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PFF top 101, Zero Giants

broadbandz : 2/6/2020 11:22 pm
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-101-players-from-the-2019-nfl-season

I guess you guys who said the roster just flat out sucks were kinda proven right.
I’m surprised  
The_Boss : 2/6/2020 11:27 pm : link
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anyone  
MookGiants : 2/6/2020 11:51 pm : link
who thinks the roster doesn't suck has zero clue what the hell they're watching.

Daniel Jones is the hope for the future. The rest of the roster is a total train wreck.

Some people think it has to be a talent issue or a Shurmur issue. In reality the last 2 years Shurmur was the Giants 3rd biggest problem. Gettleman and the roster were the top 2.

The coaching sucked for sure, but it's a remarkably bad roster.
No surprise.  
MtDizzle : 2/6/2020 11:55 pm : link
Other than Barkley we have zero game changers and either side of the ball.
Typo  
MtDizzle : 2/6/2020 11:56 pm : link
On*
Barkely  
Marty866b : 2/7/2020 12:06 am : link
Is not in the top 101? If that is true, that list has zero validity.
RE: Barkely  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/7/2020 12:26 am : link
In comment 14805697 Marty866b said:
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Is not in the top 101? If that is true, that list has zero validity.


He was injured and missed time this past year, but obviously that's a nut fuck.

And the two idiotic comments above yours that miss that fact says a fuck of a lot more about the guys who posted than about Dave Gettleman, IMO.
gettleman has fixed  
japanhead : 2/7/2020 12:52 am : link
a few problems. starting QB, starting RB, starting SS, the DL, and half the OL look set. the rest of the position groups have a ways to go. all the young players are unproven. who are the established vet leaders? zeitler? solder?

doesnt seem like a stretch at this point to say no giants are top 101.
RE: gettleman has fixed  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/7/2020 1:43 am : link
In comment 14805702 japanhead said:
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a few problems. starting QB, starting RB, starting SS, the DL, and half the OL look set. the rest of the position groups have a ways to go. all the young players are unproven. who are the established vet leaders? zeitler? solder?

doesnt seem like a stretch at this point to say no giants are top 101.


The vet leaders are (supposed to be) Zeitler, Solder, Ogletree, Bethea, Golden and now I guess, going forward, Williams.

Zeitler, Golden and Williams can play. The other three have been awful on the field, so their "leadership" comes at a high cost. In Solder's and Ogletree's cases they both cost way too much both literally and figuratively.

But if you want to look at why the team doesn't have lots of top 100 players, look at the prior GM, not Gettleman. In a year or three it will be on DG.
The team is lacking in upper end talent  
UberAlias : 2/7/2020 5:03 am : link
We need a difference maker @4 or trade down.
A couple of things.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/7/2020 5:33 am : link
1, this is a product of winning. Hiw many 9ers are on that list? Now, compare that to 2018.

2. I agree that we need more top tier talent but some of our youngs can grow into that. We'll see. That is why I laugh when people keep saying that we can be just like the Niners next year. No. The Niners sucked for years and it took them more than one offseason to acquire the talent they did. We may need at least another year to even think about something like that. It is a fallacy that turnarounds happen quickly in the NFL. You cannot turn it around in a year unless you were like the Niners, had talent already, your team got healthy, and you had decent coaching, etc. The Niners didn't turn it around in one year. People like to believe they did but they didn't. It took many years for them. Same with the Rams when McVay took over. They had talent. It took years to acquire the talent they had AND Fisher was holding that team back.

So, we'll see what happens. If we do make the playoffs next year, to me, that means that we do have talent that was severely underutilized by the prior coaching staff AND the rest of the NFC East sucked again like this current year.

But, you'll be sure of one thing, if we start winning you'll see more than 0 on that list.
This thread reveals a lot re:posters attitude  
lcrim : 2/7/2020 6:43 am : link
When viewing your posts in the future, I can't help but remember what you expressed here.
There are 31 other teams you can follow.

Certainly there should be standards but this should be fun. I've been A Giants fan since the 1950's and I'm optimistic about this season .

Larry
RE: anyone  
M.S. : 2/7/2020 7:06 am : link
In comment 14805690 MookGiants said:
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who thinks the roster doesn't suck has zero clue what the hell they're watching.

Daniel Jones is the hope for the future. The rest of the roster is a total train wreck.

Some people think it has to be a talent issue or a Shurmur issue. In reality the last 2 years Shurmur was the Giants 3rd biggest problem. Gettleman and the roster were the top 2.

The coaching sucked for sure, but it's a remarkably bad roster.

While I certainly agree that our roster is as bad as anything in the NFL; and I also agree that Pat Shurmur just doesn't have what it takes to be a successful Head Coach; I just do not believe Dave Gettleman is "the problem," and I say that knowing full well that he fucked up bigtime with his Nate Solder singing (not to mention others).
Saquan  
Rong5611 : 2/7/2020 7:20 am : link
Should be in the Top 100.

But, don't disagree, our roster is terrible. We are two seasons away from contending for the division.
I feel the same way I've felt about the Giants for a long time  
jcn56 : 2/7/2020 7:32 am : link
there's a scouting problem. They can't scout college players or pro players well. FA and the draft have both been a problem. Coaching staffs have come and gone, and the results have been largely the same (if not getting worse).

I don't think Gettleman was the right hire, but I think the problem goes a lot farther than just him. I'm hoping that the new coaching staff is better at evaluating talent and can make a case for better players moving forward.

I just hope that Jones doesn't regress in that timeframe. For all you want to say about Shurmur - he might not have been a good head coach, and maybe his staff was no good - the guy has had excellent results working with QBs during his career. I hope that Jones can take what he was given this year and build on it, and doesn't somehow slip backwards.
RE: Barkely  
LS : 2/7/2020 7:43 am : link
In comment 14805697 Marty866b said:
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Is not in the top 101? If that is true, that list has zero validity.


Also, a list where he is not top 50 has zero validity with me.
RE: RE: Barkely  
Big Blue '56 : 2/7/2020 7:49 am : link
In comment 14805737 LS said:
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Is not in the top 101? If that is true, that list has zero validity.



Also, a list where he is not top 50 has zero validity with me.


Or 15
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2020 7:53 am : link
still stung by the Barkley pick, eh?

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anyone
MookGiants : 2/6/2020 11:51 pm : link : reply
who thinks the roster doesn't suck has zero clue what the hell they're watching.

Daniel Jones is the hope for the future. The rest of the roster is a total train wreck.


Barkley's a train wreck?? OK.
Why in hell does PFF  
DonnieD89 : 2/7/2020 8:04 am : link
continue to be sited on this board? We all know that the Giants suck, but Nerd Turd stat siting should not be considered gospel.
RE: LOL..  
DonnieD89 : 2/7/2020 8:09 am : link
In comment 14805740 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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still stung by the Barkley pick, eh?



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anyone
MookGiants : 2/6/2020 11:51 pm : link : reply
who thinks the roster doesn't suck has zero clue what the hell they're watching.

Daniel Jones is the hope for the future. The rest of the roster is a total train wreck.



Barkley's a train wreck?? OK.


Barkley missed 4 fucking games and still put up good stats. It’s just a joke.
RE: A couple of things.  
jcn56 : 2/7/2020 8:14 am : link
In comment 14805712 robbieballs2003 said:
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1, this is a product of winning. Hiw many 9ers are on that list? Now, compare that to 2018.

2. I agree that we need more top tier talent but some of our youngs can grow into that. We'll see. That is why I laugh when people keep saying that we can be just like the Niners next year. No. The Niners sucked for years and it took them more than one offseason to acquire the talent they did. We may need at least another year to even think about something like that. It is a fallacy that turnarounds happen quickly in the NFL. You cannot turn it around in a year unless you were like the Niners, had talent already, your team got healthy, and you had decent coaching, etc. The Niners didn't turn it around in one year. People like to believe they did but they didn't. It took many years for them. Same with the Rams when McVay took over. They had talent. It took years to acquire the talent they had AND Fisher was holding that team back.

So, we'll see what happens. If we do make the playoffs next year, to me, that means that we do have talent that was severely underutilized by the prior coaching staff AND the rest of the NFC East sucked again like this current year.

But, you'll be sure of one thing, if we start winning you'll see more than 0 on that list.


Isn't that all sort of obvious? They're grading individual play, and on good teams you're going to find much better individual play as well, that's why they're good.

On a bad team like the Giants - they don't just collectively suck, there are a lot of bad individual performances. When Nate Solder engages his man and is immediately pushed backwards 3 feet, it's hard to blame the coaching, unlike when the right side of the line completely misses a stunt and guys go walking in free.

I don't know how much stock to put in the list, because even on a team as bad as the Giants you would figure one of Jones, Barkley, Slayton or Golden would have found their way into the top 100. Then again, they seem pretty selective with Clowney coming in at 80. It's likely that Barkley's missed games cost him by their model.
top 101  
nochance : 2/7/2020 8:14 am : link
They didn't say the top 101 Talentwise. They said the top 101 for the 2019 season. Last year was a disaster and for 2019 it wasn't far from the truth. The top 101 for the 2020 season will change completely and remains to be seen.
Should also add - if they take snaps into consideration  
jcn56 : 2/7/2020 8:16 am : link
then both Barkley and Jones would likely be docked considering both missed time to injury and Jones didn't start out of the gate.
RE: A couple of things.  
Klaatu : 2/7/2020 8:17 am : link
In comment 14805712 robbieballs2003 said:
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1, this is a product of winning. Hiw many 9ers are on that list? Now, compare that to 2018.

2. I agree that we need more top tier talent but some of our youngs can grow into that. We'll see. That is why I laugh when people keep saying that we can be just like the Niners next year. No. The Niners sucked for years and it took them more than one offseason to acquire the talent they did. We may need at least another year to even think about something like that. It is a fallacy that turnarounds happen quickly in the NFL. You cannot turn it around in a year unless you were like the Niners, had talent already, your team got healthy, and you had decent coaching, etc. The Niners didn't turn it around in one year. People like to believe they did but they didn't. It took many years for them. Same with the Rams when McVay took over. They had talent. It took years to acquire the talent they had AND Fisher was holding that team back.

So, we'll see what happens. If we do make the playoffs next year, to me, that means that we do have talent that was severely underutilized by the prior coaching staff AND the rest of the NFC East sucked again like this current year.

But, you'll be sure of one thing, if we start winning you'll see more than 0 on that list.


You hit the nail on the head.

I do think the Giants have a few good, young players who will benefit from better coaching, but they also need an infusion of talent on both sides of the ball. At minimum, their offensive line needs to be rebuilt, and they need at least one bona fide "difference-maker" on defense, a guy opposing OC's have to account for. I would add more skill at WR and TE, but only after the first two have been addressed.

The opportunity is there to begin getting it done. I just wish I had more confidence in the FO getting it done right.
We shouldnt be surprised by this  
Rudy5757 : 2/7/2020 8:53 am : link
Bad teams generally have bad play. It doesn't mean all of the talent is bad but what happens a lot of times is good players try to cover other players responsibilities and then their play suffers as well. Some of that is coaching.

For those that say Barkley should be on that list you werent watching him most of the season. He did not play well. Remember there are 22 starting positions and Barkley was not a top 5 back last season. Forget about the stats he was average more times than not and his blocking is as bad as I have seen. The kid is a tremendous talent but something wasnt clicking for him last season. Maybe the injury, maybe coaching was taking away his natural ability and he was thinking too much but he was hesitant for much of the season.

I didnt see top 5 play from any of our players, there were flashes but no one was a consistent performer.
The Giants have a lot of  
section125 : 2/7/2020 9:06 am : link
marginal players, but anyone that does not think that coaching and scheming doesn't make a difference in the quality of play is clueless.

Since the Giants have been so bad and the players look talent-less I have been looking at the names of the players on other teams. What I see is a lot of no names playing well. What I think is Judge and his staff are likely to bring out the best in the players that already on the roster. Can anyone explain why Hernandez and Zeitler looked so marginal last year? Why Solder has fallen off the tracks? If those guys were on the Patriots, Ravens, 9ers would they be that bad? No they would not.

Yes there are some pretty bad players on the Giants. But there is some pretty good talent there also. Tomlinson and Carter started to shine a bit toward the end of the season, for example. It is my humble opinion that a good coaching staff will be able to get more out of many of the existing players.

Yes they need more talent is certain areas, game changing ability. Hopefully they can get one or two in the draft. Snag a Darius Slayton or two further down in the draft.

I am firmly convinced that Garrett is going to vastly change the offense by better utilizing Barkley, Tate and Shepard and maybe the TEs. Barkley must touch the ball 25 to 30 times per game. He is always one step from being gone. He is an edge of the seat player, like when Brian Leetch would pick up a puck in the defensive zone, you just had a feeling he was going to make a rush all the way to the goal.
Free agents ?  
Archer : 2/7/2020 9:10 am : link
How many of the players in the top 101 are free agents?
RE: gettleman has fixed  
TyreeHelmet : 2/7/2020 9:13 am : link
In comment 14805702 japanhead said:
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a few problems. starting QB, starting RB, starting SS, the DL, and half the OL look set. the rest of the position groups have a ways to go. all the young players are unproven. who are the established vet leaders? zeitler? solder?

doesnt seem like a stretch at this point to say no giants are top 101.


Gettleman hasn’t fixed those problems yet.
Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
Default : 2/7/2020 9:14 am : link
when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.
RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
section125 : 2/7/2020 9:31 am : link
In comment 14805786 Default said:
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when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.


You can apply that to almost any player in the NFL. In that case, it is hard to gain yardage when the defense is meeting you at the handoff...
Lamar was NFL MVP and deservedly so, how did he look against the Titans? (wasn't as bad as Barkley against the Jets, but...)
RE: RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
Default : 2/7/2020 9:41 am : link
In comment 14805794 section125 said:
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when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.



You can apply that to almost any player in the NFL. In that case, it is hard to gain yardage when the defense is meeting you at the handoff...
Lamar was NFL MVP and deservedly so, how did he look against the Titans? (wasn't as bad as Barkley against the Jets, but...)


I agree in principle.

But the Titans were a team that won multiple playoff games, Jets were 7-9.
Let’s not forget the Jets stuffed Barkley after trading their “best run stopper” to the Giants.
On top of that you have the Darnold/Barkley thing.
It was overall a very embarrassing performance by Barkley.
RE: RE: RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
Giantology : 2/7/2020 9:54 am : link
In comment 14805800 Default said:
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In comment 14805794 section125 said:


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In comment 14805786 Default said:


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when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.



You can apply that to almost any player in the NFL. In that case, it is hard to gain yardage when the defense is meeting you at the handoff...
Lamar was NFL MVP and deservedly so, how did he look against the Titans? (wasn't as bad as Barkley against the Jets, but...)



I agree in principle.

But the Titans were a team that won multiple playoff games, Jets were 7-9.
Let’s not forget the Jets stuffed Barkley after trading their “best run stopper” to the Giants.
On top of that you have the Darnold/Barkley thing.
It was overall a very embarrassing performance by Barkley.


You don't know when to quit being a fucking moron, do you? Is Barkley supposed to magically be 100% from a high ankle sprain and all manage to block for himself? The only thing embarrassing here is you, stupid fuckstick.
RE: A couple of things.  
Simms11 : 2/7/2020 9:55 am : link
In comment 14805712 robbieballs2003 said:
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1, this is a product of winning. Hiw many 9ers are on that list? Now, compare that to 2018.

2. I agree that we need more top tier talent but some of our youngs can grow into that. We'll see. That is why I laugh when people keep saying that we can be just like the Niners next year. No. The Niners sucked for years and it took them more than one offseason to acquire the talent they did. We may need at least another year to even think about something like that. It is a fallacy that turnarounds happen quickly in the NFL. You cannot turn it around in a year unless you were like the Niners, had talent already, your team got healthy, and you had decent coaching, etc. The Niners didn't turn it around in one year. People like to believe they did but they didn't. It took many years for them. Same with the Rams when McVay took over. They had talent. It took years to acquire the talent they had AND Fisher was holding that team back.

So, we'll see what happens. If we do make the playoffs next year, to me, that means that we do have talent that was severely underutilized by the prior coaching staff AND the rest of the NFC East sucked again like this current year.

But, you'll be sure of one thing, if we start winning you'll see more than 0 on that list.


Good post Robbie. I agree with this assessment and truly believe we have a solid foundation. I think good coaching and better use of the personnel will go a long way in improving this team, as well. DG does need another solid off-season though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
Default : 2/7/2020 10:00 am : link
In comment 14805804 Giantology said:
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when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.



You can apply that to almost any player in the NFL. In that case, it is hard to gain yardage when the defense is meeting you at the handoff...
Lamar was NFL MVP and deservedly so, how did he look against the Titans? (wasn't as bad as Barkley against the Jets, but...)



I agree in principle.

But the Titans were a team that won multiple playoff games, Jets were 7-9.
Let’s not forget the Jets stuffed Barkley after trading their “best run stopper” to the Giants.
On top of that you have the Darnold/Barkley thing.
It was overall a very embarrassing performance by Barkley.



You don't know when to quit being a fucking moron, do you? Is Barkley supposed to magically be 100% from a high ankle sprain and all manage to block for himself? The only thing embarrassing here is you, stupid fuckstick.


lol you’re a fucking clown
Can't say this is surprising  
Metnut : 2/7/2020 10:03 am : link
Gettleman has put together a really underwhelming NYG roster. We've all seen the awful product on the field the past two years. People can rip on PFF all they want, but they are right on-target here IMO.

For those complaining about Barkley not being on the list, how can Barkley make the top 100 in production when he missed a large portion of the season, wasn't 100% when he came back, and was atrocious at pass-blocking (per BBI's own Sy)? Maybe he can have the type of year we're hoping for next year if he stays healthy (which is hard for RBs to do) and improves his blocking.

For all of our sake, we need to hope that coaching was a huge issue with roster under-performance and that Gettleman can add a lot of talent this offseason.
I don't think the roster is that bad  
Giants in 07 : 2/7/2020 10:09 am : link
Young is the word I would use

The defense will look a lot better if our young CB's take a step up in their second year
There are 100 players  
KeoweeFan : 2/7/2020 10:57 am : link
better than Dexter Lawrence?
RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/7/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14805786 Default said:
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when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.


The train of stupidity just keeps rolling along with this guy. Posts almost exclusively to shit on Barkley.

By the way, Zeke wonders how he's a top 5 back gaining 35 yards on 18 carries in a 12-10 loss to NO.

How about Gurley having a 15 yard day and a 22 yard day last year? Both in losses?

Or how about the Jets own Le'Veon Bell who started 15 games last season, didn't break 100 yards, and who had 34 yards on 18 carries against the Giants.

I'd ask for some fucking perspective, but that isn't what you want.
Man, if I actually gave a shit about PFF  
Anakim : 2/7/2020 11:38 am : link
I might be pissed off
RE: There are 100 players  
jcn56 : 2/7/2020 11:41 am : link
In comment 14805912 KeoweeFan said:
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better than Dexter Lawrence?


According to PFF, there were 100 players who played better than Dexter Lawrence.

I didn't examine their list with a fine toothed comb, but they had a lot of good players there and backed it up with some description. 100 is just over 3 per team, so it's not as if being off the list was some sort of gross omission.
RE: RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
Default : 2/7/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 14805961 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.



The train of stupidity just keeps rolling along with this guy. Posts almost exclusively to shit on Barkley.

By the way, Zeke wonders how he's a top 5 back gaining 35 yards on 18 carries in a 12-10 loss to NO.

How about Gurley having a 15 yard day and a 22 yard day last year? Both in losses?

Or how about the Jets own Le'Veon Bell who started 15 games last season, didn't break 100 yards, and who had 34 yards on 18 carries against the Giants.

I'd ask for some fucking perspective, but that isn't what you want.


Atleast they cracked double digits lol, pointing out other poor performances doesn’t take away the embarrassing game Barkley had against the Jets.

Here’s a non-Barkley thought, Jones makes this list if his fumbles were cut in half.
there are around 1,700 players in the NFL,  
Del Shofner : 2/7/2020 12:13 pm : link
more if you count injured lists, etc.

Top 100 is the top 6% or so.

I have no problem concluding none of the 2019 Giants played well enough - in 2019 - to be on the list. It's not that different from the fact that we had no All-Pro or Pro Bowl players this year.
RE: RE: RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
djm : 2/7/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14805982 Default said:
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when you rush for 1 yard on 13 carries against the big bad Jets.

Better luck next year and hopefully staying healthy.



The train of stupidity just keeps rolling along with this guy. Posts almost exclusively to shit on Barkley.

By the way, Zeke wonders how he's a top 5 back gaining 35 yards on 18 carries in a 12-10 loss to NO.

How about Gurley having a 15 yard day and a 22 yard day last year? Both in losses?

Or how about the Jets own Le'Veon Bell who started 15 games last season, didn't break 100 yards, and who had 34 yards on 18 carries against the Giants.

I'd ask for some fucking perspective, but that isn't what you want.



Atleast they cracked double digits lol, pointing out other poor performances doesn’t take away the embarrassing game Barkley had against the Jets.

Here’s a non-Barkley thought, Jones makes this list if his fumbles were cut in half.


while this is a non barkley thought, it's still ridiculous and flat out false. Jones is a young QB who the hell even cares where he's ranked, but he's not a made NFL player yet. Fumbles or not. And to suggest otherwise...yeah...i'll stop now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hard to make an argument for being a top 5 player at your position  
Default : 2/7/2020 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14806106 djm said:
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while this is a non barkley thought, it's still ridiculous and flat out false. Jones is a young QB who the hell even cares where he's ranked, but he's not a made NFL player yet. Fumbles or not. And to suggest otherwise...yeah...i'll stop now.


You probably should, saying that a rookie QB who threw 4 or more TDs in 3 games with abysmal talent around him isn't an NFL player is a stupid take.
Barkley is on the list  
KWALL2 : 2/7/2020 2:27 pm : link
And very high on the list even with the lower production in 2019z. Anybody questioning this guys skills is a fool. Nobody else on the Giants is close.

We suck. Long way to go to get to average NFL team.
Won 12 games in 3 years and  
LBH15 : 2/7/2020 6:33 pm : link
there is some debate that the Giants have players that are being unfairly rated?
Anyone thinking SB should have been on list  
giantstock : 2/8/2020 12:31 am : link
Is either/or a combination of an idiot or complete homer. Games you don't play counts against you. And when you come back quickly after an injury but struggle in a few games just because you are hurt -- you don't get positive points for that in a top 100 list. But some of you only see things through blue-tinted glasses.

I expect if SB is healthy he'll be on the list. Just give him a a better OLINE and he'l probably be a beast. But let's stop with the bullshit please. He wasn't ""that" this year.
RE: LOL..  
MookGiants : 2/8/2020 2:24 am : link
In comment 14805740 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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still stung by the Barkley pick, eh?



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anyone
MookGiants : 2/6/2020 11:51 pm : link : reply
who thinks the roster doesn't suck has zero clue what the hell they're watching.

Daniel Jones is the hope for the future. The rest of the roster is a total train wreck.



Barkley's a train wreck?? OK.


Let me know where I said Barkley is a train wreck.

Good player, but he's still a running back last I checked and having him on the roster does not change what the roster is, and that is a train wreck.

Barkley's play in 2019 was not top 101 worthy; 2018, sure. 2019 way too inconsistent and injury riddled.

Having a very good running back on the roster doesn't give me hope for the future, especially when the Giants are pissing away his prime years.

When you have zero difference makers at premium positions outside of hoping Jones will be one, you have a train wreck of a roster.
RE: I don't think the roster is that bad  
MookGiants : 2/8/2020 2:28 am : link
In comment 14805836 Giants in 07 said:
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Young is the word I would use

The defense will look a lot better if our young CB's take a step up in their second year


Which roster would you take the Giants roster over in the NFL right now?

At most you could make an argument for 3-4 teams.

Defense has very little pass rush. Terrible safeties. Terrible linebackers. The CB's will need help in other areas to take a step forward.

What is the "strength" of the roster right now? When your "strengths" are DT and RB, you have a major problem.
The offensive line  
MookGiants : 2/8/2020 2:34 am : link
likely is going to need 4 new starters by the time the Giants are good again.

Solder, Halapio and Remmers for sure. Hernandez can be a solid player but ideally he would be Giants 3rd best lineman. Zeitler is alright but he's another guy I'd be looking to upgrade if possible. He had an injury riddled season but I think he was wildly overrated coming into the season by fans.

Having Barkley with this line and the shape the roster of the roster is in is a total waste of his rookie deal
PFF's Top 50 NFL rookies includes 4 Giants  
Ira : 2/8/2020 6:17 am : link
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