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NFT: Movies with the best realistic shootouts

montanagiant : 2/9/2020 6:53 pm
My favorites:
Taxi Driver
Open Range
The way of the gun
True Romance
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Easy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/9/2020 10:26 pm : link
Police Squad...


Now obviously  
santacruzom : 2/9/2020 10:28 pm : link
Paintball guns don't recoil and you're not intoxicated by adrenaline when you're shooting them. And you can easily adjust your shots, since you can see your rounds fly through the air. But I still came away impressed by how a seemingly average person can lead their target.
second choice  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/9/2020 10:29 pm : link
RE: Easy  
mfsd : 2/9/2020 10:30 pm : link
In comment 14807680 Eric from BBI said:
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Police Squad...




Hahaha winner
Here you go...  
Milton : 2/9/2020 10:30 pm : link
It's realistic because he runs out of bullets and has to switch guns.
The Smell of Fear - ( New Window )
RE: RE: True romance  
montanagiant : 2/9/2020 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14807679 santacruzom said:
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I do think people overestimate the accuracy the general person would or should have with a hand gun,




Sure but on the other hand, I once did paint ball with a bunch of colleagues when I worked at a non profit for a fairly liberal cause. You could safely assume than only 1 or 2 of the 30 of us had ever fired or touched a real gun (I was one of them). And yet, I quickly learned that hiding behind a tree or darting from one to the next didn't nearly the amount of cover or safety as the movies made it seem. Amateur hippie women in their 50's were repeatedly pelting me with Martin Riggs-like efficiency.

LMAO...I have to admit I experience the same thing. People who couldn't shoot to save their lives were nailing me from 100' out
RE: second choice  
montanagiant : 2/9/2020 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14807682 Eric from BBI said:
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I would have been in traction carrying that 600 lb log
montanagiant  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/9/2020 11:03 pm : link
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
RE: montanagiant  
montanagiant : 2/9/2020 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14807698 Eric from BBI said:
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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!

I remember it, just absurd.
RE: Here you go...  
montanagiant : 2/9/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14807684 Milton said:
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It's realistic because he runs out of bullets and has to switch guns. The Smell of Fear - ( New Window )

LOL...OJ putting together the semi-tank is hilarious
RE: Killer - 2009  
montanagiant : 2/9/2020 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14807648 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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Or a crime films by John Woo Link - ( New Window )

I don't know, you have over 10 dudes with machineguns vs 2 guys with a pistol
As mentioned before, Heat  
RomanWH : 2/9/2020 11:36 pm : link
One that hasn't been mentioned before... The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx, Jennifer Garner, Jason Bateman. The last 30 minutes or so... crazy good shootout.
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santacruzom : 2/9/2020 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14807701 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14807698 Eric from BBI said:


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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!


I remember it, just absurd.


Yes, but I will always maintain that beginning to end, Commando is one of the most entertaining movies of my life. If it's on, I switch to it and never have any regrets.
RE: montanagiant  
Motley Two : 2/9/2020 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14807698 Eric from BBI said:
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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!


I like to think they were hitting him, they just couldn't penetrate him.
One of the worst was the Rundown  
montanagiant : 2/9/2020 11:48 pm : link
Outside of the final scene the movie was funny and was entertaining. Then you have the Rock fighting off an army without a weapon for half of it
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montanagiant : 2/9/2020 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14807733 Motley Two said:
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In comment 14807698 Eric from BBI said:


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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!



I like to think they were hitting him, they just couldn't penetrate him.

The best was when he aimed at the guy in the tower and his gun was pointed towards the door but the dude 3 stories up somehow got killed. Also what kind of Camo was that he had on...LOL. It was like a couple of strips here and there
I'm not sure about how realistic it is...  
Milton : 2/10/2020 12:10 am : link
But my favorite shootout of all time is from a TV show, not the movies. Spoiler alert if you haven't gotten past season three of Breaking Bad.
Hank (unarmed) vs two men in bullet proof vests - ( New Window )
The Killers (1946)  
Klaatu : 2/10/2020 5:51 am : link
Hitmen William Conrad and Charles McGraw enter a restaurant intent on murdering Edmond O'Brien, who's eating dinner there. But O'Brien and Sam Levene are ready for them.

Short but sweet.
As far as short films go...  
Milton : 2/10/2020 6:03 am : link
I nominate this "awesome ballet of death"...
The Gunfighter - ( New Window )
Act of Valor -  
section125 : 2/10/2020 6:38 am : link
they actually used live rounds...

Heat - great choice

Fully agree  
Bill2 : 2/10/2020 6:50 am : link
On Heat.

I'm guessing the front end of Saving Private Ryan
RE: Fully agree  
section125 : 2/10/2020 7:10 am : link
In comment 14807763 Bill2 said:
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On Heat.

I'm guessing the front end of Saving Private Ryan


Normandy Beach assault in Saving Private Ryan - my old man WW2 and some Nam Vets I know said this was so real they had flash backs..
RE: montanagiant  
mfsd : 2/10/2020 7:12 am : link
In comment 14807698 Eric from BBI said:
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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!


Id have to say, the final shootout in Cobra was on par with Commando. Stallone takes out an army of about 200 psychos with one machine gun.
Unforgiven  
Bill2 : 2/10/2020 7:13 am : link
I read some of the background thinking behind the film.

The vast vast majority of gunfights were drunken endless wild shots in dark places. Often the guys that "won" simply had more guns or bullets and shot last.

Quick draw based duels were only a small percentage compared to the alcohol blinded brawls
Definitely Heat  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 2/10/2020 7:32 am : link
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Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid...  
KingBlue : 2/10/2020 7:45 am : link
The Final Scene...
This thread took a weird turn  
RobCarpenter : 2/10/2020 8:17 am : link
Commando and Cobra are two films that do not hold up - Commando b/c of its laughable special effects, and Cobra b/c it was hastily edited into a mess of a film.
RE: This thread took a weird turn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/10/2020 8:20 am : link
In comment 14807804 RobCarpenter said:
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Commando and Cobra are two films that do not hold up - Commando b/c of its laughable special effects, and Cobra b/c it was hastily edited into a mess of a film.


We were joking about those films.
Some of the scenes in Lone Survivor....  
bw in dc : 2/10/2020 8:23 am : link
were pretty damn good, especially the fighting on the mountain (not the village raid at the end)....
I would go with Heat based on just the sheer awesoness of it...  
RC in MD : 2/10/2020 8:33 am : link
but at least from my experience, I would go with the confusing pandemonium during the final raid in Zero Dark Thirty as the most realistic, especially when all of the SEALs end up in that one room waiting to go up the stairs to get UBL.

And while not realistic at all (and a crummy movie to boot), I would also put the chaotic nature of the scene from Battle: Los Angeles when the squad of Marines get ambushed as they start walking down the street as the most realistic reaction scene. How they have no clue where the shots are coming from and everyone is just yelling is pretty realistic in terms of the utter chaos of first contact with an enemy (just ignore the fact that these are aliens...replace them with humans)
First contact - ( New Window )
RE: I would go with Heat based on just the sheer awesoness of it...  
RC in MD : 2/10/2020 8:38 am : link
In comment 14807824 RC in MD said:
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but at least from my experience, I would go with the confusing pandemonium during the final raid in Zero Dark Thirty as the most realistic, especially when all of the SEALs end up in that one room waiting to go up the stairs to get UBL.

And while not realistic at all (and a crummy movie to boot), I would also put the chaotic nature of the scene from Battle: Los Angeles when the squad of Marines get ambushed as they start walking down the street as the most realistic reaction scene. How they have no clue where the shots are coming from and everyone is just yelling is pretty realistic in terms of the utter chaos of first contact with an enemy (just ignore the fact that these are aliens...replace them with humans) First contact - ( New Window )


By the way...I saw the North Hollywood shootout back in 1997 live on TV, and the sheer devastation that two people could cause against dozens of police officers is reminiscent of the shootout in Heat. So I wouldn't say that the shootout in Heat is totally unrealistic, especially when one side has automatic weapons while the other side does not.
North Hollywood Shootout - ( New Window )
You want realism?  
Milton : 2/10/2020 8:42 am : link
Omar vs Brother Mouzone
IIRC, people blamed Heat for the North Hollywood shootout  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2020 9:14 am : link
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HEAT was awesome!  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/10/2020 9:32 am : link
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RE: IIRC, people blamed Heat for the North Hollywood shootout  
RC in MD : 2/10/2020 9:49 am : link
In comment 14807862 Greg from LI said:
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Well...then it proves that Heat scene is realistic in a weird way.
RE: This thread took a weird turn  
mfsd : 2/10/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 14807804 RobCarpenter said:
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Commando and Cobra are two films that do not hold up - Commando b/c of its laughable special effects, and Cobra b/c it was hastily edited into a mess of a film.


Strangely, Cobra stands out to me bc the bad guy was genuinely scary...at least, when I first saw it at about 13 or 14.

Commando was simply the most absurd of all the Arnold vehicles of the era...which in a way is why a lot of us still think of it fondly.

And yes, we were joking about them as realistic in any way

Two from Clint Eastwood...  
Milton : 2/10/2020 9:59 am : link
I can't decide which is more realistic and which is more racist...
Sudden Impact
Dirty Harry
hah...well, I will of course defer to your expertise in these matters  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2020 10:01 am : link
I will continue to say, though, that the weapons handling in Heat was very good, regardless of how realistic (or not) the shootout itself was.

I love that movie so damned much.
RE: Two from Clint Eastwood...  
Milton : 2/10/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 14807914 Milton said:
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I can't decide which is more realistic and which is more racist...
Sudden Impact
Dirty Harry

Can't comment on the realism of Dirty Harry without props to Dirty Larry...
"Do 50 bullets in your ass make your day?" - ( New Window )
RE: Two from Clint Eastwood...  
Klaatu : 2/10/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 14807914 Milton said:
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I can't decide which is more realistic and which is more racist...
Sudden Impact
Dirty Harry


I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I met Albert Popwell, the actor playing the bank robber who Clint asks if he feels lucky, several times when I was a kid. He used to live in the apartment across the hall from my aunt in NYC. He had small parts in most of the Dirty Harry movies (and a few other Eastwood movies like Coogan's Bluff). Real nice guy.
He was in all the Dirty Harry movies except the Dead Pool  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2020 10:19 am : link
He was one of the bank robbers in Dirty Harry, the pimp in Magnum Force, the black radical leader in The Enforcer, and Harry's detective buddy in Sudden Impact.
RE: hah...well, I will of course defer to your expertise in these matters  
RC in MD : 2/10/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 14807917 Greg from LI said:
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I will continue to say, though, that the weapons handling in Heat was very good, regardless of how realistic (or not) the shootout itself was.

I love that movie so damned much.


The thing that people never truly appreciate when watching any kind of a movie with shootouts/firefights is just how chaotic and confusing the entire thing is. Even the most well trained special operations teams get into firefights that devolve into a lot of rounds being put down range with most becoming suppressive fire more than anything. We've gotten so enamored with the myth of our special operators being these efficient killers, but they're just as prone to confusion and chaos (just in a more violent and controlled manner than your regular infantry).

That's why the Zero Dark Thirty scene at the end and the Battle: Los Angeles scene in the beginning are pretty realistic on how confusing everything gets.
RE: He was in all the Dirty Harry movies except the Dead Pool  
Klaatu : 2/10/2020 10:42 am : link
In comment 14807933 Greg from LI said:
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He was one of the bank robbers in Dirty Harry, the pimp in Magnum Force, the black radical leader in The Enforcer, and Harry's detective buddy in Sudden Impact.


Yup, that was "Popi," as we called him back then. He was filming a movie in Australia when The Dead Pool began production. I always get a kick out of seeing him play a bad guy, thug, whatever on the big screen, because that was so unlike him in real life.
not a movie  
dlauster : 2/10/2020 12:59 pm : link
but the shooting scenes in Giri/Haji on Netflix seem incredibly real.
RE: montanagiant  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/10/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14807698 Eric from BBI said:
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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!


You've just described 95% of the movie Desperado.
Mars Attacks  
Chris684 : 2/10/2020 4:09 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
Any John Woo movie...  
trueblueinpw : 2/10/2020 5:22 pm : link
When Im in a gun fight I always like to have both my 9s held sideways as Im jumping through a flock of white doves and emptying my 300 round clips.
RE: As far as short films go...  
montanagiant : 2/10/2020 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14807759 Milton said:
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I nominate this "awesome ballet of death"... The Gunfighter - ( New Window )

hat was really well done and funny.

Cool story about Nick Offerman. My daughter and two other kids were in charge of setting up bringing in comedians, bands, lecturer's performers..etc.. For Kansas State University.

She and I are huge Parks & Rec fans and I love Offerman character. She contacts his people and he comes down there for a show. He was such a nice guy he hung out with the 3 of them for about 90 mins prior to his show singing and telling stories. The best part? For Christmas that year I got a framed Playbill of his show signed by him saying "Eat Meat".
The ending of 'The Town'.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2020 7:48 am : link
'If we get jammed up, we're holding court on the street.'
So are we still talking about the most realistic  
RC in MD : 2/11/2020 11:07 am : link
or just really cool shootouts at this point? Seems like most people remember the really cool ones more so than the realistic ones although what is really considered realistic other than most shots never hitting their targets?
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