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NFT: Knicks chat: Buyouts coming

nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 2:37 pm
Portis may ask for a buyout according to berman..

Ellington expected to be bought out also accoring to berman
Portis  
Jon in NYC : 2/8/2020 2:43 pm : link
can ask for whatever he wants, he's about to be a solid player on an 18 mil expiring deal. They should keep him for trade bait.
Calling Portis  
MookGiants : 2/8/2020 2:48 pm : link
a solid player is a stretch, and that is being kind.
Portiis has a team option for next season  
Vanzetti : 2/8/2020 2:54 pm : link
No reason to buy Him out. Just do t pick up the option

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RE: Portiis has a team option for next season  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14806817 Vanzetti said:
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No reason to buy Him out. Just do t pick up the option

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buying a player out is usually a favor to the agent, plus you get him to waive the 1 million guaranteed for next year
Ellington looking, too.  
manh george : 2/8/2020 2:58 pm : link
Link.

Ironically, the Knicks may be playing too good for their own good right now, so trading off bodies makes sense. Most of the players pushing them toward a few wins won't be around next year, so it isn't as if the wins are helping them "grow." Payton, Gibson, Bullock and Ellington were a combined +29 on Thursday. The rest of the team was a combines -27.

Who in that group is going to be retained? I guess maybe Payton, who has improved as he got further away from his injury.
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RE: Ellington looking, too.  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14806821 manh george said:
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Ironically, the Knicks may be playing too good for their own good right now, so trading off bodies makes sense. Most of the players pushing them toward a few wins won't be around next year, so it isn't as if the wins are helping them "grow." Payton, Gibson, Bullock and Ellington were a combined +29 on Thursday. The rest of the team was a combines -27.

Who in that group is going to be retained? I guess maybe Payton, who has improved as he got further away from his injury. Link - ( New Window )


why would you not bring back payton, gibson and bullock?
RE: Ellington looking, too.  
Strahan91 : 2/8/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14806821 manh george said:
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Ironically, the Knicks may be playing too good for their own good right now, so trading off bodies makes sense. Most of the players pushing them toward a few wins won't be around next year, so it isn't as if the wins are helping them "grow." Payton, Gibson, Bullock and Ellington were a combined +29 on Thursday. The rest of the team was a combines -27.

Who in that group is going to be retained? I guess maybe Payton, who has improved as he got further away from his injury. Link - ( New Window )

Bullock will be retained if for no other reason than his cap number is cheap next year which could make him an attractive trade chip.
from the Berman article:  
Del Shofner : 2/8/2020 3:05 pm : link
"In Thursday’s deal with the Clippers, the Knicks didn’t want to take on rookies Terance Mann and Mfiondu Kabengel in exchange for Marcus Morris because they didn’t want to immediately waive players. That indicates the Knicks either wanted to keep the veterans for leadership or prefer to save money in a buyout scenario."

Not sure what to make of that. I know Greg on LI was in favor of getting Kabengel and he seems like a player the Knicks could have used in a rebuild.

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Buying out portis  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 3:39 pm : link
allows you to play smaller off the bench with harkless at the 4 and knox at the 3, opens up the pick and roll with smith and mitch..
RE: from the Berman article:  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14806827 Del Shofner said:
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"In Thursday’s deal with the Clippers, the Knicks didn’t want to take on rookies Terance Mann and Mfiondu Kabengel in exchange for Marcus Morris because they didn’t want to immediately waive players. That indicates the Knicks either wanted to keep the veterans for leadership or prefer to save money in a buyout scenario."

Not sure what to make of that. I know Greg on LI was in favor of getting Kabengel and he seems like a player the Knicks could have used in a rebuild. Link - ( New Window )


picks are always more valuablr then young potential players, Knicks are trying to accumalate as many assets as they can for a trade..

a future first will always be morr valued by teams
Bullock, Gibson and Peyton should be retained  
larryflower37 : 2/8/2020 3:46 pm : link
next year.
let everyone else walk.
Rod Strickland is a “name to watch” for the front office, says Begley.  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2020 3:54 pm : link
Ties to Rose/Calipari, currently an exec in the G League, highly regarded.
RE: Rod Strickland is a “name to watch” for the front office, says Begley.  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14806845 bceagle05 said:
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Ties to Rose/Calipari, currently an exec in the G League, highly regarded.


Wes and rose were with strickland at the temple game today
RE: Buying out portis  
robbieballs2003 : 2/8/2020 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14806840 nygiants16 said:
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allows you to play smaller off the bench with harkless at the 4 and knox at the 3, opens up the pick and roll with smith and mitch..


Or just not playing him and holding onto him does the same.
Embarrassed to admit I’m watching tonight’s game.  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2020 7:39 pm : link
Down 11 after one to a Pistons team without Drummond, Griffin and Kennard.

Can we buy out Ellington in between quarters?

Two quick fouls for Mitch. Can’t even stay out of foul trouble off the bench. Time to learn how to play basketball, big fella.
RE: Embarrassed to admit I’m watching tonight’s game.  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14806935 bceagle05 said:
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Down 11 after one to a Pistons team without Drummond, Griffin and Kennard.

Can we buy out Ellington in between quarters?

Two quick fouls for Mitch. Can’t even stay out of foul trouble off the bench. Time to learn how to play basketball, big fella.


and people will still complain he is not starting
you know its funny  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 7:57 pm : link
everyone screams ans yells how the young guys need to play more, show me the team that plays crappy young players after their 2nd year?

Teams usually give up on players after 2 years
Yeah I don’t have much of an issue with playing time.  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2020 8:08 pm : link
RJ starts, and Mitch has only himself to blame for the foul trouble. Beyond that, no one has earned much of anything.
Iggy lighting it up in Westchester!  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2020 8:13 pm : link
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RE: Bullock, Gibson and Peyton should be retained  
Vanzetti : 2/8/2020 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14806844 larryflower37 said:
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next year.
let everyone else walk.


At the time, it was reported that had team options for next year. But Hoopshype shows them with guaranteed contracts for next year

Anyone know the real story?
RE: RE: Bullock, Gibson and Peyton should be retained  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14806961 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 14806844 larryflower37 said:


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next year.
let everyone else walk.



At the time, it was reported that had team options for next year. But Hoopshype shows them with guaranteed contracts for next year

Anyone know the real story?


1 million guaranteed
I think the Knicks finally found themselves a pretty good coach. I'm  
Ira : 2/8/2020 8:46 pm : link
curious to see if they're smart enough to keep him.
RE: I think the Knicks finally found themselves a pretty good coach. I'm  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14806975 Ira said:
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curious to see if they're smart enough to keep him.


he is to slow to make subs and leaves players in to long..

my only complaint, no reason Mitch should still be on the bench and portis should be in the game
Knicks are going to win this...  
Anakim : 2/8/2020 9:17 pm : link
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We may never lose again.  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2020 9:17 pm : link
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these fucking refs  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 9:19 pm : link
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the one official  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 9:21 pm : link
looked at the screen and wanted to review it so bad
I believe Wood is a free agent.  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2020 9:23 pm : link
Type of guy we should be targeting.
5 games out  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 9:23 pm : link
hahaha
RE: I believe Wood is a free agent.  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14807016 bceagle05 said:
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Type of guy we should be targeting.


for some reason he has never stuck anywhere, always got looks but never stuck
Dare I say it  
djm : 2/8/2020 9:40 pm : link
Payton is a good nba point guard when he’s healthy. And he’s definitely healthy right now. Did we finally find a point guard? I don’t think the Knicks need to go all in on this guy but Payton is playing himself into future plans with these performances. No way in hell am I letting him go anywhere this offseason.
RE: Dare I say it  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14807024 djm said:
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Payton is a good nba point guard when he’s healthy. And he’s definitely healthy right now. Did we finally find a point guard? I don’t think the Knicks need to go all in on this guy but Payton is playing himself into future plans with these performances. No way in hell am I letting him go anywhere this offseason.


i am keeping payton, bullock, gibson and harkless..

portis and ellington definitely gone
Payton  
XBRONX : 2/8/2020 9:49 pm : link
outside shooting is dreadful and so is his free throw shooting his year.
RE: Payton  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14807035 XBRONX said:
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outside shooting is dreadful and so is his free throw shooting his year.


and yet he can completely control the game with his playmaking, for a guy who cant shoot he knows how to get into the paint and create..

he runs the offense lerfectly and doesnt turn the ball over..
I agree  
XBRONX : 2/8/2020 10:00 pm : link
about Paytons passing and ball handling. Assist to turnover rate is very good.
13-17 since miller took over  
nygiants16 : 2/8/2020 10:02 pm : link
but Fizdale was scapegoated..

Knicks better hurry uo and finalize leonrose as president before Dolan rehires Mills
Portis and Ellington seemed like  
bceagle05 : 2/8/2020 10:25 pm : link
the most ridiculous of the FA signings right from the start. That’s the $20+ million that should’ve been rented out on the trade market for a pick.
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djm : 2/8/2020 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14807030 nygiants16 said:
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Payton is a good nba point guard when he’s healthy. And he’s definitely healthy right now. Did we finally find a point guard? I don’t think the Knicks need to go all in on this guy but Payton is playing himself into future plans with these performances. No way in hell am I letting him go anywhere this offseason.



i am keeping payton, bullock, gibson and harkless..

portis and ellington definitely gone


Portis is so annoying to watch. Just a dumb player.
Payton can absolutely be a starting NBA PG  
Stu11 : 2/9/2020 12:48 am : link
in the right situation surrounded by shooters. He knows how to run the offense, get in the paint and get the ball to everyone in the right spots. Obviously we don't have th shooters now but I'd keep him and try and add shooters in the off season. Obviously if we can draft an elite PG we do it and /or sign a guy like VanVleet but Elfie can be a part of this team next year.
Payton with be an excellent backup point guard  
Chris L. : 2/9/2020 6:48 am : link
on a real good playoff team. We still need to draft or sign our front line PG but every real good team needs two.
What they’re showing under  
Dave on the UWS : 2/9/2020 12:08 pm : link
Miller’s competent coaching, is there ARE pieces here. Payton has a role, Bullock could too.. For this team to get anywhere several things HAVE to happen
1. R.J. HAS to develop into a legit #2 or 3 on a championship team.
2. Robinson and Knox news to develop into viable young rotation players
3. MOST importantly- they have to find #1. The bonafide star to lead the franchise.
Knicks up 10 early in Atlanta.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 6:25 pm : link
Bullock finally heating up from three.
Randle 10 pts, 8 boards  
Tony in Berlin : 2/9/2020 6:27 pm : link
in the 1st quarter
RE: What they’re showing under  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14807229 Dave on the UWS said:
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Miller’s competent coaching, is there ARE pieces here. Payton has a role, Bullock could too.. For this team to get anywhere several things HAVE to happen
1. R.J. HAS to develop into a legit #2 or 3 on a championship team.
2. Robinson and Knox news to develop into viable young rotation players
3. MOST importantly- they have to find #1. The bonafide star to lead the franchise.


I think knicks trade for a star this offseason to pair with barrett then sign another in 2021..

Barrett becomes your number 3 next to 2 stars
Knox  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 6:37 pm : link
loses the ball for no reason
RE: Knox  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14807448 Del Shofner said:
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loses the ball for no reason


Miller calls timeout - Knox singlehandedly facilitating a Hawks comeback
send knkx to the damn g league  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 6:39 pm : link
he cant handle an nba game right now, he plays scared, timid and is to weak..
I love these random Portis scoring sprees.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 6:41 pm : link
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RE: send knkx to the damn g league  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14807451 nygiants16 said:
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he cant handle an nba game right now, he plays scared, timid and is to weak..


agree.
How the hell is that a foul on RJ?  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 6:47 pm : link
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RE: How the hell is that a foul on RJ?  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14807456 bceagle05 said:
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because he wears a knicks uniform and they are in atlanta..
This Randle/Portis combo  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 7:02 pm : link
is quite a spectacle on the defensive end.
Up two at the half.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 7:06 pm : link
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people love trae young  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 7:07 pm : link
i hate his game, it is entirely built on chucking..

And what was frank doing, he is setting a pick, no one is covering him go to the basket
Knox 0-2, 0 points, 2 turnovers  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 7:15 pm : link
and -5 in 7 minutes.

He shouldn't be getting playing time right now - he's sucking completely. And the worst part is that he doesn't look like he's giving full effort.

G League would be best for him. Bring up Iggy!
I would go heavy Frank/Mitch to corral Young/Collins.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 7:19 pm : link
Winnable game.
Welp, down 11 after three.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 7:47 pm : link
Pretty flat on a back-to-back.
Knox is not playable  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 7:48 pm : link
He is the worst player in the nba, no defense, he is clueless on the court
frank for being a good defender  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 7:52 pm : link
is fricken stupid
.  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 8:03 pm : link
"Robinson bounding and confounding as the Hawks talk"

sheer poetry from Clyde...
Randle  
XBRONX : 2/9/2020 8:05 pm : link
should be called Mr Turnover. Five so far. The guys blows handling the ball.
RE: Randle  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14807543 XBRONX said:
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should be called Mr Turnover. Five so far. The guys blows handling the ball.


It's crazy that he plays this 'point forward' role - there's no need for it and he's not good at it. I thought that was going to go away when Fiz left but apparently not.
and it's not like he's a bad player -  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 8:09 pm : link
he scores and rebounds. He just shouldn't be playing the point too.
young threw his head back  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:10 pm : link
before he was even touched..
i forgot trae young was jordan  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:14 pm : link
..
Resilient group.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 8:18 pm : link
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Knox  
MookGiants : 2/9/2020 8:22 pm : link
is playing himself out of the league in no time. Dreadful player
RE: Resilient group.  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14807558 bceagle05 said:
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but it is not the young players so it doesnt matter
RE: Resilient group.  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14807558 bceagle05 said:
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but it is not the young players so it doesnt matter
The Knox situation is almost  
GMEN46 : 2/9/2020 8:24 pm : link
Like Markell fultz. He needs a reset. He has no confidence. I don’t understand why they don’t send him to the g league to play 35 minutes a night
RE: Resilient group.  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14807558 bceagle05 said:
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but it is not the young players so it doesnt matter
RE: The Knox situation is almost  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14807569 GMEN46 said:
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Like Markell fultz. He needs a reset. He has no confidence. I don’t understand why they don’t send him to the g league to play 35 minutes a night


many teams wont send a lottery pick to the g league because of the optics
Trying to give it away now.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 8:35 pm : link
Who’s gonna step up?
Another turnover.  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 8:37 pm : link
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Blowing an 8 pt lead in OT  
Tony in Berlin : 2/9/2020 8:40 pm : link
takes a lot of skill.
Nice game overall for him  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 8:41 pm : link
but Payton found a few different ways to blow the lead - starting with the fast break layup attempt with under two minutes left and an eight-point lead.
dear lord does trae young get every call  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:46 pm : link
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what horseshit  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:48 pm : link
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Are you fucking kidding me!?  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 8:49 pm : link
Robbed of two points by a bullshit timeout call.
And they get a three  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 8:51 pm : link
and another, and now it’s over. Fucking garbage.
refs are horrendous  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:52 pm : link
my friend texted me when knicks up 8 in ot, this looks like a playoff team, i just layed into him..

and the refs werent going to call that  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 8:55 pm : link
..
Why did Bullock foul?  
bceagle05 : 2/9/2020 9:00 pm : link
That was dumb.
Dumbest  
MookGiants : 2/9/2020 9:00 pm : link
group of players in the history of the NBA.
thst is terrible  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 9:00 pm : link
the rule is dogshit
RE: refs are horrendous  
MookGiants : 2/9/2020 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14807600 nygiants16 said:
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my friend texted me when knicks up 8 in ot, this looks like a playoff team, i just layed into him..


Your friend sees about as well as Stevie Wonder.

team fought hard  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 9:02 pm : link
back to back double overtime, team looks gassed
RE: RE: refs are horrendous  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14807615 MookGiants said:
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my friend texted me when knicks up 8 in ot, this looks like a playoff team, i just layed into him..




Your friend sees about as well as Stevie Wonder.


well technically since miller has taken over they have been a playoff team..
Payton like I  
XBRONX : 2/9/2020 9:17 pm : link
said nice ball handler,treadful shooter.
RE: Payton like I  
Del Shofner : 2/9/2020 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14807629 XBRONX said:
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said nice ball handler,treadful shooter.


yup, good backup PG. but we need a true #1
RE: Payton like I  
nygiants16 : 2/9/2020 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14807629 XBRONX said:
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said nice ball handler,treadful shooter.


if he coukd shoot hed be top 5
RE: Are you fucking kidding me!?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2020 1:06 am : link
In comment 14807595 bceagle05 said:
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Robbed of two points by a bullshit timeout call.


Knicks got a big ol' screwjob there with no vaseline. That really couldn't be reviewed?
I didn't see the entire game, but Mitch was playing really well  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2020 1:08 am : link
when I watched at the end.
RE: Knox 0-2, 0 points, 2 turnovers  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2020 1:14 am : link
In comment 14807493 Del Shofner said:
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and -5 in 7 minutes.

He shouldn't be getting playing time right now - he's sucking completely. And the worst part is that he doesn't look like he's giving full effort.

G League would be best for him. Bring up Iggy!


Iggy isn't an NBA player. Too bad Kenny Wooten is hurt.
Knox will probably be out of the rotation  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 8:10 am : link
when Harkless is ready to play
RE: RE: Are you fucking kidding me!?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 2/10/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 14807745 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Robbed of two points by a bullshit timeout call.

I agree. Terrible call there, but then again, Knicks had 8 point lead with about a minutes and a half left there in OT and let it slip away. Inexcusable



Knicks got a big ol' screwjob there with no vaseline. That really couldn't be reviewed?
Say what you want about Miller, but if Knox, Frank, Barrett and DSJ  
Jim in Hoboken : 2/10/2020 8:57 am : link
aren’t getting better under him, what good is he? Who cares if we are barely winning/losing against the Hawks when Bullocks and Ellington are playing 35 min plus?

It fucking blows that, due to luck or incompetence, we are going to blow 3 picks in a row. And by playing mostly vets this year we are going to be picking 5th or 6th in a two player draft.

Rant over, carry on.
RE: Say what you want about Miller, but if Knox, Frank, Barrett and DSJ  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 9:01 am : link
In comment 14807850 Jim in Hoboken said:
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aren’t getting better under him, what good is he? Who cares if we are barely winning/losing against the Hawks when Bullocks and Ellington are playing 35 min plus?

It fucking blows that, due to luck or incompetence, we are going to blow 3 picks in a row. And by playing mostly vets this year we are going to be picking 5th or 6th in a two player draft.

Rant over, carry on.


First off with the new lottery system there is no tanking..

2nd barrett was playing really well before the ankle injury so he has improved..

3rd sometimes young players just are not very good, usually if a young player in his 3rd year is trash, they dont play, no team sticks with a young player if they trash after their 2nd year..

people have this weird fascination that playing time equals developing, if player is struggling you dont give him more minutes
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Anakim : 2/10/2020 10:38 am : link
Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency
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Heisenberg : 2/10/2020 10:42 am : link
In comment 14807953 Anakim said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


I mean... ok
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14807953 Anakim said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


1 year deal with an option, sure

and if they trade for a star
Impossible, he's actually a good shooter.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 10:46 am : link
Kidding aside, if they emphasize shooting this summer it'll be a good first impression from Leon Rose and Co.
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Strahan91 : 2/10/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14807959 nygiants16 said:
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Sportando
@Sportando

Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency



1 year deal with an option, sure

and if they trade for a star

if you read the article it sounds like pure speculation based on the fact that they have cap space and Gallinari is a CAA client. The exact quote is
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Another team that could be a potential suitor for Gallinari is the New York Knicks with CAA’s Leon Rose expected to take over as team president. After trading Marcus Morris Sr. for Maurice Harkless and draft pick compensation, the Knicks have plenty of cap space to use this summer. Rose and Gallinari’s agent, Michael Tellem of CAA Sports, have worked closely together during their time at the agency.
they are trading for a star  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 10:49 am : link
we all know that, leon rose and wes are not going slow rebuild, they valued picks rather than players because they hold more value..

RE: they are trading for a star  
Strahan91 : 2/10/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14807967 nygiants16 said:
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we all know that, leon rose and wes are not going slow rebuild, they valued picks rather than players because they hold more value..

The question is who? That first round pick only has more value than a 2019 first round pick before a selection is made so you need to plan on using it then before the draft. Unless they're making a run at John Wall or Chris Paul (yuck on both), it doesn't seem like a big name star will become available via trade anytime soon.
RE: RE: they are trading for a star  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14807976 Strahan91 said:
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we all know that, leon rose and wes are not going slow rebuild, they valued picks rather than players because they hold more value..



The question is who? That first round pick only has more value than a 2019 first round pick before a selection is made so you need to plan on using it then before the draft. Unless they're making a run at John Wall or Chris Paul (yuck on both), it doesn't seem like a big name star will become available via trade anytime soon.


Beal, lillard possibly...

Simmons or Embiid could become available if they get knocked out early..
RE: Say what you want about Miller, but if Knox, Frank, Barrett and DSJ  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14807850 Jim in Hoboken said:
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aren’t getting better under him, what good is he? Who cares if we are barely winning/losing against the Hawks when Bullocks and Ellington are playing 35 min plus?

Hard to believe Knox, Frank and DSJ were all top 10 picks - three terrible players. I don't think Miller or anyone else can salvage those three. Frank in a limited bench role on a good team can be useful.

We shouldn't be married to any of these young players going forward. Memphis has Ja and Jackson, Phoenix has Booker and Ayton, Atlanta has Trae and Collins - what do we have? RJ and Mitch? A guard who can't shoot and a big who can't score outside of lobs and put-backs? We're about as close to an empty cupboard as an NBA team can get. I'm very much in favor of working the trade market aggressively.
Haliburton done for the year with a wrist injury.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 1:41 pm : link
Wiseman obviously has been out, LaMelo shut it down, too. Anthony Edwards has the stage to himself for the next few weeks.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2020 2:17 pm : link
Knicks related but... Christian Wood, quite a find off the scrap heap for Detroit
According to windhorst  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 2:22 pm : link
teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid
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What does that mean? I mean he's not going to be traded until when? June at the earliest?
Why would moving Embiid be the default vs moving Simmons?  
Strahan91 : 2/10/2020 2:37 pm : link
Seems like moving Simmons makes a lot more sense. As far as the Knicks go, there's next to no chance they move either in the division anyways.
RE: According to windhorst  
TyreeHelmet : 2/10/2020 4:06 pm : link
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teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid


"I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

Nothing worse than a bad nba writer complaining about his job. And are NBA GMs really calling Windhorst to "debrief" him? Not sure I'm buying that.

I do expect Simmons or Embiid to be traded. I think if constructed properly with enough athletes and shooting you can build a great team around Simmons.
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nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 4:23 pm : link
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teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid



"I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

Nothing worse than a bad nba writer complaining about his job. And are NBA GMs really calling Windhorst to "debrief" him? Not sure I'm buying that.

I do expect Simmons or Embiid to be traded. I think if constructed properly with enough athletes and shooting you can build a great team around Simmons.


i am more interested to see what the blazers do if they miss playoffs
David  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2020 5:24 pm : link
Falk believes Calipari will be coaching the Knicks next season.
RE: David  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 5:40 pm : link
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Falk believes Calipari will be coaching the Knicks next season.


no thanks
RE: RE: According to windhorst  
Enzo : 2/10/2020 5:45 pm : link
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teams are starting to prepare offers for Embiid



"I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

Nothing worse than a bad nba writer complaining about his job. And are NBA GMs really calling Windhorst to "debrief" him? Not sure I'm buying that.

bahaha. Windhorst is such a self-important clown.
FWIW  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 8:00 pm : link
Berman says Van Gundy and Thibs on Rose short list for coaches
Van Gundy’s not coming here to coach kids.  
bceagle05 : 2/10/2020 8:16 pm : link
To him, a “kid” is any player under 30. Expect trades if he gets the gig. Thibs would be a travesty, but still better than Jackson.
RE: Van Gundy’s not coming here to coach kids.  
nygiants16 : 2/10/2020 8:23 pm : link
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To him, a “kid” is any player under 30. Expect trades if he gets the gig. Thibs would be a travesty, but still better than Jackson.


i expect trades no matter who is the coach, and i expeft van gundy to be the coach..
For a guy thrown into a real crap show  
steve in ky : 2/10/2020 10:53 pm : link
and not having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system I think Miller has done a very good job. I hope the Knicks give him a chance to coach next season but it's probably not going to happen which is a shame because the guy can coach.
RE: For a guy thrown into a real crap show  
Del Shofner : 2/10/2020 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14808568 steve in ky said:
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and not having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system I think Miller has done a very good job. I hope the Knicks give him a chance to coach next season but it's probably not going to happen which is a shame because the guy can coach.


I agree.
RE: For a guy thrown into a real crap show  
Enzo : 2/11/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14808568 steve in ky said:
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and not having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system I think Miller has done a very good job. I hope the Knicks give him a chance to coach next season but it's probably not going to happen which is a shame because the guy can coach.

I think he's been ok, yet I wonder if he just looks good because Fizdale was so awful?
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GeofromNJ : 2/11/2020 10:15 am : link
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Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency

If the Knicks sign Gallinari, I should either be happy in that they've finally come to their senses, or miserable when I consider the years wasted with Melo who brought the offense to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 10:20 am : link
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Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


If the Knicks sign Gallinari, I should either be happy in that they've finally come to their senses, or miserable when I consider the years wasted with Melo who brought the offense to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.


yes it was melo's fault..

Because keeping that team together would of been so much better
I think Miller is solid.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:25 am : link
Given where the team is right now, I wouldn't mind giving him a two-year deal and just taking it a year at a time while the roster is built up. Dolan's already paying Fizdale NOT to coach the team, so it seems silly for him to commit to another big name/big price tag coach when the team is so bad, but it's his money not mine. I bet Miller stays on JVG's staff, if he's the choice.
Avdija  
DanMetroMan : 2/11/2020 10:26 am : link
seemingly with some major draft helium right now.
Van Quitter would be the perfect cherry on the top of this shit sundae  
Greg from LI : 2/11/2020 10:26 am : link
Never won shit when they had great teams, never won shit in Houston, but yeah, he's exactly the coach they need!
RE: I think Miller is solid.  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 10:27 am : link
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Given where the team is right now, I wouldn't mind giving him a two-year deal and just taking it a year at a time while the roster is built up. Dolan's already paying Fizdale NOT to coach the team, so it seems silly for him to commit to another big name/big price tag coach when the team is so bad, but it's his money not mine. I bet Miller stays on JVG's staff, if he's the choice.


Miller worked on Van Gundys usa staff, so i am sure if Miller wanted to Van Gundy would keep him
Yeah I'm not nearly as excited about JVG as others will be.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:30 am : link
It'll be a fun story for a little while, but there are serious questions about whether he can adapt to today's style of play. I'd still prefer him to Thibs, Calipari and Jackson though. Hopefully we expand our search.

"We beat on, boats against the current, borne ceaselessly into the past..."
Gallo/Bertans/Harris/Morris/Bogdanovic - just sign one good shooter.  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:38 am : link
Maybe draft another with the Clippers/Charlotte picks, and of course go BPA in the top 10. Time to find some shotmakers at long last.
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TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2020 10:43 am : link
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Heat and Knicks expected to be suitors of Danilo Gallinari in next free agency


If the Knicks sign Gallinari, I should either be happy in that they've finally come to their senses, or miserable when I consider the years wasted with Melo who brought the offense to a screeching halt every time he touched the ball.


I’m so sick of people acting like the 98 bulls were broken up when the Knicks traded for Melo. Gallinari has been a really good player of late, but with Denver he was a disappointment for years. Injured and didn’t put all together.

And the Melo trade wasn’t this lopsided awful trade.

Gallinari
Wilson Chandler( who the Knicks couldn’t have resigned if they wanted to sign a max player)
Mozgov
Felton
1st round pick and a pick swap

That’s really not a lot to give up for what they got out of Melo. It’s a tired and incorrect take to say the Knicks got “fleeced”.
Random endorsement:  
bceagle05 : 2/11/2020 10:48 am : link
If you don't already, I'd recommend following KnicksFanTV on YouTube and other social media. The two hosts - CP and J. Ellis - do a great job with post-game shows and other content, including interviews with draft analysts and Knicks reporters (Marc Berman and Tommy Beer have been on a few times). It's far better than anything the NY media or even MSG provides, and they're not total homers either. Anyway, that's my PSA for the day.
if Leon Rose's  
Enzo : 2/11/2020 11:21 am : link
initial plan is really Thibs and/or JVG then he's worse than I thought. I fear it's going to be more of the same at MSG for quite some time. Zero desire or commitment to just hire smart people and let them build a team.
RE: if Leon Rose's  
TyreeHelmet : 2/11/2020 11:33 am : link
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initial plan is really Thibs and/or JVG then he's worse than I thought. I fear it's going to be more of the same at MSG for quite some time. Zero desire or commitment to just hire smart people and let them build a team.


My fears as well. I love Van Gundy and he knows a hell of lot more about basketball than the people who run the Knicks, but it just feels like a look back move. And he hasn’t coached since 2006 I believe.

I definitely see them making major trades this offseason. Don’t see 60 year old Leon Rose having the patience for a multi-year rebuild. Hell be making trades to try to get good quickly. Hopefully it works. I still don’t understand why they didn’t wait until the offseason and make the top GMs say no to you.
I'm sure that Rose...  
Jan in DC : 2/11/2020 11:44 am : link
can be creative. He's organized plenty of Knicks moves to get his players paid. I just think that this smacks of a weird conflict of interest.

Sure, he's hired by the Knicks, but do we really trust that he's not going to put the interests of CAA and his players above the teams? I don't know. If he's fired, do you think he's not going to go right back to CAA and get a number of his old clients back?

Feels like the NBA would have regulations in place for something like this.
RE: I'm sure that Rose...  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 14808864 Jan in DC said:
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can be creative. He's organized plenty of Knicks moves to get his players paid. I just think that this smacks of a weird conflict of interest.

Sure, he's hired by the Knicks, but do we really trust that he's not going to put the interests of CAA and his players above the teams? I don't know. If he's fired, do you think he's not going to go right back to CAA and get a number of his old clients back?

Feels like the NBA would have regulations in place for something like this.


A player agent going to run a team is not something new..
And before rose can even tske over  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 11:53 am : link
he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..
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Jan in DC : 2/11/2020 12:41 pm : link
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he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..


It's a relatively new trend. I think just Golden State and LA have done it right?

And just because they decertify, doesn't mean that he isn't looking out for his guys.
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Strahan91 : 2/11/2020 12:47 pm : link
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he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..



It's a relatively new trend. I think just Golden State and LA have done it right?

And just because they decertify, doesn't mean that he isn't looking out for his guys.

Have you seen a list of his clients? How many of these could present a true conflict of interest that would arise in the next year or two?
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nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 12:51 pm : link
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he has to decertify and get all of his clients signed to new agents..



It's a relatively new trend. I think just Golden State and LA have done it right?

And just because they decertify, doesn't mean that he isn't looking out for his guys.


so you thibk he is going to take the job and basically ehh fuck the knicks i am just going to look out for my former clients who he probably wont get back?
Why even take the job then?  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 1:41 pm : link
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Sounds like steve stoute  
nygiants16 : 2/11/2020 2:39 pm : link
has a lot of power within the Knicks, almost like him and Rose will be equal, him on the marketing and branding side and rose on the basketball side but will work together...
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