 am : link
1. DJ
2. Judge
3. Torres
4. Stanton
5. Voit
6. Sanchez
7. Ford
8. Gio
9. Gardner
Whoever the Yankees targets are  
Bill2 : 1/28/2020 10:26 am : link
They could be waiting until some competitors for talent empty out their bullets for Betts or Lindor or Bryant or Arenado so their own offers are the best of what is left.

If I am Cashman I want ( if I can get it at the right price) a high contact infielder who can play more than one position and one more very good bullpen arm to the Yankees once again vault to the best bullpen in the game level ( its been their MO for a long time and relying on Chapman and Britton without another strong possibility has not been Cashmans MO)
I'd  
Bill2 : 1/28/2020 10:41 am : link
Be on the lookout for getting another catcher
In the system
the funny thing was that, at the time, the Lowell trade was....  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2020 10:42 am : link
...widely considered to be a win for the Yankees. Lowell was considered overaged for a prospect (25 or 26, I think) and Yarnall and Noel were highly regarded. Yarnall was IL Pitcher of the Year and Noel was a fireballer who flirted with triple digits on the gun. As it turned out, Yarnall was a AAAA pitcher and Noel got hurt, and Lowell was better than anyone expected.

I can remember Rob Neyer in particular lauding the deal, saying something like "Brian Cashman fleeced Dave Dombrowski, which should frighten the rest of the league".
RE: I'd  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2020 10:46 am : link
In comment 14796170 Bill2 said:
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Be on the lookout for getting another catcher
In the system


They stashed a couple AAAA types (Erik Kratz, for one), and the farm is percolating a few toward the high minors. Not elite prospects, to be sure, but guys who could end up being quality backups in a year or two.
Higashioka  
BrianLeonard23 : 1/28/2020 10:48 am : link
Don’t you think he’ll be a capable backup?
RE: Some more speculation  
Pheonix Orion : 1/28/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 14796123 Matt in SGS said:
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that he was saying was Andjuar to Atlanta for prospects to stock back down at the farm. Reminiscent of the Mike Lowell trade to the Marlins back in the day for pitching prospects (Ed Yarnall, Mark Johnson, and Todd Noel).

The Lowell trade actually wasn't a bad idea in practice, to add 3 arms (Yarnall was a good prospect), but all 3 of those guys didn't pan out and Lowell became and All Star.

In this case, the Scott Brosius is Gio Urshela.


Andujar is cost controlled and a great hitter, problem is with below average D he is a problematic fit on the team.
I sense the Yankees are trying to  
Bill2 : 1/28/2020 11:03 am : link
Build redundancy in their system.

So it's not doubts about Higgy. It's what happens when Gary misses time ( as happens often enough).

Getting a better 3rd choice if it can be done is not essential but it is a good idea on a wish list. Imo
RE: Higashioka  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14796179 BrianLeonard23 said:
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Don’t you think he’ll be a capable backup?


I have high hopes for him, he killed the ball last year at AAA (of course, so did a lot of other hitters) and he's always been a good pitch framer. But Sanchez will likely hit the DL at some point and it's useful to have some redundancy, as Bill says.
OPS + stats 2019  
JPinstripes : 1/28/2020 11:21 am : link
Definition

OPS+ takes a player's on-base plus slugging percentage and normalizes the number across the entire league. It accounts for external factors like ballparks. It then adjusts so a score of 100 is league average, and 150 is 50 percent better than the league average.

Player 1 / 129
Player 2 / 133

Guess which are Gio and Arenado?



I'm not a fan of "park factors"...  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2020 11:25 am : link
people assert with great confidence what impact a one-off ballpark makes but I just don't buy it. Like defensive metrics they're useful but they're simply not definitive.
I know who each player is  
arniefez : 1/28/2020 11:26 am : link
What are the odds of player 1 improving on those numbers 5 years in a row or player 2 matching those numbers once over the next 5 years?
RE: I'm not a fan of  
JPinstripes : 1/28/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14796229 Dunedin81 said:
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people assert with great confidence what impact a one-off ballpark makes but I just don't buy it. Like defensive metrics they're useful but they're simply not definitive.


Coors Field is definately the exception - you can't dispute the impact of the hitting a baseball at 5,200+ feet above sea level.

Did you ever watch the Firestone PGA Golf Championship where players regularly drive the ball 400+ yards - 70 plus yards more than all the other PGA tour stops on average?
And plenty of guys have gone away from Coors and flopped...  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2020 11:34 am : link
and I doubt even Cashman thought DJLM's 2019 was possible. Just tough to project away from there. Of course, also tough to project Gio coming off a one-off year with a juice ball.
RE: I know who each player is  
JPinstripes : 1/28/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14796231 arniefez said:
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What are the odds of player 1 improving on those numbers 5 years in a row or player 2 matching those numbers once over the next 5 years?


Good question... The answer is simple, it's not worth 260 million dollars to find out - I'll hold Gio and play my hand.
RE: And plenty of guys have gone away from Coors and flopped...  
Pheonix Orion : 1/28/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14796237 Dunedin81 said:
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and I doubt even Cashman thought DJLM's 2019 was possible. Just tough to project away from there. Of course, also tough to project Gio coming off a one-off year with a juice ball.


That's why its critical to look at road splits.
RE: RE: I'm not a fan of  
section125 : 1/28/2020 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14796234 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 14796229 Dunedin81 said:


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people assert with great confidence what impact a one-off ballpark makes but I just don't buy it. Like defensive metrics they're useful but they're simply not definitive.



Coors Field is definately the exception - you can't dispute the impact of the hitting a baseball at 5,200+ feet above sea level.

Did you ever watch the Firestone PGA Golf Championship where players regularly drive the ball 400+ yards - 70 plus yards more than all the other PGA tour stops on average?


Friend of mine lived in Denver area and said add 10% to your drives up in the Rockies..
RE: RE: RE: I'm not a fan of  
Pheonix Orion : 1/28/2020 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14796319 section125 said:
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In comment 14796229 Dunedin81 said:


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people assert with great confidence what impact a one-off ballpark makes but I just don't buy it. Like defensive metrics they're useful but they're simply not definitive.



Coors Field is definately the exception - you can't dispute the impact of the hitting a baseball at 5,200+ feet above sea level.

Did you ever watch the Firestone PGA Golf Championship where players regularly drive the ball 400+ yards - 70 plus yards more than all the other PGA tour stops on average?



Friend of mine lived in Denver area and said add 10% to your drives up in the Rockies..


Its a double whammy. The lack of air resistance both helps the ball travel farther AND takes away from pitches that break. I used to win so many fantasy leagues when the Rockies first came into the league because most people still didn't catch on to just how dramatic the effect was.
RE: RE: And plenty of guys have gone away from Coors and flopped...  
Dunedin81 : 1/28/2020 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14796296 Pheonix Orion said:
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In comment 14796237 Dunedin81 said:


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and I doubt even Cashman thought DJLM's 2019 was possible. Just tough to project away from there. Of course, also tough to project Gio coming off a one-off year with a juice ball.



That's why its critical to look at road splits.


But even road splits aren't entirely predictive because Rockies players tend to do worse on the road than they do before and after their time in Colorado because it's a difficult in-season and game to game transition to make. But yeah, definitely something to look at.
RE: RE: RE: And plenty of guys have gone away from Coors and flopped...  
Pheonix Orion : 1/28/2020 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14796501 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 14796237 Dunedin81 said:


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and I doubt even Cashman thought DJLM's 2019 was possible. Just tough to project away from there. Of course, also tough to project Gio coming off a one-off year with a juice ball.



That's why its critical to look at road splits.



But even road splits aren't entirely predictive because Rockies players tend to do worse on the road than they do before and after their time in Colorado because it's a difficult in-season and game to game transition to make. But yeah, definitely something to look at.


Great point Duned. The home conditions probably screws then up a bit when they go on the road.
So far no movement on whatever trade was rumored...  
Dunedin81 : 1/29/2020 9:31 am : link
either because it didn't exist to begin with, because it is delayed, or because the medicals were problematic.
RE: So far no movement on whatever trade was rumored...  
section125 : 1/29/2020 9:56 am : link
In comment 14797062 Dunedin81 said:
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either because it didn't exist to begin with, because it is delayed, or because the medicals were problematic.


I tend to think it never existed in an realistic term. Not that Cash would look, just that beyond a feeler it never moved.
Kris Bryant has officially  
bigbluehoya : 1/29/2020 10:56 am : link
lost his service time grievance. I have no idea if NYY are really a realistic destination for him, but the unknown has effectively been removed from the equation and his trade market is probably one step closer to resolved.
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