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Vacchiano: 7 Giants who could become cap casualties

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/6/2020 7:48 am
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These 7 Giants could become cap casualties this offseason - ( New Window )
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While I agree  
BigBluesman : 2/6/2020 8:09 pm : link
that it does not make financial sense to cut Solder, I'm not as fussed about finding his replacement. Who could honestly do worse than he has?
RE: ...  
MotownGIANTS : 2/6/2020 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14805409 christian said:
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I'd love for Solder to bounce back, but that's not a 19.5M bet to take, not at his age and mileage.

Open market Solder isn't getting 19.5 over 2 years. The Giants have to get that figured way down for him to stay.


It is reported he is willing to take a paycut.
RE: The Cuts Should Be...  
Optimus-NY : 2/7/2020 4:49 am : link
In comment 14804650 Jim in Tampa said:
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Ogletree, Ellison, Bethea and Martin.

No replacement for Solder, so he stays.

If Tate had played all 16 games he was on track for 70+ catches and nearly 1,000 yards. He stays too.

Pulley should stay at least through camp, until the Giants see what they have at C.


+1,000,000
RE: Ogletree is a good example of  
Milton : 2/7/2020 7:15 am : link
In comment 14804606 JonC said:
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a well paid player who doesn't earn it on gameday, despite his positives.
And Solder isn't a good example?

Solder needs to take a paycut. I don't see how you pay a guy $13M to be a liability. And this whole thing about the dead cap hit is a red herring. The Giants have more than enough cap room in 2020. There is no need to kick the can down the road, they will be rolling over cap space into 2021 regardless.
RE: RE: Ogletree is a good example of  
Klaatu : 2/7/2020 7:57 am : link
In comment 14805729 Milton said:
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In comment 14804606 JonC said:


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a well paid player who doesn't earn it on gameday, despite his positives.

And Solder isn't a good example?

Solder needs to take a paycut. I don't see how you pay a guy $13M to be a liability. And this whole thing about the dead cap hit is a red herring. The Giants have more than enough cap room in 2020. There is no need to kick the can down the road, they will be rolling over cap space into 2021 regardless.


Ogletree is easily replaced. Solder, well, maybe. It depends on who the Giants are able to sign in free agency, and who they draft. As bad as he's been for the past two years, Solder may still end up being their best option at one of the OT spots, as sad as that sounds.
RE: RE: Ogletree is a good example of  
JonC : 2/7/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14805729 Milton said:
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In comment 14804606 JonC said:


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a well paid player who doesn't earn it on gameday, despite his positives.

And Solder isn't a good example?

Solder needs to take a paycut. I don't see how you pay a guy $13M to be a liability. And this whole thing about the dead cap hit is a red herring. The Giants have more than enough cap room in 2020. There is no need to kick the can down the road, they will be rolling over cap space into 2021 regardless.


I have no problem cutting (or pay-cutting) Solder if they have his replacement on board. Currently, they don't and it's not a snap to find one or rely on a rookie.
RE: RE: RE: Ogletree is a good example of  
Milton : 2/7/2020 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14806145 JonC said:
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I have no problem cutting (or pay-cutting) Solder if they have his replacement on board. Currently, they don't and it's not a snap to find one or rely on a rookie.
They can always re-sign Solder. It's not like somebody else is gonna pay him $13M in 2020.

p.s.--I'm not a scout and don't have a strong opinion on Solder but the media and fan consensus seems to be that he was a liability in 2019. Do you agree with the consensus? My biggest issue is with those who think the dead cap hit should play a role in the decision. That money is gone and isn't coming back.
He definitely put out a number of poor performances  
JonC : 2/7/2020 2:01 pm : link
and a few good ones, much like the unit as a whole. It was a bad year, but I think Solder and the others have a rebound in them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ogletree is a good example of  
Klaatu : 2/7/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14806160 Milton said:
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In comment 14806145 JonC said:


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I have no problem cutting (or pay-cutting) Solder if they have his replacement on board. Currently, they don't and it's not a snap to find one or rely on a rookie.

They can always re-sign Solder. It's not like somebody else is gonna pay him $13M in 2020.


No, but he could sign with someone else for considerably less before we had a chance to re-sign him.
Keep Soldier to project Jones  
KWALL2 : 2/7/2020 2:32 pm : link
Cut the rest especially Tate. Waste of space. Get a young player in there to get the PT. Great draft for WRs. Or bring in Sammy Watkins who could be a great value. He still has plenty left.
when I say the others  
JonC : 2/7/2020 2:33 pm : link
I mean Zeitler and Hernandez along with Solder. We must upgrade RT and preferably C.
RE: Keep Soldier to project Jones  
BigBluesman : 2/7/2020 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14806188 KWALL2 said:
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Cut the rest especially Tate. Waste of space. Get a young player in there to get the PT. Great draft for WRs. Or bring in Sammy Watkins who could be a great value. He still has plenty left.

Why keep Solder to protect Jones when the problem is HE CAN'T BLOCK?
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