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I was bored and re-watched parts of XXI and XXV

Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 9:49 am
Not the full games but key drives and plays. Man, the Giants have had some great teams and memories.

My favorite moment was XXI was the flea flicker that set the Giants up on the 1-yard line. One play later, Morris scores and the game is all but over. But Parcells starts screaming at his players on the sideline because he knows the game isn't over.

XXV. How can you beat that 10-minute drive to start the 3rd quarter!!? The first time the Bills get the ball in the second half, there is only 5 minutes left in the quarter!
I have to have watched those games a few hundred times each by now  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 10:00 am : link
Even well before they were on DVD and Youtube, dad and I wore our VCR recording of them out. However, even now it still surprises me sometimes how slowly they started in XXI before they just annihilated Denver in the second half.

That goal line stand that led to the Karlis miss was something else. Three legendary LBs, three tackles. LT chases down Elway on first down, Carson blew up a block and stuffed an inside run on second down, and Banks got the tackle on a toss outside that had about 5 guys all over it.
I think the only drive that can come close  
bigblue5611_2 : 2/7/2020 10:01 am : link
though it didn't result in a TD was the opening drive of XLII, a SB record of 9 minutes and 59 seconds. Definitely set the tone for the game and was a page right out of Parcells playbook against his best disciple.
RE: I have to have watched those games a few hundred times each by now  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 10:02 am : link
In comment 14805814 Greg from LI said:
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Even well before they were on DVD and Youtube, dad and I wore our VCR recording of them out. However, even now it still surprises me sometimes how slowly they started in XXI before they just annihilated Denver in the second half.

That goal line stand that led to the Karlis miss was something else. Three legendary LBs, three tackles. LT chases down Elway on first down, Carson blew up a block and stuffed an inside run on second down, and Banks got the tackle on a toss outside that had about 5 guys all over it.


I just saw a Giants.com video on XXI where one of the players said the heat REALLY bothered them in the first half. They weren't used to it. They said they felt rejuvenated in the second half with the sun down.
Summerall and Madden actually talked about that  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 10:05 am : link
I remember Madden saying that it can't be easy to go from playing three playoff games in 20-30 degree weather in NY to LA sunshine. I think it was close to 80 degrees at kickoff.
two playoff games, not three  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 10:05 am : link
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Greg  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 10:08 am : link
Check out the comments at the 5-minute mark...

10 years from now we'll still be looking back to these  
micky : 2/7/2020 10:08 am : link
Super Bowls as only good thing to happen with this team
So glad McConkey got his TD later on...  
Klaatu : 2/7/2020 10:11 am : link
After coming up a yard short on the flea-flicker. Loved his "tantrum" after he didn't get it then.

So many memorable plays from XXV. Engram's catch and run, Hoss hanging onto the ball, Anderson's uppercut. Man, what a game.
You HAVE to go back and watch those teams/games occasionally  
David B. : 2/7/2020 10:16 am : link
to remember what defense is supposed to look like.
yup  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 10:19 am : link
If Judge is for real when it comes to the kind of team he says he wants to build and we see real Giants defense again, I'll love that man for life.
RE: You HAVE to go back and watch those teams/games occasionally  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14805840 David B. said:
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to remember what defense is supposed to look like.


THIS. The 2011 playoff run overshadowed how bad the 2011 defense was in the regular season.
RE: You HAVE to go back and watch those teams/games occasionally  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 14805840 David B. said:
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to remember what defense is supposed to look like.


And if you want to see a linebacker who utterly dominated the game, watch Carl Banks in the 1986 playoff win over the 49ers and again Banks in XXI.
Iíve rewatched the 86 playoff games many teams  
mfsd : 2/7/2020 10:30 am : link
What always jumps out is although LT was league MVP and dominant that season, in the playoffs Carl Banks was the best player on the field.

Teams were of course trying anything to stop/avoid LT, but Banks was just ragdolling RBs and TEs.

LT and Banks in their prime together were the best OLB tandem in the history of football. Iíll have words with anyone who disagrees.
Banks was dominant  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 10:30 am : link
Best player on the defense in the playoffs. Outshone LT. I don't know if it was because teams were so focused on LT or what, but it was Banks making all the big plays.
what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 10:33 am : link
I don't really understand is why Banks play fell off after the strike season. (Banks was AS GOOD as LT during the strike season once the players returned). He wasn't bad after that, but he wasn't the same dominate player.
What the defense did to the Bills receivers would be criminal today  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/7/2020 10:36 am : link
There isnt enough money to pay for the fines by todays rule standards.
That was Belichek's plan......  
GiantBlue : 2/7/2020 10:46 am : link
Besides his two man fronts and the DB's keeping the plays in front of them.....hit those receivers every chance you get. Make them pay for the catches and look up as the ball is coming to them.

We had some big DB's back then and they laid the lumbar...especially on Lofton.
and Reed  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 10:47 am : link
I can remember to this day Reed in the SI postgame article saying something like "I've never been hit that hard in my life"
what weird  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 10:52 am : link
is there are things that still make me nervous even though I know the outcome. One is the Hail Mary pass to Gronk in the last Super Bowl. The other is the last Bills drive.
RE: what  
Matt in SGS : 2/7/2020 10:52 am : link
In comment 14805867 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't really understand is why Banks play fell off after the strike season. (Banks was AS GOOD as LT during the strike season once the players returned). He wasn't bad after that, but he wasn't the same dominate player.


He fell victim to the holdout issues in the 1980s. Banks held out for a new contract before 1988 and he wasn't the same player. It was fairly typical that when a guy held out in the 1980s, they almost never came back and played well. Bavaro was the same thing in 1988 as well. Bavaro was actually better in 1987 than his breakout in 1986. If not for the strike, he'd have had 1200+ yards.

Banks started to play better in 1989, but not as dominant as 86-87. And 1990 he broke his wrist and missed most of the season before coming back at the end.

But to me, his play dropped off from an elite level after his hold out to a good player.
Among the players in the DB rotation  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 10:55 am : link
Guyton, Collins, Jackson, and Duerson could all really hit.
RE: and Reed  
Klaatu : 2/7/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14805896 Greg from LI said:
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I can remember to this day Reed in the SI postgame article saying something like "I've never been hit that hard in my life"






RE: what weird  
cjac : 2/7/2020 10:58 am : link
In comment 14805905 Eric from BBI said:
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is there are things that still make me nervous even though I know the outcome. One is the Hail Mary pass to Gronk in the last Super Bowl. The other is the last Bills drive.


What about 42, Pats had plenty of time to get into FG range and tie it up. instead of using welker to get down the field they just kept chucking up hail marys to Moss.

After we left 30 seconds on the clock i thought for sure the Pats were going to tie it up
Matt in SGS  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 10:59 am : link
Your explanation makes the most sense, but I still find it odd.

Yup, the two players highlighted the most in the 1987 highlights were Bavaro and Banks. Great years for them in a lost season.

When did Bavaro suffer that knee injury from the cheap hit by San Diego? I thought that's when he became a different player.
cjac  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 11:00 am : link
That deep pass by Brady at the end of 42 was a little too damn close as well. The safety misplayed it and Webster (again) saved the day.
Think the Vencie Glenn cheap shot on Bavaro was 1989  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 11:08 am : link
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RE: Think the Vencie Glenn cheap shot on Bavaro was 1989  
Matt in SGS : 2/7/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 14805926 Greg from LI said:
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Yup, he was high/lowed by Glenn and LB Cedric Figaro and he was never the same player again after that ACL injury in 1989.
RE: 10 years from now we'll still be looking back to these  
djm : 2/7/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14805832 micky said:
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Super Bowls as only good thing to happen with this team


Thatís the spirit.

The team you love to shit on has given us 4 super bowl titles over 35 years. Which means, youíve been proven wrong at least four times now and probably a lot more than that.
I feel so privileged...  
GA5 : 2/7/2020 11:22 am : link
to have seen that team up close through those years and have a close association with them. Since training camp was at Pace College in Westchester, and me being a single guy with time on my hands, I used to attend pretty much every session every day (sometimes two a day.) At training camp in those days there was virtually no security, so we had total access to the players and coaches(not to mention at Foley's bar later that evening.) Getting to watch Parcells, Belichick and the other great coaches on the staff was a learning experience in teaching. Plus, George Young would come out and sit in the stands and talk football, history, politics, whatever. Great, great days! Great, great team!
Vencie Glenn should get hgh lowed in the balls  
Optimus-NY : 2/7/2020 11:35 am : link
Hated that prick when he played for the Giants, even though he played well here. Mofo messed up Mark's career.
I thought I would find the conference title game against the 49ers  
Reese's Pieces : 2/7/2020 11:56 am : link
(three-peat) to be better than the Super Bowl, but I was wrong. The Super Bowl was fought with maximum intensity from beginning to end.

I was impressed with the NFL product as much as the game itself. No flags every other play. No reviews every third play. Offense went up to the line of scrimmage, ran the play, got back in the huddle and ran the next play 30 seconds later. And of course the hitting would have drawn a dozen flags today.

Anderson and Meggett averaged 5 yards a carry with an O-Line of Elliott, Roberts, Oates, Moore and Riesenberg.

I would have characterized the line as Jumbo and four other guys, but Oates made Pro-Bowl five times, three of them with the Giants. Riesenberg, a fifth or sixth round pick, never made the Pro Bowl or All Pro. More surprisingly, Moore, Roberts and Elliott, two first rounds and a second, had only two Pro Bowls among them. One each to Roberts and Jumbo. (But Jumbo made All-Madden twice, which may have been more prestigious.)

Hostetler has always been my candidate for more neglected Giant, but his first half accuracy was awful. He got it all together in the second half.
I still like the NFC title game better  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 11:58 am : link
Beating the Niners in Candlestick to stop the threepeat and go to the Super Bowl was so very, very sweet.
RE: I feel so privileged...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14805940 GA5 said:
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to have seen that team up close through those years and have a close association with them. Since training camp was at Pace College in Westchester, and me being a single guy with time on my hands, I used to attend pretty much every session every day (sometimes two a day.) At training camp in those days there was virtually no security, so we had total access to the players and coaches(not to mention at Foley's bar later that evening.) Getting to watch Parcells, Belichick and the other great coaches on the staff was a learning experience in teaching. Plus, George Young would come out and sit in the stands and talk football, history, politics, whatever. Great, great days! Great, great team!


I had to pick a new doctor this week and I noticed that she graduated from Pace. I'm going to mention the Giants connection. My first training camp was at Pace.
RE: cjac  
English Alaister : 2/7/2020 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14805918 Eric from BBI said:
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That deep pass by Brady at the end of 42 was a little too damn close as well. The safety misplayed it and Webster (again) saved the day.


There's an argument that Webster makes the most important play of the last 25+ years. If we'd lost that game it would have changed everything!
English Alaister  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/7/2020 2:24 pm : link
Posters on BBI are probably sick to death of me making this same point again, but Eli wasn't alone in making a miracle transformation during the 2007 playoffs... Corey Webster did too. He was a big factor in all of the playoff games, starting with Tampa Bay.
Totally forgot jerry riceís bizarre fumble  
jpkmets : 2/7/2020 4:23 pm : link
Going in for a sure touchdown in the divisional playoffs prior to SB XXI. Crazy play.
Last year my buddy who is a bills fan  
Jan in DC : 2/7/2020 4:35 pm : link
came to visit and we watch all of XXV on youtube. Drank a couple of beers and chatted about our memories of the game. Was a really fun time. Not sure it was AS fun for him though.
RE: Totally forgot jerry riceís bizarre fumble  
Optimus-NY : 2/8/2020 5:01 am : link
In comment 14806281 jpkmets said:
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Going in for a sure touchdown in the divisional playoffs prior to SB XXI. Crazy play.


Wouldn't have made a difference. Bill Walsh was asked about and said that instead of losing 49-3, they would have lost 49=10 instead.
Rice's fumble...  
GA5 : 2/8/2020 11:51 am : link
caused by ghostly hand of Spider Lockhart, possibly aided by Jimmy Hoffa.
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