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Joe Burrows to pull an Eli Manning?

gidiefor : Mod : 2/6/2020 11:53 am
There's a little smoke coming out of the Burrows camp, and who he is training with for the combine, that may indicate that the Burrows family is trying to encourage the Bengals to trade the number 1 pick.
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Isn't he like a local kid?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/6/2020 11:54 am : link
If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.
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Danny Kanell : 2/6/2020 11:55 am : link
I've had a feeling this was going to happen.
Can't blame him  
KDavies : 2/6/2020 11:58 am : link
the Bengals are a dreadful organization
I have no problem with this as long as  
Chris684 : 2/6/2020 11:58 am : link
the prospect understands and is willing to sit out a year and re-enter the draft.
I love it.  
Dnew15 : 2/6/2020 11:59 am : link
This is going to be one hell of an NFL draft.
That would rub me the wrong way...  
bw in dc : 2/6/2020 11:59 am : link
just like it did with Eli.
RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
lightemup : 2/6/2020 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.


i agreer. I don't see him pulling an "Eli" on the Bengals. He's an Ohio kid and I think the Bengals are actually a good fit for him
If you were okay with Eli doing it,  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/6/2020 12:00 pm : link
you can't have a problem with Burrows doing it.
The Benagls are mostly fine.  
NoPeanutz : 2/6/2020 12:01 pm : link
just the owner counts how many gatorades the players are taking. No big deal.
Good for him.  
bceagle05 : 2/6/2020 12:01 pm : link
NFL teams treat players like whores - the consensus #1 pick in the draft is in a rare position of having leverage. Use it.
Are there two of them?  
allstarjim : 2/6/2020 12:02 pm : link
.
if Burrows is up for trade  
Steve in ATL : 2/6/2020 12:03 pm : link
would you trade Daniel Jones as part of a trade up for him?
Thats probably not great for the Giants  
Rudy5757 : 2/6/2020 12:05 pm : link
I would think Miami would be the trading partner in that scenario and take a QB needy team behind us off the board.

If I am Cin and Burrow checks all the boxes I take him anyway and force the hand or I take Young who is the best player in the draft. The NFL and NFLPA need to get that straightened out. If you sign up for the draft the contracts should already be worked out based on Draft position and there should be zero negotiation. You go where you are drafted or you dont play in the NFL.
RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
Leg of Theismann : 2/6/2020 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.


I don't think it's ever been confirmed whether or not he was actually a Bengals fan. You can be from Ohio and not be a Bengals fan, and I could particularly imagine it with the Bengals being an awful organization to root for over the years. If you're not a fan of the team I don't think it matters that they're the "local" team.

Also just because he went to high school there doesn't mean he would want to live there. I feel like that's the piece so many "experts" are missing in this story. What if Burrow doesn't like Ohio? How can we be sure what his true feelings are? Of course maybe he's going to pay his due respects to his hometown, but are we sure he wants to live there as an adult? Once I got out of North NJ I certainly never cared to move back there.
Nothing to see here.  
LS : 2/6/2020 12:05 pm : link
Says he wants to play for a team that is committed to winning Super Bowls. Show me a list of players that don't want to do that. Training with Jordan Palmer? Not sure how that shows he doesn't want to play for the Bengals. Then an ex-receiver says they should consider trading the first pick for a gigantic haul of picks. Duh. The fact that no one in the family has come out and said he doesn't want to play in Cincinnati doesn't matter I guess. But that won't generate clicks.
RE: That would rub me the wrong way...  
Bill L : 2/6/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14804931 bw in dc said:
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just like it did with Eli.
Did you mean to write Elway?
RE: if Burrows is up for trade  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14804938 Steve in ATL said:
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would you trade Daniel Jones as part of a trade up for him?


No..We’ve seen DJ at the PRO level and his ceiling appears quite high albeit he obviously needs to clean up stuff. Burrow might be the next Peyton or the next Leaf, or, somewhere in between. Unknown. Keep DJ and fortify areas of need
RE: RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
Leg of Theismann : 2/6/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14804941 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.



I don't think it's ever been confirmed whether or not he was actually a Bengals fan. You can be from Ohio and not be a Bengals fan, and I could particularly imagine it with the Bengals being an awful organization to root for over the years. If you're not a fan of the team I don't think it matters that they're the "local" team.

Also just because he went to high school there doesn't mean he would want to live there. I feel like that's the piece so many "experts" are missing in this story. What if Burrow doesn't like Ohio? How can we be sure what his true feelings are? Of course maybe he's going to pay his due respects to his hometown, but are we sure he wants to live there as an adult? Once I got out of North NJ I certainly never cared to move back there.


Oh I just read (and I had forgotten about this) he was a Saints fan growing up. Yeah, so essentially this would be like one of us being a top prospect and the Jets having the #1 overall pick. If it's not the team you're a fan of, the "local" aspect of it doesn't really impact your decision. Unless, of course, his goal is to live in Ohio his entire life.
RE: Thats probably not great for the Giants  
Bill L : 2/6/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14804940 Rudy5757 said:
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I would think Miami would be the trading partner in that scenario and take a QB needy team behind us off the board.

If I am Cin and Burrow checks all the boxes I take him anyway and force the hand or I take Young who is the best player in the draft. The NFL and NFLPA need to get that straightened out. If you sign up for the draft the contracts should already be worked out based on Draft position and there should be zero negotiation. You go where you are drafted or you dont play in the NFL.

Wouldn't the Bengals then have capital and be just as Qb (Tua) needy?
Burrow  
Dave in PA : 2/6/2020 12:08 pm : link
there is no S
Did S.D. get more for trading Eli  
Ron from Ninerland : 2/6/2020 12:12 pm : link
than the would have if they just traded the #1 pick ? I never thought they did. With a Manning in the draft they could have gotten a haul had they taken bids for the pick in advance. Instead they called Eli's bluff. Once the Giants took Rivers their options were limited.
Pull An Eli Manning?  
Trainmaster : 2/6/2020 12:16 pm : link
Didn’t Eli “Pull a John Elway”?

RE: RE: That would rub me the wrong way...  
bw in dc : 2/6/2020 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14804946 Bill L said:
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Did you mean to write Elway?


No, I meant Eli. But I'm good adding Elway as well. He certainly belongs in the group...
RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
Toth029 : 2/6/2020 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.

Maybe not playing for a cheap owner.
RE: RE: RE: That would rub me the wrong way...  
Bill L : 2/6/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14804971 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14804946 Bill L said:


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Did you mean to write Elway?



No, I meant Eli. But I'm good adding Elway as well. He certainly belongs in the group...
And Anthony Davis, Paul George....it's very trendy right now.
Here is the problem  
Matt in SGS : 2/6/2020 12:23 pm : link
I'm not sure Burrow has the gravitas to pull off a move like this.

Elway was the first to really do this. But Elway had a couple of things going for him. First of all, he was drafted by the Yankees and they had millions waiting for him. He was slated to start in RF in Yankee Stadium by the mid 1980s. He had a real fallback option.

Bo Jackson did the same thing with the Bucs. He had baseball to fall back on (and he was a great baseball player too).

Eli had the Manning name to make this happen. That carried weight.

Burrow, I just don't see it. I think the Bengals draft him and tell him to pound sand if he doesn't like it.
Looking at 506 NFL network coverage,  
MOOPS : 2/6/2020 12:25 pm : link
I wouldn't say that Burrow would be cosidered a hometown hero in Cincinnati, nor would he consider himself as such.
The Bengals network coverage is so small that they generally only get a tiny slice of the TV pie, even in Ohio itself. It's like the people of Ohio would rather watch an ice fishing show than the Bengals.
I can see why there's speculation regarding Burrow's thinking.
FYI  
The Original G Man : 2/6/2020 12:25 pm : link
His longtime girlfriend (since Ohio State) is from Cincinnati. Lives in the suburbs 25 miles north of the city.
RE: FYI  
The Original G Man : 2/6/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14804982 The Original G Man said:
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His longtime girlfriend (since Ohio State) is from Cincinnati. Lives in the suburbs 25 miles north of the city.

He was in town with her a few weeks ago:

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RE: RE: if Burrows is up for trade  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14804950 Big Blue '56 said:
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would you trade Daniel Jones as part of a trade up for him?



No..We’ve seen DJ at the PRO level and his ceiling appears quite high albeit he obviously needs to clean up stuff. Burrow might be the next Peyton or the next Leaf, or, somewhere in between. Unknown. Keep DJ and fortify areas of need


Oh and a big question: Could he handle NY as Eli did and DJ appears to be doing?
Very interesting of he does  
Now Mike in MD : 2/6/2020 12:31 pm : link
Does Cincy make a trade and gamble it will get Tua or some other QB later in the draft? Do they just pick Young? If they pick Young, do the Redskins pull an Arizona and pick Burrow considering the lukewarm responses from Rivera about Haskins?

And out of all those (and other scenarios) which helps the Giants the most and least?
RE: RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
Section331 : 2/6/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14804932 lightemup said:
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In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.



i agreer. I don't see him pulling an "Eli" on the Bengals. He's an Ohio kid and I think the Bengals are actually a good fit for him


Because the Bengals are a disaster of an organization and notoriously cheap. He's from OH, it's a big state, why assume he's a Bengals fan?
RE: That would rub me the wrong way...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/6/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14804931 bw in dc said:
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just like it did with Eli.


Something a Giant did rubs you the wrong way? No fucking way.
RE: Here is the problem  
Leg of Theismann : 2/6/2020 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14804976 Matt in SGS said:
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I'm not sure Burrow has the gravitas to pull off a move like this.

Elway was the first to really do this. But Elway had a couple of things going for him. First of all, he was drafted by the Yankees and they had millions waiting for him. He was slated to start in RF in Yankee Stadium by the mid 1980s. He had a real fallback option.

Bo Jackson did the same thing with the Bucs. He had baseball to fall back on (and he was a great baseball player too).

Eli had the Manning name to make this happen. That carried weight.

Burrow, I just don't see it. I think the Bengals draft him and tell him to pound sand if he doesn't like it.


IMO, Burrow being a Heisman winner, a National Champion, and having just set all sorts of records with 6000 total yards, 65 total TDs, 77% cmp.%, etc. ... I think he has more leverage than you might be giving him credit for. He's also very well-liked in general. If he said "I don't want to play for the Bengals" (which a lot of people would be understanding of given their history as a franchise) and threatened some sort of holdout, or skipping a season, or whatever the necessary threat would be, his status as a prospect is such that I believe he'd still hold all the cards; i.e. I believe he'd still have an opportunity to sign a big contract with a team he wants to play for whenever he "gets around" the process and I think the Bengals would have to take that into consideration when/if this "stare-down" ever happens.
When Eli did it  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/6/2020 12:34 pm : link
I thought more players coming out as top picks would follow that lead. I'm surprised we haven't seen it more.

It is if course a gamble by the player, who might sit out a year only to find he isnt such hot shit when that year is up.
I think the list of people who "can't handle" New York  
Mike from Ohio : 2/6/2020 12:38 pm : link
is very small. The idea that New York's media is somehow ruthless and vicious, and every other city just praises and loves their players is ludicrous.

Give generic answers and don't be a 3 year old is all it takes to "handle" the New York media.
RE: RE: RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
Leg of Theismann : 2/6/2020 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14804995 Section331 said:
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In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.



i agreer. I don't see him pulling an "Eli" on the Bengals. He's an Ohio kid and I think the Bengals are actually a good fit for him



Because the Bengals are a disaster of an organization and notoriously cheap. He's from OH, it's a big state, why assume he's a Bengals fan?


Not to mention he's NOT a Bengals fan.

Nor do we even know if he wants to live in Ohio.

This idea that it would just be a "dream come true" for him to play for the "hometown" Bengals and live in Ohio, simply because he happened to go to high school there due to his father taking a job in the area, is entirely fabricated by the media because it sounds nice.
I think the recent retirement of Eli and  
Captplanet : 2/6/2020 12:41 pm : link
San Diego's treatment of Philip Rivers may have played a role in Burrows thinking.

The one thing that Eli wanted was to go to a stable franchise with good ownership, because he did not want his career to end up like Archies with the Saints. Eli forced his way out of SD, not to come to the Giants, he did not want to play for a bad ownership group.

Fast Forward 16 years and Eli has 2 Rings, and on the verge of the Hall of Fame. The Giants gave him a send off filled with respect and admiration.

While after 16 years with San Diego, Philip Rivers(holder of most of SD passing records) gets a tweet saying they are not bringing him back.

Cincinnati's ownership is as bad as San Diego's.

RE: Here is the problem  
bw in dc : 2/6/2020 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14804976 Matt in SGS said:
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I'm not sure Burrow has the gravitas to pull off a move like this.

Elway was the first to really do this. But Elway had a couple of things going for him. First of all, he was drafted by the Yankees and they had millions waiting for him. He was slated to start in RF in Yankee Stadium by the mid 1980s. He had a real fallback option.

Bo Jackson did the same thing with the Bucs. He had baseball to fall back on (and he was a great baseball player too).

Eli had the Manning name to make this happen. That carried weight.

Burrow, I just don't see it. I think the Bengals draft him and tell him to pound sand if he doesn't like it.


Some interesting perspectives here about the two sports guys. That's reasonable context...

But the Mannings looked bad because four years prior Peyton went to the Colts, who were a complete mess with an awful owner. PM even told Bill Polian in the pre-draft process that he looked forward to kicking the Colts' ass if they didn't draft him. So he wanted the challenge of rebuilding that organiation...

It was a big 180 when it came time for Eli to follow in a similar path...
doesn't Burrow get  
uther99 : 2/6/2020 12:43 pm : link
A fully guaranteed contract? I would be very hesitant to pass up over 30 million guaranteed. No clue what is going to happen in future
RE: RE: RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
k2tampa : 2/6/2020 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14804951 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.



I don't think it's ever been confirmed whether or not he was actually a Bengals fan. You can be from Ohio and not be a Bengals fan, and I could particularly imagine it with the Bengals being an awful organization to root for over the years. If you're not a fan of the team I don't think it matters that they're the "local" team.

Also just because he went to high school there doesn't mean he would want to live there. I feel like that's the piece so many "experts" are missing in this story. What if Burrow doesn't like Ohio? How can we be sure what his true feelings are? Of course maybe he's going to pay his due respects to his hometown, but are we sure he wants to live there as an adult? Once I got out of North NJ I certainly never cared to move back there.



Oh I just read (and I had forgotten about this) he was a Saints fan growing up. Yeah, so essentially this would be like one of us being a top prospect and the Jets having the #1 overall pick. If it's not the team you're a fan of, the "local" aspect of it doesn't really impact your decision. Unless, of course, his goal is to live in Ohio his entire life.


The "hometown" stuff is pretty misleading. He was born in Iowa, and lived there, Nebraska and North Dakota as his father took different coaching jobs. He went to high school in Athens, Ohio. Saying Cincy is his "hometown" is like saying someone from Rhode Island is from NYC. Not to mention the difference between Athens and Cincy as far as the culture goes is similar to the difference between Rhode Island and NYC.
Now, he is a "small-town" kid, so maybe Cincy would appeal to him more than Miami or LA. No one knows.
Call his bluff  
Bramton1 : 2/6/2020 12:45 pm : link
Eli tried this. Elway tried this. Kobe tried this. In every case, none of the teams called their bluff, because they were too terrified of the consequences if the player actually sat out. But Elway and Accorsi were starting to have discussions, there is no way the Mannings would have actually had Eli sit out, and Kobe admitted years laer that had the Nets drafted him, he would have gone there.

The only sport that players are able to made such a threat and follow through with it is baseball, because a player can just choose to go to college instead.

Burrow is bluffing, Call him on it.
RE: RE: Here is the problem  
Captplanet : 2/6/2020 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14805009 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14804976 Matt in SGS said:


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I'm not sure Burrow has the gravitas to pull off a move like this.

Elway was the first to really do this. But Elway had a couple of things going for him. First of all, he was drafted by the Yankees and they had millions waiting for him. He was slated to start in RF in Yankee Stadium by the mid 1980s. He had a real fallback option.

Bo Jackson did the same thing with the Bucs. He had baseball to fall back on (and he was a great baseball player too).

Eli had the Manning name to make this happen. That carried weight.

Burrow, I just don't see it. I think the Bengals draft him and tell him to pound sand if he doesn't like it.



Some interesting perspectives here about the two sports guys. That's reasonable context...

But the Mannings looked bad because four years prior Peyton went to the Colts, who were a complete mess with an awful owner. PM even told Bill Polian in the pre-draft process that he looked forward to kicking the Colts' ass if they didn't draft him. So he wanted the challenge of rebuilding that organiation...

It was a big 180 when it came time for Eli to follow in a similar path...


Peyton couldn't force his way out of Indianapolis because the San Diego had the second pick. And there is no way Peyton wanted to play for SD.
Burrow  
Joey in VA : 2/6/2020 12:50 pm : link
BURROW BURROW BURROW. It's not like he's Seahorn.
Ohio hometown  
jestersdead : 2/6/2020 12:51 pm : link
The kid got over $500k in donations to local food banks in southeast Ohio after his heisman speech. I think he'll be ok if he lands in Cincy
RE: if Burrows is up for trade  
joeinpa : 2/6/2020 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14804938 Steve in ATL said:
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would you trade Daniel Jones as part of a trade up for him?


Would you?
Gidie -  
Diver_Down : 2/6/2020 1:05 pm : link
Don't you read your own threads? I posted on your thread starting on January 31st of the start of the information. For that matter, BBI hasn't picked up on what I was laying out except for jvm.
RE: Call his bluff  
Diver_Down : 2/6/2020 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14805015 Bramton1 said:
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Eli tried this. Elway tried this. Kobe tried this. In every case, none of the teams called their bluff, because they were too terrified of the consequences if the player actually sat out. But Elway and Accorsi were starting to have discussions, there is no way the Mannings would have actually had Eli sit out, and Kobe admitted years laer that had the Nets drafted him, he would have gone there.

The only sport that players are able to made such a threat and follow through with it is baseball, because a player can just choose to go to college instead.

Burrow is bluffing, Call him on it.


That is pretty bold call. If Burrow doesn't sign the contract, he enters next year's draft. Meanwhile, Cincy gets no compensation.
RE: Isn't he like a local kid?  
santacruzom : 2/6/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14804919 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If so, wouldn't playing for his hometown team be a dream? Or maybe that's me.


Not if that hometown team is the fucking Cincinnati Bengals.
RE: Call his bluff  
Victor in CT : 2/6/2020 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14805015 Bramton1 said:
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Eli tried this. Elway tried this. Kobe tried this. In every case, none of the teams called their bluff, because they were too terrified of the consequences if the player actually sat out. But Elway and Accorsi were starting to have discussions, there is no way the Mannings would have actually had Eli sit out, and Kobe admitted years laer that had the Nets drafted him, he would have gone there.

The only sport that players are able to made such a threat and follow through with it is baseball, because a player can just choose to go to college instead.

Burrow is bluffing, Call him on it.


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