they could change the offense to fit Brady I guess, but I wouldn't change QBs for a guy that old, no matter who he is. I wasn't too impressed by Brady this year.
They gave him a 5 year $130M+ deal. You have to think there will be some cap ramifications.
Jimmy G is 28 and Brady is going to be 42.
I thought I had read something that the dead cap hit was surprisingly small if they cut Jimmy G. I was surprised at the number. That said, if they are to get rid of him for what they perceive to be an upgrade, I would go younger. You will just be looking for a QB again, and with the defense at the stage it's at, you can't waste that window by scrambling for a QB
Dead cap would be 4.2 million if the cut Jimmy G and they'd save 22.2 million. They can easily get out of that contract now it was frontloaded in the first two years.
Some coaches and players make decisions and plays that match the intensity and chaos of a big game like the super bowl.
I thought JG played well in the big game, but the moment/game was way to big for Shanahan. That was some of the most puzzling coaching decisions I have ever seen in a big moment.
Instead of SF leaning on their strength -- the power running game, which would have kept Mahomes on the sideline, they had JG come out throwing more than he had been in the playoffs, and IMO, it blew up in their faces.
If I'm Lynch, I just got some pretty clear evidence that Garropolo probably isn't a franchise QB, capable of winning the big game when it's on his shoulders. In the big moment, he crumbled.
And I think Lynch probably has to do something about that situation regardless of whether it's Brady or someone else.
And yeah, with their D and the their running game, I think Brady probably would have won that game.
if he were on the Giants the past couple of years he'd have looked far worse than Eli, IMO. Belichick has done what he can to cover it up, but he's too far gone.
If he continues to play, he should go to a team where the name cachet is worth more than his actual play, like LV or LA Chargers.
I brought this up yesterday in the "What if they had Eli Manning thread".
I don't think it happens but I'd trade him to the highest bidder if I had a behind the scenes deal done with Brady or whoever. Why not? Windows are small in the NFL and if it doesn't work its a clean slate money-wise (not to mention the young players drafted if JG is traded).
Jimmy G be put on the trade market. I wonder how much NFL teams think he's worth.
The Titans would be an interesting match. Vrabel probably knows him from his time in NE. Tannehill is a FA this year so there is a potential opening there. He would be asked to play a similar game that he's playing in SF and his contract is very cuttable if it doesn't work out.
if he were on the Giants the past couple of years he'd have looked far worse than Eli, IMO. Belichick has done what he can to cover it up, but he's too far gone.
If he continues to play, he should go to a team where the name cachet is worth more than his actual play, like LV or LA Chargers.
after the game were pretty telling. "He played OK" after a brutal loss doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the guy. It wouldn't shock me if they decided to move on, but I don't think Brady is the answer. While his stats were OK this year, his peripherals were really bad.
I'm not sure what other avenues SF has available. It's unlikely they'll commit significant $$$ to a FA QB, and they won't have a draft slot to take a top college QB. Maybe draft a developmental guy and hope you get lucky.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
Shanahan definitely gets his share of the blame, but Jimmy G was brutally bad in the 4th Q. And it wasn't the first time. He made some pretty bad plays late in games this year. Shanahan was able to cover them up in the playoffs, but don't believe the spin that "we didn't need Jimmy to win those games". They just didn't trust him.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
So then explain JG being 3 for 11 or whatever it ended up being. Shanahan shit the bed and the D gave up a lead, but at any point in that 4th quarter JG could have led them on a big drive and never did - something you see big game QB's do despite the short comings of their defense or special teams.
There are many people to blame here, JG is one of them.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
That's kind of lame blue. Yes, OC.Shanny could have called better plays. But the defense ultimately still surrendered three td's in 6 minutes.
That said NO to Brady for San Fran.
Agreed, but in both situations, going with what brought you there (run game) was the best answer for killing the clock and giving the D a breather in the critical 4th qtr with less than 10 minutes to go and a 10 point lead. Imv.
You can do a lot of damage to a team moving on from a young guy like Â
So then explain JG being 3 for 11 or whatever it ended up being. Shanahan shit the bed and the D gave up a lead, but at any point in that 4th quarter JG could have led them on a big drive and never did - something you see big game QB's do despite the short comings of their defense or special teams.
There are many people to blame here, JG is one of them.
And even a few of JG's completions were poor throws. He had a bad Q4, and was one of the main culprits.
RE: Would depend on what that out is in Jimmy G's contract Â
They gave him a 5 year $130M+ deal. You have to think there will be some cap ramifications.
Jimmy G is 28 and Brady is going to be 42.
Apparently if they let go of him now it wouldn't have much cap ramifications. Something about the fact a lot of the guaranteed money was front-loaded. That said, they also said there is more guaranteed money that they have an option on-- if they cut/trade him before April 1st they will be off the hook for that guaranteed money, if they wait until after April 1st they are on the hook for it and getting rid of him would have relatively worse cap ramifications.
whether Garrapolo good at analyzing the defense, calling protections, and changing plays at the line of scrimmage. We assume that Brady is one of the masters of that, so Brady might have done better than Jimmy against Kansas City even with slow wheels and a weakening arm.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
So then explain JG being 3 for 11 or whatever it ended up being. Shanahan shit the bed and the D gave up a lead, but at any point in that 4th quarter JG could have led them on a big drive and never did - something you see big game QB's do despite the short comings of their defense or special teams.
There are many people to blame here, JG is one of them.
Of course JG has some blame. He threw the ball. He however is not the main reason that they lost.
Pretty hard for the "D" to give up the points if they aren't on the field. They were running the ball just fine for three quarters and eating up the clock.
The QB runs what he is told and it was clear that he is not a passer. They lived and died by the run game all year yet the coach decided in the late third and forth quarters that he was going to throw. That is shitty coaching and it cost them.
You cannot change the talent you have on the field but you can use that talent to it's maximum strengths. In this case running the ball.
there are at least 2 fourth quarter plays that win the game for SF if Jimmy G makes the right read/pass.
I mean it's clear for all to see. Shanny didn't have his best day, notably PRIOR to that 4th quarter, but Jimmy G left plays on the field, and in critical spots.
There can be more than one villain if you're a Niners fan
JimG played in his career. So not bad getting to the SB in your first season playing 16 games...
His contract is actually cap friendly and now he has a season under his belt with valuable playoff experience. What's not to like?
You could have said the same thing about Jared Goff last year (pre-contract extension). Some guys take the next step and some don't. I think it's fair to debate if Jimmy G is capable of taking that step.
I think that's my point. JG had to go win the game (something he isn't used to having to go out and do), had a few opportunities to go do it, and he didn't. Is it because he can't? Debatable. But he didn't this time.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
Look at the game more closely. We are crushing the HC for calling a pass play 1-2-3 more instances than what "should" have been called. And on 2 of those plays, the QB failed to hit his man. I get the second guessing to some extent but really, the shit that annoyed me more with Shanny was earlier in the game and how he basically didn't even want the ball with nealrly 2 min to go before the half. Against KC? you better try and score every time you touch the ball.
Shanny called a pass on a 2nd and 5 late that could have been called a run, but KC did stack the line there. He was not coaching scared, ill give him that.
If Jimmy G hits the open man, not once but twice, Andy Reid is still looking for his first title.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
He can’t make the big plays to win a game. Bad miss on Sanders and taking a sack on 4th down were game manager moves. I don’t think he’s the guy that can make a big time throw in a tough game.
Brady probably gets them over the hump with that roster. The issue is how much time he has left. That still may be better than the QB hell that is Jimmy G.
Brady is declining and too immobile. He is not an upgrade over JimmyG.
JimmyG had a good year and played well for 3+ quarters in the SB. I see no reason to write him off just because he overthrew Sanders. If he made that pass, no one would even be talking about his demise. One pass apparently has soured people that much.
I get the second guessing to some extent but really, the shit that annoyed me more with Shanny was earlier in the game and how he basically didn't even want the ball with nearly 2 min to go before the half. Against KC? you better try and score every time you touch the ball.
That last drive of the first half was just weird stuff. First, the Niners playing it ultra-safe instead of trying to score again, as you mentioned (and they'd actually moved the ball up and down the field pretty well up to that point). Then Andy Reid not calling timeout after first down, when it became apparent the Niners were just trying to run down the clock. Then the Niners throwing on third down with 20 seconds left, risking a turnover, when a simple dive into the line would have ground the clock down to 15 seconds and left the Chiefs virtually no time to do anything.
And after all that mess, with the Niners throwing away the previous minute and a half of gametime, they actually had a chance to score? I kinda think the Kittle OPI was like the football gods telling Shanahan, "No, that's not how this works."
Anyway, my $.02 on the OP question: it would be interesting to see Brady on the Niners. With the ground game and defense as their foundation, it might be one of the few places that would be well-suited for a QB of his caliber (smart leader with declining skills). But given Super Bowl hangover and some of the big questions surrounding the team (Is Richard Sherman about to fall off a cliff? Is Joe Staley done? Will teams figure out Shanahan's offense?), I don't think Brady would be the guy to get them over the hump next year. Of course, I'm not sure Jimmy G is, either. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
He can’t make the big plays to win a game. Bad miss on Sanders and taking a sack on 4th down were game manager moves. I don’t think he’s the guy that can make a big time throw in a tough game.
Brady probably gets them over the hump with that roster. The issue is how much time he has left. That still may be better than the QB hell that is Jimmy G.
You can't say that he can't make big plays to win a game. He singlehandedly won the Rams game converting two 3rd and 16s in a row, he iced the Cardinals, he got it done against the Saints.
I personally think that this recovery year was a bit of a mulligan for him. The expectation in general for a first year in Shanahan offense is typically not great and to have an ACL combined just adds to it. To play in a Super Bowl is saying something.
Shanahan going extra run heavy offense this year was great for the overall W/L ratio but probably hindered his progression a bit. Someone said that Jimmy might have been rusty not having played a real passing game in 5 weeks (Seattle).
Bottom line is that this coming year will be the one with expectations and changes. It doesn't matter if Shanahan can outdo his running game, he has to develop the passing game even more, particularly the vertical element.
He should do it by having him throw more and perhaps helping him get a proper deep threat (Marquise Goodwin is done, and still only just a track star).
Mahomes is a baller for his arm talent and his mobility, but he's got the fastest WR corps in the league putting the fear of death into defenses while Jimmy's throwing into traffic constantly. That's the big difference there.
I don't care what anyone says, Mahomes is the beneficiary of an elite offensive coach and the fastest receivers out there. We saw what a poor man's version (Kaepernick) could do with lesser talent at it's peak.....
Mahomes against the best defenses hasn't really been all that special. As it should be, he's still a kid.
Book's not fully written on either of these guys. Mahomes will have a Rodgers like career IMO....
Jimmy G, not sure, but ain't ready to give up on him. People talk like he's limited, but what limited QB gets a huge contract just for winning 5 games?
or tested QB knows that in the crucial part of the game, you need a fallback. Several times, JG had Kittle open underneath and didn't throw him the ball. Those passes are drive extenders.
That part isn't on Shanny. JG decided to throw twice to WR's who were covered and once had a ball batted down that was intended for an open Kittle.
This is two times in a SB that an offense led by Shanny has given up a double-digit lead. Both times because of inexplicably going for chunk plays over ones that control the ball. Both people are at fault.
The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
He can’t make the big plays to win a game. Bad miss on Sanders and taking a sack on 4th down were game manager moves. I don’t think he’s the guy that can make a big time throw in a tough game.
Brady probably gets them over the hump with that roster. The issue is how much time he has left. That still may be better than the QB hell that is Jimmy G.
You can't say that he can't make big plays to win a game. He singlehandedly won the Rams game converting two 3rd and 16s in a row, he iced the Cardinals, he got it done against the Saints.
I personally think that this recovery year was a bit of a mulligan for him. The expectation in general for a first year in Shanahan offense is typically not great and to have an ACL combined just adds to it. To play in a Super Bowl is saying something.
Shanahan going extra run heavy offense this year was great for the overall W/L ratio but probably hindered his progression a bit. Someone said that Jimmy might have been rusty not having played a real passing game in 5 weeks (Seattle).
Bottom line is that this coming year will be the one with expectations and changes. It doesn't matter if Shanahan can outdo his running game, he has to develop the passing game even more, particularly the vertical element.
He should do it by having him throw more and perhaps helping him get a proper deep threat (Marquise Goodwin is done, and still only just a track star).
Mahomes is a baller for his arm talent and his mobility, but he's got the fastest WR corps in the league putting the fear of death into defenses while Jimmy's throwing into traffic constantly. That's the big difference there.
I don't care what anyone says, Mahomes is the beneficiary of an elite offensive coach and the fastest receivers out there. We saw what a poor man's version (Kaepernick) could do with lesser talent at it's peak.....
Mahomes against the best defenses hasn't really been all that special. As it should be, he's still a kid.
Book's not fully written on either of these guys. Mahomes will have a Rodgers like career IMO....
Jimmy G, not sure, but ain't ready to give up on him. People talk like he's limited, but what limited QB gets a huge contract just for winning 5 games?
There’s a difference between a few random regular season games and the playoffs, especially the SB.
The 49ers bullied their way to the SB and didn’t need JG to make plays. That’s fine until he doesn’t make plays when you need him to.
If SF makes their dominant D even better and makes a good OL even better it may not matter if JG is the real deal or not. But as of now he’s looking very Cousins-esque imv. I don’t see a guy capable of making big plays in a big game.
Jimmy G is 28 and Brady is going to be 42.
Jimmy G is 28 and Brady is going to be 42.
I thought I had read something that the dead cap hit was surprisingly small if they cut Jimmy G. I was surprised at the number. That said, if they are to get rid of him for what they perceive to be an upgrade, I would go younger. You will just be looking for a QB again, and with the defense at the stage it's at, you can't waste that window by scrambling for a QB
That said NO to Brady for San Fran.
I thought JG played well in the big game, but the moment/game was way to big for Shanahan. That was some of the most puzzling coaching decisions I have ever seen in a big moment.
If I'm Lynch, I just got some pretty clear evidence that Garropolo probably isn't a franchise QB, capable of winning the big game when it's on his shoulders. In the big moment, he crumbled.
And I think Lynch probably has to do something about that situation regardless of whether it's Brady or someone else.
And yeah, with their D and the their running game, I think Brady probably would have won that game.
That said, I don't think Brady's leaving NE.
This is good news for the Giants.
Dumping Jimmy G might sound stupid - but look at the roster, who's becoming a FA, and the amount of cap space...you might change your mind.
If he continues to play, he should go to a team where the name cachet is worth more than his actual play, like LV or LA Chargers.
I don't think it happens but I'd trade him to the highest bidder if I had a behind the scenes deal done with Brady or whoever. Why not? Windows are small in the NFL and if it doesn't work its a clean slate money-wise (not to mention the young players drafted if JG is traded).
This isn't fully true. The loss is due to a lot of things, Jimmy G not stepping up was one of them. Its a fact (certainly not the only one though).
The Titans would be an interesting match. Vrabel probably knows him from his time in NE. Tannehill is a FA this year so there is a potential opening there. He would be asked to play a similar game that he's playing in SF and his contract is very cuttable if it doesn't work out.
If he continues to play, he should go to a team where the name cachet is worth more than his actual play, like LV or LA Chargers.
I agree. He's lost his mojo. And his fastball.
I'm not sure what other avenues SF has available. It's unlikely they'll commit significant $$$ to a FA QB, and they won't have a draft slot to take a top college QB. Maybe draft a developmental guy and hope you get lucky.
Shanahan definitely gets his share of the blame, but Jimmy G was brutally bad in the 4th Q. And it wasn't the first time. He made some pretty bad plays late in games this year. Shanahan was able to cover them up in the playoffs, but don't believe the spin that "we didn't need Jimmy to win those games". They just didn't trust him.
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
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The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
So then explain JG being 3 for 11 or whatever it ended up being. Shanahan shit the bed and the D gave up a lead, but at any point in that 4th quarter JG could have led them on a big drive and never did - something you see big game QB's do despite the short comings of their defense or special teams.
There are many people to blame here, JG is one of them.
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The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
That's kind of lame blue. Yes, OC.Shanny could have called better plays. But the defense ultimately still surrendered three td's in 6 minutes.
That said NO to Brady for San Fran.
Agreed, but in both situations, going with what brought you there (run game) was the best answer for killing the clock and giving the D a breather in the critical 4th qtr with less than 10 minutes to go and a 10 point lead. Imv.
So then explain JG being 3 for 11 or whatever it ended up being. Shanahan shit the bed and the D gave up a lead, but at any point in that 4th quarter JG could have led them on a big drive and never did - something you see big game QB's do despite the short comings of their defense or special teams.
There are many people to blame here, JG is one of them.
And even a few of JG's completions were poor throws. He had a bad Q4, and was one of the main culprits.
Jimmy G is 28 and Brady is going to be 42.
Apparently if they let go of him now it wouldn't have much cap ramifications. Something about the fact a lot of the guaranteed money was front-loaded. That said, they also said there is more guaranteed money that they have an option on-- if they cut/trade him before April 1st they will be off the hook for that guaranteed money, if they wait until after April 1st they are on the hook for it and getting rid of him would have relatively worse cap ramifications.
His contract is actually cap friendly and now he has a season under his belt with valuable playoff experience. What's not to like?
2.) guys on their rookie contracts
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The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
So then explain JG being 3 for 11 or whatever it ended up being. Shanahan shit the bed and the D gave up a lead, but at any point in that 4th quarter JG could have led them on a big drive and never did - something you see big game QB's do despite the short comings of their defense or special teams.
There are many people to blame here, JG is one of them.
Of course JG has some blame. He threw the ball. He however is not the main reason that they lost.
Pretty hard for the "D" to give up the points if they aren't on the field. They were running the ball just fine for three quarters and eating up the clock.
The QB runs what he is told and it was clear that he is not a passer. They lived and died by the run game all year yet the coach decided in the late third and forth quarters that he was going to throw. That is shitty coaching and it cost them.
You cannot change the talent you have on the field but you can use that talent to it's maximum strengths. In this case running the ball.
I mean it's clear for all to see. Shanny didn't have his best day, notably PRIOR to that 4th quarter, but Jimmy G left plays on the field, and in critical spots.
There can be more than one villain if you're a Niners fan
His contract is actually cap friendly and now he has a season under his belt with valuable playoff experience. What's not to like?
You could have said the same thing about Jared Goff last year (pre-contract extension). Some guys take the next step and some don't. I think it's fair to debate if Jimmy G is capable of taking that step.
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The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
^^^^THIS x2
The HC/OC shit the bed.
Coaches who move away from game plans and play to not lose instead of keeping the foot on the gas and keep playing aggressive to win always find a way to lose.
Shanahan did exactly that and it cost him.
Look at the game more closely. We are crushing the HC for calling a pass play 1-2-3 more instances than what "should" have been called. And on 2 of those plays, the QB failed to hit his man. I get the second guessing to some extent but really, the shit that annoyed me more with Shanny was earlier in the game and how he basically didn't even want the ball with nealrly 2 min to go before the half. Against KC? you better try and score every time you touch the ball.
Shanny called a pass on a 2nd and 5 late that could have been called a run, but KC did stack the line there. He was not coaching scared, ill give him that.
If Jimmy G hits the open man, not once but twice, Andy Reid is still looking for his first title.
He can’t make the big plays to win a game. Bad miss on Sanders and taking a sack on 4th down were game manager moves. I don’t think he’s the guy that can make a big time throw in a tough game.
Brady probably gets them over the hump with that roster. The issue is how much time he has left. That still may be better than the QB hell that is Jimmy G.
JimmyG had a good year and played well for 3+ quarters in the SB. I see no reason to write him off just because he overthrew Sanders. If he made that pass, no one would even be talking about his demise. One pass apparently has soured people that much.
I get the second guessing to some extent but really, the shit that annoyed me more with Shanny was earlier in the game and how he basically didn't even want the ball with nearly 2 min to go before the half. Against KC? you better try and score every time you touch the ball.
That last drive of the first half was just weird stuff. First, the Niners playing it ultra-safe instead of trying to score again, as you mentioned (and they'd actually moved the ball up and down the field pretty well up to that point). Then Andy Reid not calling timeout after first down, when it became apparent the Niners were just trying to run down the clock. Then the Niners throwing on third down with 20 seconds left, risking a turnover, when a simple dive into the line would have ground the clock down to 15 seconds and left the Chiefs virtually no time to do anything.
And after all that mess, with the Niners throwing away the previous minute and a half of gametime, they actually had a chance to score? I kinda think the Kittle OPI was like the football gods telling Shanahan, "No, that's not how this works."
Anyway, my $.02 on the OP question: it would be interesting to see Brady on the Niners. With the ground game and defense as their foundation, it might be one of the few places that would be well-suited for a QB of his caliber (smart leader with declining skills). But given Super Bowl hangover and some of the big questions surrounding the team (Is Richard Sherman about to fall off a cliff? Is Joe Staley done? Will teams figure out Shanahan's offense?), I don't think Brady would be the guy to get them over the hump next year. Of course, I'm not sure Jimmy G is, either. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Move on from a young talented quarterback that just got you to a Super Bowl for a 43 year old? Come on!
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The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
He can’t make the big plays to win a game. Bad miss on Sanders and taking a sack on 4th down were game manager moves. I don’t think he’s the guy that can make a big time throw in a tough game.
Brady probably gets them over the hump with that roster. The issue is how much time he has left. That still may be better than the QB hell that is Jimmy G.
You can't say that he can't make big plays to win a game. He singlehandedly won the Rams game converting two 3rd and 16s in a row, he iced the Cardinals, he got it done against the Saints.
I personally think that this recovery year was a bit of a mulligan for him. The expectation in general for a first year in Shanahan offense is typically not great and to have an ACL combined just adds to it. To play in a Super Bowl is saying something.
Shanahan going extra run heavy offense this year was great for the overall W/L ratio but probably hindered his progression a bit. Someone said that Jimmy might have been rusty not having played a real passing game in 5 weeks (Seattle).
Bottom line is that this coming year will be the one with expectations and changes. It doesn't matter if Shanahan can outdo his running game, he has to develop the passing game even more, particularly the vertical element.
He should do it by having him throw more and perhaps helping him get a proper deep threat (Marquise Goodwin is done, and still only just a track star).
Mahomes is a baller for his arm talent and his mobility, but he's got the fastest WR corps in the league putting the fear of death into defenses while Jimmy's throwing into traffic constantly. That's the big difference there.
I don't care what anyone says, Mahomes is the beneficiary of an elite offensive coach and the fastest receivers out there. We saw what a poor man's version (Kaepernick) could do with lesser talent at it's peak.....
Mahomes against the best defenses hasn't really been all that special. As it should be, he's still a kid.
Book's not fully written on either of these guys. Mahomes will have a Rodgers like career IMO....
Jimmy G, not sure, but ain't ready to give up on him. People talk like he's limited, but what limited QB gets a huge contract just for winning 5 games?
That part isn't on Shanny. JG decided to throw twice to WR's who were covered and once had a ball batted down that was intended for an open Kittle.
This is two times in a SB that an offense led by Shanny has given up a double-digit lead. Both times because of inexplicably going for chunk plays over ones that control the ball. Both people are at fault.
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The loss in the 4th qtr was on OC Atlanta/HC Niners, Kyle Shanahan
He can’t make the big plays to win a game. Bad miss on Sanders and taking a sack on 4th down were game manager moves. I don’t think he’s the guy that can make a big time throw in a tough game.
Brady probably gets them over the hump with that roster. The issue is how much time he has left. That still may be better than the QB hell that is Jimmy G.
You can't say that he can't make big plays to win a game. He singlehandedly won the Rams game converting two 3rd and 16s in a row, he iced the Cardinals, he got it done against the Saints.
I personally think that this recovery year was a bit of a mulligan for him. The expectation in general for a first year in Shanahan offense is typically not great and to have an ACL combined just adds to it. To play in a Super Bowl is saying something.
Shanahan going extra run heavy offense this year was great for the overall W/L ratio but probably hindered his progression a bit. Someone said that Jimmy might have been rusty not having played a real passing game in 5 weeks (Seattle).
Bottom line is that this coming year will be the one with expectations and changes. It doesn't matter if Shanahan can outdo his running game, he has to develop the passing game even more, particularly the vertical element.
He should do it by having him throw more and perhaps helping him get a proper deep threat (Marquise Goodwin is done, and still only just a track star).
Mahomes is a baller for his arm talent and his mobility, but he's got the fastest WR corps in the league putting the fear of death into defenses while Jimmy's throwing into traffic constantly. That's the big difference there.
I don't care what anyone says, Mahomes is the beneficiary of an elite offensive coach and the fastest receivers out there. We saw what a poor man's version (Kaepernick) could do with lesser talent at it's peak.....
Mahomes against the best defenses hasn't really been all that special. As it should be, he's still a kid.
Book's not fully written on either of these guys. Mahomes will have a Rodgers like career IMO....
Jimmy G, not sure, but ain't ready to give up on him. People talk like he's limited, but what limited QB gets a huge contract just for winning 5 games?
There’s a difference between a few random regular season games and the playoffs, especially the SB.
The 49ers bullied their way to the SB and didn’t need JG to make plays. That’s fine until he doesn’t make plays when you need him to.
If SF makes their dominant D even better and makes a good OL even better it may not matter if JG is the real deal or not. But as of now he’s looking very Cousins-esque imv. I don’t see a guy capable of making big plays in a big game.