Yesterday’s Super Bowl convinced me that if we have a chance to draft Jeff Okudah, do it.....even if it means Chase Young is available.
A great OT will take out Young in a big game, and chances are, a team you play in the SB Will have great tackles. Just like last night, you hardly even heard Bosa’s name being called. He had little effect on the outcome of the game.
However, a great shutdown CB who can take out the opposing best WR is clearly much more invaluable. If SF had a guy like Okudah to cover THill, do you think Hill would have been all by himself 50 yards down the field like he was last night on that huge 3rd and 15 play? I don’t think so.
Bottom line: the Great CB is important and has an impact on every passing Down. The EDGE rusher may have an impact on 1-2 plays (sacks) although if you count hurries, depending on how close he was to sacking the qb, that number may increase a bit. Even still, I’d much rather have a guy who gives me a chance to marginalize the opponents best passing weapon on every passing play. His name is JEFF OKUDAH. I’m hoping Detroit gets stupid and trades out to some team who wants a qb.
We need impact players on all levels of the defense. Okudah, Young, Simmons are three guys we would be fortunate to get any one of them IMO. All have potential to be huge difference makers.
Agree with you 100%. I think the OP was at a party and missed a lot of the game. Boss was all over the field and was disruptive on every snap, until the 3nd. The Giants need someone like this.
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I don’t see a stat labeled HURRIES but I did not have the tv on mute and I didn’t hear his name mentioned much. I did hear Sherman’s name mentioned a lot.
I’m not saying an EDGE guy is unimportant....I’m saying a GREAT CB > a GREAT EDGE guy probably because a GREAT OT will marginalize the GREAT EDGE GUY, like last night.
Ohio State CB Jeff Okudah vs Clemson (Fiesta Bowl) - ( New Window )
Yes I watched it. I replayed the 4th quarter last night and didn’t see him impacting much of anything, let alone rag dolling Fischer.
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I don’t see a stat labeled HURRIES but I did not have the tv on mute and I didn’t hear his name mentioned much. I did hear Sherman’s name mentioned a lot.
I’m not saying an EDGE guy is unimportant....I’m saying a GREAT CB > a GREAT EDGE guy probably because a GREAT OT will marginalize the GREAT EDGE GUY, like last night.
He also had five hurries and was in the KC backfield all game.
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I don’t see a stat labeled HURRIES but I did not have the tv on mute and I didn’t hear his name mentioned much. I did hear Sherman’s name mentioned a lot.
I’m not saying an EDGE guy is unimportant....I’m saying a GREAT CB > a GREAT EDGE guy probably because a GREAT OT will marginalize the GREAT EDGE GUY, like last night.
He also had five hurries and was in the KC backfield all game.
Thanks for finding this Johnny.
Just curious, the OT who was blocking Bosa...I believe his name is Fischer....what is his reputation in the league?
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Bosa was ragdolling Fisher all game, his stat line (which is good anyway) doesn't even show how many times he effected Mahomes. Given equal need and quality of two players at DE and CB, nobody in their right mind is going to take the CB.
Yes I watched it. I replayed the 4th quarter last night and didn’t see him impacting much of anything, let alone rag dolling Fischer.
5 Bowls. I agree Fisher was being abused by Boss. Yes, Q4 Bosa was tiring but stats alone do not show how dominant he was. He was a beast last night and listening to Boomer this morning he noticed the same thing. Not sure what you were watching in the first three quarters.
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Bosa was ragdolling Fisher all game, his stat line (which is good anyway) doesn't even show how many times he effected Mahomes. Given equal need and quality of two players at DE and CB, nobody in their right mind is going to take the CB.
Yes I watched it. I replayed the 4th quarter last night and didn’t see him impacting much of anything, let alone rag dolling Fischer.
You weren’t paying attention
A strip sack as well. If the ball bounces differently it could’ve been game changing
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I don’t see a stat labeled HURRIES but I did not have the tv on mute and I didn’t hear his name mentioned much. I did hear Sherman’s name mentioned a lot.
I’m not saying an EDGE guy is unimportant....I’m saying a GREAT CB > a GREAT EDGE guy probably because a GREAT OT will marginalize the GREAT EDGE GUY, like last night.
So you admit you weren't actually watching the game?
You were listening to the announcers' take instead while you went back and forth to the fridge for drinks and snacks?
If the Chiefs OL had been called for 20% of the time they were blatantly holding the Niners' DL the game was likely a different outcome.
On one actual sack of Mahomes, Buckner was being held and I mean like lassoed as and after he ripped past the OG over him.
That obviously didn't matter as a non call, but there were several others.
As per usual, a few screw ups by the refs impacted the game greatly.
As did Garapolo's miss of a wide open Sanders to win the game.
Eli he ain't.
When it comes to the draft, you take the best player you can, period. If you happen to have all 3 graded equally then you would look at scheme fits/position of need. If all those things balance out, then dear god trade down a couple spots and get some more picks.
Young is a better player than Okudah and Simmons. You take him if all 3 are available, period.
This is a really shitty take
They work hand in hand but shut down corners are rare and I don't think Okudah is one. He is very good but not as good a CB as Young is a DE. Just sayin.
You can watch football and not know what you are seeing. Anyone watching yesterday’s game who understands football could SEE the major impact Bosa had on the game. He was a dominant player, very disruptive and impactful. This guy has HOF talent if he stays healthy.
The OP just wanted to showoff his blindness to the board.
Dude this is a terrible post and analysis. Pay more attention to how all 11 guys play together. It helps understand why guys like Leonard Williams are better than you think.
Hill made a big play and that happens sometimes but don't think that Bosa didnt impact the game.
In my opinion, SF lost the game in the 4th because they didnt work the clock enough. Instead of running the ball 3 times they passed it and threw 2 incomplete passes in a row after a 5 yard gain on 1st down. I think that was poor game management when they were up by 3 and should have run down the clock more than the 1:03 they managed. Their 1st 2 possessions of the 4th quarter on took 4 mins off the clock.
Bosa was in the backfield often. If he had Young’s speed. It’d have looked like a Lion pouncing on a gazelle.
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I don’t see a stat labeled HURRIES but I did not have the tv on mute and I didn’t hear his name mentioned much. I did hear Sherman’s name mentioned a lot.
I’m not saying an EDGE guy is unimportant....I’m saying a GREAT CB > a GREAT EDGE guy probably because a GREAT OT will marginalize the GREAT EDGE GUY, like last night.
Dude, stop being Obtuse!! Bosa was an animal, he was in the KC backfield the whole game!
2. Even with a devastating defense front you still need to be able to put up points in this league to win. If your lucky enough to have a guy like Mahomes that can over come a bad game buy most of the offense thats great but otherwise you need a well rounded, creative and diversified Offense that can score quick as well as work the clock.
San Fran played a hell of a game on D and gave up 30 and lost. This Chiefs team will be dangerous for awhile now. Even a team like the Pats might not be able to hang with them with Brady. A lot of teams should be looking at guys like Burrow and tua and be willing to overpay for the chance to hit the homerun.
Me either. A QB can't get the ball off on time or be as accurate when pressured. Where even a great CB can be beat on a contested ball by a good WR when a QB has the time to put it exactly where it benefits his WR.
I think we saw a good example yesterday as Bosa et al were pressuring Mahomes all game and he struggled in the first half. It wasn't until they went hurry up and that helped alleviate some of the pass rush that he became more successful.
Jimmy G on the other hand was good early as the Chiefs didn't get much pressure on him but later on when Spags brought the heat, he was affected by the pressure and struggled badly. No doubt it had an effect on the bad overthrow to Sanders late. It looked to me like he rushed it to get it off and just heaved it long. Almost prayer like.