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NGT:Cowboys offered Dak 33M @ year that he turned down

montanagiant : 2/7/2020 3:29 pm
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He said the Cowboys have been trying to get a deal done with Prescott since last off season. The two sides came close to deal in September on a contract that would have paid him roughly $33 million annually, sources said, before talks broke down when Prescott upped his asking price.

“I don’t want to get into the details, but we have offered him significant money,” Jones said. “The money we have offered Dak no matter how you look at it would put him as a top five quarterback in the NFL. That is the way we feel about him. He is one of the best.”

According to sources, Prescott is looking for a deal that would pay him as much or more than Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, who is the league’s highest-paid player at $35 million annually. The rest of the top five consists of four other quarterbacks — Pittsburgh Steelers’ Ben Roethlisberger at $34 million, Los Angeles Rams’ Jared Goff and Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers at $33.5 million and Philadelphia Eagles’ Carson Wentz at $32 million.

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Tag him and see what he does under McCarthy.....  
MOOPS : 2/7/2020 3:36 pm : link
before you guarantee him, what, $60-80M?
Crazy  
bigblue5611_2 : 2/7/2020 3:36 pm : link
He's not worth more than Wilson. I'd argue him being worth more than Roethlisberger though at this point due to age and injury.
Forgot to include Rodgers too  
bigblue5611_2 : 2/7/2020 3:38 pm : link
Not worth more than Rodgers, though he did look a little more pedestrian this year.

I agree with MOOPS, tag him and see what he does. Let him prove the worth.
I've seen these numbers thrown around  
jcn56 : 2/7/2020 3:39 pm : link
but never any rumors on the guaranteed amount, which is the only thing that matters.

If the Cowboys structure a contract that they could easily exit in a year or two, it doesn't matter what the average is.
Good for him.  
Metnut : 2/7/2020 3:40 pm : link
He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.
RE: Crazy  
Pep22 : 2/7/2020 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14806236 bigblue5611_2 said:
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He's not worth more than Wilson. I'd argue him being worth more than Roethlisberger though at this point due to age and injury.


Don't confuse how good he is versus what he is worth. He is worth what they'll pay him, which will end up being north of 33mm.
If Dak is tagged, he would be smart to not sign it.  
Diver_Down : 2/7/2020 3:41 pm : link
Good luck installing a new offense with a a first year HC when your starting QB doesn't show up until September.
I agree...  
bw in dc : 2/7/2020 3:41 pm : link
Dallas should either use the FT or try to trade Dak.

$33M/yr is very generous by Jerry. You could get Bridgewater for a cheaper contract.
I would love to see Jerrah talk up Cooper Rush  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/7/2020 3:43 pm : link
like he talked up Pollard when Elliot was holding out.
tagging  
Steve in Greenwich : 2/7/2020 3:44 pm : link
him could be a really dumb move for the Cowboys. If the new rumored CBA actually gets signed off and the cap raises accordingly due to the 17 game schedule (w/ increase in players split of league revenue) as rumored his number on the open market goes even higher. If the Cowboys do want to keep him it makes more sense to do it now before all teams get the initial cap space going into the following season/
RE: Good for him.  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2020 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14806242 Metnut said:
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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.


He's 100% not worth $40m but he should absolutely try and get that.
RE: tagging  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14806249 Steve in Greenwich said:
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him could be a really dumb move for the Cowboys. If the new rumored CBA actually gets signed off and the cap raises accordingly due to the 17 game schedule (w/ increase in players split of league revenue) as rumored his number on the open market goes even higher. If the Cowboys do want to keep him it makes more sense to do it now before all teams get the initial cap space going into the following season/


I don't disagree but tagging atleast extends negotiations and also leaves the door open for a trade.

Its clear to me they don't think he's good enough to warrant being the #1 paid Qb in the NFL, and he's not, probably closer to top 10 than top 3. I think Dallas is playing this well which sucks.
Like the politicians say  
ghost718 : 2/7/2020 3:50 pm : link
I endorse this heist
Comparisons are off  
Jay in Toronto : 2/7/2020 3:50 pm : link
because of timing when the contracts hit the market.
RE: I've seen these numbers thrown around  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2020 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14806241 jcn56 said:
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but never any rumors on the guaranteed amount, which is the only thing that matters.

If the Cowboys structure a contract that they could easily exit in a year or two, it doesn't matter what the average is.


I pretty much assume the guarantees will be huge. Dak and his agent aren't dumb, they know the per year average is irrelevant. I'm guessing he's eyeing $70m guaranteed as a floor (Wilson).
RE: Good for him.  
MBavaro : 2/7/2020 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14806242 Metnut said:
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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.


I agree

Don't give in Dak!! You drag this out as long as you can and force them to give you what you want. I think 45 million a year, 10 year contract, 300 million guaranteed sounds about right......
Dak had a phenomenal season but...  
Torrag : 2/7/2020 4:07 pm : link
I still think he has issues driving the ball downfield outside teh numbers with accuracy. Most do. Still when a team makes you nearly the highest paid in the game and you haven't even gotten to an NFC Championship game ...well. Get a bonus put in for various playoff escalators and get it done.

In other words put 'some' of your money where your ego is.
Throw me in with the tag him or trade him crowd.  
Matt M. : 2/7/2020 4:14 pm : link
There is no way in Hell I tie up $33M a year for him.
I like where this is going  
Rico : 2/7/2020 4:21 pm : link
The Boys will have to pay him the average of the top five, which will be about $34 million this year. This will eat a ton of cap space for this year.

Next year when they still can't get a deal done, Dak gets 120% of the previous year, which will be over $40 million.

Then Dak leaves via free agency (see Kirk Cousins) and the Boys are left without a QB after spending $74 million for two years!
He is a moron ....  
short lease : 2/7/2020 4:31 pm : link

I don't even think he is worth 33 mil. He is nothing without that OL.

Glad this is happening in Dallas though.
As a Giants fan ...  
FStubbs : 2/7/2020 4:34 pm : link
... I hope Prescott breaks the bank because he's a fungible QB. If Dallas were smart, they'd trade him or just let him go. The insane cap wrecking quarterback contracts are only worth it if you have an elite level talent like prime Rodgers.

Dallas could let Prescott go, get Winston on the cheap, and get similar performance, but have a lot better cap situation.
He's the next man up  
BillT : 2/7/2020 4:35 pm : link
He should get the $35m deal to match the current league high. That's the way it works.

So either they pay or I think he holds out. He won't play on a tag. Zeke showed the way last year.
RE: I like where this is going  
FStubbs : 2/7/2020 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14806278 Rico said:
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The Boys will have to pay him the average of the top five, which will be about $34 million this year. This will eat a ton of cap space for this year.

Next year when they still can't get a deal done, Dak gets 120% of the previous year, which will be over $40 million.

Then Dak leaves via free agency (see Kirk Cousins) and the Boys are left without a QB after spending $74 million for two years!


Actually - this is looking a lot like the Kirk Cousins situation. A 4th round QB who is decent but not a game breaker, and the team may know it.
FStubbs  
arniefez : 2/7/2020 4:38 pm : link
Even with the turnovers Winston is better.
'get Winston on the cheap, and get similar performance'  
Torrag : 2/7/2020 4:43 pm : link
LOLOL funny stuff. You should head to an open mic with that act.
40 million not a penny less. Get it done Jerry...  
larryflower37 : 2/7/2020 4:47 pm : link
RE: RE: Good for him.  
mfsd : 2/7/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14806250 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14806242 Metnut said:


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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.



He's 100% not worth $40m but he should absolutely try and get that.


+1

#giantsfansfordak
RE: 'get Winston on the cheap, and get similar performance'  
FStubbs : 2/7/2020 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14806299 Torrag said:
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LOLOL funny stuff. You should head to an open mic with that act.


Yeah, Winston threw for 30 INTs, but he also threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. So Winston is at worst a fungible QB - like Prescott. Therefore, getting Winston for 1/3 of what Prescott is asking for, when Prescott is nowhere near an elite QB, is good value.

What's your counter point?
Dak is good but a lot of his numbers...  
WalterSobchak : 2/7/2020 4:50 pm : link
come when they are up by a lot or down by a lot (or playing the Giants). In close games seems like he comes up small a lot. Lots of empty calories in those numbers. Hope he screws the Cowpies but If I were Jerry just throw the tag on him and see what happens. I would only go about 30 mill for Dak personally.
He’s not worth what he wants, but boy, do I hope he gets it.  
732NYG : 2/7/2020 4:58 pm : link
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LOL i love the tongue in cheek  
bluetothegrave : 2/7/2020 5:00 pm : link
Absolutely pay him $40 million and eat up all that salary for a good qb. That will prevent them from signing nearly anyone else and they will lose amari. Like the sarcastic crew here. $40 million or bust for dak.
I bet they end up paying him 37M @ year for 4 years  
montanagiant : 2/7/2020 5:00 pm : link
with 80M guaranteed and a 35M signing bonus.

Please do this Dallas
RE: Crazy  
ron mexico : 2/7/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14806236 bigblue5611_2 said:
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He's not worth more than Wilson. I'd argue him being worth more than Roethlisberger though at this point due to age and injury.


thats not really how it works. He is next up so he gets paid at the top, not top 5

.  
mattlawson : 2/7/2020 5:06 pm : link
That is nuts
.  
mattlawson : 2/7/2020 5:08 pm : link
That is nuts
RE: RE: 'get Winston on the cheap, and get similar performance'  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/7/2020 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14806305 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14806299 Torrag said:


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LOLOL funny stuff. You should head to an open mic with that act.



Yeah, Winston threw for 30 INTs, but he also threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. So Winston is at worst a fungible QB - like Prescott. Therefore, getting Winston for 1/3 of what Prescott is asking for, when Prescott is nowhere near an elite QB, is good value.

What's your counter point?

He won't have one, but you can bet he'll take a few words from your post and use it as a subject line.
The Cowboys are in the driver's seat imo.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/7/2020 5:21 pm : link
They can go out and get a vet QB like Rivers or Brady if he becomes available. Older guys will jump at that opportunity to play behind that OL and with Zeke. Dak better be careful because if he keeps pushing too hard he's going to find himself in a much different situation. If I were Dallas I would come up with a number and not exceed it at this point. I'd then evaluate tagging him vs. going after a vet QB. If I decide in a vet QB then drafting one becomes a priority.
'He won't have one'  
Torrag : 2/7/2020 5:27 pm : link
Stalk much? You don't need to speak for me.You're not intelligent enough to argue your own positions so you already have your hands full.

As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.

If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.

They aren't comparable players.

Winston stinks  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2020 5:32 pm : link
I’m no fan of Dak but they aren’t comparable players, IMO. If you are going the cheap route then get a guy like Bridgewater who’s intelligent and won’t lose you games like Winston will.
Doubt he’d play on the tag...  
trueblueinpw : 2/7/2020 5:59 pm : link
People say “tag him” like that’s all you need to do. But, I don’t think Dak would play on the tag. I guess he might, but wouldn’t this be the gist of two seasons they can use the tag? Anyway... hard for me to see him as the highest paid QB but then again I think he’s better than Goff.
Curious  
Samiam : 2/7/2020 6:13 pm : link
Does anybody think that there is another team that would offer more than $33 million a year for multiple years? I have no idea - just asking the question
RE: Curious  
UConn4523 : 2/7/2020 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14806357 Samiam said:
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Does anybody think that there is another team that would offer more than $33 million a year for multiple years? I have no idea - just asking the question


Absolutely. You’ve got possibly 4 QBs about to be drafted in the top 10, maybe 5 in the top 15. Then you’ve got the Colts and Chargers, possibly Saints all needing QBs that may not pick one Rd 1.

If Dak shook loose you’d have atleast 4 or 5 of those teams interested especially those outside of the top 5.
RE: Good for him.  
Saquads26 : 2/7/2020 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14806242 Metnut said:
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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Winston is a better QB than  
section125 : 2/7/2020 7:27 pm : link
Dak. Let's put Winston on Dallas and Dak on the Bucs and see how that turns out.

Dak is a "safe" choice that will never win the big game. Give Winston some time in the pocket and see what he does.
RE: Good for him.  
Mark from Jersey : 2/7/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14806242 Metnut said:
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He's worth $40M+ per year and shouldn't settle for a penny less.


"Jerry...if you are listening..."
well with fstubbs saying he has  
dan518 : 2/7/2020 8:17 pm : link
fungi, i wouldn't want to get anywhere near him...
RE: RE: Curious  
montanagiant : 2/7/2020 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14806392 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14806357 Samiam said:


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Does anybody think that there is another team that would offer more than $33 million a year for multiple years? I have no idea - just asking the question



Absolutely. You’ve got possibly 4 QBs about to be drafted in the top 10, maybe 5 in the top 15. Then you’ve got the Colts and Chargers, possibly Saints all needing QBs that may not pick one Rd 1.

If Dak shook loose you’d have atleast 4 or 5 of those teams interested especially those outside of the top 5.

Valid point, I just don't know if anyone would pay him higher than Wilson..He is not of the same caliber at all IMO
RE: 'He won't have one'  
WillVAB : 2/7/2020 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14806337 Torrag said:
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Stalk much? You don't need to speak for me.You're not intelligent enough to argue your own positions so you already have your hands full.

As far as a Dak v winston debate I'll simply point out two key statistical differences. Dak's TD/INT ratio of 30TD/11INT. So there is elite production with over a 3:1 TD/INT ratio v. a 1:1 turnover ratio for jameis. Prescott's Completion percentage of 65.8% vs 61.3 for winston is also a clear advantage in his favor. That's equates to a lot of third down conversions.

If you understand and appreciate the impact turnovers and 3rd down conversions have on the results you should understand why the statement that winston gives you similar performance is a joke. Winston is essentially responsible for two turnovers a game before the opening kickoff. Arians comment on his QB situation... 'if we can win with this guy, we can with with someone else' says it all.

They aren't comparable players.


This is weak.

If you evaluate Dak objectively he isn’t worth 23 mil let alone 33 mil a year. He’s a limited QB who can’t win big games despite the fact that he’s played behind a superior OL with a superior run game and a solid D his entire career. Objectively he’s an average QB at best in this league.

Winston is a flawed QB but you’ll get the same production at half the price of Dak in Dallas.
Cowboys should sign Bridgewater.  
Optimus-NY : 2/7/2020 11:28 pm : link
That would be the smart move. Let's hope they sign to Dak to a redonkulous contract.
imagine turning down 33M a year  
japanhead : 2/7/2020 11:55 pm : link
when you're objectively not a top 5 QB. what balls.

but as fourth round picks go, he was a hell of a lot better find than kyle fucking lauletta.
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