Justin Tuck - Hall of Fame?

But I do not think he is a HoF player. He had some great games and moments but at a premium position like DE the standards are very high and I am not sure he is even close. I think he also did a lot of his damage from the DT spot in our defense but that also wore him down greatly. He took a beating inside.

Out of that list Peyton and Charles Woodson stand out the most to me. Even Calvin Johnson I’m not sure about. He had a few great seasons but was hurt a lot the second half of his career and was on a crappy team which doesn’t help.

Longevity is the issue due to injuries. Had he stayed healthy and put together 2-3 more good years then he would have been deserving.

but not an NFL legend. Just not enough dominant years but was dominant in the playoffs.

Peyton Manning
Jared Allen
Charles Woodson
and Calvin Johnson

Logan Mankins is a tough call.

Not even close IMO, he’s behind some other Giants who won’t get in. Tiki, Simms. Probably even behind guys like Toomer and Plax. Memorable Giant but not a HOFer.

isn't in the books for him.

Tuck just doesn't have enough production to make it.

I forgot how good Jared Allen's numbers were. Eight seasons with double digit sacks and led the league 2X in sacks. Lots of forced fumbles, too. So I think he is sneaky interesting for first ballot status...

in, but I don’t think he’s a Hall of Famer

Because of the run game. Jared Allen was an excellent pass rusher and a bad dude, I'd vote him in as a HOFer over Tuck because of longevity, but his rush D was definitely lacking. I don't think Allen makes it 1st ballot.

Tuck was excellent for a little while and had two epic performances, but he was just hurt for too long.

Kevin Williams was an extremely underrated player. Kind of like how Calais Campbell gets overlooked today despite being a bad bad man for decade now. Will be interesting to see if Williams ends up in the HoF despite the complete lack of hype his career received.

Wes Welker will be interesting.

two Pro Bowl seasons, four seasons of 10+ sacks, one defensive touchdown, one time as a first team All-Pro.

His Super Bowl performances were both great and should be considered, but I don't think he gets in with that resume.

I always do wonder what his career might have been if he hadn't been cheap-shotted by that dirty ass Cowboys player in 2009 or 2010.

that Mankins and Tuck were nominated in the same year. I'll never forget the name Logan Mankins because of what Tuck did to that guy, twice.

I think Carl should be in. Tuck is outside but a great Giant none the less.

But his peak was fairly short due to injuries

If he never ruins Tuck's shoulder on that cheap bs....

Tuck's peak was too short (like many Giants of that era) Was absolutely a top 3 DE at his peak. Strong against run and pass, absolute murder on guards when they moved him inside.

was Tuck's performance in Glendale, AZ about twelve years ago.

Hall of Very Very Good.

But I'd like to look at a side by side of his career vs. Leonard Marshall's

Marshall never gets talked about(for HOF), but his career & numbers are pretty damn good.

Remind me to do it tomorrow if somebody doesn't want to do it first.

and a bunch of others, Erik Howard, Mark Collins, Osi, Toomer , Play and more played at HOF levels when we were winning Super, but weren't especially compilers. 2008 would have helped the Coughlin crew.

But not a HOFer.

He ranks...
#31 in receiving yards
#45 in receptions
#22 in receiving TDs

His team never won anything and he came up small in big games.

More hype than production.

is his ceiling.

on Tuck.

George Martin was probably better, and Carl Banks was a level better, he is not even close.

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In comment 14805599 EricJ said:

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He ranks... #31 in receiving yards #45 in receptions #22 in receiving TDs His team never won anything and he came up small in big games. More hype than production.

Calvin was a 3-time All Pro and had 296 yards between two career playoff gamez. How's that coming up small?

His lack of team success isn't his fault. Remember this when people blame Eli for the Giants lack of success since 2011.

But he was the best player in SB 42.

the guy was a monster. Not his fault the worst (or 2nd worst) franchise in the league drafted him and couldn’t field a competitive team, or give him a QB, or really do anything right.

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If he never ruins Tuck's shoulder on that cheap bs.... Tuck's peak was too short (like many Giants of that era) Was absolutely a top 3 DE at his peak. Strong against run and pass, absolute murder on guards when they moved him inside.

Spot on. I’ll never forget that cheap shot by Adams. Tuck had good seasons after that, but he was never the same player after that shoulder injury.

Did. Huge in both super bowls. Good thing Al Wilson failed his physical or Tuck is a Bronco.

His is the only jersey I own. It’s great that he’s been nominated and stands among these amazing players. Great, great Giant. Injuries interrupted a HOF career.

Leonard Marshall comes to mind too. All 3 had similar careers. Great players but probably a little short of HOF although what bothers me is there are guys in canton that weren’t any better than those 3.

Bavaro on the other hand should have definitely gone in. Tuck, Marshall and banks should get a whiff, but Bavaro should be in.

If there is a defender from that era who's close to HOF, it's JPP.

A lot of casual fans will scoff at that, but take a look at his sacks, TFL, passes defenses, and pressures. He's had a great career.

guys to get in back in the day, or guys had to wait longer. Guys are getting consideration now because they were decent players for long enough to have their name remembered. Not talking about anyone in particular, as there are obviously some very deserving names on that list. Don't think Tuck belongs in. If everyone got in, they'd have to make more space for all the busts. That and it wouldn't mean as much for anyone to make it. Just my opinion.

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He ranks... #31 in receiving yards #45 in receptions #22 in receiving TDs His team never won anything and he came up small in big games. More hype than production.

Did you ever watch him play? Definitely doesn't sound like you did.. Megatron is #4 all time recording yards per game and had he not retired early and waited just 1 more season he could've gotten top 20 easy.

then Tuck ....

who on that list comes before him besides Manning and Woodson?

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Leonard Marshall comes to mind too. All 3 had similar careers. Great players but probably a little short of HOF although what bothers me is there are guys in canton that weren’t any better than those 3. Bavaro on the other hand should have definitely gone in. Tuck, Marshall and banks should get a whiff, but Bavaro should be in.

I wholeheartedly agree about Bavaro. I do wonder why anyone mentions tiki for the Hall of Fame.

Was better and it’s a joke he is not in the giants ring of honor

And most people thought he was one of the top few to ever play the position. If Gayle Sayers can get in for a few superlative seasons, so should Mark Bavaro.

But not a Hall of Fame Career.

He is a great Giant and has done a lot for this team but I don't think he is in the discussion for Hall of Fame.

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In comment 14805599 EricJ said: Quote: He ranks... #31 in receiving yards #45 in receptions #22 in receiving TDs His team never won anything and he came up small in big games. More hype than production. Did you ever watch him play? Definitely doesn't sound like you did.. Megatron is #4 all time recording yards per game and had he not retired early and waited just 1 more season he could've gotten top 20 easy.

Yes, I watched him play. I know he was a physically imposing player and was much taller than the typically DB. Talent does not = hall of fame. We will be saying the same thing about OBJ one day.

I watched Megatron closely and too often he simply relied on a jumb ball situation. Was not the best route runner either. He came up small in big games like I originally mentioned. I watched many games where the opponent would put two players on him and they would shut him down. He would have a HUGE game and then would be quiet for two games.

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had he not retired early and waited just 1 more season he could've gotten top 20 easy.

yeah this too.. so if he stayed in the league then maybe he should get in.. but he didn't.

Should we be saying "If Tiki did not end his career early... " ?

You should never get in the HOF based upon projected stats and accomplishments. He chose to leave the game early and risked not getting in to the HOF.

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He ranks... #31 in receiving yards #45 in receptions #22 in receiving TDs His team never won anything and he came up small in big games. More hype than production.

So you're using All-time stats and team accomplishments for a guy that retired early and was on a franchise that couldn't field a competitive team. Makes complete sense.

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If he never ruins Tuck's shoulder on that cheap bs.... Tuck's peak was too short (like many Giants of that era) Was absolutely a top 3 DE at his peak. Strong against run and pass, absolute murder on guards when they moved him inside.

Beat me to it, but it's worth saying again. Fuck Flozell Adams.

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Yes, I watched him play. I know he was a physically imposing player and was much taller than the typically DB. Talent does not = hall of fame. We will be saying the same thing about OBJ one day. I watched Megatron closely and too often he simply relied on a jumb ball situation. Was not the best route runner either. He came up small in big games like I originally mentioned. I watched many games where the opponent would put two players on him and they would shut him down. He would have a HUGE game and then would be quiet for two games.

How many big games did he even play in his career? He played in 2 playoff games in his career. He had a ridiculous 12 catches for 211 yards and 2 TDs in one of the games and a solid 5 catches for 85 yards in the other. The 211 yards performance is one of only 8 in NFL history. But I'm sure you'll say it doesn't count because "he" lost.

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I watched many games where the opponent would put two players on him and they would shut him down

What a ridiculous comment. You watched many games where the defense was forced to put 2 players on him, yet you question how impactful he was on the field?

He's a HOFer just like Patrick Willis and Luke Kuechly are HOFers.

WTF?

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WTF?

He's just eligible, not elected

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In comment 14805902 FranknWeezer said: Quote: WTF? He's just eligible, not elected

Hold the Mayo!

Sorry...couldn't resist.

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And most people thought he was one of the top few to ever play the position. If Gayle Sayers can get in for a few superlative seasons, so should Mark Bavaro.

I'm just not sure Bavaro had the few "superlative" seasons. Definitely '86.

I guess you could argue '87 if not for the strike...?

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In comment 14805771 Greg from LI said: Quote: And most people thought he was one of the top few to ever play the position. If Gayle Sayers can get in for a few superlative seasons, so should Mark Bavaro. I'm just not sure Bavaro had the few "superlative" seasons. Definitely '86. I guess you could argue '87 if not for the strike...?

BTW, this is the perfect argument for Sterling Sharpe. Just look at his career before he got hurt. His numbers were Rice-ish...It's a crime he doesn't get more consideration.

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In comment 14805674 chuckydee9 said: Quote: had he not retired early and waited just 1 more season he could've gotten top 20 easy. yeah this too.. so if he stayed in the league then maybe he should get in.. but he didn't. Should we be saying "If Tiki did not end his career early... " ? You should never get in the HOF based upon projected stats and accomplishments. He chose to leave the game early and risked not getting in to the HOF.

No that's not what I said.. you are only taking one sentence and making an assumption.. I argued his point by showing that Megatron was #4 all time in yards per game.. which is much higher than tiki.. from 2010 to 2014.. Megatron was probably the best WR in the league.. He only had 2 years without 1000 yards.. his rookie and 1 season where he missed by 16 yards.. he was the only good player on that team and was double teamed all the time.. if you are stupid enough to disqualify him simply because he ranks 31 amongst WR in total yards than you don't watch football.. there are may be 10 WR in the history of football that were as good as him..

was way more dominant than Tuck. And I loved Tuck.

There's a very good case to be made that Tuck could have shared an MVP award in one or both of those SB wins. His performances were phenomenal, but overlooked because he's not at the marquee position.

If the NFL didn't idolize QBs Eli would not have received both. He would never have a chance of getting into the HOF without them, and if Tuck had one or both, people would be talking about him alot differently.....

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There's a very good case to be made that Tuck could have shared an MVP award in one or both of those SB wins. His performances were phenomenal, but overlooked because he's not at the marquee position. If the NFL didn't idolize QBs Eli would not have received both. He would never have a chance of getting into the HOF without them, and if Tuck had one or both, people would be talking about him alot differently.....

Perhaps there is a reason Qb's get more credit for the success of the team and more blame for the failure of a team. Think about it, they touch the ball pretty much every offensive play. Qb's like the Manning's had more responsibilities in their respective offenses. Your tone indicates Eli didn't deserve either MVP, while you're certainly free to have your opinion, I find that opinion to be ridiculous.