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Is this the best group of coaches...

EricJ : 2/8/2020 1:21 pm
we have had in a long time?

Of course we really don't know much about Judge yet but the rest of the crew has me feeling A LOT better about our future.

I think some of these guys may not have come cheap either so give some credit to Mara who must have opened the wallet.
Potential to be  
robbieballs2003 : 2/8/2020 1:22 pm : link
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pump the brakes  
ron mexico : 2/8/2020 1:29 pm : link
1/4 of the coaches have been openly mocked for being terrible (Kitchens and Garret) and another 1/4 we didn't know existed a few months ago, including our new HC

I actually think our defensive coaches are pretty weak, or at best  
PatersonPlank : 2/8/2020 1:31 pm : link
unproven. I do like the offensive coaches.
Someones gotta update that Skins pic  
j_rud : 2/8/2020 1:35 pm : link
cuz we're the new offseason champs
I was hoping Giant fans  
ddfan : 2/8/2020 1:46 pm : link
would chip in and sign Garret to a long term contract for the Cowboys. Now he is a Giant. Had so much to work with and couldnt do anything. Jury's out on him and the Judge.
better question  
Giantsfan79 : 2/8/2020 1:58 pm : link
when was the last time the NYG hired a new coaching staff and you weren't optimistic they were the ones to get it done?
If they  
pjcas18 : 2/8/2020 2:08 pm : link
win, yes.

If not, they'll be shitty.
Yeah  
uther99 : 2/8/2020 2:12 pm : link
this board regularly mocked Garrett and now praise him. I will get excited when they win
RE: Someones gotta update that Skins pic  
Leg of Theismann : 2/8/2020 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14806764 j_rud said:
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cuz we're the new offseason champs


Was about to say. We haven't even been through FA and the draft yet and people are already predicting "best in a long time" things for this team.

Similar to the way we've saw so many people say things like "Gettleman delivers best draft in a long time, what an upgrade from Reese" before any of the picks even played an NFL down yet.

Let's just see how this plays out.
RE: better question  
GiantsFan84 : 2/8/2020 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14806782 Giantsfan79 said:
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when was the last time the NYG hired a new coaching staff and you weren't optimistic they were the ones to get it done?


the last staff
RE: I actually think our defensive coaches are pretty weak, or at best  
GiantsFan84 : 2/8/2020 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14806760 PatersonPlank said:
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unproven. I do like the offensive coaches.


agree 100% with this post
RE: RE: I actually think our defensive coaches are pretty weak, or at best  
Simms11 : 2/8/2020 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14806813 GiantsFan84 said:
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unproven. I do like the offensive coaches.



agree 100% with this post


Which defensive coaches are weak to you? Spencer does not appear weak, Bielema does not appear to be weak, Sherrer does not appear to be weak. Henderson comes with decent credentials?! The new DC appears to be questionable to me, however he was Judgeís first choice and Judge appears to have done extensive background work on all hires, even those he knew it appears. It will be interesting to me to see the dynamics of how they work together and a brand new DC at work, as well.
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Big d E 2 : 2/8/2020 5:13 pm : link
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unproven. I do like the offensive coaches.



agree 100% with this post



+1
too many commercials  
mdc1 : 2/8/2020 5:18 pm : link
results needed. We go through this stuff every time we change coaching leadership.
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PatersonPlank : 2/8/2020 5:51 pm : link
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unproven. I do like the offensive coaches.



agree 100% with this post



Which defensive coaches are weak to you? Spencer does not appear weak, Bielema does not appear to be weak, Sherrer does not appear to be weak. Henderson comes with decent credentials?! The new DC appears to be questionable to me, however he was Judgeís first choice and Judge appears to have done extensive background work on all hires, even those he knew it appears. It will be interesting to me to see the dynamics of how they work together and a brand new DC at work, as well.


In my opinion the DC is questionable, Bielema is an idiot, and most of the rest have primarily (or only) college experience. I'd say there are a lot of question marks. Compare this to Garrett and Columbo for example, who both have had years of NFL success in their roles
Kind of - but if we take a step back and look at best of 2 decades  
Eric on Li : 2/8/2020 5:52 pm : link
OC - Garrett vs. Gilbride (or Payton). Garrett compares well to both in a lot of ways. He has some similarities to Gilbride in that it's a pretty traditional scheme with balance, though he's been a much better HC than Gilbride was. Payton has turned into a superstar but when he was here he was still young and had some ups/downs.

DC - Graham vs. Spags (or Fox). This one is tougher. I like the scheme evolving to fit the players better, but Fox was a really good DC and Spags had his high points. Graham is the highest upside, lowest floor coach on the staff.

ST & Strength coaches (same)

Position Coaches - this is where I think there's a different mix than we've ever had before. More former HC's, more college guys, more belichek/saban guys, many still young and all highly thought of. This is where the staff is very intriguing.
Paterson Plank  
Jay in Toronto : 2/8/2020 6:09 pm : link
I agree that Bielema is an idiot.

The hire is distasteful to me.

But I'm not sure he is a football idiot.
RE: Paterson Plank  
PatersonPlank : 2/8/2020 6:13 pm : link
In comment 14806888 Jay in Toronto said:
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I agree that Bielema is an idiot.

The hire is distasteful to me.

But I'm not sure he is a football idiot.


Granted, I agree with you 100%. As you state we arent sure it's a bad hire from a football point of view, just as we arent sure it's a good one either. It just adds to my thinking the staff as a whole has a lot of question Mark's
RE: pump the brakes  
djm : 2/8/2020 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14806755 ron mexico said:
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1/4 of the coaches have been openly mocked for being terrible (Kitchens and Garret) and another 1/4 we didn't know existed a few months ago, including our new HC


Bad HCs usually make for good asst coaches and you are being very unkind to Garrett. He was far from bad in Dallas. He helped turn them around. Dallas was a joke at the end of wade Phipps tenure.
It is unusual in recent memory to hear EricJ  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/8/2020 10:26 pm : link
be so enthused about something to do with the Giants -- I pray that it is truly warranted. I have been restraining my excitement -- but Judge had me when he invoked Ms Cleo.
RE: pump the brakes  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/9/2020 7:48 am : link
In comment 14806755 ron mexico said:
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1/4 of the coaches have been openly mocked for being terrible (Kitchens and Garret) and another 1/4 we didn't know existed a few months ago, including our new HC


Kitchens is not a HC. And dying Garret sucks because he couldnít control his boss is a stretch again as heís not the HC. Unlike McAdoo who just wasnít close to qualified you wonít find one sane person who thinks those two arenít qualified for their respective slots on this staff.

You would be just about the only person who is saying that. Kitchens like McAdoo shouldnít have been a HC. Garrettís knocks arenít about him not understanding offense. You donít have to love them but they are a shit ton more qualified than a lot of the guys weíve cycled through
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Simms11 : 2/9/2020 9:43 am : link
In comment 14806890 PatersonPlank said:
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I agree that Bielema is an idiot.

The hire is distasteful to me.

But I'm not sure he is a football idiot.



Granted, I agree with you 100%. As you state we arent sure it's a bad hire from a football point of view, just as we arent sure it's a good one either. It just adds to my thinking the staff as a whole has a lot of question Mark's


Do you think Belichek would of hired him if he was a lousy football coach? Regardless of his personal life, heís shown to know Football and he was a pretty damn successful HC in College Football, as well. I trust Judge when he says heís turned over every stone on these hires. Time will tell, but Iím pretty excited to see how it all transpires before coming to conclusions.
Garrett was a decent not good  
section125 : 2/9/2020 9:50 am : link
HC. I think he will be a VG OC..let's admit it, Shurmur was a pretty good OC and a bad HC. The two positions are mutually exclusive.

I tend to agree that the offensive side looks excellent and that the defensive side is questionable. I think that we just do not know anything about Patrick Graham as a DC. He is the true unknown.
Can we wait  
cjac : 2/9/2020 10:48 am : link
Until they start winning some games until we say anyone is better than anything?
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PatersonPlank : 2/9/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 14807157 Simms11 said:
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I agree that Bielema is an idiot.

The hire is distasteful to me.

But I'm not sure he is a football idiot.



Granted, I agree with you 100%. As you state we arent sure it's a bad hire from a football point of view, just as we arent sure it's a good one either. It just adds to my thinking the staff as a whole has a lot of question Mark's



Do you think Belichek would of hired him if he was a lousy football coach? Regardless of his personal life, heís shown to know Football and he was a pretty damn successful HC in College Football, as well. I trust Judge when he says heís turned over every stone on these hires. Time will tell, but Iím pretty excited to see how it all transpires before coming to conclusions.


I see no reason to give Bielema any benefit of any doubt. If he proves he's not really a scumbag, and can actually be a decent coach of some kind at the NFL level, ok. However time will tell, and we don't know if he will or not, so until this happens he is a huge question mark. Personally I expect to see him at one of the local strip joint establishments by October.
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Simms11 : 2/9/2020 1:00 pm : link
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I agree that Bielema is an idiot.

The hire is distasteful to me.

But I'm not sure he is a football idiot.



Granted, I agree with you 100%. As you state we arent sure it's a bad hire from a football point of view, just as we arent sure it's a good one either. It just adds to my thinking the staff as a whole has a lot of question Mark's



Do you think Belichek would of hired him if he was a lousy football coach? Regardless of his personal life, heís shown to know Football and he was a pretty damn successful HC in College Football, as well. I trust Judge when he says heís turned over every stone on these hires. Time will tell, but Iím pretty excited to see how it all transpires before coming to conclusions.



I see no reason to give Bielema any benefit of any doubt. If he proves he's not really a scumbag, and can actually be a decent coach of some kind at the NFL level, ok. However time will tell, and we don't know if he will or not, so until this happens he is a huge question mark. Personally I expect to see him at one of the local strip joint establishments by October.


This is a very odd take. Just because he's made some questionable personal decisions doesn't make him a bad Football Coach, who by the way, was very successful as a Head Coach at Wisconsin. Belichek thought highly enough of this guy to bring him on the staff as an advisor. Anyway, we'll see how things shake out.
I guess I'm in the dark on some stuff  
JOrthman : 2/9/2020 2:52 pm : link
What scum bag stuff has he done?
This is the best group of coaches in the history of coaching.  
Klaatu : 2/9/2020 3:07 pm : link
RE: better question  
EricJ : 2/9/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14806782 Giantsfan79 said:
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when was the last time the NYG hired a new coaching staff and you weren't optimistic they were the ones to get it done?


The last two times..
RE: It is unusual in recent memory to hear EricJ  
EricJ : 2/9/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14807055 gidiefor said:
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be so enthused about something to do with the Giants -- I pray that it is truly warranted. I have been restraining my excitement -- but Judge had me when he invoked Ms Cleo.


Gidie.. well, first I am not positive just like everyone else. I just thought this MAY be a group with a little more experience than we had in our recent past.

Also, I am a realist and if my prior comments about the team was not so enthusiastic, they were warranted. I am the type of person who typically wants to see it first before I start believing it.

What exactly should we have been enthused about? I made plenty of positive comments about Barkley and Jones. I supported OBJ trade, letting Collins go and also the trade for Peppers.
Neutral  
WillVAB : 2/9/2020 5:48 pm : link
I will say itís odd to bash Garrett as OC when Shula was pretty worthless here. I donít think anyone here can name one meaningful contribution Shula made during his tenure. At least Garrett has a legitimate resume and prior success as an OC.
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