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NFT: The Curious Case of Henrik Lundqvist

Anakim : 2/7/2020 11:33 am
Uncle Larry wrote an article about how JD and Gorton will explore buying out the final year of King Henrik's contract this summer. Apparently they're not getting great offers for Georgiev and may decide to keep him and platoon him with Igor next year.

You've gotta feel for Henrik. I mean he's a New York icon, who has given his all while here. Hell, he still doesn't want to leave despite the writing on the wall. He's going to be a Hall of Famer and will most likely have his jersey in the rafters at MSG. But he's clearly not as good as he once was and both Igor and Georgiev are superior and have outplayed him.

It sure does suck. It's similar to the Eli situation. These situations rarely end well.
Tough situation  
Kyle in NY : 2/7/2020 11:38 am : link
Still a .907 save percentage goalie, so he's not totally washed up. But clearly not what he once was and certainly not the Rangers best option at this point.

Where I once thought a buyout was a very unlikely scenario, it certainly seems like the more logical route at this point. Especially if they want to make a run at re-signing Kreider and lock up Deangelo, they're going to need to clear some space.

And perhaps Hank is coming to that realization too. May be best for both parties. He deserves one more run with a contender.
a one year  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2020 11:38 am : link
buyout?

What do they think they so desperately need the cap space for?

Kreider?
pj,  
ColHowPepper : 2/7/2020 11:41 am : link
wouldn't you say? He's been playing very well, and he and Zib have a ton of chemistry. Will be stay this consistent? History says not.

He's in demand, and it's another conundrum for JD and Gorts
On another note,  
Anakim : 2/7/2020 11:42 am : link
I'd actively look to trade Trouba. He's solid albeit unspectacular, but is not worth the money he's getting and his NTC is kicking in soon.

It wouldn't be a total loss either. Use the money you save by trading Trouba to re-sign DeAngelo. You already have Fox, who could potentially play first-pair minutes, and the third RD could be Joey Keane for the rest of the season and if he sucks, you likely have Nils Lundkvist coming over next year.
Hank can still play  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 11:43 am : link
He's not what he was, of course, but his numbers also have to be taken with the consideration that he plays behind arguably the worst defensive team in Rangers history.

I really wish he'd accept a trade. Shesty needs to play - he has shown that he has nothing to prove in the A.
also maybe you all can lay off my boy Buchnevich now  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 11:44 am : link
four goals in his last five games
Henrik was pulled after the 2nd  
ColHowPepper : 2/7/2020 11:44 am : link
vs Stars. He wasn't terrible, but he wasn't sharp.

DQ has his crooked grin on when he discusses Igor, likable kid. Writing is on the wall for all to see, and fans have taken to him, another two syllable goalie chant, going back to the days of Ed-die..........
RE: also maybe you all can lay off my boy Buchnevich now  
Anakim : 2/7/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 14805975 Greg from LI said:
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four goals in his last five games


Talent was never his issue. He's so hot and cold that it's frustrating.
RE: a one year  
Mad Mike : 2/7/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14805965 pjcas18 said:
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buyout?

What do they think they so desperately need the cap space for?

Kreider?

Does a buyout even create much cap space? How much of a $3MM savings would be left over after re-signing Georgiev?
hardly anybody  
Enzo : 2/7/2020 11:51 am : link
gets the Strahan ending. I assume there's zero trade market for him - even if he were to ok a trade?

With only one year left, they  
Metnut : 2/7/2020 11:53 am : link
might as well just keep him next year.

Also, makes sense for them to try and re-sign Kreider. He's a really good (underrated!) player and "win-now" mode for NYR can't be too far in the future with the clock running on Panarin and Trouba's prime and both signed to monster contracts.
plus, at this point, how much would they really get for Kreider anyway  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 11:53 am : link
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BrettNYG10 : 2/7/2020 11:58 am : link
They are bungling the buyout stuff. Shattenkirk never should have been bought out. Girardi shouldn't have been bought out. Just wasting money.

I think trading for Trouba was a mistake. I liked it at the time, but that contract really hurts. It's not one of those insurmountable mistakes or anything, but it will be much harder to fill holes in 2-3 years when the window is hopefully opening up.
RE: plus, at this point, how much would they really get for Kreider anyway  
Kyle in NY : 2/7/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14805991 Greg from LI said:
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Pretty light rental market, he's considered the best player that's fully available. A late first and a solid prospect should be in play. But is that worth it when this group should be looking to turn the corner in the next few seasons, and Kreider could be a big part of that?
Agreed that Trouba has underwhelemed  
Kyle in NY : 2/7/2020 12:09 pm : link
But I think I'd look to move Deangelo before Trouba. Tony should be looking at a pretty big pay day given the offensive numbers he's putting up. But he and Fox are somewhat redundant, and Fox isn't going anywhere. Fox/Trouba/Nils on the right side moving forward could work, even if Trouba would be an overpaid 2nd pairing D.
A lot of interesting decisions coming up  
ShockNRoll : 2/7/2020 12:09 pm : link
Barring winning at least 7 of their next 9 games before the deadline, this is going to be another non-playoff season. Even if that happens, it's still unlikely.

Henrik - A buyout makes sense because it does not have the long-term cap impact that Girardi, Shattenkirk have/will have. In my viewpoint, this would not be a move to save money, it would be a move to ensure that we move forward with a platoon of Igor/Georgiev going forward. Carrying 3 NHL quality goalies is not sustainable for a multitude of reasons.

Kreider - I wish like hell they were going to be able to afford to keep him. I don't see it happening, but I do think extending him for 5 years makes a lot of sense. You can't have all young guys, and Kreider brings a skill set that is rare, albeit, only seen for stretches before disappearing for others. It may be shortsighted on my part, but if it were my decision, I'd offer him a 5 year extension with an AAV of $7 million. Now, ask me during one of his 15 game stretches where he's invisible? I say trade him haha. But the way he's played the past month or two, it's hard to imagine the Rangers without him.
I'd absolutely go 5/35 for CK  
Kyle in NY : 2/7/2020 12:13 pm : link
Term would worry me more than cap hit in this situation given he'll be 29 in April. Wouldn't want to go up to 7 years, could live with 6. I hope there's a way to make it work. Just don't think another late first round pick is really crucial at this stage of the rebuild.
And yes, Kreider is underrated  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 12:13 pm : link
Because of his physical gifts, everyone hoped 5 or 6 years ago that he'd bust out and become an elite Cam Neely-type power forward. Because that didn't happen, a lot of people seem perpetually disappointed in him, but he's become a very consistent goal scorer. 28 goals in his last two full seasons and on a 30 goal pace this year.
RE: pj,  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2020 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14805969 ColHowPepper said:
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wouldn't you say? He's been playing very well, and he and Zib have a ton of chemistry. Will be stay this consistent? History says not.

He's in demand, and it's another conundrum for JD and Gorts


it's no secret I've always like Kreider and always felt like he's been disappointing. For what he is though I agree he's in demand.

The player who has surprised me the most is Zibanejad. What a player he has become. Elite, top line center, solid in both ends.

I even wonder how much Z has elevated Kreider's game.

not saying Kreider isn't playing well on his own, but man Z has elevated his own game.
RE: A lot of interesting decisions coming up  
ColHowPepper : 2/7/2020 12:14 pm : link
I'm sure Zib can't, they like to croon to each other too much
It illustrates just how horrific this team is defensively....  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 12:18 pm : link
...when they are getting unbelievable production from both Zibanejad and Panarin and still will probably miss the playoffs.
d'Angelo v Trouba  
ColHowPepper : 2/7/2020 12:19 pm : link
Trading Trouba to sign d'Angelo scares the hell out of me. 77 is an attacking wunderkind, I agree, but he's a total liability, game in and game out, in his own end.

Made this point last week, but since DQ switched up the pairings, putting him with Lindgren, Trouba has played very solid hockey, imo. Lindgren is a solid stay-at-home type and frees Trouba up to attack and he's a physical force in the neutral zone, incited a few scrums as teams retaliate.

Similarly, d'Angelo needs Staal to stay back, but it's not a zero sum game.
I just would hate to give up on TDA's skill  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 12:22 pm : link
They haven't had a defenseman like him since Leetch. If they could find a defensive ace to pair him with, it would make for a helluva combo.
Trouba is facing first pair assignments  
Kyle in NY : 2/7/2020 12:24 pm : link
consistently for the first time in his career after playing behind Byfuglien in Winnipeg, and it's shown a little bit. He and Skeji were very shaky together (another player who struggled after leaving the sheltered minutes early in his career). The cap hit and the no trade clause make for a interesting decision.

But I'd rather take the chance that he can find his game, than move him while re-signing Tony and elevating his role. In a season or two, Fox will be putting up similar point totals to TDA, if not exceeding them outright. He's been that impressive.
d'Angelo needs to be sent to that camp  
ColHowPepper : 2/7/2020 12:26 pm : link
that Laurence Harvey disappeared to in "Manchurian Candidate": You SHALL NOT blindly and carelessly fling the puck into the neutral zone, and you SHALL NOT have it taken off your stick in your own end.
If Trouba  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2020 12:30 pm : link
ia going to be moved it will be before July when his NMC kicks in.

I wouldn't trade him. Yes, he's underperformed, but so has Skjei. I'd look to trade Skjei before Trouba if I was inclined to trade either - which I wouldn't not be looking to do.

It's so hard to find RD now even if Trouba is an overpay I don't think he suddenly became talentless.

As a Devils fan I obviously hate the Rangers.  
Default : 2/7/2020 12:30 pm : link
But it's an absolute shame Henrik never had the supporting cast around him to win a Cup.

Best goalie of this generation...
"It's  
Ron Johnson : 2/7/2020 12:31 pm : link
pronounced Eye-gor"
I will say this:  
Anakim : 2/7/2020 12:37 pm : link
I have been very disappointed that Kakko is not putting up more points, but the skill level is apparent. I think he'll come back next year stronger and more comfortable. He needs time and it wouldn't be the worst thing for him to go down to Hartford and dominate the AHL and get his confidence back.
Giorgiev is gone.  
Ron Johnson : 2/7/2020 12:39 pm : link
If they don't get as much as they had hoped then they take what they can but he's the odd man out.
Pay the man  
5BowlsSoon : 2/7/2020 12:52 pm : link
And let him go with dignity.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/7/2020 1:19 pm : link
I think Trouba can handle the top pair but he needs a bona fide #1 alongside him. Or he can be a really good second pairing dman. Having his $8 million makes it REALLY hard to find that bona fide #1.

I also think Fox can handle top pairing minutes one day.

Kakko has been a bad NHL player so far. Mostly really bad. Which is fine. He's shown enough skill and promise that I'm not concerned long-term. But acknowledging his performance without the caveats is important when analyzing the weaknesses of the team.

The bottom six sucks and the defense sucks. The top six is actually pretty good IMO.
RE: As a Devils fan I obviously hate the Rangers.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/7/2020 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14806043 Default said:
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But it's an absolute shame Henrik never had the supporting cast around him to win a Cup.

Best goalie of this generation...


Easily the best goaltender to never win a Cup. It's such a shame.
He had his chances to win  
arniefez : 2/7/2020 1:29 pm : link
and didn't get it done. The Rangers version of Patrick Ewing. It almost always ends poorly for players that get bigger than the team.
Yeah, the guy with the greatest game 7  
Davisian : 2/7/2020 1:58 pm : link
numbers in NHL history is the one who "didn't get it done.."

Jesus Randal, is there a sport in which your takes AREN'T awful?  
Greg from LI : 2/7/2020 2:01 pm : link
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It often ends like this in a salary cap league. Simms, for example.  
yatqb : 2/7/2020 2:10 pm : link
But Henrik is now #3 on the team, and it would be foolish to lose 23 year old Georgiev for a less than stellar return.

It would also be a shame to lose Kreider over a few bucks or years. He's got a combination of speed, size and skill that the team is desperate for in their forward group, and you're gonna trade him for a mid or late 1st in the hopes of finding those attributes elsewhere? You want more of that type of forward, not less.

In order to keep him, Henrik likely has to go. And down the line, CK will likely have to go when a similar decision is facing the team.

Just my take, and I love The King.
Davisian  
arniefez : 2/7/2020 2:15 pm : link
Sorry bud. He didn't get it done. Got beat and outplayed by Brodeur's corpse, by Quick in the finals and the the immortal Ben Bishop in Game 7 at home. He had his chances. He wasn't the reason they lost but couldn't carry them over the finish line either.

He'll be a first ballot HOF. They'll retire his number and it should go right next to Ewing's a perfect bookend.
RE: Davisian  
Mad Mike : 2/7/2020 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14806173 arniefez said:
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Sorry bud. He didn't get it done. Got beat and outplayed by Brodeur's corpse, by Quick in the finals and the the immortal Ben Bishop in Game 7 at home. He had his chances. He wasn't the reason they lost but couldn't carry them over the finish line either.

He'll be a first ballot HOF. They'll retire his number and it should go right next to Ewing's a perfect bookend.

There was really no need to validate Greg's post, it stood pretty well on its own.
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BrettNYG10 : 2/7/2020 2:43 pm : link
2014 SCF:

Game 1: Outshot by 16
Game 2: Outshot by 6
Game 3: NYR outshot the Kings by 17
Game 4: Outshot by 22 but won
Game 5: Outshot by 21

Was it Lundqvist's fault that they didn't score in games 5 or 7 against TB against a broken Bishop?
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ColHowPepper : 2/7/2020 3:06 pm : link
first set LAK, NYR just ground into mush

second set TB, offense just disappeared (for long stretches) in all but two games, iirc

agree with your charac re bottom 6: as presently constituted, this group could do either or both of the above in SCP

a lot of work to be done
It's time for Hank to accept a trade to a Cup contender  
Torrag : 2/7/2020 3:19 pm : link
He needs a chance to get his and we need the assets and cap relief. No one can make him do it though.
I know he has a no-trade clause  
Matt M. : 2/7/2020 4:16 pm : link
But, are there any realistic trade partners to pitch him? It's got to better to finish out your career on a contender than in a re-build, no?
I don't dislike Henrik Lundqvist  
arniefez : 2/7/2020 4:28 pm : link
he's been a tremendous HOF player for over a decade. He's all class of the ice. What's not to admire about him and appreciate all he's given the Rangers. Nothing.

But the poor Hank stuff is enough. The Rangers mortgaged their future to win now and had a few chances and couldn't get it done.

I don't feel sorry for him. He had his shot.

The parallel to Ewing is amazing. Ewing had his chances too and couldn't get it done. Neither lost with the better team but they didn't lose to super teams either. They were right there and couldn't finish it off.



RE: I don't dislike Henrik Lundqvist  
LS : 2/7/2020 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14806286 arniefez said:
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he's been a tremendous HOF player for over a decade. He's all class of the ice. What's not to admire about him and appreciate all he's given the Rangers. Nothing.

But the poor Hank stuff is enough. The Rangers mortgaged their future to win now and had a few chances and couldn't get it done.

I don't feel sorry for him. He had his shot.

The parallel to Ewing is amazing. Ewing had his chances too and couldn't get it done. Neither lost with the better team but they didn't lose to super teams either. They were right there and couldn't finish it off.



Why don't guys like this find another team to root for. They are insufferable and tedious. Hey, let's put Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Dan Marino, and all the other great players who didn't win a championship, all in the Hall of Not Good Enough with them.
I just don't understand  
pjcas18 : 2/7/2020 6:42 pm : link
the coaching philosophy of putting a skill guy like Kakko on a wing with McKegg and Howden.

Howden has career 3rd line upside and McKegg is a journeyman on his 5th or 6th NHL team.

They cannot keep up with Kakko or push him to improve IMO and playing alongside them I don't see how will help his development.

He may as well be in La Liga if this is their plan.

When I watch Kakko I can see his 20/21 year old self becoming a smaller Sasha Barkov he's showing glimpses into that, but why waste time languishing on the 4th line.

It's not just Quinn, Julien does it MTL, Vigneault did shit like this before. A lot of coaches do this to young skill guys. I don't get it.
Kakko finally notches one  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2020 1:22 am : link
And Igor continues to demonstrate that he's the best goalie on the team.
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