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NGT:Cowboys offered Dak 33M @ year that he turned down

montanagiant : 2/7/2020 3:29 pm
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He said the Cowboys have been trying to get a deal done with Prescott since last off season. The two sides came close to deal in September on a contract that would have paid him roughly $33 million annually, sources said, before talks broke down when Prescott upped his asking price.

ďI donít want to get into the details, but we have offered him significant money,Ē Jones said. ďThe money we have offered Dak no matter how you look at it would put him as a top five quarterback in the NFL. That is the way we feel about him. He is one of the best.Ē

According to sources, Prescott is looking for a deal that would pay him as much or more than Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, who is the leagueís highest-paid player at $35 million annually. The rest of the top five consists of four other quarterbacks ó Pittsburgh Steelersí Ben Roethlisberger at $34 million, Los Angeles Ramsí Jared Goff and Green Bay Packersí Aaron Rodgers at $33.5 million and Philadelphia Eaglesí Carson Wentz at $32 million.

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RE: RE: Good for him.  
mfsd : 2/7/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14806250 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14806242 Metnut said:


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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.



He's 100% not worth $40m but he should absolutely try and get that.


+1

#giantsfansfordak
RE: 'get Winston on the cheap, and get similar performance'  
FStubbs : 2/7/2020 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14806299 Torrag said:
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LOLOL funny stuff. You should head to an open mic with that act.


Yeah, Winston threw for 30 INTs, but he also threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. So Winston is at worst a fungible QB - like Prescott. Therefore, getting Winston for 1/3 of what Prescott is asking for, when Prescott is nowhere near an elite QB, is good value.

What's your counter point?
Dak is good but a lot of his numbers...  
WalterSobchak : 2/7/2020 4:50 pm : link
come when they are up by a lot or down by a lot (or playing the Giants). In close games seems like he comes up small a lot. Lots of empty calories in those numbers. Hope he screws the Cowpies but If I were Jerry just throw the tag on him and see what happens. I would only go about 30 mill for Dak personally.
Heís not worth what he wants, but boy, do I hope he gets it.  
732NYG : 2/7/2020 4:58 pm : link
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LOL i love the tongue in cheek  
bluetothegrave : 2/7/2020 5:00 pm : link
Absolutely pay him $40 million and eat up all that salary for a good qb. That will prevent them from signing nearly anyone else and they will lose amari. Like the sarcastic crew here. $40 million or bust for dak.
I bet they end up paying him 37M @ year for 4 years  
montanagiant : 2/7/2020 5:00 pm : link
with 80M guaranteed and a 35M signing bonus.

Please do this Dallas
RE: Crazy  
ron mexico : 2/7/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14806236 bigblue5611_2 said:
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He's not worth more than Wilson. I'd argue him being worth more than Roethlisberger though at this point due to age and injury.


thats not really how it works. He is next up so he gets paid at the top, not top 5

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mattlawson : 2/7/2020 5:06 pm : link
That is nuts
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mattlawson : 2/7/2020 5:08 pm : link
That is nuts
RE: RE: 'get Winston on the cheap, and get similar performance'  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/7/2020 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14806305 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14806299 Torrag said:


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LOLOL funny stuff. You should head to an open mic with that act.



Yeah, Winston threw for 30 INTs, but he also threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. So Winston is at worst a fungible QB - like Prescott. Therefore, getting Winston for 1/3 of what Prescott is asking for, when Prescott is nowhere near an elite QB, is good value.

What's your counter point?

He won't have one, but you can bet he'll take a few words from your post and use it as a subject line.
The Cowboys are in the driver's seat imo.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/7/2020 5:21 pm : link
They can go out and get a vet QB like Rivers or Brady if he becomes available. Older guys will jump at that opportunity to play behind that OL and with Zeke. Dak better be careful because if he keeps pushing too hard he's going to find himself in a much different situation. If I were Dallas I would come up with a number and not exceed it at this point. I'd then evaluate tagging him vs. going after a vet QB. If I decide in a vet QB then drafting one becomes a priority.
'He won't have one'  
Torrag : 2/7/2020 5:27 pm : link
Stalk much? You don't need to speak for me.You're not intelligent enough to argue your own positions so you already have your hands full.

As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.

If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.

They aren't comparable players.

Winston stinks  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2020 5:32 pm : link
Iím no fan of Dak but they arenít comparable players, IMO. If you are going the cheap route then get a guy like Bridgewater whoís intelligent and wonít lose you games like Winston will.
Doubt heíd play on the tag...  
trueblueinpw : 2/7/2020 5:59 pm : link
People say ďtag himĒ like thatís all you need to do. But, I donít think Dak would play on the tag. I guess he might, but wouldnít this be the gist of two seasons they can use the tag? Anyway... hard for me to see him as the highest paid QB but then again I think heís better than Goff.
Curious  
Samiam : 2/7/2020 6:13 pm : link
Does anybody think that there is another team that would offer more than $33 million a year for multiple years? I have no idea - just asking the question
RE: Curious  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2020 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14806357 Samiam said:
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Does anybody think that there is another team that would offer more than $33 million a year for multiple years? I have no idea - just asking the question


Absolutely. Youíve got possibly 4 QBs about to be drafted in the top 10, maybe 5 in the top 15. Then youíve got the Colts and Chargers, possibly Saints all needing QBs that may not pick one Rd 1.

If Dak shook loose youíd have atleast 4 or 5 of those teams interested especially those outside of the top 5.
RE: Good for him.  
Saquads26 : 2/7/2020 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14806242 Metnut said:
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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Winston is a better QB than  
section125 : 2/7/2020 7:27 pm : link
Dak. Let's put Winston on Dallas and Dak on the Bucs and see how that turns out.

Dak is a "safe" choice that will never win the big game. Give Winston some time in the pocket and see what he does.
RE: Good for him.  
Mark from Jersey : 2/7/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14806242 Metnut said:
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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.


"Jerry...if you are listening..."
well with fstubbs saying he has  
dan518 : 2/7/2020 8:17 pm : link
fungi, i wouldn't want to get anywhere near him...
RE: RE: Curious  
montanagiant : 2/7/2020 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14806392 UConn4523 said:
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Does anybody think that there is another team that would offer more than $33 million a year for multiple years? I have no idea - just asking the question



Absolutely. Youíve got possibly 4 QBs about to be drafted in the top 10, maybe 5 in the top 15. Then youíve got the Colts and Chargers, possibly Saints all needing QBs that may not pick one Rd 1.

If Dak shook loose youíd have atleast 4 or 5 of those teams interested especially those outside of the top 5.

Valid point, I just don't know if anyone would pay him higher than Wilson..He is not of the same caliber at all IMO
RE: 'He won't have one'  
WillVAB : 2/7/2020 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14806337 Torrag said:
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Stalk much? You don't need to speak for me.You're not intelligent enough to argue your own positions so you already have your hands full.

As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.

If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.

They aren't comparable players.


This is weak.

If you evaluate Dak objectively he isnít worth 23 mil let alone 33 mil a year. Heís a limited QB who canít win big games despite the fact that heís played behind a superior OL with a superior run game and a solid D his entire career. Objectively heís an average QB at best in this league.

Winston is a flawed QB but youíll get the same production at half the price of Dak in Dallas.
Cowboys should sign Bridgewater.  
Optimus-NY : 2/7/2020 11:28 pm : link
That would be the smart move. Let's hope they sign to Dak to a redonkulous contract.
imagine turning down 33M a year  
japanhead : 2/7/2020 11:55 pm : link
when you're objectively not a top 5 QB. what balls.

but as fourth round picks go, he was a hell of a lot better find than kyle fucking lauletta.
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Geomon : 2/8/2020 12:00 am : link
If you could have any 3 players on the Dallas team  
xman : 2/8/2020 1:14 am : link
would anyone take Dak?
'Winston is a flawed QB but youíll get the same production'  
Torrag : 2/8/2020 1:56 am : link
Actually you'll get more production. 3 times more interceptions. That's what you'll get. But don't let facts influence a good false narrative.
RE: 'Winston is a flawed QB but youíll get the same production'  
section125 : 2/8/2020 5:15 am : link
In comment 14806508 Torrag said:
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Actually you'll get more production. 3 times more interceptions. That's what you'll get. But don't let facts influence a good false narrative.


Meh, I doubt he throws 30 ints if on Dallas. He wouldn't have to throw as much, most importantly. He is still better than Dak, who is a better than average game manager. It was pretty obvious last year that Dak is not the answer. Is he competent, yes like Kirk Cousins and Alex Smith. I like Dak, but Winston is just better even with his flaws. I hope the Cowboys spend $35 mill plus per year on him and tie up big $$ on a guy that probably doesn't get them to the Super Bowl.
I donít get the love for Winston on this thread  
Rick in Dallas : 2/8/2020 5:41 am : link
Over his entire 5 year career he is a turnover machine. His interception percentage is double that of Prescott.
Prescott is more mobile and has double the rushing TDíd than Winston.
I know the Cowboys have a better OL than most teams but I donít think Cowboys would win a SB with Winston ever. He would certainly turn it over in high pressure situations in playoff games.
Cowboys in tough situation as they have made their bed with Dak.
I think he gets a top 5 QB contract with a huge guarantee.
They have I think a 3 year window to win a SB as that OL is getting older especially Smith.
They donít want to start over with a new QB now . I think Dak is in the driverís seat on these negotiations.
Letís see if Jerry blinks again.
Itís pretty funny to read  
UConn4523 : 2/8/2020 7:44 am : link
this Winston stuff. In an NFL where INTs are way down from what they were 5/10 years ago Winston continues to play like Favre (all the bad, little of the good). Actually he turns it over more than Favre did. You canít do that in this league where scoring is so easy. Every year we see the top QBs throwing 10 picks or less yet Winston is 3x that, even 4x in some cases.

Iím all for not lying Dak if it was my money, but I wouldnít turn around and give it to Winston. Iíd rather go with a rookie/game manager vet combo and mitigate risk while building a foundation. Winston is a team killer.
Winston isn't even close to Dak  
Big Rick in FL : 2/8/2020 8:03 am : link
And I don't think Dak is good. He has two top 5 WRs in the NFL. He also has OJ Howard and Cam Brate at TE. Due to his INTs the Bucs are always playing from behind so of course his yards are going to be high. It's funny people act like the rest of the Bucs offense is the problem. They have studs all over the place. The problem is Jameis.

Also where does anybody think Winston is going to get 1/3 of what Dak gets? The Bucs paid him 21 million this past year. The Bucs don't really have many options at QB so they'll most likely tag him (franchise/transition)
RE: 'He won't have one'  
joeinpa : 2/8/2020 8:26 am : link
In comment 14806337 Torrag said:
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Stalk much? You don't need to speak for me.You're not intelligent enough to argue your own positions so you already have your hands full.

As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.

If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.

They aren't comparable players.


Great support for your argument. If you would have presented this POV without the insult initially, donít think they would have come after you.
RE: 'Winston is a flawed QB but youíll get the same production'  
WillVAB : 2/8/2020 9:37 am : link
In comment 14806508 Torrag said:
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Actually you'll get more production. 3 times more interceptions. That's what you'll get. But don't let facts influence a good false narrative.


Tampa has never had the same caliber team or offensive identity that Dallas has had during Dakís tenure. Why donít you try thinking a little bit instead of regurgitating stats.

Iím not a Winston fan but weíre talking about making Dak the highest paid QB in the game. Thatís a huge mistake.
Donít confuse Daks future large contract  
Rick in Dallas : 2/8/2020 9:51 am : link
In comparing his performance versus Winstons. As I said before the Cowboys made their bed with Dak . I for one am glad they are making a mistake in signing and paying Dak as a top 5 QB.
You want to criticize a team I would be jumping all over the Rams for Goffs ridiculous contract.
Dallas should trade him  
5BowlsSoon : 2/8/2020 10:07 am : link
They could even pick up Fitzpatrick while drafting a qb in round 1.
WillVab  
UConn4523 : 2/8/2020 10:20 am : link
Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really donít know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.
RE: WillVab  
WillVAB : 2/8/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14806622 UConn4523 said:
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Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really donít know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.


Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying donít sign Dak doesnít mean much if there isnít a backup plan at QB.

I donít see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.
Looking forward to Dak's agent  
LBH15 : 2/8/2020 10:59 am : link
doing a great job for him.
RE: RE: WillVab  
Big Rick in FL : 2/8/2020 11:27 am : link
In comment 14806648 WillVAB said:
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Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really donít know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.



Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying donít sign Dak doesnít mean much if there isnít a backup plan at QB.

I donít see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.


Winston isn't going to be much cheaper. His salary and cap hit will be somewhere 24.3-26.8 million for 2020.
You know the world is upside  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/8/2020 11:47 am : link
Down when Dak Prescott May get more than 35 million a year for being mediocre even with Elliot and that OL to carry him. Dallas we move on. They will be a better without him
Tannehill or Mariota would be the same as Dak  
Optimus-NY : 2/8/2020 12:02 pm : link
Signing Dak to a ridic contract when those other guys are out there would be folly.
RE: Tannehill or Mariota would be the same as Dak  
Big Rick in FL : 2/8/2020 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14806701 Optimus-NY said:
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Signing Dak to a ridic contract when those other guys are out there would be folly.


LOL stop it. Marcus Mariota fucking sucks. He's nowhere near Dak. Yeah I think Dak is overrated, but some of you on here are out of your mind with what you think of Dak.

He's got a 40-24 career record. He's completing 65.8% of his passes for 15,778 yards with 97 TDs and 36 INTs. He also has 1221 rushing yards and 21 rushing TDs.

He's definitely not a top 5 QB, but you guys are comparing him to QBs who aren't even in the top 20 in the NFL.
RE: RE: WillVab  
UConn4523 : 2/8/2020 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14806648 WillVAB said:
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Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really donít know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.



Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying donít sign Dak doesnít mean much if there isnít a backup plan at QB.

I donít see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.


Sure it does. Donít sign Dak.

And the plan should be also donít sign Winston, plenty of other options.
Jumping in late, read every response on page 2 on my phone.  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/9/2020 10:37 am : link
Coupla issues that haven't been raised among the posts I read:

1) What are the odds this info from JJ is little more than posturing to put pressure on Dak to sign whatever deal is/was on the table? This is from the Dallas FO side, right? Doesn't sound like it's Dak's people announcing the deal they turned down...

2) Understandably everyone is citing stats to down play alternative QBs like Winston, but the elephant that just left the room, Eli Manning, had pretty bad stats re things like turnovers, completion %, TD/INTS ratio, but just left the game as the highest paid player ever over his career. What people AREN'T ACKNOWLEDGING about Dak is his leadership skills which many compare favorably with Eli.

He's a face of the franchise, first guy in, last guy out type of worker, who's earned tremendous respect from teammates and coaches and media alike. Not exactly parallel with Jameis, eh?

Paying him top 5 money is prolly well deserved, and he has proven traits that aren't easily replaced, and Jerry knows that.

OTOH, he's not gonna get paid more than Russel Wilson, that's just silly. I doubt his people are pushing that.
I think Dak has earned a big contract  
UConn4523 : 2/9/2020 10:42 am : link
based on NFL standards - ie Garoppolo getting a big deal doing far less, Cousins getting a fully guaranteed deal after beating what, 1 team with a winning record in his career? Thereís a few others Iím missing too.

But I just wouldnít want to be the team to reward him. Some guys are worth that ďnext in line as new highest paid at the positionĒ contract but he isnít one of them,
Turning down 33m a year before free agency is nuts. He's very lucky  
Ira : 2/9/2020 11:11 am : link
that he stayed healthy.
RE: RE: RE: WillVab  
WillVAB : 2/9/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 14806739 UConn4523 said:
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Paying Dak top dollar and being a bad mistake has nothing to do with Winston also being a bad QB. Both are true and I really donít know what your argument (inserting Winston) is about.



Winston is an alternative to Dak if you choose not to sign him. Saying donít sign Dak doesnít mean much if there isnít a backup plan at QB.

I donít see much of a difference between the two in the same situation. So Winston at a substantially cheaper cost makes more sense.



Sure it does. Donít sign Dak.

And the plan should be also donít sign Winston, plenty of other options.


Who are the ďplenty of other options?Ē

Itís Rivers (looking to a Florida team), Bridgewater, Marriotta (sucks), and Winston.

Or itís go into the draft with nothing and hope Fromm lasts.

So basically itís sign Dak or hope Bridgewater doesnít re-sign in NO or Winston.
Thereís always options  
UConn4523 : 2/9/2020 11:38 am : link
you yourself posted about Winston. I think thatís a terrible option but it is indeed one.

They can sign a vet and draft a QB to develop with a day 2 pick. They can make a play for Brady on a 1 or 2 year deal. They can put all their eggs in a Bridgewater or Rivers or take a flier on Tannehill, since their offense can be just like Tennesseeís.

There arenít endless options but there are enough where handing out that contract to Dak should give them great pause (and it clearly is).
RE: Thereís always options  
WillVAB : 2/9/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 14807205 UConn4523 said:
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you yourself posted about Winston. I think thatís a terrible option but it is indeed one.

They can sign a vet and draft a QB to develop with a day 2 pick. They can make a play for Brady on a 1 or 2 year deal. They can put all their eggs in a Bridgewater or Rivers or take a flier on Tannehill, since their offense can be just like Tennesseeís.

There arenít endless options but there are enough where handing out that contract to Dak should give them great pause (and it clearly is).


Youíre just throwing out shit that isnít viable. Tenn isnít letting Tannehill walk. I already covered Rivers. Brady is a 1 year player and pipe dream at best. The other ďsign a vetĒ options are low level backup players.

So again, it really comes down to signing Dak or giving starting QB money to Bridgewater or Winston.
You donít know any of that  
UConn4523 : 2/9/2020 12:01 pm : link
talk about throwing shit. Whatís rumored to happen and whatís likely to happen and what actually happens are wildly different - Iím fine admitting that and so should you.

And no thatís not what it comes down to. They may also draft a rookie again. They may franchise Dak (he probably doesnít sign but thatís another discussion). They may do a combination of two of these options.

All better than paying Winston.
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