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Evan Engram

Angus : 2/4/2020 11:54 am
He is a fine player, but I do not think they should tender him. He has not yet proven his worth.
Hmmm  
Gman11 : 2/4/2020 11:56 am : link
Angus has a beef.
Umm...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/4/2020 11:56 am : link
OK?
I'd rather..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/4/2020 11:57 am : link
hear what Colonel Angus is mouthing.
That may be the case, however....  
No Where Man : 2/4/2020 11:59 am : link
I think a player like Engram needs to play under this Coaching Staff. He may reach his potential under coaches who will teach him better than the old staff...
You know...  
Brown_Hornet : 2/4/2020 12:00 pm : link
...the OP was meh, but this thread has a chance~
Great Thread Title  
Trainmaster : 2/4/2020 12:01 pm : link
How About:

Is Evan Engram Worthy Of Being Tendered?

Hmmm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/4/2020 12:03 pm : link
RE: Great Thread Title  
Gman11 : 2/4/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14802990 Trainmaster said:
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How About:

Is Evan Engram Worthy Of Being Tendered?


Or, Angus could be tendered... then cooked over an open fire..
So tired of EE threads  
averagejoe : 2/4/2020 12:08 pm : link
what has he ever done besides get hurt every other game ? One big play per season and then right back to IR. He is a tweener that is always hurt. Pass. Enough with this guy already.
He will most likely be tendered  
Rudy5757 : 2/4/2020 12:09 pm : link
Whether we keep him or trade him is another story. He has value and would command a lot on the open market. you have to use your assets to the team advantage. Lame duck status lowers his trade value except if you are trading him to the Giants...lol. I think having the 5th year gives him a lot of value on the trade market if the team decides he is not in the plans. If he has a great year and he is untendered he will command a ton in FA and we will lose him for nothing.
I thought this thread  
cjac : 2/4/2020 12:10 pm : link
was an injury report
Engram most likely will be tenderd  
johnnyb : 2/4/2020 12:13 pm : link
and rightfully so. His option amount is minimal and he is too talented to let go.
He's as likely to be tendered  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/4/2020 12:19 pm : link
as he is to be injured next season.

In other words, it's happening.
The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
Klaatu : 2/4/2020 12:25 pm : link
Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.
Injury Man  
jintman : 2/4/2020 12:25 pm : link
The guy can't play two games in a row without getting injured.
He'll  
AcidTest : 2/4/2020 12:25 pm : link
be tendered. I'm OK investigating a trade market for him, but I doubt the Giants do so. That is especially true because we are weak at WR.
EE  
TGATE GRLMST : 2/4/2020 12:27 pm : link
Personally U love his skill set but never fully realized
Availability over Ability is one of my favorites
RE: The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
BigBill : 2/4/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14803066 Klaatu said:
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Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.


Baaaahahahaha!! Awesome, I needed that laugh! You rock!
He is not a FA  
djstat : 2/4/2020 12:44 pm : link
So why would they have to tender him at all?
3rd coaching staff  
GiantsRage2007 : 2/4/2020 12:59 pm : link
Let's hear them say the same things as the first 2...

Because  
giant power : 2/4/2020 1:27 pm : link
it is the final year of his contract and he was a 1st round pick. Have to make a decision on his 5th year option this off-season.
RE: The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
flycatcher : 2/4/2020 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14803066 Klaatu said:
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Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.

Ha! Youre on a roll.
Geez! How many threads are there going to be about this guy?  
Ivan15 : 2/4/2020 2:31 pm : link
All the same theme. One person's opinion of whether he should be extended, traded or let him play out his contract.

The reality is that no one will give a premium pick for him. Maybe a 4th rounder. If he could prove that he can stay on the field, he is worth more than that.

So do you keep him for 4 years or 5 years before letting him test free agency. I say 4 because you are basically in the same situation either way. Prove it this year or get out of here.
Until when  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/4/2020 2:41 pm : link
Do the Giants have to pick up his 5th year option? I know its sometime this offseason, but by when exactly?
RE: The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
Harvest Blend : 2/4/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14803066 Klaatu said:
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Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.


Ha Ha! That's a post with some sizzle.
There were reports out there  
JonC : 2/4/2020 3:20 pm : link
NYG was offered a #1 pick for him, possibly a missed opportunity there.
FYI Tight ends  
tb7117 : 2/4/2020 3:27 pm : link
2019 Non-Exclusive #FranchiseTag:

QB: $24.865 million
RB: $11.214 million
WR: $16.787 million
TE: $10.387 million
OL: $14.067 million
DE: $17.128 million
DT: $15.209 million
LB: $15.443 million
CB: $16.022 million
S: $11.15 million
K/P: $4.971M
March 8, 2019.

This is last years numbers to get a jist. I never would have thought that a TE would be lowest paid beside K/P.
RE: RE: The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
Klaatu : 2/4/2020 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14803335 Harvest Blend said:
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In comment 14803066 Klaatu said:


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Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.



Ha Ha! That's a post with some sizzle.


I thought it was an A-1 post, myself.
RE: RE: RE: The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
cjac : 2/4/2020 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14803344 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14803335 Harvest Blend said:


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In comment 14803066 Klaatu said:


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Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.



Ha Ha! That's a post with some sizzle.



I thought it was an A-1 post, myself.


Well done....
RE: So tired of EE threads  
eric2425ny : 2/4/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14803025 averagejoe said:
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what has he ever done besides get hurt every other game ? One big play per season and then right back to IR. He is a tweener that is always hurt. Pass. Enough with this guy already.


Agreed. Speed and athleticism dont really help when you cant stay on the field. At this point Engram is like a slightly better Travis Beckum.
I remain a fan of his ...  
Manny in CA : 2/4/2020 6:38 pm : link

He's a WR; Giants do't agree, that's fine.

For his and the team's sake, I hope they can trade him and get good value.
RE: Until when  
Diver_Down : 2/4/2020 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14803285 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Do the Giants have to pick up his 5th year option? I know its sometime this offseason, but by when exactly?


Deadline is May 4th.
RE: I remain a fan of his ...  
jestersdead : 2/4/2020 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14803503 Manny in CA said:
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He's a WR; Giants do't agree, that's fine.

For his and the team's sake, I hope they can trade him and get good value.

Maybe Judge and Garrett can look at some Pats film when they had Hernandez and Gronk. Hopefully they can use EE with Smith in the same manor
RE: The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
Jay in Toronto : 2/4/2020 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14803066 Klaatu said:
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Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.


Com'on quit all this grilling!
The memories of all of Engrams injuries  
eric2425ny : 2/4/2020 7:07 pm : link
have been seared into my brain.
RE: RE: Until when  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/4/2020 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14803511 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14803285 JoeyBigBlue said:


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Do the Giants have to pick up his 5th year option? I know its sometime this offseason, but by when exactly?



Deadline is May 4th.


Thanks. Hard decision looming.
RE: RE: RE: Until when  
Diver_Down : 2/4/2020 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14803529 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 14803511 Diver_Down said:


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In comment 14803285 JoeyBigBlue said:


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Do the Giants have to pick up his 5th year option? I know its sometime this offseason, but by when exactly?



Deadline is May 4th.



Thanks. Hard decision looming.


I'm hoping he is traded at draft time. He should be healed up by then (4 months removed from surgery). Let the new team make the decision.
...  
christian : 2/4/2020 7:47 pm : link
It's a no-brainer to exercise the 5th year option. Because of his relatively low 1st round pick, and the position, the option would effectively put him on a ~2/11M contract.

That's an incredibly attractive contract to shop a player whose injuries have been frustrating, but not career threatening.


Christian  
giant power : 2/4/2020 8:14 pm : link
Curious to know where you came up with those numbers. Engram is making 1.9 mil this year with a 3.4 mil cap hit. I am seeing his projected 5th year option at 6 mil. He should be finished with guaranteed money. Please inform if I missed something. Thanks
RE: Christian  
christian : 2/4/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14803573 giant power said:
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Curious to know where you came up with those numbers. Engram is making 1.9 mil this year with a 3.4 mil cap hit. I am seeing his projected 5th year option at 6 mil. He should be finished with guaranteed money. Please inform if I missed something. Thanks


You're right, the cost is closer to 10M over the next 2 years if the optioned is picked up.

My point is the effective cost to control Engram over the next 2 years is quite low.
I aint getting rid of Engram just yet  
djm : 2/4/2020 9:52 pm : link
... looking forward to what hes got in this offense.
RE: RE: The steaks are pretty high for Engram.  
jhibb : 2/5/2020 12:00 am : link
In comment 14803520 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14803066 Klaatu said:


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Playing a full season has been rare. As for this thread...well done, Angus.



Com'on quit all this grilling!


Yeah, it's time to let it rest.
EE and the Giants  
Dnew15 : 2/5/2020 10:35 am : link
should be watching the FA market for Hunter Henry very closely this off season.

Very similar players. It'll be interesting what the market pays him.
Except for being under the umbrella term "TE",  
Bob in Newburgh : 2/5/2020 11:54 am : link
not similar at all.

Henry has the length and weight to be a traditional TE. In addition, he has enough speed to threaten the seam, but in absolute terms he is not a scary speed matchup.

Unless the plan was to reinvent his body structure, EE was always going to be an H-back/non-end of oline type. He also has true upper echelon speed, even if considered a WR. He is a scary speed matchup for all but CBs and a few fast Ss.
RE: EE and the Giants  
Klaatu : 2/5/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14803845 Dnew15 said:
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should be watching the FA market for Hunter Henry very closely this off season.

Very similar players. It'll be interesting what the market pays him.


Similar players? The only similarity is that they've both been plagued by injuries.
I don't ever remember Hunter Henry being labelled  
Dnew15 : 2/5/2020 3:08 pm : link
anything but a pass-catching TE.

Hunter Henry
6-5 250lbs
136 rec 1709 yrds 17 TDS pick #35 in the draft


Evan Engram
6-3 240 lbs
153 rec 1766 yrds 12 TDS pick #23 in the draft

Both have serious injury concerns....

I think they're very comparable players.




RE: I don't ever remember Hunter Henry being labelled  
Klaatu : 2/5/2020 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14804114 Dnew15 said:
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anything but a pass-catching TE.


Then your memory is faulty, because Henry is one of the better blocking TE's in the league.

Also, another big difference is speed. Engram ran a 4.42 at the Combine. Henry ran a 4.67.
so are you thinking that  
Dnew15 : 2/5/2020 3:59 pm : link
Henry would get more $$$ on the FA market b/c he's more of a two-way TE OR do you think EE is going to get paid more due to his speed and pass catching ability?
RE: so are you thinking that  
Klaatu : 2/5/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14804176 Dnew15 said:
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Henry would get more $$$ on the FA market b/c he's more of a two-way TE OR do you think EE is going to get paid more due to his speed and pass catching ability?


Engram isn't a free agent this year.
Right...  
Dnew15 : 2/5/2020 4:19 pm : link
but he will next year.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that the Giants use the option this year and then EE hits the market next year.

My original premise was the the Giants should watch how much attention Henry gets this offseason to see what the market is for an oft-injured TE with tons of upside and promise.

Engram has played fewer games every year...  
Klaatu : 2/5/2020 4:41 pm : link
Since the 15 he played in his rookie season. There's no way I'd pick up his option.
So I take it you wouldn't  
Dnew15 : 2/6/2020 11:00 am : link
back-fill him with Hunter Henry :)

Actually, I think Kaden Smith played himself into more playing time...I think that guy could be legit.
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