He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Won’t happen. I refuse to get behind that only to be crushed when it doesn’t. He’s the only guy I’d ignore OL for.
All it takes is one team to logically conclude that young is the best player in this draft. The skins are that team and they don’t want a qb. I’d bet the farm they take young even if a team offered their entire draft. Skins need the hr pick.
We would have a shot at Allen and no way we would take a QB at #6. Soooooo there's a chance
I don’t think its the same. I know I never said or felt that Allen was never ever going to slip. There was also some chance Allen would fall a little. It was a bit of a stretch yes, but not like this.
on Young where he's the "most likely to succeed" prospect in this draft. Very little downside.
I'd have to imagine if he's there at #4 Gettleman sets the record for the fastest card ever submitted.
This is not meant as a knock on Young, but he has a ways to go to find success in the NFL. He is a size/speek freak with incredible bend. But he lacks technique at this point. Some teams may look at that positively, as he was very productive without an array of pass rush moves. But, with only few exceptions, for the most part the disruption he caused in the games I watched was from him running around the edge and beating collegiate tackles. It is much, much harder to do that in the NFL and succeed regularly,
The best defensive player for OSU in the CFB was Okudah, and it wasn't particularly close in my mind. Okudah did a number on everyone he covered in that game, including Tee Higgins, who is a round 1/2 prospect. (In a typical draft Higgins would go Round 1; in this draft, he may slip slightly due to the WR depth.) He would be an awesome get for the Giants.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
just a year ago he was considered a slam dunk #1 pick. Many still view him as the next Drew Brees. I don't care how good you think Chase Young is, he is not as good as Drew Brees. There is a chance that Washington takes Tua or deals the pick for a haul. People keep assuming Detroit is in the catbird seat, really it is Washington.
He has a bit of the “almost” quality that Leonard Williams displays . Against Wisconsin , Michigan & Clemson he “almost “ gets there . He’s obviously faster than Williams . He can rush from both sides and he can rush inside . He’s excellent playing the read option .
But he’s not as good as Nick Bosa, in my opinion . At 4, sure . But he probably won’t be there . And I see Simmons as more of a situational player-I’m wary of the Swiss Army Knife characterization as being necessarily a compliment.
I’m thinking Mr G will go OT if the Giants remain where they are . Passing on Okudah would hurt , because unlike Baker , he has the requisite speed to be a true shut down corner .
He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Possible but not very probable in my view.
Since at least 1990 3 QBs have gone in the first six picks only once. That was in 1990 when QBs went 1, 2, 3. Consider that Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger didn’t even all go in the top 10, or even 2 in the top 3.
He has a bit of the “almost” quality that Leonard Williams displays . Against Wisconsin , Michigan & Clemson he “almost “ gets there . He’s obviously faster than Williams . He can rush from both sides and he can rush inside . He’s excellent playing the read option .
But he’s not as good as Nick Bosa, in my opinion . At 4, sure . But he probably won’t be there . And I see Simmons as more of a situational player-I’m wary of the Swiss Army Knife characterization as being necessarily a compliment.
I’m thinking Mr G will go OT if the Giants remain where they are . Passing on Okudah would hurt , because unlike Baker , he has the requisite speed to be a true shut down corner .
I disagree. There was nothing "almost" about the 16.5 sacks he had in 9 games to start this past season. To me it felt like we were just so used to him getting multiple sacks every game that the let down of the last 3 games made it feel like a bigger drop-off than it was.
Those teams you mentioned (Michigan, Wisconsin, Clemson) like you said all had good o-lines, but they also made a point in their game plans to not let Young take over the game. In fact against Wisconsin he had 4 sacks and 5 TFL just a few weeks prior! So of course they were going to make sure he didn't do that again in the conf. championship game.
And, Michigan literally doubled him the entire game and stuck to their game plan in that regard. Young even said he was surprised at how they made a point to double him every play compared to other teams. I believe Wisconsin and Clemson then basically repeated the Michigan blueprint (both games were after the Michigan game). But even if he wasn't getting sacks, the fact they had to account for him still impacted the game. He actually still had a pretty good game the 2nd time against Wisconsin even without getting a sack. The fact he kept "almost" getting to the QB during that stretch was actually impressive to me considering he was battling 2 on 1s almost every single play against some of the best o-lines in the country.
Bosa in 2017 had 8.5 sacks in 14 games, so clearly he got blanked plenty of times, and then he barely even played in 2018. Then you put him on a front like the SF D has with Dee Ford and others in a great scheme designed by Saleh, and offenses can't only focus on Bosa, hence he had a fantastic season. But I fully believe if you put Chase Young on that same defense this past season he would have been every bit as good as Bosa was. Just my two cents.
He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Possible but not very probable in my view.
Since at least 1990 3 QBs have gone in the first six picks only once. That was in 1990 when QBs went 1, 2, 3. Consider that Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger didn’t even all go in the top 10, or even 2 in the top 3.
Well, the Giants were set to take Big Ben at 4 if Eli could not be obtained. And the top 6 is an arbitrary mark. I think 3 went in the top 7 in the Luck-RG3-Tannehill draft, and there were others were several went in the top 7 or 8. In 2018, didn't 3 go in the top 7 also (and 4 in the top 10).
In this day and age, with QBs on a cost controlled basis for 4 (now 5 years), teams make moves to get the guys they want. Is last year the new norm? Maybe. But years' past tell you that if you want a QB in the 1st, you are absolutely going to have to move up to get that guy. The Rams, Eagles, Chiefs, Texans, Bills, and Ravens all made monumental moves up to get those guys. The Jets gave up a slew of premium picks to move up from 6 to 3 - and the Colts used those picks to get Nelson at 6 and one second round pick to get Braden Smith. OL problem solved.
There is a lot of depth in the draft this year. We would only need to move down to 6 or 7 and still collect a nice amount of picks. At 6 or 7, we could get a premium WR or OL. And, if we get an extra second - we could use one of those two extra picks on another OL. We can almost definitely get a highly rated tackle and center in the first two rounds and then have more picks to address other needs, if we move down.
He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Won’t happen. I refuse to get behind that only to be crushed when it doesn’t. He’s the only guy I’d ignore OL for.
All it takes is one team to logically conclude that young is the best player in this draft. The skins are that team and they don’t want a qb. I’d bet the farm they take young even if a team offered their entire draft. Skins need the hr pick.
Well I've been the one to say that there's no way Washington is trading out of #2. But hypothetically, if the Dolphins offer all 3 of their first rounders, and no less, that's the only way. And there is at least a slim chance they could do that if they believe that's what it would take to land their QB of choice, which I still believe is Tua.
Should that happen, all bets are off, because Herbert, with the year he had and the strong week at the Senior Bowl, reasonably could go at #3, either to Detroit or another team.
I still believe the chance is scant, but I can't rule it out completely.
Should that happen, yes, you take Young without question.
That kind of haul has to be appetizing to the Redskins, who could come away with Okudah, OL, and a Shinault or Chaisson or Gross-Matos.
It's almost better for us if the Skins stay home. I said ALMOST!
This is a unique draft so I don't really care what has happened in draft history.
There are 3 QBs that have at one point been considered a #1 overall QB prospect. Burrow obviously has solidified his status as the #1 overall pick, and it wasn't too long ago that Tua was considered that guy. And Herbert was talked about as a candidate for #1 overall prior to that, before his stock dropped somewhat, but who seems to be rising.
Couple those facts with teams with a lot of draft capital this year and clear need of a QB, and it's pretty close to the perfect storm for this scenario to take shape. It's still a long shot, but much crazier things have happened.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
If a team at #5 or later is sold on Tua, I think they offer the "haul" to Washington at #2 (since it is very likely Burrow goes #1 to the Bengals). Waiting until he fall to #4 is very risky with other teams looking to trade up into either #2 and #3.
If you are Miami, at that point you are either waiting until #5, or giving up something (but not a haul) to move up one slot. The only reasonable possibility I see for the Giants to get a haul is if Tua is still there at #4 and a team like the Jaguars, Panthers or Chargers want to jump the Dolphins and there is an actual bidding war. But keep in mind, these same teams weren't willing to give up what it would take to get the #2 or #3 pick, so they likely aren't selling out like Washington did to get RGIII several years ago.
It is not impossible that we trade down out of #4 for a QB hungry team, but I don't think it is likely.
The Giants have drafted in the first round Lawrence at 17 and Baker at 27before that Eli Apple (laugh ) imo the Only way the giants do not go defense is if they take Andrew Thomas OT
He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
That's the only way he ends up on the Giants. Because if a video of him with a gas mask bong surfaces to drop his stock, the Giants will likely pass on him too - we've seen it before.
Seriously. Don't waste your time on scenarios and what ifs and maybes. He's not getting past #2, no one is trading everything for a one legged runt of a QB coming off multiple lower body injuries and no one is moving up for Herbert.
Seriously. Don't waste your time on scenarios and what ifs and maybes. He's not getting past #2, no one is trading everything for a one legged runt of a QB coming off multiple lower body injuries and no one is moving up for Herbert.
We have many needs and cannot reach for a player when we need OL, DL, and other impact roles needing to fill, and possibly depth , well everywhere.....
Seriously. Don't waste your time on scenarios and what ifs and maybes. He's not getting past #2, no one is trading everything for a one legged runt of a QB coming off multiple lower body injuries and no one is moving up for Herbert.
This is not meant as a knock on Young, but he has a ways to go to find success in the NFL. He is a size/speek freak with incredible bend. But he lacks technique at this point. Some teams may look at that positively, as he was very productive without an array of pass rush moves. But, with only few exceptions, for the most part the disruption he caused in the games I watched was from him running around the edge and beating collegiate tackles. It is much, much harder to do that in the NFL and succeed regularly,
The best defensive player for OSU in the CFB was Okudah, and it wasn't particularly close in my mind. Okudah did a number on everyone he covered in that game, including Tee Higgins, who is a round 1/2 prospect. (In a typical draft Higgins would go Round 1; in this draft, he may slip slightly due to the WR depth.) He would be an awesome get for the Giants.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
It's the chicken and the egg thing here - what helps pass defense more? Good coverage or good pass rush? I'm in the camp of solving the pass rush more. And if you do, you don't need a bunch of Darrell Revises on the outside.
So I see enough in Young's skill set to bank on his upside over Okudah.
Teams will definitely explore trading up for Herbert. There will be offers. The question is will they be good enough to get teams to pass on the player available to them at the time.
Young is talented but was he really double-teamed in those Â
This is not meant as a knock on Young, but he has a ways to go to find success in the NFL. He is a size/speek freak with incredible bend. But he lacks technique at this point. Some teams may look at that positively, as he was very productive without an array of pass rush moves. But, with only few exceptions, for the most part the disruption he caused in the games I watched was from him running around the edge and beating collegiate tackles. It is much, much harder to do that in the NFL and succeed regularly,
The best defensive player for OSU in the CFB was Okudah, and it wasn't particularly close in my mind. Okudah did a number on everyone he covered in that game, including Tee Higgins, who is a round 1/2 prospect. (In a typical draft Higgins would go Round 1; in this draft, he may slip slightly due to the WR depth.) He would be an awesome get for the Giants.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
It's the chicken and the egg thing here - what helps pass defense more? Good coverage or good pass rush? I'm in the camp of solving the pass rush more. And if you do, you don't need a bunch of Darrell Revises on the outside.
So I see enough in Young's skill set to bank on his upside over Okudah.
You pick the best player. I agree that pass rush is more important than coverage on the outside. If you hit the QB, he can't throw anywhere. If you don't he can avoid your stalwart CB. That said, look at what the legion of boom did to teams with that back 7.
All I was saying with my post was that Chase Young right now just runs around the edge to get his sacks. He did make one nice move inside against Clemson, but really he just beat guys around the edge to cause disruption. Things don't work that way in the NFL.
My cousin is a huge Ohio State fan, sees every game Â
That the Skins are sold on Haskins? Could be a Cards/Rosen situation.
Nope. Rivera has not committed to Haskins. And I don't think they are making him keep him if he doesn't want to. That's from the reporting I've heard down here.
There is always a chance he falls because 3 teams that want a QB move up to get one and QBs go 1, 2 & 3. Its not a likely scenario. I dont think there is a chance that any of the teams ahead of us pass on him for another positional player so if 3 QBs dont get taken then we have no shot.
Okudah may be the better player but pass rushers hold better value. Its very rare to see a CB go that high but we have seen ER go #1 over QBs.
I think its all wishful thinking. If all of these coaches were so high on Jones last year then why did he last till 6 when it seems many teams knew we liked him. No one wants to show their hand in case a huge offer comes their way but more than likely you will see Burrow at #1 and Young at #2. #3 may be a QB because teams know we are not taking one and if they want to get ahead of Miami its the most likely spot.
Ideally the Giants do a trade before the draft with a team in the 5,6,7 range and are able to get a 2nd 1st rounder.
says he has concerns about Young. says he's a one trick pony as mentioned above
Well, it's a pretty good trick.
The question is can he be coached to add more. Does his raw talent base suggest that with time and coaching he'll grow into a more prolific player. I have a hard time not saying Yes to this. That Young will just get better over time...
used in a innovative defensive approach. He has a sideline to sideline skill set and is a multiple position player with decent size that could increase in an NFL program. Looks like he will be there at #4. right. now.
There is no chance.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
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He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Possible but not very probable in my view.
I'd have to imagine if he's there at #4 Gettleman sets the record for the fastest card ever submitted.
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He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Won’t happen. I refuse to get behind that only to be crushed when it doesn’t. He’s the only guy I’d ignore OL for.
All it takes is one team to logically conclude that young is the best player in this draft. The skins are that team and they don’t want a qb. I’d bet the farm they take young even if a team offered their entire draft. Skins need the hr pick.
I don’t think its the same. I know I never said or felt that Allen was never ever going to slip. There was also some chance Allen would fall a little. It was a bit of a stretch yes, but not like this.
Allen wasn’t the prospect Young is and I liked Allen a lot.
Allen wasn’t even the best ER prospect in his class.
I'd have to imagine if he's there at #4 Gettleman sets the record for the fastest card ever submitted.
This is not meant as a knock on Young, but he has a ways to go to find success in the NFL. He is a size/speek freak with incredible bend. But he lacks technique at this point. Some teams may look at that positively, as he was very productive without an array of pass rush moves. But, with only few exceptions, for the most part the disruption he caused in the games I watched was from him running around the edge and beating collegiate tackles. It is much, much harder to do that in the NFL and succeed regularly,
The best defensive player for OSU in the CFB was Okudah, and it wasn't particularly close in my mind. Okudah did a number on everyone he covered in that game, including Tee Higgins, who is a round 1/2 prospect. (In a typical draft Higgins would go Round 1; in this draft, he may slip slightly due to the WR depth.) He would be an awesome get for the Giants.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
But he’s not as good as Nick Bosa, in my opinion . At 4, sure . But he probably won’t be there . And I see Simmons as more of a situational player-I’m wary of the Swiss Army Knife characterization as being necessarily a compliment.
I’m thinking Mr G will go OT if the Giants remain where they are . Passing on Okudah would hurt , because unlike Baker , he has the requisite speed to be a true shut down corner .
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He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Possible but not very probable in my view.
Since at least 1990 3 QBs have gone in the first six picks only once. That was in 1990 when QBs went 1, 2, 3. Consider that Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger didn’t even all go in the top 10, or even 2 in the top 3.
But he’s not as good as Nick Bosa, in my opinion . At 4, sure . But he probably won’t be there . And I see Simmons as more of a situational player-I’m wary of the Swiss Army Knife characterization as being necessarily a compliment.
I’m thinking Mr G will go OT if the Giants remain where they are . Passing on Okudah would hurt , because unlike Baker , he has the requisite speed to be a true shut down corner .
I disagree. There was nothing "almost" about the 16.5 sacks he had in 9 games to start this past season. To me it felt like we were just so used to him getting multiple sacks every game that the let down of the last 3 games made it feel like a bigger drop-off than it was.
Those teams you mentioned (Michigan, Wisconsin, Clemson) like you said all had good o-lines, but they also made a point in their game plans to not let Young take over the game. In fact against Wisconsin he had 4 sacks and 5 TFL just a few weeks prior! So of course they were going to make sure he didn't do that again in the conf. championship game.
And, Michigan literally doubled him the entire game and stuck to their game plan in that regard. Young even said he was surprised at how they made a point to double him every play compared to other teams. I believe Wisconsin and Clemson then basically repeated the Michigan blueprint (both games were after the Michigan game). But even if he wasn't getting sacks, the fact they had to account for him still impacted the game. He actually still had a pretty good game the 2nd time against Wisconsin even without getting a sack. The fact he kept "almost" getting to the QB during that stretch was actually impressive to me considering he was battling 2 on 1s almost every single play against some of the best o-lines in the country.
Bosa in 2017 had 8.5 sacks in 14 games, so clearly he got blanked plenty of times, and then he barely even played in 2018. Then you put him on a front like the SF D has with Dee Ford and others in a great scheme designed by Saleh, and offenses can't only focus on Bosa, hence he had a fantastic season. But I fully believe if you put Chase Young on that same defense this past season he would have been every bit as good as Bosa was. Just my two cents.
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He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Possible but not very probable in my view.
Since at least 1990 3 QBs have gone in the first six picks only once. That was in 1990 when QBs went 1, 2, 3. Consider that Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger didn’t even all go in the top 10, or even 2 in the top 3.
Well, the Giants were set to take Big Ben at 4 if Eli could not be obtained. And the top 6 is an arbitrary mark. I think 3 went in the top 7 in the Luck-RG3-Tannehill draft, and there were others were several went in the top 7 or 8. In 2018, didn't 3 go in the top 7 also (and 4 in the top 10).
In this day and age, with QBs on a cost controlled basis for 4 (now 5 years), teams make moves to get the guys they want. Is last year the new norm? Maybe. But years' past tell you that if you want a QB in the 1st, you are absolutely going to have to move up to get that guy. The Rams, Eagles, Chiefs, Texans, Bills, and Ravens all made monumental moves up to get those guys. The Jets gave up a slew of premium picks to move up from 6 to 3 - and the Colts used those picks to get Nelson at 6 and one second round pick to get Braden Smith. OL problem solved.
There is a lot of depth in the draft this year. We would only need to move down to 6 or 7 and still collect a nice amount of picks. At 6 or 7, we could get a premium WR or OL. And, if we get an extra second - we could use one of those two extra picks on another OL. We can almost definitely get a highly rated tackle and center in the first two rounds and then have more picks to address other needs, if we move down.
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He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
Won’t happen. I refuse to get behind that only to be crushed when it doesn’t. He’s the only guy I’d ignore OL for.
All it takes is one team to logically conclude that young is the best player in this draft. The skins are that team and they don’t want a qb. I’d bet the farm they take young even if a team offered their entire draft. Skins need the hr pick.
Well I've been the one to say that there's no way Washington is trading out of #2. But hypothetically, if the Dolphins offer all 3 of their first rounders, and no less, that's the only way. And there is at least a slim chance they could do that if they believe that's what it would take to land their QB of choice, which I still believe is Tua.
Should that happen, all bets are off, because Herbert, with the year he had and the strong week at the Senior Bowl, reasonably could go at #3, either to Detroit or another team.
I still believe the chance is scant, but I can't rule it out completely.
Should that happen, yes, you take Young without question.
That kind of haul has to be appetizing to the Redskins, who could come away with Okudah, OL, and a Shinault or Chaisson or Gross-Matos.
It's almost better for us if the Skins stay home. I said ALMOST!
There are 3 QBs that have at one point been considered a #1 overall QB prospect. Burrow obviously has solidified his status as the #1 overall pick, and it wasn't too long ago that Tua was considered that guy. And Herbert was talked about as a candidate for #1 overall prior to that, before his stock dropped somewhat, but who seems to be rising.
Couple those facts with teams with a lot of draft capital this year and clear need of a QB, and it's pretty close to the perfect storm for this scenario to take shape. It's still a long shot, but much crazier things have happened.
If the 'Skins are dumb enough to pass on him at 2 the Lions will take Young at 3.
And no, Allen is not a good comp. While he did fall a few spots last year, no one was calling him the best player in the draft.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
If a team at #5 or later is sold on Tua, I think they offer the "haul" to Washington at #2 (since it is very likely Burrow goes #1 to the Bengals). Waiting until he fall to #4 is very risky with other teams looking to trade up into either #2 and #3.
If you are Miami, at that point you are either waiting until #5, or giving up something (but not a haul) to move up one slot. The only reasonable possibility I see for the Giants to get a haul is if Tua is still there at #4 and a team like the Jaguars, Panthers or Chargers want to jump the Dolphins and there is an actual bidding war. But keep in mind, these same teams weren't willing to give up what it would take to get the #2 or #3 pick, so they likely aren't selling out like Washington did to get RGIII several years ago.
It is not impossible that we trade down out of #4 for a QB hungry team, but I don't think it is likely.
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He’s not sliding to 3 unless something beyond crazy goes down from now until late April. And if something that crazy were to occur then the giants aren’t taking him at 4 either.
There is no chance.
First 3 picks could go QB forcing him to 4 which is a possiblilty
That's the only way he ends up on the Giants. Because if a video of him with a gas mask bong surfaces to drop his stock, the Giants will likely pass on him too - we've seen it before.
what precedent? Allen was never the prospect Young was or is and the Giants needed a young QB.
Oh, I forgot, they set the precedent that teams rarely do what the mock drafters insist upon. yes, they set a precedent.
They won't pass on Young. Because they won't even get a chance to pass on young. He's not slipping to 4 unless he murders someone.
I think you are way off-base.
We have many needs and cannot reach for a player when we need OL, DL, and other impact roles needing to fill, and possibly depth , well everywhere.....
Thank you!
I said QWill and/or Allen could fall to us, no way on Bosa.
I would not be shocked if QB goes 1-3.
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I said QWill and/or Allen could fall to us, no way on Bosa.
I would not be shocked if QB goes 1-3.
I would.
This is not meant as a knock on Young, but he has a ways to go to find success in the NFL. He is a size/speek freak with incredible bend. But he lacks technique at this point. Some teams may look at that positively, as he was very productive without an array of pass rush moves. But, with only few exceptions, for the most part the disruption he caused in the games I watched was from him running around the edge and beating collegiate tackles. It is much, much harder to do that in the NFL and succeed regularly,
The best defensive player for OSU in the CFB was Okudah, and it wasn't particularly close in my mind. Okudah did a number on everyone he covered in that game, including Tee Higgins, who is a round 1/2 prospect. (In a typical draft Higgins would go Round 1; in this draft, he may slip slightly due to the WR depth.) He would be an awesome get for the Giants.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
It's the chicken and the egg thing here - what helps pass defense more? Good coverage or good pass rush? I'm in the camp of solving the pass rush more. And if you do, you don't need a bunch of Darrell Revises on the outside.
So I see enough in Young's skill set to bank on his upside over Okudah.
Nevertheless, make the phone calls and get some offers to trade down so all potential value paths are examined.
Then do the opposite of what DG thinks... :-)
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This is not meant as a knock on Young, but he has a ways to go to find success in the NFL. He is a size/speek freak with incredible bend. But he lacks technique at this point. Some teams may look at that positively, as he was very productive without an array of pass rush moves. But, with only few exceptions, for the most part the disruption he caused in the games I watched was from him running around the edge and beating collegiate tackles. It is much, much harder to do that in the NFL and succeed regularly,
The best defensive player for OSU in the CFB was Okudah, and it wasn't particularly close in my mind. Okudah did a number on everyone he covered in that game, including Tee Higgins, who is a round 1/2 prospect. (In a typical draft Higgins would go Round 1; in this draft, he may slip slightly due to the WR depth.) He would be an awesome get for the Giants.
At the present time, the Giants pick 4th, which means that one of Burrow, Young, Okudah, or Tua will be available with the Giants' pick. It is a virtual no lose situation for them. If Tua is the one left, and he has proven his health to NFL teams, Gettleman should be offered a haul for the pick. Whether he bites is anyone's guess, as the guy has literally never traded down. But still.
It's the chicken and the egg thing here - what helps pass defense more? Good coverage or good pass rush? I'm in the camp of solving the pass rush more. And if you do, you don't need a bunch of Darrell Revises on the outside.
So I see enough in Young's skill set to bank on his upside over Okudah.
You pick the best player. I agree that pass rush is more important than coverage on the outside. If you hit the QB, he can't throw anywhere. If you don't he can avoid your stalwart CB. That said, look at what the legion of boom did to teams with that back 7.
All I was saying with my post was that Chase Young right now just runs around the edge to get his sacks. He did make one nice move inside against Clemson, but really he just beat guys around the edge to cause disruption. Things don't work that way in the NFL.
Nope. Rivera has not committed to Haskins. And I don't think they are making him keep him if he doesn't want to. That's from the reporting I've heard down here.
Okudah may be the better player but pass rushers hold better value. Its very rare to see a CB go that high but we have seen ER go #1 over QBs.
I think its all wishful thinking. If all of these coaches were so high on Jones last year then why did he last till 6 when it seems many teams knew we liked him. No one wants to show their hand in case a huge offer comes their way but more than likely you will see Burrow at #1 and Young at #2. #3 may be a QB because teams know we are not taking one and if they want to get ahead of Miami its the most likely spot.
Ideally the Giants do a trade before the draft with a team in the 5,6,7 range and are able to get a 2nd 1st rounder.
They were all "can't miss" prospects as well. There are no guarantees.
Well, it's a pretty good trick.
The question is can he be coached to add more. Does his raw talent base suggest that with time and coaching he'll grow into a more prolific player. I have a hard time not saying Yes to this. That Young will just get better over time...