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FWIW, No NYG Run/Pass Game Coordinators...

V.I.G. : 2/5/2020 3:01 pm
about a third of the teams have someone with that title.
-7 of those teams made the playoffs
-3 others are new staffs...

Belichick doesn't have anyone with that designation so maybe not so surprising that JJ didn't lean that way.

DEF
NYJ Passing Game Coordinator/Defensive Backs Dennard Wilson
ATL Secondary/Pass game coordinator Joe Whitt Jr.
ATL Defensive line/Run game coordinator Tosh Lupoi
CAR Defensive pass game coordinator/secondary Jason Simmons
CAR Defensive run game coordinator Al Holcomb
SF Passing game coordinator/defensive backs Joe Woods
SF Run game specialist/outside linebackers Johnny Holland
SEA Passing game coordinator Andre Curtis
KC Run game coordinator/defensive line Brendan Daly

OFF
BAL Assistant head coach/pass coordinator/wide receivers David Culley
CLE Pass game coordinator/wide receivers Chad O'Shea
CLE Run game coordinator/running backs Stump Mitchell
PHI Passing Game Coordinator/Quarterbacks Press Taylor
PHI Run game coordinator/offensive line Jeff Stoutland
CHI Pass game coordinator Dave Ragone
ARI Pass Game Coordinator/Quarterbacks Tom Clements
SF Passing game coordinator Mike LaFleur
SF Run game coordinator Mike McDaniel
MIN Run game coordinator/offensive line Rick Dennison
TB Assistant head coach/Run game coordinator Harold Goodwin

I don't see KC up on that list  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/5/2020 3:03 pm : link
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RE: I don't see KC up on that list  
V.I.G. : 2/5/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14804103 gidiefor said:
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Run game coordinator/defensive line Brendan Daly
Of..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/5/2020 3:04 pm : link
the 13 teams that have those coordinators 6 made the playoffs. You likely double counted SF.

Not sure that indicates anything other than a preference of the HC to utilize one.

To state it another way - more than half the teams who have those coordinators missed the playoffs.
SF the only team  
giants#1 : 2/5/2020 3:06 pm : link
with both run & pass coordinators for Offense and Defense.

RE: I don't see KC up on that list  
giants#1 : 2/5/2020 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14804103 gidiefor said:
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D Run game coordinator
RE: Of..  
V.I.G. : 2/5/2020 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14804107 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the 13 teams that have those coordinators 6 made the playoffs. You likely double counted SF.

Not sure that indicates anything other than a preference of the HC to utilize one.

To state it another way - more than half the teams who have those coordinators missed the playoffs.

you're right

6 made the playoffs, 6 are new or 2nd year staffs.

just seems like a trend, that's all
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Klaatu : 2/5/2020 3:10 pm : link


"We don't need no stinking run and pass coordinators!"
RE: Of..  
giants#1 : 2/5/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14804107 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the 13 teams that have those coordinators 6 made the playoffs. You likely double counted SF.

Not sure that indicates anything other than a preference of the HC to utilize one.

To state it another way - more than half the teams who have those coordinators missed the playoffs.


6 of the 12 playoff teams had them.

4 (CAR/CLE staffs are new) of the 20 teams that missed the playoffs had them.

But aside from SF, even the teams that do have them, typically only have 1-2 and usually just on one side of the ball.
Meaningless titles  
JB_in_DC : 2/5/2020 3:25 pm : link
and not at all a worthwhile datapoint to consider w/r/t correlation with making the playoffs
aren't the run/pass game coordinators  
Giantsfan79 : 2/5/2020 3:30 pm : link
just a BS loophole around the NFL rule that you can't poach other teams assistant coaches unless they are getting a promotion with the new team?

Suddenly run/pass coordinators became a thing as the additional title for the coach.
RE: aren't the run/pass game coordinators  
V.I.G. : 2/5/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14804140 Giantsfan79 said:
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just a BS loophole around the NFL rule that you can't poach other teams assistant coaches unless they are getting a promotion with the new team?

Suddenly run/pass coordinators became a thing as the additional title for the coach.

I'm not sure - when you think of a guy like Rick Dennison (MIN Run game coordinator/offensive line) and watch how well their TEs and WRs also block, there may be more 'coordination' - but honestly don't know.
Any word on  
crick n NC : 2/5/2020 3:58 pm : link
Any False Start coordinators?

Perhaps a Defensive Holding coordinator that specializes in preventing defensive holding on 3rd and 4th downs longer than fifteen yards.

I also wouldn't mind seeing a Kick out of Bounds coordinator
And lastly an End Zone celebration coordinator
We could have used a Challenge Coordinator  
CT Charlie : 2/5/2020 8:46 pm : link
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Well how many of those teams with  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/6/2020 12:28 am : link
run and/or passing game coordinators had an OC and DC from Princeton and Yale, huh? Ivy Leaguers baby!
RE: aren't the run/pass game coordinators  
Milton : 2/6/2020 1:06 am : link
In comment 14804140 Giantsfan79 said:
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just a BS loophole around the NFL rule that you can't poach other teams assistant coaches unless they are getting a promotion with the new team? Suddenly run/pass coordinators became a thing as the additional title for the coach.
There is no BS loophole (it was closed more than a decade ago). Teams need permission to interview any assistant coach already contract for anything other than a head coaching permission.
This may be a stupid question  
ron mexico : 2/6/2020 6:18 am : link
But does a passing game coordinator work on the passing game of the offense or defense?
Maybe that's  
Pete in MD : 2/6/2020 9:02 am : link
why they always looked so...wait for it...uncoordinated.

The Giants also didn't designate quality control coaches the past few seasons. Obviously responsible for the lack of quality.
RE: This may be a stupid question  
giants#1 : 2/6/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 14804566 ron mexico said:
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But does a passing game coordinator work on the passing game of the offense or defense?


Depends on the team/coach. Most passing/running game coordinators also coach a position group. So if you are the DB coach/passing game coordinator, then you're coordinating the passing D.

If Kitchens had been given the title in addition to TEs coach, then it'd be for the offensive side.
I was under the impression that they  
ron mexico : 2/6/2020 9:28 am : link
were crossing the aisle, so to speak.

For example, you have a DB coach who is an expert in secondary coverages who helps the OC put together his passing attack to exploit those coverages.

But I'm probably wrong.
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