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He said the Cowboys have been trying to get a deal done with Prescott since last off season. The two sides came close to deal in September on a contract that would have paid him roughly $33 million annually, sources said, before talks broke down when Prescott upped his asking price. “I don’t want to get into the details, but we have offered him significant money,” Jones said. “The money we have offered Dak no matter how you look at it would put him as a top five quarterback in the NFL. That is the way we feel about him. He is one of the best.” According to sources, Prescott is looking for a deal that would pay him as much or more than Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, who is the league’s highest-paid player at $35 million annually. The rest of the top five consists of four other quarterbacks — Pittsburgh Steelers’ Ben Roethlisberger at $34 million, Los Angeles Rams’ Jared Goff and Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers at $33.5 million and Philadelphia Eagles’ Carson Wentz at $32 million. |
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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.
He's 100% not worth $40m but he should absolutely try and get that.
+1
#giantsfansfordak
Yeah, Winston threw for 30 INTs, but he also threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. So Winston is at worst a fungible QB - like Prescott. Therefore, getting Winston for 1/3 of what Prescott is asking for, when Prescott is nowhere near an elite QB, is good value.
What's your counter point?
Please do this Dallas
thats not really how it works. He is next up so he gets paid at the top, not top 5
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LOLOL funny stuff. You should head to an open mic with that act.
Yeah, Winston threw for 30 INTs, but he also threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. So Winston is at worst a fungible QB - like Prescott. Therefore, getting Winston for 1/3 of what Prescott is asking for, when Prescott is nowhere near an elite QB, is good value.
What's your counter point?
He won't have one, but you can bet he'll take a few words from your post and use it as a subject line.
As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.
If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.
They aren't comparable players.
Absolutely. You’ve got possibly 4 QBs about to be drafted in the top 10, maybe 5 in the top 15. Then you’ve got the Colts and Chargers, possibly Saints all needing QBs that may not pick one Rd 1.
If Dak shook loose you’d have atleast 4 or 5 of those teams interested especially those outside of the top 5.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dak is a "safe" choice that will never win the big game. Give Winston some time in the pocket and see what he does.
"Jerry...if you are listening..."
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Does anybody think that there is another team that would offer more than $33 million a year for multiple years? I have no idea - just asking the question
Absolutely. You’ve got possibly 4 QBs about to be drafted in the top 10, maybe 5 in the top 15. Then you’ve got the Colts and Chargers, possibly Saints all needing QBs that may not pick one Rd 1.
If Dak shook loose you’d have atleast 4 or 5 of those teams interested especially those outside of the top 5.
Valid point, I just don't know if anyone would pay him higher than Wilson..He is not of the same caliber at all IMO
As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.
If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.
They aren't comparable players.
This is weak.
If you evaluate Dak objectively he isn’t worth 23 mil let alone 33 mil a year. He’s a limited QB who can’t win big games despite the fact that he’s played behind a superior OL with a superior run game and a solid D his entire career. Objectively he’s an average QB at best in this league.
Winston is a flawed QB but you’ll get the same production at half the price of Dak in Dallas.
but as fourth round picks go, he was a hell of a lot better find than kyle fucking lauletta.
Meh, I doubt he throws 30 ints if on Dallas. He wouldn't have to throw as much, most importantly. He is still better than Dak, who is a better than average game manager. It was pretty obvious last year that Dak is not the answer. Is he competent, yes like Kirk Cousins and Alex Smith. I like Dak, but Winston is just better even with his flaws. I hope the Cowboys spend $35 mill plus per year on him and tie up big $$ on a guy that probably doesn't get them to the Super Bowl.
Prescott is more mobile and has double the rushing TD’d than Winston.
I know the Cowboys have a better OL than most teams but I don’t think Cowboys would win a SB with Winston ever. He would certainly turn it over in high pressure situations in playoff games.
Cowboys in tough situation as they have made their bed with Dak.
I think he gets a top 5 QB contract with a huge guarantee.
They have I think a 3 year window to win a SB as that OL is getting older especially Smith.
They don’t want to start over with a new QB now . I think Dak is in the driver’s seat on these negotiations.
Let’s see if Jerry blinks again.
I’m all for not lying Dak if it was my money, but I wouldn’t turn around and give it to Winston. I’d rather go with a rookie/game manager vet combo and mitigate risk while building a foundation. Winston is a team killer.
Also where does anybody think Winston is going to get 1/3 of what Dak gets? The Bucs paid him 21 million this past year. The Bucs don't really have many options at QB so they'll most likely tag him (franchise/transition)
As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.
If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.
They aren't comparable players.
Great support for your argument. If you would have presented this POV without the insult initially, don’t think they would have come after you.
Tampa has never had the same caliber team or offensive identity that Dallas has had during Dak’s tenure. Why don’t you try thinking a little bit instead of regurgitating stats.
I’m not a Winston fan but we’re talking about making Dak the highest paid QB in the game. That’s a huge mistake.
You want to criticize a team I would be jumping all over the Rams for Goffs ridiculous contract.
Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying don’t sign Dak doesn’t mean much if there isn’t a backup plan at QB.
I don’t see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.
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Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really don’t know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.
Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying don’t sign Dak doesn’t mean much if there isn’t a backup plan at QB.
I don’t see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.
Winston isn't going to be much cheaper. His salary and cap hit will be somewhere 24.3-26.8 million for 2020.
LOL stop it. Marcus Mariota fucking sucks. He's nowhere near Dak. Yeah I think Dak is overrated, but some of you on here are out of your mind with what you think of Dak.
He's got a 40-24 career record. He's completing 65.8% of his passes for 15,778 yards with 97 TDs and 36 INTs. He also has 1221 rushing yards and 21 rushing TDs.
He's definitely not a top 5 QB, but you guys are comparing him to QBs who aren't even in the top 20 in the NFL.
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Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really don’t know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.
Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying don’t sign Dak doesn’t mean much if there isn’t a backup plan at QB.
I don’t see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.
Sure it does. Don’t sign Dak.
And the plan should be also don’t sign Winston, plenty of other options.
1) What are the odds this info from JJ is little more than posturing to put pressure on Dak to sign whatever deal is/was on the table? This is from the Dallas FO side, right? Doesn't sound like it's Dak's people announcing the deal they turned down...
2) Understandably everyone is citing stats to down play alternative QBs like Winston, but the elephant that just left the room, Eli Manning, had pretty bad stats re things like turnovers, completion %, TD/INTS ratio, but just left the game as the highest paid player ever over his career. What people AREN'T ACKNOWLEDGING about Dak is his leadership skills which many compare favorably with Eli.
He's a face of the franchise, first guy in, last guy out type of worker, who's earned tremendous respect from teammates and coaches and media alike. Not exactly parallel with Jameis, eh?
Paying him top 5 money is prolly well deserved, and he has proven traits that aren't easily replaced, and Jerry knows that.
OTOH, he's not gonna get paid more than Russel Wilson, that's just silly. I doubt his people are pushing that.
But I just wouldn’t want to be the team to reward him. Some guys are worth that “next in line as new highest paid at the position” contract but he isn’t one of them,
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Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really don’t know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.
Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying don’t sign Dak doesn’t mean much if there isn’t a backup plan at QB.
I don’t see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.
Sure it does. Don’t sign Dak.
And the plan should be also don’t sign Winston, plenty of other options.
Who are the “plenty of other options?”
It’s Rivers (looking to a Florida team), Bridgewater, Marriotta (sucks), and Winston.
Or it’s go into the draft with nothing and hope Fromm lasts.
So basically it’s sign Dak or hope Bridgewater doesn’t re-sign in NO or Winston.
They can sign a vet and draft a QB to develop with a day 2 pick. They can make a play for Brady on a 1 or 2 year deal. They can put all their eggs in a Bridgewater or Rivers or take a flier on Tannehill, since their offense can be just like Tennessee’s.
There aren’t endless options but there are enough where handing out that contract to Dak should give them great pause (and it clearly is).
They can sign a vet and draft a QB to develop with a day 2 pick. They can make a play for Brady on a 1 or 2 year deal. They can put all their eggs in a Bridgewater or Rivers or take a flier on Tannehill, since their offense can be just like Tennessee’s.
There aren’t endless options but there are enough where handing out that contract to Dak should give them great pause (and it clearly is).
You’re just throwing out shit that isn’t viable. Tenn isn’t letting Tannehill walk. I already covered Rivers. Brady is a 1 year player and pipe dream at best. The other “sign a vet” options are low level backup players.
So again, it really comes down to signing Dak or giving starting QB money to Bridgewater or Winston.
And no that’s not what it comes down to. They may also draft a rookie again. They may franchise Dak (he probably doesn’t sign but that’s another discussion). They may do a combination of two of these options.
All better than paying Winston.