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Re LB Corey Littleton, BBV asks, He wouldnít come cheap, but

Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 1:25 pm
would he be worth a big investment?

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How long is it now that fans have rightly been complaining about the inability of New York Giantsí linebackers to cover anyone? Far too long, whatever the number of years. How about the idea of turning to free agency for an in-his-prime player who is one of the best coverage linebackers in football in an effort to fix that problem?

The Giants have an opportunity to do that this offseason if they choose to pursue 26-year-old Los Angeles Rams linebacker Cory Littleton.

The basics
Age: 26
Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 228
Position: Linebacker
Experience: 4 seasons
2019 stats: Games: 16 | Tackles: 134 | Interceptions: 2 | Sacks: 3.5 | Fumble recoveries: 4 | Passes defensed: 9



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He's been on my radar for a while  
Ben in Tampa : 2/6/2020 1:45 pm : link
but he may be too pricey and the Giants can't expect to fix all their woes by signing every top free agent
Agreed, but itís been quite awhile  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 1:50 pm : link
since we had a solid cover guy there
he's legit  
gtt350 : 2/6/2020 1:50 pm : link
what we thought we were getting with Olgetree
Not a big fan of paying open market dollars  
JonC : 2/6/2020 1:53 pm : link
for an ILB or 3-4 DE.
I would say go for it  
eric2425ny : 2/6/2020 1:56 pm : link
Iím so sick of seeing us get torn apart in the middle of the field every week.

Are the Rams not going to resign him? They are in cap trouble if I remember correctly.
RE: I would say go for it  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14805166 eric2425ny said:
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Iím so sick of seeing us get torn apart in the middle of the field every week.

Are the Rams not going to resign him? They are in cap trouble if I remember correctly.


Agreed about the killing weíve taken in the middle of the field, almost a gimme moving the chains
You need good players  
Rudy5757 : 2/6/2020 2:37 pm : link
I dont know much about him in particular but we cant keep avoiding going after players because of the expense. I would rather gamble on a young player than pay top $$ for a 30 or over player. If he is the goods, you pay him and dont worry about it.

If we are able to replace guys that are under performing with a top talent then go for it. With DJ in a cap friendly spot right now, we have the ability to get players. Dont overpay for average and you will be OK.
RE: You need good players  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14805252 Rudy5757 said:
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I dont know much about him in particular but we cant keep avoiding going after players because of the expense. I would rather gamble on a young player than pay top $$ for a 30 or over player. If he is the goods, you pay him and dont worry about it.

If we are able to replace guys that are under performing with a top talent then go for it. With DJ in a cap friendly spot right now, we have the ability to get players. Dont overpay for average and you will be OK.


Assuming heís healthy and Judge and co., like what they see of him, it would be fine with this fan if they overpaid. We have multiple needs and areas to fill, not the least of which is to finally and successively protect the middle. Iím sick and tired of getting burned.
I feel like we are in kind of a unique spot this  
eric2425ny : 2/6/2020 2:59 pm : link
year in terms of our roster. I donít remember the last time we had so much youth on our roster, many of which are guys from the top 3 rounds.

I see a lot of posts on here about how we have all of these holes to fill. Agreed to an extent. We definitely have holes at offensive tackle, center, and edge.

But aside from that we have all of these young corners, young defensive lineman, solid WRís, solid offensive guards. You almost have to give some of these guys like Beal, Baker, Ballentine, BJ Hill, Connelly, Love, etc. a chance to play because if you get nervous and replace them after one or two seasons you may be missing out on what could be a terrific player with additional experience. Especially when you consider that a new coaching staff may get more out of them than Bettcher.
I kind of like the idea of partially subsidizing the signing  
3putt : 2/6/2020 3:20 pm : link
of Littleton by cutting Ogletree. Makes me feel I'm getting a deal.
RE: Not a big fan of paying open market dollars  
Thegratefulhead : 2/6/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14805159 JonC said:
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for an ILB or 3-4 DE.
I do enjoy your big picture perspective.
Littleton vs Schobert?  
Platos : 2/6/2020 4:16 pm : link
i think Schobert is better.
What about drafting Simmons  
SirLoinOfBeef : 2/6/2020 4:19 pm : link
Especially with a slight trade down (7-10) perhaps?

Measurable's look similar. Save the money for a pass rusher or free safety.
RE: RE: Not a big fan of paying open market dollars  
JonC : 2/6/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14805384 Thegratefulhead said:
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for an ILB or 3-4 DE.

I do enjoy your big picture perspective.


I appreciate it.
For the money gimme Nick Kwiatkoski  
j_rud : 2/6/2020 5:35 pm : link
No, hes not the same caliber athlete as Littleton. But he'll command much less money and is good enough to win with. Hes the kind of FA I like to see them target: right age, right price, and an ascending player (played well and put up good numbers in relief of an injured Danny Trevathan).
One of my targets in free agency  
SLIM_ : 2/6/2020 5:53 pm : link
I list an ILB as high as a pass rusher. I also think that the defense has a lot of younger players but needs a leader out there. Both Ogletree and Bethea were at the positions to provide that but sucked real hard.

Littleton is scheme versatile. Would line up at ILB in a 3-4, weakside linebacker in a 4-3 and would be a 3 down player. His run defense is not great but with our investments up front (Tomlinson, Hill, Lawrence, and keeping Williams), we should be able to get by.

You also can't count on Connelly as he played very little and coming off injury. We need to sign a vet linebacker.

I'm looking to trade down in the draft and get more picks. I'm not opposed to paying for Littleton AND drafting Simmons.
RE: For the money gimme Nick Kwiatkoski  
WillVAB : 2/6/2020 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14805491 j_rud said:
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No, hes not the same caliber athlete as Littleton. But he'll command much less money and is good enough to win with. Hes the kind of FA I like to see them target: right age, right price, and an ascending player (played well and put up good numbers in relief of an injured Danny Trevathan).


I like this.

I think the Giants should be bargain shopping ILBís in FA, not paying top dollar for a name.

Use the big money on OL and pass rushers.
As a fan, hereís MY bottom line:  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 6:38 pm : link
I too want to save money to help fortify elsewhere. BUT, If CL is one of, if not, the best in the business as it pertains to covering the middle of the field, SPEND THE MONEY! I again say, I am sick and tired of getting shredded as we have for so many years. Sure, if you can find someone comparable at a nice savings, Iím all in. BUT, I do not want any LB unless he can FINALLY make a difference protecting the middle.
RE: As a fan, hereís MY bottom line:  
WillVAB : 2/6/2020 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14805527 Big Blue '56 said:
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I too want to save money to help fortify elsewhere. BUT, If CL is one of, if not, the best in the business as it pertains to covering the middle of the field, SPEND THE MONEY! I again say, I am sick and tired of getting shredded as we have for so many years. Sure, if you can find someone comparable at a nice savings, Iím all in. BUT, I do not want any LB unless he can FINALLY make a difference protecting the middle.


Iíd rather have a LB whoís physical in the run game and can blitz. Especially with the way the quality teams are winning football games now.
Pay for pass rushers and OTs  
JonC : 2/6/2020 8:43 pm : link
I'd also be looking for physical, downhill players because that's what 3-4 needs on its edges, and value inside at ILB.
RE: RE: As a fan, hereís MY bottom line:  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14805592 WillVAB said:
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I too want to save money to help fortify elsewhere. BUT, If CL is one of, if not, the best in the business as it pertains to covering the middle of the field, SPEND THE MONEY! I again say, I am sick and tired of getting shredded as we have for so many years. Sure, if you can find someone comparable at a nice savings, Iím all in. BUT, I do not want any LB unless he can FINALLY make a difference protecting the middle.



Iíd rather have a LB whoís physical in the run game and can blitz. Especially with the way the quality teams are winning football games now.


Will, I hear ya buddy. But dammit, the middle is whatís killing us virtually every game, for years and years..Iíll sacrifice something in the run game to finally get some help where weíve been hurt the most, especially during crucial times.
And, btw?  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 9:08 pm : link
If Simmons is that guy, even if heís lacking in some areas, sign me up.
RE: And, btw?  
Rjanyg : 2/6/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14805609 Big Blue '56 said:
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If Simmons is that guy, even if heís lacking in some areas, sign me up.


Simmons is a very good cover LB. He is an excellent blitzer and has good balls skills too. Iíd rather sign a top pass rusher and draft Simmons.
RE: RE: And, btw?  
Big Blue '56 : 2/6/2020 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14805614 Rjanyg said:
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If Simmons is that guy, even if heís lacking in some areas, sign me up.



Simmons is a very good cover LB. He is an excellent blitzer and has good balls skills too. Iíd rather sign a top pass rusher and draft Simmons.


If he can solve our middle problems or greatly improve it, Iíd be thrilled
I hope we trade down  
NYFootballGiants : 2/6/2020 9:52 pm : link
and get Kenneth Murray. We may even be able to trade down and still get Simmons. They will both be interesting to watch at the combine.
RE: RE: RE: As a fan, hereís MY bottom line:  
WillVAB : 2/6/2020 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14805605 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14805527 Big Blue '56 said:


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I too want to save money to help fortify elsewhere. BUT, If CL is one of, if not, the best in the business as it pertains to covering the middle of the field, SPEND THE MONEY! I again say, I am sick and tired of getting shredded as we have for so many years. Sure, if you can find someone comparable at a nice savings, Iím all in. BUT, I do not want any LB unless he can FINALLY make a difference protecting the middle.



Iíd rather have a LB whoís physical in the run game and can blitz. Especially with the way the quality teams are winning football games now.



Will, I hear ya buddy. But dammit, the middle is whatís killing us virtually every game, for years and years..Iíll sacrifice something in the run game to finally get some help where weíve been hurt the most, especially during crucial times.


I get it, but heís going to cost an arm and a leg. Hard to justify for a guy who isnít a game changer at the LB position.
RE: For the money gimme Nick Kwiatkoski  
Klaatu : 2/7/2020 7:24 am : link
In comment 14805491 j_rud said:
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No, hes not the same caliber athlete as Littleton. But he'll command much less money and is good enough to win with. Hes the kind of FA I like to see them target: right age, right price, and an ascending player (played well and put up good numbers in relief of an injured Danny Trevathan).


Hell yeah. This is one guy I hope the Giants target.

No, he's not the athlete that Littleton is, but he's tough, smart, has good instincts, and when he hits you, you stay hit. Watched him a lot at WVU, where he played Safety and all three LB spots. If you really want to "punch people in the nose for 60 minutes," you sign this kid to do it.
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