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nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 2:37 pm
Portis may ask for a buyout according to berman..

Ellington expected to be bought out also accoring to berman
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Knox will probably be out of the rotation  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 8:10 am : link
when Harkless is ready to play
RE: RE: Are you fucking kidding me!?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 2/10/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 14807745 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Robbed of two points by a bullshit timeout call.

I agree. Terrible call there, but then again, Knicks had 8 point lead with about a minutes and a half left there in OT and let it slip away. Inexcusable



Knicks got a big ol' screwjob there with no vaseline. That really couldn't be reviewed?
Say what you want about Miller, but if Knox, Frank, Barrett and DSJ  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/10/2020 8:57 am : link
arenít getting better under him, what good is he? Who cares if we are barely winning/losing against the Hawks when Bullocks and Ellington are playing 35 min plus?

It fucking blows that, due to luck or incompetence, we are going to blow 3 picks in a row. And by playing mostly vets this year we are going to be picking 5th or 6th in a two player draft.

Rant over, carry on.
RE: Say what you want about Miller, but if Knox, Frank, Barrett and DSJ  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 9:01 am : link
In comment 14807850 Jim in Hoboken said:
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arenít getting better under him, what good is he? Who cares if we are barely winning/losing against the Hawks when Bullocks and Ellington are playing 35 min plus?

It fucking blows that, due to luck or incompetence, we are going to blow 3 picks in a row. And by playing mostly vets this year we are going to be picking 5th or 6th in a two player draft.

Rant over, carry on.


First off with the new lottery system there is no tanking..

2nd barrett was playing really well before the ankle injury so he has improved..

3rd sometimes young players just are not very good, usually if a young player in his 3rd year is trash, they dont play, no team sticks with a young player if they trash after their 2nd year..

people have this weird fascination that playing time equals developing, if player is struggling you dont give him more minutes
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Anakim : 2/10/2020 10:38 am : link
Sportando
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Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency
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Heisenberg : 2/10/2020 10:42 am : link
In comment 14807953 Anakim said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


I mean... ok
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14807953 Anakim said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


1 year deal with an option, sure

and if they trade for a star
Impossible, he's actually a good shooter.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 10:46 am : link
Kidding aside, if they emphasize shooting this summer it'll be a good first impression from Leon Rose and Co.
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Strahan91 : 2/10/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14807959 nygiants16 said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency



1 year deal with an option, sure

and if they trade for a star

if you read the article it sounds like pure speculation based on the fact that they have cap space and Gallinari is a CAA client. The exact quote is
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Another team that could be a potential suitor for Gallinari is the New York Knicks with CAAís Leon Rose expected to take over as team president. After trading Marcus Morris Sr. for Maurice Harkless and draft pick compensation, the Knicks have plenty of cap space to use this summer. Rose and Gallinariís agent, Michael Tellem of CAA Sports, have worked closely together during their time at the agency.
they are trading for a star  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 10:49 am : link
we all know that, leon rose and wes are not going slow rebuild, they valued picks rather than players because they hold more value..

RE: they are trading for a star  
Strahan91 : 2/10/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14807967 nygiants16 said:
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we all know that, leon rose and wes are not going slow rebuild, they valued picks rather than players because they hold more value..

The question is who? That first round pick only has more value than a 2019 first round pick before a selection is made so you need to plan on using it then before the draft. Unless they're making a run at John Wall or Chris Paul (yuck on both), it doesn't seem like a big name star will become available via trade anytime soon.
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14807976 Strahan91 said:
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we all know that, leon rose and wes are not going slow rebuild, they valued picks rather than players because they hold more value..



The question is who? That first round pick only has more value than a 2019 first round pick before a selection is made so you need to plan on using it then before the draft. Unless they're making a run at John Wall or Chris Paul (yuck on both), it doesn't seem like a big name star will become available via trade anytime soon.


Beal, lillard possibly...

Simmons or Embiid could become available if they get knocked out early..
RE: Say what you want about Miller, but if Knox, Frank, Barrett and DSJ  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14807850 Jim in Hoboken said:
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arenít getting better under him, what good is he? Who cares if we are barely winning/losing against the Hawks when Bullocks and Ellington are playing 35 min plus?

Hard to believe Knox, Frank and DSJ were all top 10 picks - three terrible players. I don't think Miller or anyone else can salvage those three. Frank in a limited bench role on a good team can be useful.

We shouldn't be married to any of these young players going forward. Memphis has Ja and Jackson, Phoenix has Booker and Ayton, Atlanta has Trae and Collins - what do we have? RJ and Mitch? A guard who can't shoot and a big who can't score outside of lobs and put-backs? We're about as close to an empty cupboard as an NBA team can get. I'm very much in favor of working the trade market aggressively.
Haliburton done for the year with a wrist injury.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 1:41 pm : link
Wiseman obviously has been out, LaMelo shut it down, too. Anthony Edwards has the stage to himself for the next few weeks.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2020 2:17 pm : link
Knicks related but... Christian Wood, quite a find off the scrap heap for Detroit
According to windhorst  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 2:22 pm : link
teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid
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DanMetroMan : 2/10/2020 2:25 pm : link
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Anakim : 2/10/2020 2:35 pm : link
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What does that mean? I mean he's not going to be traded until when? June at the earliest?
Why would moving Embiid be the default vs moving Simmons?  
Strahan91 : 2/10/2020 2:37 pm : link
Seems like moving Simmons makes a lot more sense. As far as the Knicks go, there's next to no chance they move either in the division anyways.
RE: According to windhorst  
TyreeHelmet : 2/10/2020 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14808237 nygiants16 said:
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teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid


"I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

Nothing worse than a bad nba writer complaining about his job. And are NBA GMs really calling Windhorst to "debrief" him? Not sure I'm buying that.

I do expect Simmons or Embiid to be traded. I think if constructed properly with enough athletes and shooting you can build a great team around Simmons.
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 4:23 pm : link
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teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid



"I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

Nothing worse than a bad nba writer complaining about his job. And are NBA GMs really calling Windhorst to "debrief" him? Not sure I'm buying that.

I do expect Simmons or Embiid to be traded. I think if constructed properly with enough athletes and shooting you can build a great team around Simmons.


i am more interested to see what the blazers do if they miss playoffs
David  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2020 5:24 pm : link
Falk believes Calipari will be coaching the Knicks next season.
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14808408 DanMetroMan said:
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Falk believes Calipari will be coaching the Knicks next season.


no thanks
RE: RE: According to windhorst  
Enzo : 2/10/2020 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14808347 TyreeHelmet said:
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teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid



"I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

Nothing worse than a bad nba writer complaining about his job. And are NBA GMs really calling Windhorst to "debrief" him? Not sure I'm buying that.

bahaha. Windhorst is such a self-important clown.
FWIW  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 8:00 pm : link
Berman says Van Gundy and Thibs on Rose short list for coaches
Van Gundyís not coming here to coach kids.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 8:16 pm : link
To him, a ďkidĒ is any player under 30. Expect trades if he gets the gig. Thibs would be a travesty, but still better than Jackson.
RE: Van Gundyís not coming here to coach kids.  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14808498 bceagle05 said:
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To him, a ďkidĒ is any player under 30. Expect trades if he gets the gig. Thibs would be a travesty, but still better than Jackson.


i expect trades no matter who is the coach, and i expeft van gundy to be the coach..
For a guy thrown into a real crap show  
steve in ky : 2/10/2020 10:53 pm : link
and not having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system I think Miller has done a very good job. I hope the Knicks give him a chance to coach next season but it's probably not going to happen which is a shame because the guy can coach.
RE: For a guy thrown into a real crap show  
Del Shofner : 2/10/2020 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14808568 steve in ky said:
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and not having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system I think Miller has done a very good job. I hope the Knicks give him a chance to coach next season but it's probably not going to happen which is a shame because the guy can coach.


I agree.
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Enzo : 2/11/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14808568 steve in ky said:
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and not having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system I think Miller has done a very good job. I hope the Knicks give him a chance to coach next season but it's probably not going to happen which is a shame because the guy can coach.

I think he's been ok, yet I wonder if he just looks good because Fizdale was so awful?
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GeofromNJ : 2/11/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14807953 Anakim said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency

If the Knicks sign Gallinari, I should either be happy in that they've finally come to their senses, or miserable when I consider the years wasted with Melo who brought the offense to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14808734 GeofromNJ said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


If the Knicks sign Gallinari, I should either be happy in that they've finally come to their senses, or miserable when I consider the years wasted with Melo who brought the offense to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.


yes it was melo's fault..

Because keeping that team together would of been so much better
I think Miller is solid.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:25 am : link
Given where the team is right now, I wouldn't mind giving him a two-year deal and just taking it a year at a time while the roster is built up. Dolan's already paying Fizdale NOT to coach the team, so it seems silly for him to commit to another big name/big price tag coach when the team is so bad, but it's his money not mine. I bet Miller stays on JVG's staff, if he's the choice.
Avdija  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2020 10:26 am : link
seemingly with some major draft helium right now.
Van Quitter would be the perfect cherry on the top of this shit sundae  
Greg from LI : 2/11/2020 10:26 am : link
Never won shit when they had great teams, never won shit in Houston, but yeah, he's exactly the coach they need!
RE: I think Miller is solid.  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14808751 bceagle05 said:
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Given where the team is right now, I wouldn't mind giving him a two-year deal and just taking it a year at a time while the roster is built up. Dolan's already paying Fizdale NOT to coach the team, so it seems silly for him to commit to another big name/big price tag coach when the team is so bad, but it's his money not mine. I bet Miller stays on JVG's staff, if he's the choice.


Miller worked on Van Gundys usa staff, so i am sure if Miller wanted to Van Gundy would keep him
Yeah I'm not nearly as excited about JVG as others will be.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:30 am : link
It'll be a fun story for a little while, but there are serious questions about whether he can adapt to today's style of play. I'd still prefer him to Thibs, Calipari and Jackson though. Hopefully we expand our search.

"We beat on, boats against the current, borne ceaselessly into the past..."
Gallo/Bertans/Harris/Morris/Bogdanovic - just sign one good shooter.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:38 am : link
Maybe draft another with the Clippers/Charlotte picks, and of course go BPA in the top 10. Time to find some shotmakers at long last.
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TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2020 10:43 am : link
In comment 14808734 GeofromNJ said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


If the Knicks sign Gallinari, I should either be happy in that they've finally come to their senses, or miserable when I consider the years wasted with Melo who brought the offense to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.


Iím so sick of people acting like the 98 bulls were broken up when the Knicks traded for Melo. Gallinari has been a really good player of late, but with Denver he was a disappointment for years. Injured and didnít put all together.

And the Melo trade wasnít this lopsided awful trade.

Gallinari
Wilson Chandler( who the Knicks couldnít have resigned if they wanted to sign a max player)
Mozgov
Felton
1st round pick and a pick swap

Thatís really not a lot to give up for what they got out of Melo. Itís a tired and incorrect take to say the Knicks got ďfleecedĒ.
Random endorsement:  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:48 am : link
If you don't already, I'd recommend following KnicksFanTV on YouTube and other social media. The two hosts - CP and J. Ellis - do a great job with post-game shows and other content, including interviews with draft analysts and Knicks reporters (Marc Berman and Tommy Beer have been on a few times). It's far better than anything the NY media or even MSG provides, and they're not total homers either. Anyway, that's my PSA for the day.
if Leon Rose's  
Enzo : 2/11/2020 11:21 am : link
initial plan is really Thibs and/or JVG then he's worse than I thought. I fear it's going to be more of the same at MSG for quite some time. Zero desire or commitment to just hire smart people and let them build a team.
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TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2020 11:33 am : link
In comment 14808838 Enzo said:
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initial plan is really Thibs and/or JVG then he's worse than I thought. I fear it's going to be more of the same at MSG for quite some time. Zero desire or commitment to just hire smart people and let them build a team.


My fears as well. I love Van Gundy and he knows a hell of lot more about basketball than the people who run the Knicks, but it just feels like a look back move. And he hasnít coached since 2006 I believe.

I definitely see them making major trades this offseason. Donít see 60 year old Leon Rose having the patience for a multi-year rebuild. Hell be making trades to try to get good quickly. Hopefully it works. I still donít understand why they didnít wait until the offseason and make the top GMs say no to you.
I'm sure that Rose...  
Jan in DC : 2/11/2020 11:44 am : link
can be creative. He's organized plenty of Knicks moves to get his players paid. I just think that this smacks of a weird conflict of interest.

Sure, he's hired by the Knicks, but do we really trust that he's not going to put the interests of CAA and his players above the teams? I don't know. If he's fired, do you think he's not going to go right back to CAA and get a number of his old clients back?

Feels like the NBA would have regulations in place for something like this.
RE: I'm sure that Rose...  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 14808864 Jan in DC said:
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can be creative. He's organized plenty of Knicks moves to get his players paid. I just think that this smacks of a weird conflict of interest.

Sure, he's hired by the Knicks, but do we really trust that he's not going to put the interests of CAA and his players above the teams? I don't know. If he's fired, do you think he's not going to go right back to CAA and get a number of his old clients back?

Feels like the NBA would have regulations in place for something like this.


A player agent going to run a team is not something new..
And before rose can even tske over  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 11:53 am : link
he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..
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Jan in DC : 2/11/2020 12:41 pm : link
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he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..


It's a relatively new trend. I think just Golden State and LA have done it right?

And just because they decertify, doesn't mean that he isn't looking out for his guys.
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Strahan91 : 2/11/2020 12:47 pm : link
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he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..



It's a relatively new trend. I think just Golden State and LA have done it right?

And just because they decertify, doesn't mean that he isn't looking out for his guys.

Have you seen a list of his clients? How many of these could present a true conflict of interest that would arise in the next year or two?
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 12:51 pm : link
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he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..



It's a relatively new trend. I think just Golden State and LA have done it right?

And just because they decertify, doesn't mean that he isn't looking out for his guys.


so you thibk he is going to take the job and basically ehh fuck the knicks i am just going to look out for my former clients who he probably wont get back?
Why even take the job then?  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 1:41 pm : link
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Sounds like steve stoute  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 2:39 pm : link
has a lot of power within the Knicks, almost like him and Rose will be equal, him on the marketing and branding side and rose on the basketball side but will work together...
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