He was still inspiring athletes and mentoring young ones on how to handle fame, how to work, be a pro, etc. His post NBA work was I admired the most, he seemed to genuinely care about young athletes and helping them along
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
NBC is reporting a helicopter crashed in Calabasas and they are still putting out the fire. They are not reporting who's on board. Meanwhile TMZ.com has crashed ( no pun intended )
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
um Len Bias
Roberto Clemente
Clemente might be the closest thing to it. Bias I’d disagree with since his NBA career hadn’t even really started.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
Kobe Bryant, the Los Angeles Lakers superstar and future NBA Hall of Famer, died on Sunday in a helicopter crash. He was 41.
Officials confirm to Variety that Bryant was a passenger on board a helicopter that crashed in the Los Angeles County suburb of Calabasas.
TMZ first reported the news.
A five-time NBA champion with the Lakers, Bryant was considered one of the greatest basketball players of all-time.
He is survived by his wife, Vanessa, and four daughters – Gianna, Natalia and Bianca and Capri.
Story developing… Kobe Bryant Dies in Helicopter Crash - ( New Window )
NBC is reporting a helicopter crashed in Calabasas and they are still putting out the fire. They are not reporting who's on board. Meanwhile TMZ.com has crashed ( no pun intended )
TMZ seems to be getting hammered, but did eventually see the article.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
Ed Delahanty's death in 1903 is the closest thing I can think of. Very popular ballplayer, HOFer. 35 when he died. Details on his Wikipedia page.
Lyman Bostock looked like he was on the way to a HOF career when he was shot. Not a greatest-ever, not an accident. Troy Archer and others have died in accidents but not players or ex-players at Kobe's level
Great players have died of natural causes, like Lou Gehrig, etc. Not accidents.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
So sad if the other 4 people are his daughters. What a tragedy
I have heard 5 people dead. Kobe was traveling with 3 others. That does make sense that it could be his daughters as he just had a baby girl in 2019 so that 4th girl probably was with her mother. Unreal.
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If Kobe is the pilot of his helicopter, it makes sense. Or it could just be 2 or 3 of his daughters were on board. Who knows.
S-76 is complex helicopter, I would think there were 2 pilots. But there can be just one.
Yessir. Either way, I wouldn't get inside one of those things. Even before today, no thanks.
When those tourists drowned in the east river a couple of years ago I told my wife it would have to be an extreme circumstance to get me into a helicopter
...anything about who else was on board. Sports director has known him forever and said a helicopter was his standard form of transport from Newport Beach into LA so not a leisure thing.
...anything about who else was on board. Sports director has known him forever and said a helicopter was his standard form of transport from Newport Beach into LA so not a leisure thing.
Right, they said traveling via plane was just hard on his body.....so the hellicopter was a quick way to get around.
12:35 PM PT -- Kobe's daughter Gianna Maria -- aka GiGi -- was also on board the helicopter and died in the crash ... reps for Kobe tell TMZ Sports. She was 13.
We're told they were on their way to the Mamba Academy for a basketball practice when the crash occurred. The Academy is in nearby Thousand Oaks
Yessir. Either way, I wouldn't get inside one of those things. Even before today, no thanks.
When those tourists drowned in the east river a couple of years ago I told my wife it would have to be an extreme circumstance to get me into a helicopter
Only did once..was at an Air Show and they had $75 rides in a Huey flown by Nam Vets..about 15 minute ride. Gave us a couple of hard turns and a drop...had the doors open and my daughter and I had the seats right next to the door...interesting feeling.
If Kobe is the pilot of his helicopter, it makes sense. Or it could just be 2 or 3 of his daughters were on board. Who knows.
S-76 is complex helicopter, I would think there were 2 pilots. But there can be just one.
Yessir. Either way, I wouldn't get inside one of those things. Even before today, no thanks.
When those tourists drowned in the east river a couple of years ago I told my wife it would have to be an extreme circumstance to get me into a helicopter
Actually in the event of complete engine failure your chances surviving in a helicopter are better than an airplane. That rotor blade will still spins and provides some lift.
12:35 PM PT -- Kobe's daughter Gianna Maria -- aka GiGi -- was also on board the helicopter and died in the crash ... reps for Kobe tell TMZ Sports. She was 13.
We're told they were on their way to the Mamba Academy for a basketball practice when the crash occurred. The Academy is in nearby Thousand Oaks
Just awful. Even after Lebron passed him on scoring list the other day. Kobe is the second greatest basketball player I’ve ever seen play. Prayers to his wife and if any of the kids survived.
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
um Len Bias
Roberto Clemente
Rocky Marciano
Cory Lidle
Junior Seau. Maybe some WWF wrestlers. I don't think there's a real equivalent to this though.
with their twitter accounts need to be taken out back...
Not a Kobe fan but Jesus Christ there are some miserable people out there already trying to make a buck off his death. And now adding his daughter on top of it?
“ Sources: Kobe Bryant was on his way to a travel basketball game with his daughter Gianna when the helicopter crashed. Those aboard the helicopter also included another player and parent.”
Met him and his older daughter last year at his daughter’s volleyball tournament in Vegas. He said he was very down to earth signed lots of autographs.
There’s no words to express the pain Im going through with this tragedy of loosing my neice Gigi & my brother @kobebryant I love u and u will be missed. My condolences goes out to the Bryant family and the families of the other passengers on board. IM SICK RIGHT NOW https://twitter.com/shaq/status/1221549914766954496?s=21 - ( New Window )
But, unfortunately no one is getting out of here alive. I always look at how people react, and in my humble opinion, overreact to the death of a celebrity. I wonder if you asked Kobe - "hey you can have the life you lived and check out at 41 or live a longer, but live a more traditional life?" - which one he would choose?
R.I.P. One of the greatest basketball players ever, did a lot of great things off the court during and after he hung up his sneaks.
NBC news can confirm Kobe’s 13-year-old daughter Gianna was on board along with a teammate of hers and that teammate’s parent. Pilot also dead. Five total. Five lives cut far too short.
I'm not a huge NBA fan and when I root for a team it is the Celtics but Kobe was one of the fiercest athletes I have ever seen but the thing that impressed me about him was how intelligent the guy was. He left high school and dominated the league but was years beyond his age. Spoke multiple languages. Handled the pressure. Could speak on a number of topics. Basketball was just a bridge to get him to bigger and better things. Very sad especially knowing his daughter was on the helicopter. RIP.
I'm not really a basketball fan. But from what I have read about him for what he has done for the game and more importantly his generosity towards his commutiy and his high school, the world is definitely a lesser place without him.
the name of the other family or pilot? I would like to add them to my prayer list tonight.
One person is John Altobelli, Orange Coast College baseball coach.
Is that the pilot or Parent of the other player? The team was probably in the middle or winter workouts too.
So many affected.
There is speculation out there about him being a parent. I can’t confirm. There have been social media posts of the OCC baseball team mourning his loss. Police just mentioned nine people were on board.
my preference is to give everyone a day or two to grieve before you bring up the negative parts of a person's life (unless it's like Hitler or Osama or someone like that).
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
my preference is to give everyone a day or two to grieve before you bring up the negative parts of a person's life (unless it's like Hitler or Osama or someone like that).
But Good God, his wife is now a widow/lost a daughter, his other children are now fatherless, & the rest of his family just lost a son, a brother, a cousin, etc.
Please just keep your negative Kobe takes to yourself.
my preference is to give everyone a day or two to grieve before you bring up the negative parts of a person's life (unless it's like Hitler or Osama or someone like that).
They couldn’t wait to make jokes about our player who was shot in the butt, His best friend died in that incident didn’t seem to matter you see the best and worst of humanity when things like this happen
From the "fake news" of idiots trying to be the first one to report on something to these trolls who have no regard for human life. I just looked at Kobe's last tweet (it was to LeBron) and there are a bunch of fucking trolls celebrating his death and posting some random spam shit just to get attention. It's disgusting. Hell, you can hardly go on You Tube anymore without seeing a bunch of racist, Anti-Semitic, misogynistic comments.
But I digress. Point is, a fucking legendary athlete, his young daughter and several others were killed in a sudden and horrific way and we have truly wastes of life using this tragedy to get attention. Disgraceful. Truly disgraceful.
You know, I remember when 9/11 happened, it brought all of us Americans together. It really unified us. Not to compare this tragedy with 9/11, but I wonder if 9/11 happened in this day and age if we would band together. There's so much vitriol and downright stupidity in the world.
It’s really disappointing that we have devolved so far that people can’t just express condolences when a tragedy occurs, or just shut their mouths for 24 hours if they feel like saying something callous.
RIP to everyone who died in that horrible accident.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
I saw this thread get posted and responded to as it was actually Â
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
Man I assume you do contract law and not trial because sometimes you are truly tone deaf with people.
Maybe you wouldn't have used that phrasing, I probably wouldn't have either, but there is absolutely no way from what he posted that you can determine that he didn't mean that sincerely, and for you to call him out for it and make that assumption is a crappy thing to do.
and for many years, I didn't like Kobe. I swallowed the public scorn whole.
When i got a little older I looked deeper into the Laker legend and found inspiration in the application of the mamba-mentality. After he retired I found it a struggle to watch the Lakers - still do.
To all the loved ones who lost someone in the crash today, my heart weeps for your loss.
Imperfect people. If we weren’t a lot of people wouldn’t be mourned.
Not sure what one gains from shitting on Kobe about an allegation that occurred 15 years ago. Even he did do it, it’s been very evident in his behavior and how he dealt with the WNBA and women’s college basketball that it was more an isolated incident.
There is a such thing as rehabilitation and second chances.
this is without question THE most disgraceful thread I’ve ever seen. When a tragedy happens, it doesn’t matter if you’re a fan or not, if you had a positive or negative opinion of the guy. Nine people lost their lives. You say a prayer, wish the family well, and remind yourself to cherish each day., because tomorrow may never come. Anything else? Keep to yourself, it’s not appropriate today on this thread.
RE: I saw this thread get posted and responded to as it was actually Â
happening in real time, and when I saw the thread title and opened it and saw the first response I thought, "yeah, that would suck, is this for real?"
Nothing wrong with what he said.
+1. I think there is a bit of an overreaction to the comment.
Yes, it does suck. Some people express themselves differently than others.
I think this post was taken out of context. This was posted when there was speculation that he was in a crash, no one knew anything yet. I think the intent of the post was hoping it wasn’t a legit story.
I’m going to be 36 and for the majority of my lifetime Kobe Bryant has been a household name, a superstar and pop culture icon.
I remember watching his first matchup against Jordan. The time he scored 61 at the Garden. His finals matchups with the Celtics.
I’m sad for him, his family, his poor wife who has now lost a husband and a child with 3 more children to care for, 2 of them practically babies. I’m sad for Shaq and Jordan and LeBron and all the rest of the NBA fraternity who must feel like they lost a brother.
This just feels like we’re in the twilight zone. Talking about Kobe in the past tense. Unbelievable.
this is without question THE most disgraceful thread I’ve ever seen. When a tragedy happens, it doesn’t matter if you’re a fan or not, if you had a positive or negative opinion of the guy. Nine people lost their lives. You say a prayer, wish the family well, and remind yourself to cherish each day., because tomorrow may never come. Anything else? Keep to yourself, it’s not appropriate today on this thread.
X100 ..... delete this thread please
The fact that people feel so incredibly strongly either way is why Â
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
Um, okay. This is totally normal. Have a good night, freak.
You and I have had good football discussion over the last few years. So I pose this as a friendly poster - Section 125 seems like a pretty good guy. I don't think his intentions were meant to be provocative or incendiary.
RIP Kobe, Gianna and everyone else on that helicopter. Tomorrow is never guaranteed for anyone. Hug your loved ones or give them a ring if they’re a long distance away
RE: The fact that people feel so incredibly strongly either way is why Â
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
You may have a "thriving private practice" (although I doubt it), but you don't have much skill in expressing a cogent, insightful perspective in writing.
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
I have very similar feelings.
RE: The fact that people feel so incredibly strongly either way is why Â
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
Okay boomer
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
RIP to Kobe, his daughter, and all the others who lost their lives. Â
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
I love BBI.
RE: RE: The fact that people feel so incredibly strongly either way is why Â
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
I have very similar feelings.
it is human nature to identify with famous people and their trials and tragedies. Some call it the celebrity culture. It just is who we are. Of course it isn't perfectly logical. We don't know these people. But we experience life to an extent through there lives, for better or worse. And in the case of Kobe, well he is just bigger than most, at least in the sporting world.
Basketball produces the most iconic athletes, at least in the US. Why? Well one, because it is a 5 on 5 game, and one superstar affects the game more than a superstar can in football (22 x 22) or baseball (9 x 9). The individual superstars in basketball always win the championships, the other games are more team achievements. Two, the athletes are unencumbered by a lot of gear and so we see their faces in close up all the time. Three, basketball has become linked to youth culture in a way other sports aren't. So Kobe, as one of basketball's greatest and most visible 5 players in the last 30 years is iconic. It is like James Dean dying. So people have out-sized feelings about it. They felt they knew him, he occupied a chunk of their lives (time and mental/emotional space). It is no surprise they mourn like they lost a family member or a friend.
I'm not much of a basketball fan and while I think kobe was a phenomenal player I am older and never identified as much with him as many younger fans did. But when Thurman died when I was 14, that really shook me. I was young and it was one of my first encounters with death.
I guess I am saying yes, on some level it doesn't make sense to care so much about someone you don't know but on the other hand, emotions are emotions, and this is how we are wired.
Condolences to the Bryant family. I just woke up to learn about this overseas. Crazy ish man. I'm still learning about it. Some of you folks on this thread need to chill out. Tomorrow is not guaranteed to any of us.
From the "fake news" of idiots trying to be the first one to report on something to these trolls who have no regard for human life. I just looked at Kobe's last tweet (it was to LeBron) and there are a bunch of fucking trolls celebrating his death and posting some random spam shit just to get attention. It's disgusting. Hell, you can hardly go on You Tube anymore without seeing a bunch of racist, Anti-Semitic, misogynistic comments.
But I digress. Point is, a fucking legendary athlete, his young daughter and several others were killed in a sudden and horrific way and we have truly wastes of life using this tragedy to get attention. Disgraceful. Truly disgraceful.
You know, I remember when 9/11 happened, it brought all of us Americans together. It really unified us. Not to compare this tragedy with 9/11, but I wonder if 9/11 happened in this day and age if we would band together. There's so much vitriol and downright stupidity in the world.
Cesspool - A LONG time ago. Sad.
There was nothing whatsoever wrong with what section125 said Â
You are threatening me? Internet tough guy right there. Sorry you don’t agree with me on a subject, cupcake
There’s just no point in having this opinion at this time, unless you made up a new handle to do so and just enjoy the attention of being contrarian.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you all that much, but you had to know that posting this at this time would get you what you’re getting in response (and what you deserve to be honest). Enjoy it because it’s clearly what you’re after.
Not after anything. No I don’t expect to be threatened by unhinged lunatics simply because of a different opinion. I have a wife and three daughters. I have dealt with this shit with people close to me. Sorry, I don’t get the hero worship of him. It’s sad what happened to his daughter and everyone on the plane, but again I don’t get the hero worship.
to yourself at this point. It’s not worth expressing at this moment. Maybe later on? Whether it deserves to be brought up later is a valid question but it’s kind of silly to expect people to be ok with what you’re saying right now.
I suppose that’s happened a few times considering you just joined for this glorious moment.
"get the hero worship". It's more about sniping at people who are dealing with something traumatic and fresh. You are choosing this day to badger people who were fans of an iconic athlete. Awful.
This getting compared to the death of Princess Diana Â
Not after anything. No I don’t expect to be threatened by unhinged lunatics simply because of a different opinion. I have a wife and three daughters. I have dealt with this shit with people close to me. Sorry, I don’t get the hero worship of him. It’s sad what happened to his daughter and everyone on the plane, but again I don’t get the hero worship.
so what? other do view him as a hero. it is polite and decent to let them grieve without your vitriol.
Wow someone above clearly ran out of their medication Â
Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
Get off your high horse. You're the one assuming he meant it in the same way as "a trade or shitty signing." No one else took it that way.
Everyone expresses and deals with grief differently. Sure, some people say things like "I express my sincere and deepest condolences," and that's fine. But for some that can feel too formal and cliche for something that really just strikes them on a deep visceral level, and maybe instead they feel they can't truly encapsulate how awful something feels other than to simply say "this fucking sucks."
This is the worst I've felt upon hearing the news of anyone famous passing away in my entire lifetime, and I'm especially heart-broken that his daughter was with him and perished as well. When I texted my friend about it I at one point said something like "it's all so fucking shitty," which is similar to saying it "sucks." Today does suck, a lot.
Can we all please move on? This thread has lost its meaning. Â
It’s always sad when we lose people, but watching how many people this has affected is heartbreaking. Kobe touched a lot of lives. Was an inspiration to nearly the entire league of basketball players...past and present.
Didn’t realize that games that were being played today started off with both teams taking a delay of game penalty - 24 seconds. Nice tribute. Had to be incredibly emotional for many to be able to play today. So sad for everyone on that helicopter.
One of those days you pray and hope TMZ jumped the gun Â
You and I have had good football discussion over the last few years. So I pose this as a friendly poster - Section 125 seems like a pretty good guy. I don't think his intentions were meant to be provocative or incendiary.
Section does seem like a good guy, but initially, that comment rubbed me the wrong way. However, I apologize to him if I misconstrued his post. Some people do express grief and shock in different manners and I should've considered that before jumping down his throat and reacting viscerally and rash. It's been a rough day and the last thing I want to do is be the morality police.
two parents, mom and dad died on that plane. The son i believe is a scout for the Sox. He is left with no parents and sister.
let that sink in when you make such shitty comments in a thread where people just are mourning 1 of the 9 people.
Why? No one who knew these people are going to see anything said here nor will it have any impact on those who lost the loved ones yesterday. This is just an anonymous message board where people express opinions. Let's not give it more importance than reality dictates
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two parents, mom and dad died on that plane. The son i believe is a scout for the Sox. He is left with no parents and sister.
let that sink in when you make such shitty comments in a thread where people just are mourning 1 of the 9 people.
Why? No one who knew these people are going to see anything said here nor will it have any impact on those who lost the loved ones yesterday. This is just an anonymous message board where people express opinions. Let's not give it more importance than reality dictates
Still unreal. It's going to take some time to accept this. Two 13 years old too...
Just heartbreaking.
Hands down, yesterday was the saddest, most shocking day in sports I think I've ever experienced.
Kobe was a larger than life figure. He seemed invincible, this almost doesn't seem possible. You figured we'd be hearing his thoughts on the game for 40 more years
I loved watching his career. He was MJ for a younger generation of players and fans. His post-playing career was fascinating and inspiring, the work he was doing coaching youth basketball and teaching his daughter. It's hard to fathom, it's surreal. 9 lives lost, it's incredibly sad. Damnit
I have to be honest, I wouldn't call myself a fan of his,
but he was such a great competitor, similar to a Jordan
in that respect. As A Celts fan, watched some great battles. I saw how Doc had trouble speaking yesterday,
and I was moved by that too. I feel for Kobe's young family as well, RIP Kobe and his daughter.
the guy in the left corner of the photo was a baseball coach in Mass. I heard it on the news here locally.
First it was reported, there were five people, then nine.
Just a sad day!
I never was a huge fan of his, but I respected his abilities, the time he put into his craft, & his competitiveness.
And he admitted at first he sort of tuned out of basketball post retirement, but that his 13 year old helped bring his love back.
Yeah I was a huge fan, I'm 28 so he was a big part of my childhood. You never feel quite the same about your favorite athletes as you do when you're a kid growing up. So yesterday was definitely a punch to the gut thinking back on childhood and the fun times had watching Kobe.
But as you said, you didn't need to be a Kobe/Lakers fan to appreciate and respect him as a player. The dedication he put into basketball and all of his ventures in retirement was really great. He was a bit of a throwback athlete in that way, with that competitive spirit, win at all costs.
Definitely a "where were you when" kind of moment. And to think about his daughter being with him, along with seven others that have heartbroken families and friends mourning them today, it's difficult to even fathom. Such a tragedy. Life is short
pretty damn difficult to replicate the JFK thing. My parents remember it because they were at school and everything stopped and teachers were crying and a nation mourned.
I think it also depends on how you heard the news. I just got back from the grocery store and my wife told me what the news said. I probably won't remember that 5 years from now. I only remember a few notable deaths anyway, either because of the age i was or the location. For Thurman Munson, WPIX broke in with a special report. I was on the floor in the living room. For the Challenger, I was in a classroom watching live when it happened. When Michael Jackson died, my wife and I were in Munich and it came on the German news. When Whitney Houston died, I was in Hong Kong and an Irish Pub had it on the TV. When Robin Williams died, I was in Fargo, ND at a restaurant where the place gasped when it was announced.
Being at home and not hearing the news first hand, this will likely fade from memory.
am I comparing it to a President being assassinated. But I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more shocking sports related moment than this one. Before my time, but I imagine this is on a level similar to Thurman Munson. My dad still references that shock level.
but I vividly remember the Challenger explosion and when it happened, some people thought it was a planned thing, like losing a booster engine, but I looked at my teacher, and she knew what had happened and started to panic on how to react. Whether she should shut off the TV or let it play out.
When she turned to the assistant and started whispering, I knew what had happened.
My wife and I were dating when Princess Diana died Â
she lived in Brooklyn and I was in Queens, she was heading home from our date that night and I was walking back from the grocery store when a neighbor grabbed me, sobbing, and told me that Diana had died.
I don't think she was impressed with my reaction either. Not that I didn't feel bad for her or had anything against her, but I had zero connection. Mildly surprised was about where I'd put my grief level.
am I comparing it to a President being assassinated. But I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more shocking sports related moment than this one. Before my time, but I imagine this is on a level similar to Thurman Munson. My dad still references that shock level.
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For me personally, Thurman is the worst as it relates to
a sports related death. I have cried a few times over the
years, especially the ten year anniversary of his death.
As I have said before, my favorite Yankee player of all time, that will never change!
Definitely didn't mean to compare it to JFK obviously, but I will remember where I was when I heard yesterday. Just a 'WTF? Really? No, that's gotta be wrong' moment for me as a sports fan.
Especially with three children involved. Those poor families. I can't imagine what Vanessa Bryant and the families of the other victims have gone through.
I read through a lot of this thread and it's surprising the varying opinions on this.
Kobe wasn't a perfect person, nobody is. But, he still did a lot of good in this world and inspired a lot of people, whether he inspired you or not. If we decided not to mourn people with imperfections or who have made poor choices in their life, I don't think we would have anyone left to mourn.
Definitely didn't mean to compare it to JFK obviously, but I will remember where I was when I heard yesterday. Just a 'WTF? Really? No, that's gotta be wrong' moment for me as a sports fan.
Yup you’re spot on. I was never a huge Kobe fan - didnt dislike him, just didn’t root for him. But I think “larger than life” is an apt description.
I lived in SoCal from 2000-2005, during a big part of the Kobe/Shaq/Jax Lakers era, and the obsession with the Lakers in LA was a whole another level. Laker games, referred to as the “Lake Show” (pretty silly IMO), were an event. Most people I knew out there planned their weeks around watching Laker games during basketball season.
Admittedly, made me hate the Lakers, same way people grew to hate the Yankees, or the Pats of the last 20 years. But also makes me understand the emotions and magnitude of yesterday’s tragedy, and what Kobe meant to so many people. He was a real life superhero to many people.
It would be the equivalent of this happening to Jeter, or Eli, for me as a Yankees/Giants fan. And you’re 100% right, it will always be one of those things where you remember where/how you heard the news.
I also think it’s fair, when contemplating the sum total of his life, to at least reference the Colorado accusation and it’s aftermath. But not on this thread and not yet, IMHO
9 people died tragically, including some kids, that’s the story for now, and it’s an awful one.
I place it alongside Munson's death. I wasn't a Yankees fan but a close friend was (and since I was a huge baseball fan, I knew what a huge deal this was) - his parents planned their evenings around WPIX telecasts. They were all in. I remember walking into their living room and seeing them staring at the TV.
While tragic and sad for me it is far from highest level of impact Â
9/11 is head and shoulders above anything else, nothing even remotely close to it. That really shook me.
Challenger still stands out in my mind vividly. I can replay it all in my mind.
And while I was probably too young to feel real grief over, the Robert Kennedy and MLK assassinations were events I knew were enormous and historical that would impact the country.
And while I was even younger the JFK assassination still stand out in my mind to this day, probably even more than with Robert Kennedy and MLK. I can remember watching the funeral procession and events for what felt like days. Of course there wasn't cable and there weren't too many channels and they all seemed to be covering it. But it was just different than anything else and even though I was young it was our president and I could tell everyone was mourning.
For myself, I would put Kobe dying unexpectedly on par with the same level of shock of JFK JR's plane going down.
This is big. I'll remember where I was when I heard about Kobe Bryant and his daughter's death until the day I die. I remember where I was for Cory Lidle, as well.
I remember Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson, 9/11, Chris Benoit's interesting story and the day Harambe was killed.
I lived in SoCal from 2000-2005, during a big part of the Kobe/Shaq/Jax Lakers era, and the obsession with the Lakers in LA was a whole another level. Laker games, referred to as the “Lake Show” (pretty silly IMO), were an event. Most people I knew out there planned their weeks around watching Laker games during basketball season.
2000-2005 were my salad years, loved them. This is when there was a point to watching the NBA.
Reading various news accounts now that more details are coming out - it's very unfortunate that whoever was making the decision chose to proceed with the flight. It was so foggy that the LAPD actually grounded their entire helicopter fleet, and the Kobe copter had to fly under special protocols with the assistance of ground control. Maybe when they took off, they didn't know what they were going to fly into - I'm sure that will come out from the NTSB.
This is big. I'll remember where I was when I heard about Kobe Bryant and his daughter's death until the day I die. I remember where I was for Cory Lidle, as well.
I remember Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson, 9/11, Chris Benoit's interesting story and the day Harambe was killed.
What was the weather like when Harambe was killed?
Reading various news accounts now that more details are coming out - it's very unfortunate that whoever was making the decision chose to proceed with the flight. It was so foggy that the LAPD actually grounded their entire helicopter fleet, and the Kobe copter had to fly under special protocols with the assistance of ground control. Maybe when they took off, they didn't know what they were going to fly into - I'm sure that will come out from the NTSB.
Just unimaginably terrible in any event.
Unfortunate that these deaths probably resulted from poor decision making. They had no business flying that day. Just unnecessary.
As someone who was never a huge Kobe fan, this still hurts so much.
In terms of global popularity he is Top 3 all time and probably 2nd. His impact in the Asian market is just ridiculous. There’s an argument to be made he’s more popular than Jordan in Asia. And Kobe’s European background and ability to speak multiple languages always made him a popular player among Europeans. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kobe had more jerseys in South America than any other NBA player.
He was clearly an iconic athlete. But it was hard to understand how vast his imprint went until this tragedy. I learned of this news from my sister who isn’t a sports fan. She texted me “Did you hear about Kobe” around 3pm yesterday. Anytime you read/hear a question like that, you think the worst. My mother was talking to me about it. As I walked out of Penn Station this morning, I watched dozens of people of all types take pictures of Kobe’s memorial ad in front of the station in NYC aka the other side of the country from where Kobe made his name. And at work, people who I know don’t give a shit about sports were talking to me about this.
There was a tribute to him by the players and fans at the Pro Bowl. There was Tiger Woods in golf talking about Kobe. There was Kyrgios in tennis paying tribute to Kobe by wearing his #8 jersey before his AO match last night with Nadal. There was Neymar in soccer throwing up the 2-4 after he scored a goal. There was every NBA team taking an initial 24 sec violation in honor of him. There was fucking Obama and Trump commenting and paying respect on Twitter.
The word transcendent gets thrown around a lot. But as sad as it fucking is, we found out how transcendent this man was. Despite all his faults, his imprint will be lasting and never forgotten. Legend.
Reading various news accounts now that more details are coming out - it's very unfortunate that whoever was making the decision chose to proceed with the flight. It was so foggy that the LAPD actually grounded their entire helicopter fleet, and the Kobe copter had to fly under special protocols with the assistance of ground control. Maybe when they took off, they didn't know what they were going to fly into - I'm sure that will come out from the NTSB.
Just unimaginably terrible in any event.
My guess is the pilot thight they could fly low until they got to the hills and thought the fog would of lifted by the time they got there..
When they got there he tried to go up but lost track or where he was and by the time he decided to try and turn back they were surrounded by hills and he got confused on which way was up and which way was down...
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RIP
I’d wait for more authoritative sources. TMZ has jumped a bit on false deaths in the past.
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TMZ is much more reliable then ESPN.
If TMZ reports it, it's true.
The link below takes you to their homepage which is featuring this as its top story
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I’d wait for more authoritative sources. TMZ has jumped a bit on false deaths in the past.
I can’t remember TMZ being wrong about celebrity deaths before.
RIP
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Kobe Bryant was indeed a passenger and he perished in the crash.
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Roberto Clemente
Kobe Bryant was indeed a passenger and he perished in the crash.
I dont see any tweets from the NBA account about it
And TMZs site is working for me.
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Roberto Clemente
Clemente might be the closest thing to it. Bias I’d disagree with since his NBA career hadn’t even really started.
No one there is asking for confirmation....
Thurman munson
Officials confirm to Variety that Bryant was a passenger on board a helicopter that crashed in the Los Angeles County suburb of Calabasas.
TMZ first reported the news.
A five-time NBA champion with the Lakers, Bryant was considered one of the greatest basketball players of all-time.
He is survived by his wife, Vanessa, and four daughters – Gianna, Natalia and Bianca and Capri.
Story developing…
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@wojespn
Kobe Bryant is among those dead in a helicopter crash outside Los Angeles, a source confirms to ESPN.
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TMZ seems to be getting hammered, but did eventually see the article.
And NBA TV is showing games from last night with nothing even on the bottom of the screen. Disgraceful.
Ed Delahanty's death in 1903 is the closest thing I can think of. Very popular ballplayer, HOFer. 35 when he died. Details on his Wikipedia page.
Lyman Bostock looked like he was on the way to a HOF career when he was shot. Not a greatest-ever, not an accident. Troy Archer and others have died in accidents but not players or ex-players at Kobe's level
Great players have died of natural causes, like Lou Gehrig, etc. Not accidents.
I think this is unique. Anyone?
People still watch ESPN??
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And NBA TV is showing games from last night with nothing even on the bottom of the screen. Disgraceful.
Probably just waiting for confirmation - can't screw this up.
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And NBA TV is showing games from last night with nothing even on the bottom of the screen. Disgraceful.
Probably just waiting for confirmation - can't screw this up.
Yeah they cannot report until confirmed, cannot CNN it.
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Roberto Clemente
Rocky Marciano
Cory Lidle
OMG.
OMG.
Nooo..now that is brutal.
Horrific tragedy.
OMG.
Oh no. That’s so sad.
OMG.
Yeah I thought I might've misheard that. Can't find corroboration. horrific if true
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OMG.
Oh no. That’s so sad.
I hope that's not true...JHC.
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If it was his private helicopter he was more than likely the pilot
Shocking and sad and reminder of fragility of life one hour to the next and days on and on.
I have heard 5 people dead. Kobe was traveling with 3 others. That does make sense that it could be his daughters as he just had a baby girl in 2019 so that 4th girl probably was with her mother. Unreal.
So sad. News report I read said his wife and kids were NOT on board.
his wife must be sick
@WPLGLocal10
#UPDATE Kobe Bryant's 4 daughters reportedly among those killed in helicopter crash http://bit.ly/38FTtlJ?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wplg10
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I really hope this is just more fake news from ABC....would make a sad day even worse if true
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#UPDATE Kobe Bryant's 4 daughters reportedly among those killed in helicopter crash http://bit.ly/38FTtlJ?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wplg10
They were just repeating ABC
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Unless he was the pilot.
kobe=pilot
If Kobe is the pilot of his helicopter, it makes sense. Or it could just be 2 or 3 of his daughters were on board. Who knows.
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Unless he was the pilot.
Then we'd be in JFK Jr territory...
They said it on an ABC special report around 3:05 during the pro bowl.
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Sources have confirmed that neither #Bryant’s wife or children were on board of the helicopter that crashed.
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how would Kobe + pilot + 4 daughters make sense?
If Kobe is the pilot of his helicopter, it makes sense. Or it could just be 2 or 3 of his daughters were on board. Who knows.
S-76 is complex helicopter, I would think there were 2 pilots. But there can be just one.
FWIW
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how would Kobe + pilot + 4 daughters make sense?
If Kobe is the pilot of his helicopter, it makes sense. Or it could just be 2 or 3 of his daughters were on board. Who knows.
S-76 is complex helicopter, I would think there were 2 pilots. But there can be just one.
Yessir. Either way, I wouldn't get inside one of those things. Even before today, no thanks.
okay, so thats great news. means his daughters probably werent on board
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how would Kobe + pilot + 4 daughters make sense?
If Kobe is the pilot of his helicopter, it makes sense. Or it could just be 2 or 3 of his daughters were on board. Who knows.
S-76 is complex helicopter, I would think there were 2 pilots. But there can be just one.
Yessir. Either way, I wouldn't get inside one of those things. Even before today, no thanks.
When those tourists drowned in the east river a couple of years ago I told my wife it would have to be an extreme circumstance to get me into a helicopter
Right, they said traveling via plane was just hard on his body.....so the hellicopter was a quick way to get around.
We're told they were on their way to the Mamba Academy for a basketball practice when the crash occurred. The Academy is in nearby Thousand Oaks
Yes. I read this as well.
Yessir. Either way, I wouldn't get inside one of those things. Even before today, no thanks.
When those tourists drowned in the east river a couple of years ago I told my wife it would have to be an extreme circumstance to get me into a helicopter
Only did once..was at an Air Show and they had $75 rides in a Huey flown by Nam Vets..about 15 minute ride. Gave us a couple of hard turns and a drop...had the doors open and my daughter and I had the seats right next to the door...interesting feeling.
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how would Kobe + pilot + 4 daughters make sense?
If Kobe is the pilot of his helicopter, it makes sense. Or it could just be 2 or 3 of his daughters were on board. Who knows.
S-76 is complex helicopter, I would think there were 2 pilots. But there can be just one.
Yessir. Either way, I wouldn't get inside one of those things. Even before today, no thanks.
When those tourists drowned in the east river a couple of years ago I told my wife it would have to be an extreme circumstance to get me into a helicopter
Actually in the event of complete engine failure your chances surviving in a helicopter are better than an airplane. That rotor blade will still spins and provides some lift.
Point made through entire thread..that no one takes heed. Just shows mindset of this world
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#BREAKING: Kobe's daughter Gianna Maria was also on board the helicopter and died in the crash http://tmz.me/ngAw1tO
We're told they were on their way to the Mamba Academy for a basketball practice when the crash occurred. The Academy is in nearby Thousand Oaks
Unbelievable
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#BREAKING: Kobe's daughter Gianna Maria was also on board the helicopter and died in the crash http://tmz.me/ngAw1tO
TMZ is most reliable news source there is. I believe this over the ABC 4 daughter report.
Just Awful.
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#BREAKING: Kobe's daughter Gianna Maria was also on board the helicopter and died in the crash http://tmz.me/ngAw1tO
Horrible news.
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BREAKING: His daughter is confirmed dead too. KobeBryant Dead, Dies http://tmz.com/2020/01/26/kob
Hold your love ones tight tonight.
This really is surreal. I don't know what to even say. I was thinking of him yesterday when LBJ passed him for 3rd overall in scoring.
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Roberto Clemente
Rocky Marciano
Cory Lidle
Junior Seau. Maybe some WWF wrestlers. I don't think there's a real equivalent to this though.
A very sad day for all of sports, and just an awful tragedy and horrible for his family.
Yeah, that's a no.
Not a Kobe fan but Jesus Christ there are some miserable people out there already trying to make a buck off his death. And now adding his daughter on top of it?
Awful.
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Rocky Marciano
RIP
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People here in Philly love him.
What a tragic day.
But, unfortunately no one is getting out of here alive. I always look at how people react, and in my humble opinion, overreact to the death of a celebrity. I wonder if you asked Kobe - "hey you can have the life you lived and check out at 41 or live a longer, but live a more traditional life?" - which one he would choose?
R.I.P. One of the greatest basketball players ever, did a lot of great things off the court during and after he hung up his sneaks.
RIP and may God keep his family strong.
Two children.
One person is John Altobelli, Orange Coast College baseball coach.
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One person is John Altobelli, Orange Coast College baseball coach.
Is that the pilot or Parent of the other player? The team was probably in the middle or winter workouts too.
So many affected.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession
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the name of the other family or pilot? I would like to add them to my prayer list tonight.
One person is John Altobelli, Orange Coast College baseball coach.
Is that the pilot or Parent of the other player? The team was probably in the middle or winter workouts too.
So many affected.
There is speculation out there about him being a parent. I can’t confirm. There have been social media posts of the OCC baseball team mourning his loss. Police just mentioned nine people were on board.
ABC news also stating 9 people on board
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession
While you are correct, if feels weird to bash right now. Think of the family's.
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Clemente. Munson.
+1
He was still a human being.
He also clearly tried to do some positive things in his life.
Anywhere from 4-8 other people died, not just the person committed/accused of rape.
Please just keep your negative Kobe takes to yourself.
I'm going to hold my family tighter tonight.
No day is promised.
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Sheriff here says the manifest of helicopter crash that killed Kobe Bryant indicates 9 people were aboard.
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Actually, to alot of people he IS a hero. So, you are factually incorrect.
January 2020.
Wrong again. Case was dropped.
That means there’s three other passengers that have not been identified
Bunch of miserable fucks.. he is dead. It's over and there are three other kids who lost their father and a sister.
Give it a rest would you?
That means there’s three other passengers that have not been identified
Sad
You surprised? 2020 trolls.
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Some of these posts are truly disgusting
You surprised? 2020 trolls.
Even the first post on this thread.
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absolutely suck..."
So callous and distasteful.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
But I digress. Point is, a fucking legendary athlete, his young daughter and several others were killed in a sudden and horrific way and we have truly wastes of life using this tragedy to get attention. Disgraceful. Truly disgraceful.
You know, I remember when 9/11 happened, it brought all of us Americans together. It really unified us. Not to compare this tragedy with 9/11, but I wonder if 9/11 happened in this day and age if we would band together. There's so much vitriol and downright stupidity in the world.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
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It's not. Proven to be of a different crash.
in the comments they say it is video of a crash from a year ago in the UAE.
Britt, look at the posts following what he said. Shock, grief, even denial. "That would suck" isn't exactly a knee-jerk reaction.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
C'mon man. Of course it would suck. And it does suck. What is inappropriate about it?
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
Altobellli, wife and child included.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
RIP to everyone who died in that horrible accident.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
Nothing wrong with what he said.
Nothing wrong with what he said.
yeah... I had no issue with that because he had good intent. It was some of the other posts afterwards that...well... I am not surprised.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
Man I assume you do contract law and not trial because sometimes you are truly tone deaf with people.
Maybe you wouldn't have used that phrasing, I probably wouldn't have either, but there is absolutely no way from what he posted that you can determine that he didn't mean that sincerely, and for you to call him out for it and make that assumption is a crappy thing to do.
RIP to all who perished in this accident. Terrible.
You didn't know, don't worry about it Capone
When i got a little older I looked deeper into the Laker legend and found inspiration in the application of the mamba-mentality. After he retired I found it a struggle to watch the Lakers - still do.
To all the loved ones who lost someone in the crash today, my heart weeps for your loss.
Not sure what one gains from shitting on Kobe about an allegation that occurred 15 years ago. Even he did do it, it’s been very evident in his behavior and how he dealt with the WNBA and women’s college basketball that it was more an isolated incident.
There is a such thing as rehabilitation and second chances.
A person none of us presumably know died. It kicks in our own sense of mortality, our memories and fears of grief and loss.
For some us it's particularly sad if we cheered for, enjoyed, or admired this someone we didn't know.
These discussions don't need to devolve into value propositions of grading how one must react.
Nothing wrong with what he said.
+1. I think there is a bit of an overreaction to the comment.
Yes, it does suck. Some people express themselves differently than others.
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happening in real time, and when I saw the thread title and opened it and saw the first response I thought, "yeah, that would suck, is this for real?"
Nothing wrong with what he said.
+1. I think there is a bit of an overreaction to the comment.
Yes, it does suck. Some people express themselves differently than others.
I think this post was taken out of context. This was posted when there was speculation that he was in a crash, no one knew anything yet. I think the intent of the post was hoping it wasn’t a legit story.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
When the report is still unverified at the time? Absolutely.
I’m going to be 36 and for the majority of my lifetime Kobe Bryant has been a household name, a superstar and pop culture icon.
I remember watching his first matchup against Jordan. The time he scored 61 at the Garden. His finals matchups with the Celtics.
I’m sad for him, his family, his poor wife who has now lost a husband and a child with 3 more children to care for, 2 of them practically babies. I’m sad for Shaq and Jordan and LeBron and all the rest of the NBA fraternity who must feel like they lost a brother.
This just feels like we’re in the twilight zone. Talking about Kobe in the past tense. Unbelievable.
X100 ..... delete this thread please
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
Um, okay. This is totally normal. Have a good night, freak.
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
You may have a "thriving private practice" (although I doubt it), but you don't have much skill in expressing a cogent, insightful perspective in writing.
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
I have very similar feelings.
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
Okay boomer
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
I love BBI.
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I have a thriving private practice!
Who gives a shit if someone does care or doesn’t care? Are people that sensitive to what others think? Why does it matter if someone on a message board focuses more on his legal struggles than him being a sports hero. “How dare, you, he was flawed but had a family”! “ How dare you, he was most likely a rapist as well!” “How dare you, the charge was dropped”! He’s a basketball player who no one ever met.
And the fact that he has family or a kid died? Shit, I could roll off literally hundreds of stories from being a psychotherapist JUST at the school I work at and private practice, of heartbreaking stuff and people usually don’t stop to notice. Good for you folks that live in a world where this makes you cherish your family more - man, I could really blow your minds on what happens behind the scenes in “everytown, USA”. It’s no different than someone dying in a car accident with their kid. It’s super shitty, of course - but if he weren’t a great basketball player, would everyone be having such a reaction? People connect people to experiences they had - not even memories, since we don’t hold information that we’ll - and then it comes flying out when shit like this happens. It’s like someone hits a play button on our crappy, lo fi, tape recorders.
Everyone is very morally conscientious. Bravo! Outrage culture keeps my job outlook alive and well!
I have very similar feelings.
it is human nature to identify with famous people and their trials and tragedies. Some call it the celebrity culture. It just is who we are. Of course it isn't perfectly logical. We don't know these people. But we experience life to an extent through there lives, for better or worse. And in the case of Kobe, well he is just bigger than most, at least in the sporting world.
Basketball produces the most iconic athletes, at least in the US. Why? Well one, because it is a 5 on 5 game, and one superstar affects the game more than a superstar can in football (22 x 22) or baseball (9 x 9). The individual superstars in basketball always win the championships, the other games are more team achievements. Two, the athletes are unencumbered by a lot of gear and so we see their faces in close up all the time. Three, basketball has become linked to youth culture in a way other sports aren't. So Kobe, as one of basketball's greatest and most visible 5 players in the last 30 years is iconic. It is like James Dean dying. So people have out-sized feelings about it. They felt they knew him, he occupied a chunk of their lives (time and mental/emotional space). It is no surprise they mourn like they lost a family member or a friend.
I'm not much of a basketball fan and while I think kobe was a phenomenal player I am older and never identified as much with him as many younger fans did. But when Thurman died when I was 14, that really shook me. I was young and it was one of my first encounters with death.
I guess I am saying yes, on some level it doesn't make sense to care so much about someone you don't know but on the other hand, emotions are emotions, and this is how we are wired.
Condolences to the Bryant family. I just woke up to learn about this overseas. Crazy ish man. I'm still learning about it. Some of you folks on this thread need to chill out. Tomorrow is not guaranteed to any of us.
You are a fucking asshole, you piece of shit muthafucker! I wish I could be in front of you and beat the shit out of you.... What a fuck stick
But I digress. Point is, a fucking legendary athlete, his young daughter and several others were killed in a sudden and horrific way and we have truly wastes of life using this tragedy to get attention. Disgraceful. Truly disgraceful.
You know, I remember when 9/11 happened, it brought all of us Americans together. It really unified us. Not to compare this tragedy with 9/11, but I wonder if 9/11 happened in this day and age if we would band together. There's so much vitriol and downright stupidity in the world.
Cesspool - A LONG time ago. Sad.
There’s just no point in having this opinion at this time, unless you made up a new handle to do so and just enjoy the attention of being contrarian.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you all that much, but you had to know that posting this at this time would get you what you’re getting in response (and what you deserve to be honest). Enjoy it because it’s clearly what you’re after.
I suppose that’s happened a few times considering you just joined for this glorious moment.
People who don’t even know much about basketball are feeling this. Truely sad.
so what? other do view him as a hero. it is polite and decent to let them grieve without your vitriol.
Then it kind of spiraled.
Hopefully we can get back on track and realize that the sports world lost a great.
And that multiple families lost husbands fathers sons wives mothers daughters etc.
This is about them.
Not us and our "hot takes".
Was the exact reaction I had as the story was being reported and pieced together.
You're an asshole because you want to make/are making an incident that many people are mourning about yourself.
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Have we ever seen someone who was one of the best players ever in their sport and super popular die in a tragic accident at such a young age? I’m trying to think of something similar but I just can’t.
um Len Bias
This is a spectacularly crappy comparison.
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being facetious?? It does suck that Kobe died.
There are a lot of shitty posts here. That one by section 125 isn't an example of that.
You think it's appropriate that one's first reaction to a death of an iconic figure is "boy, that would suck"?
Let's get real here.
Some people do use the expression "that sucks" to express profound disappointment.
I don't see the problem with that post.
Seems at best, apathetic and at worse, callous to me.
This is a very, very strange take...
Why? Because other people had more sincere, visceral reactions and one person didn't?
Because (a) there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said and (b) what the fuck do you care what other people’s reactions are? And who are you to judge whether they are sincere enough? You’re being a weirdo.
Fuck you, Chris. Seriously, fuck you. Someone posts a thread on a tragedy and the first reaction is it would suck? Like it's a fucking trade or a shitty signing?
This conversation is over. It's disrespectful to the memory of Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and the other people who perished.
Get off your high horse. You're the one assuming he meant it in the same way as "a trade or shitty signing." No one else took it that way.
Everyone expresses and deals with grief differently. Sure, some people say things like "I express my sincere and deepest condolences," and that's fine. But for some that can feel too formal and cliche for something that really just strikes them on a deep visceral level, and maybe instead they feel they can't truly encapsulate how awful something feels other than to simply say "this fucking sucks."
This is the worst I've felt upon hearing the news of anyone famous passing away in my entire lifetime, and I'm especially heart-broken that his daughter was with him and perished as well. When I texted my friend about it I at one point said something like "it's all so fucking shitty," which is similar to saying it "sucks." Today does suck, a lot.
Didn’t realize that games that were being played today started off with both teams taking a delay of game penalty - 24 seconds. Nice tribute. Had to be incredibly emotional for many to be able to play today. So sad for everyone on that helicopter.
Pretty futile I was grasping at straws in hope against hope.
Rest In Peace to all those who perished.
Section does seem like a good guy, but initially, that comment rubbed me the wrong way. However, I apologize to him if I misconstrued his post. Some people do express grief and shock in different manners and I should've considered that before jumping down his throat and reacting viscerally and rash. It's been a rough day and the last thing I want to do is be the morality police.
I apologize.
people lost their lives. its tragic regardless of what you feel about a celebrity..
and yes you are an asshole.
"On Friday, Jones was asked why he chose to wear No. 8 among the many numbers offered to him by the Giants.
“Old Kobe, I guess,” he replied"
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Iverson... lol.
Life is effing crazy.
I will keep them all in my thoughts and prayers...
Just so that you are consistent, I presume you condemn our very own child rapist, LT.
9 people were taken from this world way too early and that’s just an absolutely horrible tragedy.
RIP to all of them. Prayers for their families and loved ones.
9 people were taken from this world way too early and that’s just an absolutely horrible tragedy.
RIP to all of them. Prayers for their families and loved ones.
Exactly. Amen.
let that sink in when you make such shitty comments in a thread where people just are mourning 1 of the 9 people.
I know they haven’t been on speaking terms
Just heartbreaking.
let that sink in when you make such shitty comments in a thread where people just are mourning 1 of the 9 people.
Why? No one who knew these people are going to see anything said here nor will it have any impact on those who lost the loved ones yesterday. This is just an anonymous message board where people express opinions. Let's not give it more importance than reality dictates
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two parents, mom and dad died on that plane. The son i believe is a scout for the Sox. He is left with no parents and sister.
let that sink in when you make such shitty comments in a thread where people just are mourning 1 of the 9 people.
Why? No one who knew these people are going to see anything said here nor will it have any impact on those who lost the loved ones yesterday. This is just an anonymous message board where people express opinions. Let's not give it more importance than reality dictates
wow
Just heartbreaking.
Yeah man...this is really sad. Those poor families and what they are going through right now.
Life is effing crazy.
Because of the kids, for me anyway.
I know they haven’t been on speaking terms
I didn’t know that. That would add another layer of sadness to this.
Just heartbreaking.
Hands down, yesterday was the saddest, most shocking day in sports I think I've ever experienced.
Kobe was a larger than life figure. He seemed invincible, this almost doesn't seem possible. You figured we'd be hearing his thoughts on the game for 40 more years
I loved watching his career. He was MJ for a younger generation of players and fans. His post-playing career was fascinating and inspiring, the work he was doing coaching youth basketball and teaching his daughter. It's hard to fathom, it's surreal. 9 lives lost, it's incredibly sad. Damnit
but he was such a great competitor, similar to a Jordan
in that respect. As A Celts fan, watched some great battles. I saw how Doc had trouble speaking yesterday,
and I was moved by that too. I feel for Kobe's young family as well, RIP Kobe and his daughter.
First it was reported, there were five people, then nine.
Just a sad day!
I never was a huge fan of his, but I respected his abilities, the time he put into his craft, & his competitiveness.
And he admitted at first he sort of tuned out of basketball post retirement, but that his 13 year old helped bring his love back.
I never was a huge fan of his, but I respected his abilities, the time he put into his craft, & his competitiveness.
And he admitted at first he sort of tuned out of basketball post retirement, but that his 13 year old helped bring his love back.
Yeah I was a huge fan, I'm 28 so he was a big part of my childhood. You never feel quite the same about your favorite athletes as you do when you're a kid growing up. So yesterday was definitely a punch to the gut thinking back on childhood and the fun times had watching Kobe.
But as you said, you didn't need to be a Kobe/Lakers fan to appreciate and respect him as a player. The dedication he put into basketball and all of his ventures in retirement was really great. He was a bit of a throwback athlete in that way, with that competitive spirit, win at all costs.
Definitely a "where were you when" kind of moment. And to think about his daughter being with him, along with seven others that have heartbroken families and friends mourning them today, it's difficult to even fathom. Such a tragedy. Life is short
I think it also depends on how you heard the news. I just got back from the grocery store and my wife told me what the news said. I probably won't remember that 5 years from now. I only remember a few notable deaths anyway, either because of the age i was or the location. For Thurman Munson, WPIX broke in with a special report. I was on the floor in the living room. For the Challenger, I was in a classroom watching live when it happened. When Michael Jackson died, my wife and I were in Munich and it came on the German news. When Whitney Houston died, I was in Hong Kong and an Irish Pub had it on the TV. When Robin Williams died, I was in Fargo, ND at a restaurant where the place gasped when it was announced.
Being at home and not hearing the news first hand, this will likely fade from memory.
When she turned to the assistant and started whispering, I knew what had happened.
I don't think she was impressed with my reaction either. Not that I didn't feel bad for her or had anything against her, but I had zero connection. Mildly surprised was about where I'd put my grief level.
For me personally, Thurman is the worst as it relates to
a sports related death. I have cried a few times over the
years, especially the ten year anniversary of his death.
As I have said before, my favorite Yankee player of all time, that will never change!
I read through a lot of this thread and it's surprising the varying opinions on this.
Kobe wasn't a perfect person, nobody is. But, he still did a lot of good in this world and inspired a lot of people, whether he inspired you or not. If we decided not to mourn people with imperfections or who have made poor choices in their life, I don't think we would have anyone left to mourn.
Yup you’re spot on. I was never a huge Kobe fan - didnt dislike him, just didn’t root for him. But I think “larger than life” is an apt description.
I lived in SoCal from 2000-2005, during a big part of the Kobe/Shaq/Jax Lakers era, and the obsession with the Lakers in LA was a whole another level. Laker games, referred to as the “Lake Show” (pretty silly IMO), were an event. Most people I knew out there planned their weeks around watching Laker games during basketball season.
Admittedly, made me hate the Lakers, same way people grew to hate the Yankees, or the Pats of the last 20 years. But also makes me understand the emotions and magnitude of yesterday’s tragedy, and what Kobe meant to so many people. He was a real life superhero to many people.
It would be the equivalent of this happening to Jeter, or Eli, for me as a Yankees/Giants fan. And you’re 100% right, it will always be one of those things where you remember where/how you heard the news.
I also think it’s fair, when contemplating the sum total of his life, to at least reference the Colorado accusation and it’s aftermath. But not on this thread and not yet, IMHO
9 people died tragically, including some kids, that’s the story for now, and it’s an awful one.
Challenger still stands out in my mind vividly. I can replay it all in my mind.
And while I was probably too young to feel real grief over, the Robert Kennedy and MLK assassinations were events I knew were enormous and historical that would impact the country.
And while I was even younger the JFK assassination still stand out in my mind to this day, probably even more than with Robert Kennedy and MLK. I can remember watching the funeral procession and events for what felt like days. Of course there wasn't cable and there weren't too many channels and they all seemed to be covering it. But it was just different than anything else and even though I was young it was our president and I could tell everyone was mourning.
For myself, I would put Kobe dying unexpectedly on par with the same level of shock of JFK JR's plane going down.
I remember Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson, 9/11, Chris Benoit's interesting story and the day Harambe was killed.
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I lived in SoCal from 2000-2005, during a big part of the Kobe/Shaq/Jax Lakers era, and the obsession with the Lakers in LA was a whole another level. Laker games, referred to as the “Lake Show” (pretty silly IMO), were an event. Most people I knew out there planned their weeks around watching Laker games during basketball season.
2000-2005 were my salad years, loved them. This is when there was a point to watching the NBA.
Reading various news accounts now that more details are coming out - it's very unfortunate that whoever was making the decision chose to proceed with the flight. It was so foggy that the LAPD actually grounded their entire helicopter fleet, and the Kobe copter had to fly under special protocols with the assistance of ground control. Maybe when they took off, they didn't know what they were going to fly into - I'm sure that will come out from the NTSB.
Just unimaginably terrible in any event.
I remember Heath Ledger, Michael Jackson, 9/11, Chris Benoit's interesting story and the day Harambe was killed.
What was the weather like when Harambe was killed?
Reading various news accounts now that more details are coming out - it's very unfortunate that whoever was making the decision chose to proceed with the flight. It was so foggy that the LAPD actually grounded their entire helicopter fleet, and the Kobe copter had to fly under special protocols with the assistance of ground control. Maybe when they took off, they didn't know what they were going to fly into - I'm sure that will come out from the NTSB.
Just unimaginably terrible in any event.
Unfortunate that these deaths probably resulted from poor decision making. They had no business flying that day. Just unnecessary.
That is something.
In terms of global popularity he is Top 3 all time and probably 2nd. His impact in the Asian market is just ridiculous. There’s an argument to be made he’s more popular than Jordan in Asia. And Kobe’s European background and ability to speak multiple languages always made him a popular player among Europeans. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Kobe had more jerseys in South America than any other NBA player.
He was clearly an iconic athlete. But it was hard to understand how vast his imprint went until this tragedy. I learned of this news from my sister who isn’t a sports fan. She texted me “Did you hear about Kobe” around 3pm yesterday. Anytime you read/hear a question like that, you think the worst. My mother was talking to me about it. As I walked out of Penn Station this morning, I watched dozens of people of all types take pictures of Kobe’s memorial ad in front of the station in NYC aka the other side of the country from where Kobe made his name. And at work, people who I know don’t give a shit about sports were talking to me about this.
There was a tribute to him by the players and fans at the Pro Bowl. There was Tiger Woods in golf talking about Kobe. There was Kyrgios in tennis paying tribute to Kobe by wearing his #8 jersey before his AO match last night with Nadal. There was Neymar in soccer throwing up the 2-4 after he scored a goal. There was every NBA team taking an initial 24 sec violation in honor of him. There was fucking Obama and Trump commenting and paying respect on Twitter.
The word transcendent gets thrown around a lot. But as sad as it fucking is, we found out how transcendent this man was. Despite all his faults, his imprint will be lasting and never forgotten. Legend.
Reading various news accounts now that more details are coming out - it's very unfortunate that whoever was making the decision chose to proceed with the flight. It was so foggy that the LAPD actually grounded their entire helicopter fleet, and the Kobe copter had to fly under special protocols with the assistance of ground control. Maybe when they took off, they didn't know what they were going to fly into - I'm sure that will come out from the NTSB.
Just unimaginably terrible in any event.
My guess is the pilot thight they could fly low until they got to the hills and thought the fog would of lifted by the time they got there..
When they got there he tried to go up but lost track or where he was and by the time he decided to try and turn back they were surrounded by hills and he got confused on which way was up and which way was down...
I'm sure they'll do something.