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What Happened to Jimmy Garappolo in the Super Bowl?

Klaatu : 2/5/2020 11:54 am
Another video from J.T. O'Sullivan at The QB School.

Enjoy.

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look to me like he couldn't handle getting rattled  
UConn4523 : 2/5/2020 11:58 am : link
just a lot of bad throws there, some with pressure some without. There were a lot of other things that went wrong but Jimmy played his part (poorly).
Looked like Jimmy G to me  
Saos1n : 2/5/2020 12:05 pm : link
Just couldnít get it done. Not many can
I think in general  
Chris684 : 2/5/2020 12:15 pm : link
Jimmy G has been hyped up to a level that his play, at least to this point, has probably not matched.

None of us should really be that surprised by what we saw in the Super Bowl, but because media types and "Johnny Come Latelies" had already turned him into Montana, there is this confusion.

Playing QB in the NFL is hard. Being a legit franchise QB (with staying power) in the NFL is hard. Winning playoff games and Super Bowls against the best the league has to offer is really hard.
J.T. O'Sullivan??  
santacruzom : 2/5/2020 12:17 pm : link
UC Davis alumn! I had no idea he's been doing videos like this.
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christian : 2/5/2020 12:17 pm : link
From watching about half of that video, looks like the 9ers had some serious protection errors.
RE: J.T. O'Sullivan??  
Klaatu : 2/5/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14803939 santacruzom said:
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UC Davis alumn! I had no idea he's been doing videos like this.


Yup, UC Davis QB. I've posted a couple of his videos before.
I think lack of playoff experience is a bigger factor  
81_Great_Dane : 2/5/2020 12:22 pm : link
than people are recognizing.

I interviewed Michael Strahan once, asked him about pressure in the playoffs. He said pre-season is one level of pressure, then you go to regular season and it's completely different. Then you go to regular season chasing a playoff spot, and it's completely different again. Then you go to the playoffs, and that's completely different. And finally you get to the Super Bowl and THAT's completely different.

Mahomes looked jittery for a lot of the game, but at some point settled in and played more or less like himself. Garappolo played pretty well for a lot of the game but when he had to make plays to win the game, it was his turn to look jittery.

Mahomes has more playoff experience than Garappolo. Neither one has a ton, but Mahomes looked more like someone who knew how to handle the moment. Jimmy G looked to me like he didn't.
Good link...  
bw in dc : 2/5/2020 12:25 pm : link
But the analyst can't have it both ways. A few times he says he likes the aggressive call; but when it didn't work, he backpedals and says the 9ers should have run the ball. Well, pick a side and quit riding the fence.

Further, when JimG gets thrown out of bounds on the 3rd and 14 at the 7 minute mark, the analyst says it was bad that JimG got out of bounds to stop the clock. But the clock did wind once he got up. So he's completely wrong there...

Meanwhile, you clearly see how the 9ers OL broke down on their responsibilities the last quarter. They really struggled to execute. And that spilled over into JimG having limited time to make his reads...
He had Kiara Mia on his mind.  
The_Boss : 2/5/2020 12:25 pm : link
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I get lack of experiene and nerves  
UConn4523 : 2/5/2020 12:26 pm : link
but Mahomes is also flat out better, that's why he recovered from it.
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Section331 : 2/5/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14803940 christian said:
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From watching about half of that video, looks like the 9ers had some serious protection errors.


Definitely, but I wonder how many of those were due to bad protection calls by the QB? I remember what Geoff Schwartz said about Eli, that Eli would call out a protection, and GS would think it was wrong, but then he said "Eli was never wrong". It is an underappreciated part of QB play.
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bw in dc : 2/5/2020 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14803959 Section331 said:
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From watching about half of that video, looks like the 9ers had some serious protection errors.



Definitely, but I wonder how many of those were due to bad protection calls by the QB? I remember what Geoff Schwartz said about Eli, that Eli would call out a protection, and GS would think it was wrong, but then he said "Eli was never wrong". It is an underappreciated part of QB play.


Did you watch the entire link? Even the 9er WRs were breaking down and running the wrong routes. It was a complete team meltdown - both sides of the ball.
The batted passes by Chris Jones were huge  
Leg of Theismann : 2/5/2020 12:45 pm : link
they came at key points in the game and came on plays where Jimmy G appeared to be throwing to an open man. Can't really fault Jimmy G for those.

I rewatched the 4th quarter of the game last night. It's literally just a few throws that didn't go Jimmy's way (either by his fault or not his fault) and that's all it took for Mahomes to bring the Chiefs back because they started scoring TDs in a matter of 1-3 minute drives every time they got the ball. Definitely a few times that Shanahan could have stuck with running the ball though and he didn't. The play-action pass was working earlier in the game and it appeared he wanted to stick with that, but IMO the run was working so well and is a higher % play so why not continue running it?

At one point the 49ers were down 24-20 with 1:49 left in the game and ALL THREE timeouts left. They had the ball on the Chiefs' 49 yard line, obviously needing a TD to win the game. They proceeded call 4 straight pass plays that all failed and they turned the ball over on downs. IMO, they were running the ball at like 10 yards a clip, I don't see why they couldn't just run the ball there, or at least mix in a run somewhere in that set of downs and stick to their game plan. So many people were saying "well there's less than 2 min left in the game you can't just orchestrate a drive of runs." IMO you could have. 2 min and 3 timeouts and only 49 yards to go? If you go no huddle I think they could have run the ball most of the way out from there and still scored before time ran out. They may have even scored without enough time for Mahomes to bring the Chiefs back. Shanahan clearly panicked and felt he had to throw the ball on every play once there was less than 2 min left. I disagreed with that logic but again I think he panicked under pressure.
BTW...  
bw in dc : 2/5/2020 12:45 pm : link
watch the link around the 2 minute mark.

The analyst doesn't pick it up, but you can clearly see Spags and the D loading the box to stop the run on specific plays. There is one play where there are literally 10 Chiefs defenders in the box, all withing 5 yards of the LOS. With the way the 9ers OL was breaking down, there was no way the 9ers were going to "just run it down the Chiefs throats..."

It wasn't there. They had plays to make in the passing game and everyone started to choke on execution. It was a contagion - from JimG, to the OL, to the receivers.
RE: BTW...  
Leg of Theismann : 2/5/2020 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14803976 bw in dc said:
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watch the link around the 2 minute mark.

The analyst doesn't pick it up, but you can clearly see Spags and the D loading the box to stop the run on specific plays. There is one play where there are literally 10 Chiefs defenders in the box, all withing 5 yards of the LOS. With the way the 9ers OL was breaking down, there was no way the 9ers were going to "just run it down the Chiefs throats..."

It wasn't there. They had plays to make in the passing game and everyone started to choke on execution. It was a https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=4&thread=594670&comment=14803976contagion - from JimG, to the OL, to the receivers.


bw,

In retrospect, I'm literally only referring to the final drive where 9ers had 1st and 10 from the Chiefs' 49, 1:49 left, all 3 timeouts. The Chiefs definitely did not have even 8 guys in the box at that point. The 9ers absolutely could have stayed run-heavy from there on out and punched it in with little time remaining. But my point is they didn't even run it once. They passed 4 straight times, all incompletions (I think the last one was a sack) and they turned it over on downs. When you're in 4-down territory I think you have even more of an option to run the ball, because you can run it on 3rd and long for instance and set up a 4th and manageable. But they didn't even run it once from there on out. That's my only beef with the way Shanahan handled the end of the game, those last 4 plays while the 49ers will still only down 24-20 and had plenty of time and timeouts left. Maybe they couldn't have just "run it down the Chiefs' throats" the entire 4th quarter, sure, but calling 4 straight pass plays and asking Jimmy G to throw it down the field without any help from his run game is definitely what I would consider panicking and getting away from your identity as an offense.
Sorry wasn't the "final" drive, technically  
Leg of Theismann : 2/5/2020 1:17 pm : link
should have said it was the final drive that the 49ers still had any hope. They next time they got the ball back they were down 31-20 and the game was in the bag.
Leg...  
bw in dc : 2/5/2020 1:18 pm : link
We posted at the same time there. So I was just writing my comments in general, not specifically to you.
RE: Leg...  
Leg of Theismann : 2/5/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14803998 bw in dc said:
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We posted at the same time there. So I was just writing my comments in general, not specifically to you.


OK, thanks for clarifying as I wasn't 100% sure. But in general I do agree that much of the criticism of the 49ers play-calling is a bit unwarranted in the sense that the play-action pass game WAS working for much of the game (the main thing that really hurt was Chris Jones batting down 2 crucial passes that were headed toward wide open receivers), and you're right you can't just run the ball every play regardless of what the defense is giving you. I just wanted to clarify that that last sequence by the 9ers offense before the Chiefs took over and put the game away was the only sequence where I really would say Shanahan messed up.
2 big plays for me  
jestersdead : 2/5/2020 1:29 pm : link
were in the 2nd half. Jimmy G missed two open receivers down the left side of the field. I forget the first play but the second play was on the Kittle PI call. If there is an all 22 clip I can find, I will post it. Great throw to Kittle and I think the PI call was crap but there was a receiver on the left side that got a free release down the sideline
Sloppy footwork  
Dave in PA : 2/5/2020 1:30 pm : link
It may only impact a few throws, but if he hits Emanuel Sanders in stride, they may be champs
If I'm not mistaken....  
Ryan : 2/5/2020 1:34 pm : link
..that concept they ran on 3rd and 3 prior to the drive the Chiefs took the lead on used to be a red zone staple of ours under Gilbride and the timing always seemed difficult. I believe it was the play where S Smith got his head around late in SB 42 and it clanked off his hands for an INT. Same result to Cruz (slipped) against Seattle in 2011 which Browner took 90+ the other way.
thought he played pretty well, on balance  
ColHowPepper : 2/5/2020 1:54 pm : link
esp. first SB. Agree with Leg and bw, protection broke down, Jones and Clark in his face, can't pin errant throws completely on QB 'failures'. It was a great game, each team and QB taking its/his shots; in Q4 it was Chiefs' turn.

Klaatu put up a video yesterday on the 'play that won the SB' (same guy, Klaatu?), the 3rd and 16 in Q4 with ~ 7 minutes left. Chiefs executed to perfection
why he didn't go to the TE there on 3rd down  
djm : 2/5/2020 2:00 pm : link
ill never know. the bomb he missed late was just a missed throw. Failing to look Kittle's way at a crucial juncture, especially when he's wide open for 8-10 on a 3rd and 7-8--just criminal.
RE: I think lack of playoff experience is a bigger factor  
5BowlsSoon : 2/5/2020 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14803947 81_Great_Dane said:
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than people are recognizing.

I interviewed Michael Strahan once, asked him about pressure in the playoffs. He said pre-season is one level of pressure, then you go to regular season and it's completely different. Then you go to regular season chasing a playoff spot, and it's completely different again. Then you go to the playoffs, and that's completely different. And finally you get to the Super Bowl and THAT's completely different.

Mahomes looked jittery for a lot of the game, but at some point settled in and played more or less like himself. Garappolo played pretty well for a lot of the game but when he had to make plays to win the game, it was his turn to look jittery.

Mahomes has more playoff experience than Garappolo. Neither one has a ton, but Mahomes looked more like someone who knew how to handle the moment. Jimmy G looked to me like he didn't.


+1.
I completely agree with this analysis.
What Happened to Jimmy Garappolo in the Super Bowl?  
David B. : 2/5/2020 6:01 pm : link
RE: why he didn't go to the TE there on 3rd down  
Gruber : 2/5/2020 6:26 pm : link
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ill never know. the bomb he missed late was just a missed throw. Failing to look Kittle's way at a crucial juncture, especially when he's wide open for 8-10 on a 3rd and 7-8--just criminal.


Shannon Sharpe or Reggie Bush referenced this very play, said you can fool a lot of people, but you can't fool your own teammates and that JG will have lost a lot of respect of his own players for not seeing Kittle open. In short, it's what you're paid the big bucks for.
The enormity of the Super Bowl  
NINEster : 2/5/2020 6:37 pm : link
is probably why it's so hard to play your own game and win it.

Just look at the first few drives by both teams. You could absolutely tell it was a Super Bowl just by the feel of it. Neither team was truly playing their own game.

That 1948 Rose Bowl play at the 1 yard line along with a few of Shanahan's gadget plays on the first drive are other examples of this.

When the game is on the line in the 4th, can't imagine how hectic it could be for coaches as well as the players.

Belichick's non-time out at the end of SB 49 to beat Seattle might be the greatest SB coaching moment of all time. He probably had 10-15 seconds tops to make that decision.
RE: RE: why he didn't go to the TE there on 3rd down  
NINEster : 2/5/2020 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14804354 Gruber said:
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ill never know. the bomb he missed late was just a missed throw. Failing to look Kittle's way at a crucial juncture, especially when he's wide open for 8-10 on a 3rd and 7-8--just criminal.



Shannon Sharpe or Reggie Bush referenced this very play, said you can fool a lot of people, but you can't fool your own teammates and that JG will have lost a lot of respect of his own players for not seeing Kittle open. In short, it's what you're paid the big bucks for.


The disappearance of Kittle in this game was rather alarming. I was fully expecting Kittle to get overused in spots.

Gotta wonder if he was overcautious with Kittle concerned he might be set up by defenders.
RE: thought he played pretty well, on balance  
NINEster : 2/5/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14804030 ColHowPepper said:
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esp. first SB. Agree with Leg and bw, protection broke down, Jones and Clark in his face, can't pin errant throws completely on QB 'failures'. It was a great game, each team and QB taking its/his shots; in Q4 it was Chiefs' turn.

Klaatu put up a video yesterday on the 'play that won the SB' (same guy, Klaatu?), the 3rd and 16 in Q4 with ~ 7 minutes left. Chiefs executed to perfection


They sure did and their OL held Bosa just enough that Mahomes got his ball off in time....
to original question  
mdc1 : 2/5/2020 7:47 pm : link
he could not lead or make plays. Mahomes is a winner that leads and make plays that result in wins.

Garappolo is a JAG in a SF system that did not work. Brady is the same but make plays and that is the reason Brady is still playing NE until further notice. He wins....

Winning is special, some guys make it a relentless pursuit. Whether it is SB champs, Trump, blah blah blah. Nobody likes a fucking loser and they are not remembered.

Heís not that good  
eric2425ny : 2/5/2020 10:05 pm : link
Heís a slightly better version of Trent Dilfer. If the Ravens didnít have the defense they had in 2000, do you think Dilfer would have won it for them? No way
He finally had to play from behind  
AcesUp : 2/5/2020 10:35 pm : link
Against an underrated pass rush.

There was a lot of Niner ballwashing this year for a team that is likely to fizzle. Theyíve made a lot of questionable free agent decisions over the last 3 years which are about to bite them. They have expiring rookie contracts which they will struggle to extend and the dominant defenses of this era rarely last beyond one season...see the jaguars and bears. I donít see them having an extended run.
RE: Heís not that good  
Route 9 : 2/6/2020 4:24 am : link
In comment 14804515 eric2425ny said:
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Heís a slightly better version of Trent Dilfer. If the Ravens didnít have the defense they had in 2000, do you think Dilfer would have won it for them? No way


Exactly.

His Super Bowl 54 performance was what I anticipated this whole time. He's just not good and that first interception he threw was fucking garbage. I'd be perplexed by a throw so bad in a Super Bowl, only if it wasn't for those two Neil O'Donnell threw right to Larry Brown on the Cowboys in 1995.

He also screwed the pooch on that overthrow to Emmanuel Sanders on the post route.

What happened to him? Exactly what I was prepared for in connection with the 2019 San Francisco 49ers weakest link, aka Jimmy Garoppolo. Goodbye.
He is not a baller like Eli  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/6/2020 11:38 am : link
who is completely unfazed in the biggest moments.
He's no Eli Manning,  
Bramton1 : 2/6/2020 12:50 pm : link
That's for sure.
RE: He's no Eli Manning,  
Leg of Theismann : 2/6/2020 2:37 pm : link
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That's for sure.


My favorite thing is on 4th down when Jimmy G was about to be sacked, someone said it looked like he was about to have "an Eli Manning type of moment" but then instead he just hopelessly chucked the ball to his offensive lineman and was considered "in the grass". My favorite thing is that on the Eli play, Eli said he thought about throwing it to Chris Snee for a second and then thought better of it lol. Then the ref said he almost blew the whistle but at the last second held his breath. Low and behold Eli forced his away out of the DE's grasp and made the most famous play in super bowl history. It's just awesome to me that in that moment, the Giants having Eli Manning was the difference between them and the 9ers in SB 54: 99% of QBs just go down or hopelessly just throw the ball up. Eli stayed cool and persevered until the very end. He never backed down from adversity his entire life and that's why he's a 2-time SB MVP. Chills.
RE: RE: He's no Eli Manning,  
NINEster : 2/7/2020 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14805253 Leg of Theismann said:
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That's for sure.



My favorite thing is on 4th down when Jimmy G was about to be sacked, someone said it looked like he was about to have "an Eli Manning type of moment" but then instead he just hopelessly chucked the ball to his offensive lineman and was considered "in the grass". My favorite thing is that on the Eli play, Eli said he thought about throwing it to Chris Snee for a second and then thought better of it lol. Then the ref said he almost blew the whistle but at the last second held his breath. Low and behold Eli forced his away out of the DE's grasp and made the most famous play in super bowl history. It's just awesome to me that in that moment, the Giants having Eli Manning was the difference between them and the 9ers in SB 54: 99% of QBs just go down or hopelessly just throw the ball up. Eli stayed cool and persevered until the very end. He never backed down from adversity his entire life and that's why he's a 2-time SB MVP. Chills.


No comparison whatsoever to the two as far as ability to escape. Only a Russell Wilson type could have escaped that Jimmy G final play. Eli's play was very good in his moment but he would have went down just the same in SB 54.

I think it's not discussed that Jimmy G was potentially concussed in the final moments of the game. Perhaps the moment was too big, but if people want to act like the moment was in a level he could never possibly handle the Niners would have definitely lose more than 3 games this year.....easily another 3-4 (Rams, Seahawks, Saints, Steelers). All of those were wins at the gun or in Seattle's case a "playoff game".

Time will tell the truth on QBs, and if things don't work out for the guy I'll admit it eventually just like Smith and Kaepernick. Still very premature either way on Jimmy G.

Unlike those other two his W/L percentage is up there, and he was higher ranked statistically than people give him credit for. 5th most TD passes in a run heavy offense...

Speaking of former Shanahan QBs, Matt Ryan's 2015/2016 splits look like this:

21 TD, 16 INT
38 TD, 7 INT

Jimmy G this year, 27 TD, 13 INT.

No comparison on amount of years played, having a Julio Jones versus not having one. 2015 was Ryan's worst TD/INT ratio probably going back to 2008/2009.

Now Jimmy G may or may not be better than Ryan, but certainly he'd have been crushed for that 2015 Ryan type season and the only difference was that Ryan had year of pro bowl equity to pin the blame on the Shanahan system (which is what it was).

And for perspective, Eli had some great moments in this league but nobody was talking him up until his after his 3rd year starting and a SB victory.

The Dilfer comparisons are laughable. Pure bias at its best. Dilfer was closer to Dave Brown than Jimmy G.


He didnít do anything in the postseason  
KWALL2 : 2/7/2020 2:36 pm : link
He was much worse vs MIN in runs 1. He was trying to hand the game to the Vikings. Itís amazing they made it that far and close to a SB winner with this QB play.
Eli Manning put together a game-winning drive in the Super bowl.  
Route 9 : 2/7/2020 3:59 pm : link
TWICE.

Matt Ryan is a loser. Jimmy Garoppolo is a loser. Frankly.
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