just kidding. I’d have to think more on this but I’m guessing some of the better made war movies like some of the scenes in Saving Private Ryan are fairly realistic.
just kidding. I’d have to think more on this but I’m guessing some of the better made war movies like some of the scenes in Saving Private Ryan are fairly realistic.
This came to me because I just watched Taxi Driver...What an amazing shootout scene near end of that movie. Especially when Dinaro gets shot in the neck
El Dorado was pretty realistic. They both fired multiple shots at each other while 20 or so feet away and missed a bunch until Jesse finally connected.
Shooting a hand gun at someone, while being shot at, is ridiculously hard to do accurately
I had to scroll down wwwwwwaaaaayyyyyyy too much to see this.
Its Heat Bank Robbery Scene at #1 no close second as far as realism goes...they actually used live rounds in the shoot too (no slugs in the bullets, obviously).
The actual gunfight the OK Corral last 30 seconds with 30 shots fired.
The movie Tombstone has a fight sequence that shows about a minute of firing and close to 70 shots. Which if you take out all the nonsense about Ike Clanton (grabbing Earp them going into the building next store etc...) the scene is a pretty good representation of what happened. gunfight. - ( New Window )
The actual gunfight the OK Corral last 30 seconds with 30 shots fired.
The movie Tombstone has a fight sequence that shows about a minute of firing and close to 70 shots. Which if you take out all the nonsense about Ike Clanton (grabbing Earp them going into the building next store etc...) the scene is a pretty good representation of what happened. gunfight. - ( New Window )
Yeah it is amazing how in the heat of things how many bullets miss
I do think people overestimate the accuracy the general person would or should have with a hand gun, even at seemingly short distances, but realistic doesn't come to mind with that shootout scene.
I think the most realistic scenes I've seen are movies like American History X or New Jack City where someone comes and puts the gun right to someone else's head.
I had to scroll down wwwwwwaaaaayyyyyyy too much to see this.
Its Heat Bank Robbery Scene at #1 no close second as far as realism goes...they actually used live rounds in the shoot too (no slugs in the bullets, obviously).
Seriously. Nothing I’ve seen compares to Heat.
In some of the behind the scenes interviews out there, the actors talk about going through military training in tactics and use of weapons to prepare for that scene, with live ammo
That was a great movie, really underappreciated IMO. So many excellent scenes. Hanks and Newman at the piano, the introduction of Jude Law's character, Hanks and son at the diner "negotiating" the sons cut. And of course relevant to this thread, the shootout in the rain. "I'm glad its you..." That was a damn good movie.
I’ve been in one as a cop. Nothing catches the feeling. It’s like slow motion . 12 seconds feels like 10 minutes..
Amazing how many posts just blew this one off. If you could include the auditory and olfactory input you might get close. Cinematic reproduction may be entertaining but it is not ever "realistic."
That was a great movie, really underappreciated IMO. So many excellent scenes. Hanks and Newman at the piano, the introduction of Jude Law's character, Hanks and son at the diner "negotiating" the sons cut. And of course relevant to this thread, the shootout in the rain. "I'm glad its you..." That was a damn good movie.
So overlooked with a bunch of great actors ad a really interesting story
SAS commando Andy McNab was the weapons advisor on Heat Â
And he trained them very well. DeNiro and Kilmer executed some flawless reloads under fire
In the DVD documentary Val Kilmer talked about how the military will show that scene to train the military.
From the link:
Legend has it that Val Kilmer took to the training so well that the shot of him laying down fire in multiple directions and reloading his weapon (without the scene cutting) has been shown at Fort Bragg as a part of training for American Green Berets. Marines training at MCRD San Diego have also been shown this firefight from "Heat" as a depiction of how to effectively retreat under fire. Link - ( New Window )
They reload all the time & grab other guns. Can’t stand when shootouts never run out of bullets.
Cant remember where i came across it but awhile back i saw a 15-20 minute "making of" feature on tactical aspects of John Wick. They use a technique (system? Not sure what you would call it tbh) called center axis relock thats apparently popular with law enforcement.
I do think people overestimate the accuracy the general person would or should have with a hand gun,
Sure but on the other hand, I once did paint ball with a bunch of colleagues when I worked at a non profit for a fairly liberal cause. You could safely assume than only 1 or 2 of the 30 of us had ever fired or touched a real gun (I was one of them). And yet, I quickly learned that hiding behind a tree or darting from one to the next didn't nearly the amount of cover or safety as the movies made it seem. Amateur hippie women in their 50's were repeatedly pelting me with Martin Riggs-like efficiency.
Paintball guns don't recoil and you're not intoxicated by adrenaline when you're shooting them. And you can easily adjust your shots, since you can see your rounds fly through the air. But I still came away impressed by how a seemingly average person can lead their target.
I do think people overestimate the accuracy the general person would or should have with a hand gun,
Sure but on the other hand, I once did paint ball with a bunch of colleagues when I worked at a non profit for a fairly liberal cause. You could safely assume than only 1 or 2 of the 30 of us had ever fired or touched a real gun (I was one of them). And yet, I quickly learned that hiding behind a tree or darting from one to the next didn't nearly the amount of cover or safety as the movies made it seem. Amateur hippie women in their 50's were repeatedly pelting me with Martin Riggs-like efficiency.
LMAO...I have to admit I experience the same thing. People who couldn't shoot to save their lives were nailing me from 100' out
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
One that hasn't been mentioned before... The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx, Jennifer Garner, Jason Bateman. The last 30 minutes or so... crazy good shootout.
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
I remember it, just absurd.
Yes, but I will always maintain that beginning to end, Commando is one of the most entertaining movies of my life. If it's on, I switch to it and never have any regrets.
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
I like to think they were hitting him, they just couldn't penetrate him.
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
I like to think they were hitting him, they just couldn't penetrate him.
The best was when he aimed at the guy in the tower and his gun was pointed towards the door but the dude 3 stories up somehow got killed. Also what kind of Camo was that he had on...LOL. It was like a couple of strips here and there
Hitmen William Conrad and Charles McGraw enter a restaurant intent on murdering Edmond O'Brien, who's eating dinner there. But O'Brien and Sam Levene are ready for them.
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
I’d have to say, the final shootout in Cobra was on par with Commando. Stallone takes out an army of about 200 psychos with one machine gun.
I read some of the background thinking behind the film.
The vast vast majority of gunfights were drunken endless wild shots in dark places. Often the guys that "won" simply had more guns or bullets and shot last.
Quick draw based duels were only a small percentage compared to the alcohol blinded brawls
Commando and Cobra are two films that do not hold up - Commando b/c of its laughable special effects, and Cobra b/c it was hastily edited into a mess of a film.
Commando and Cobra are two films that do not hold up - Commando b/c of its laughable special effects, and Cobra b/c it was hastily edited into a mess of a film.
but at least from my experience, I would go with the confusing pandemonium during the final raid in Zero Dark Thirty as the most realistic, especially when all of the SEALs end up in that one room waiting to go up the stairs to get UBL.
And while not realistic at all (and a crummy movie to boot), I would also put the chaotic nature of the scene from Battle: Los Angeles when the squad of Marines get ambushed as they start walking down the street as the most realistic reaction scene. How they have no clue where the shots are coming from and everyone is just yelling is pretty realistic in terms of the utter chaos of first contact with an enemy (just ignore the fact that these are aliens...replace them with humans) First contact - ( New Window )
RE: I would go with Heat based on just the sheer awesoness of it... Â
but at least from my experience, I would go with the confusing pandemonium during the final raid in Zero Dark Thirty as the most realistic, especially when all of the SEALs end up in that one room waiting to go up the stairs to get UBL.
And while not realistic at all (and a crummy movie to boot), I would also put the chaotic nature of the scene from Battle: Los Angeles when the squad of Marines get ambushed as they start walking down the street as the most realistic reaction scene. How they have no clue where the shots are coming from and everyone is just yelling is pretty realistic in terms of the utter chaos of first contact with an enemy (just ignore the fact that these are aliens...replace them with humans) First contact - ( New Window )
By the way...I saw the North Hollywood shootout back in 1997 live on TV, and the sheer devastation that two people could cause against dozens of police officers is reminiscent of the shootout in Heat. So I wouldn't say that the shootout in Heat is totally unrealistic, especially when one side has automatic weapons while the other side does not. North Hollywood Shootout - ( New Window )
Commando and Cobra are two films that do not hold up - Commando b/c of its laughable special effects, and Cobra b/c it was hastily edited into a mess of a film.
Strangely, Cobra stands out to me bc the bad guy was genuinely scary...at least, when I first saw it at about 13 or 14.
Commando was simply the most absurd of all the Arnold vehicles of the era...which in a way is why a lot of us still think of it fondly.
And yes, we were joking about them as realistic in any way
I can't decide which is more realistic and which is more racist...
Sudden Impact
Dirty Harry
I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I met Albert Popwell, the actor playing the bank robber who Clint asks if he feels lucky, several times when I was a kid. He used to live in the apartment across the hall from my aunt in NYC. He had small parts in most of the Dirty Harry movies (and a few other Eastwood movies like Coogan's Bluff). Real nice guy.
He was in all the Dirty Harry movies except the Dead Pool Â
He was one of the bank robbers in Dirty Harry, the pimp in Magnum Force, the black radical leader in The Enforcer, and Harry's detective buddy in Sudden Impact.
RE: hah...well, I will of course defer to your expertise in these matters Â
I will continue to say, though, that the weapons handling in Heat was very good, regardless of how realistic (or not) the shootout itself was.
I love that movie so damned much.
The thing that people never truly appreciate when watching any kind of a movie with shootouts/firefights is just how chaotic and confusing the entire thing is. Even the most well trained special operations teams get into firefights that devolve into a lot of rounds being put down range with most becoming suppressive fire more than anything. We've gotten so enamored with the myth of our special operators being these efficient killers, but they're just as prone to confusion and chaos (just in a more violent and controlled manner than your regular infantry).
That's why the Zero Dark Thirty scene at the end and the Battle: Los Angeles scene in the beginning are pretty realistic on how confusing everything gets.
RE: He was in all the Dirty Harry movies except the Dead Pool Â
He was one of the bank robbers in Dirty Harry, the pimp in Magnum Force, the black radical leader in The Enforcer, and Harry's detective buddy in Sudden Impact.
Yup, that was "Popi," as we called him back then. He was filming a movie in Australia when The Dead Pool began production. I always get a kick out of seeing him play a bad guy, thug, whatever on the big screen, because that was so unlike him in real life.
the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
I nominate this "awesome ballet of death"... The Gunfighter - ( New Window )
hat was really well done and funny.
Cool story about Nick Offerman. My daughter and two other kids were in charge of setting up bringing in comedians, bands, lecturer's performers..etc.. For Kansas State University.
She and I are huge Parks & Rec fans and I love Offerman character. She contacts his people and he comes down there for a show. He was such a nice guy he hung out with the 3 of them for about 90 mins prior to his show singing and telling stories. The best part? For Christmas that year I got a framed Playbill of his show signed by him saying "Eat Meat".
or just really cool shootouts at this point? Seems like most people remember the really cool ones more so than the realistic ones although what is really considered realistic other than most shots never hitting their targets?
This came to me because I just watched Taxi Driver...What an amazing shootout scene near end of that movie. Especially when Dinaro gets shot in the neck
Excellent choice
Shooting a hand gun at someone, while being shot at, is ridiculously hard to do accurately
LOL
Yeah Zero Dark Thirty was a good one
Its Heat Bank Robbery Scene at #1 no close second as far as realism goes...they actually used live rounds in the shoot too (no slugs in the bullets, obviously).
I have a lot of friends who have been ion some hairy situations NOTHING like TV from what ive been told ever
The movie Tombstone has a fight sequence that shows about a minute of firing and close to 70 shots. Which if you take out all the nonsense about Ike Clanton (grabbing Earp them going into the building next store etc...) the scene is a pretty good representation of what happened.
gunfight. - ( New Window )
That was actually one of the best shootout scenes I have seen. So sad he died during that.
Good one. One of my favorite movies
The movie Tombstone has a fight sequence that shows about a minute of firing and close to 70 shots. Which if you take out all the nonsense about Ike Clanton (grabbing Earp them going into the building next store etc...) the scene is a pretty good representation of what happened. gunfight. - ( New Window )
Yeah it is amazing how in the heat of things how many bullets miss
I do think people overestimate the accuracy the general person would or should have with a hand gun, even at seemingly short distances, but realistic doesn't come to mind with that shootout scene.
I think the most realistic scenes I've seen are movies like American History X or New Jack City where someone comes and puts the gun right to someone else's head.
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Bank robbery scene. Mic drop
I had to scroll down wwwwwwaaaaayyyyyyy too much to see this.
Its Heat Bank Robbery Scene at #1 no close second as far as realism goes...they actually used live rounds in the shoot too (no slugs in the bullets, obviously).
Seriously. Nothing I’ve seen compares to Heat.
In some of the behind the scenes interviews out there, the actors talk about going through military training in tactics and use of weapons to prepare for that scene, with live ammo
That was a great movie, really underappreciated IMO. So many excellent scenes. Hanks and Newman at the piano, the introduction of Jude Law's character, Hanks and son at the diner "negotiating" the sons cut. And of course relevant to this thread, the shootout in the rain. "I'm glad its you..." That was a damn good movie.
Have to post this O&A classic. Jimmy was dead on.
“Movie stunk. Bunch a doves.”
Jim Norton Changes Patrice’s Mind - ( New Window )
Amazing how many posts just blew this one off. If you could include the auditory and olfactory input you might get close. Cinematic reproduction may be entertaining but it is not ever "realistic."
Thanks King.
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Oh, you said realistic. I thought you said stand in front of each other and continually miss.
Have to post this O&A classic. Jimmy was dead on.
“Movie stunk. Bunch a doves.” Jim Norton Changes Patrice’s Mind - ( New Window )
I so miss that Radio
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Some good ones in an often underlooked movie
That was a great movie, really underappreciated IMO. So many excellent scenes. Hanks and Newman at the piano, the introduction of Jude Law's character, Hanks and son at the diner "negotiating" the sons cut. And of course relevant to this thread, the shootout in the rain. "I'm glad its you..." That was a damn good movie.
So overlooked with a bunch of great actors ad a really interesting story
2 good calls. First Sicario border crossing scene is a great under the radar choice. The first 2 acts of that movie were great.
Zero Dark Thirty was also a great all around movie and very well done.
Heat has been mentioned and that's a classic but I wouldn't consider it realistic.
No country for old men had some real good ones.
Link - ( New Window )
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Same but I miss Patrice even more.
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Oh, you said realistic. I thought you said stand in front of each other and continually miss.
Have to post this O&A classic. Jimmy was dead on.
“Movie stunk. Bunch a doves.” Jim Norton Changes Patrice’s Mind - ( New Window )
I so miss that Radio
show
In the DVD documentary Val Kilmer talked about how the military will show that scene to train the military.
From the link:
Legend has it that Val Kilmer took to the training so well that the shot of him laying down fire in multiple directions and reloading his weapon (without the scene cutting) has been shown at Fort Bragg as a part of training for American Green Berets. Marines training at MCRD San Diego have also been shown this firefight from "Heat" as a depiction of how to effectively retreat under fire.
Link - ( New Window )
Cant remember where i came across it but awhile back i saw a 15-20 minute "making of" feature on tactical aspects of John Wick. They use a technique (system? Not sure what you would call it tbh) called center axis relock thats apparently popular with law enforcement.
I do think people overestimate the accuracy the general person would or should have with a hand gun,
Sure but on the other hand, I once did paint ball with a bunch of colleagues when I worked at a non profit for a fairly liberal cause. You could safely assume than only 1 or 2 of the 30 of us had ever fired or touched a real gun (I was one of them). And yet, I quickly learned that hiding behind a tree or darting from one to the next didn't nearly the amount of cover or safety as the movies made it seem. Amateur hippie women in their 50's were repeatedly pelting me with Martin Riggs-like efficiency.
Hahaha winner
The Smell of Fear - ( New Window )
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I do think people overestimate the accuracy the general person would or should have with a hand gun,
Sure but on the other hand, I once did paint ball with a bunch of colleagues when I worked at a non profit for a fairly liberal cause. You could safely assume than only 1 or 2 of the 30 of us had ever fired or touched a real gun (I was one of them). And yet, I quickly learned that hiding behind a tree or darting from one to the next didn't nearly the amount of cover or safety as the movies made it seem. Amateur hippie women in their 50's were repeatedly pelting me with Martin Riggs-like efficiency.
LMAO...I have to admit I experience the same thing. People who couldn't shoot to save their lives were nailing me from 100' out
I would have been in traction carrying that 600 lb log
I remember it, just absurd.
LOL...OJ putting together the semi-tank is hilarious
I don't know, you have over 10 dudes with machineguns vs 2 guys with a pistol
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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
I remember it, just absurd.
Yes, but I will always maintain that beginning to end, Commando is one of the most entertaining movies of my life. If it's on, I switch to it and never have any regrets.
I like to think they were hitting him, they just couldn't penetrate him.
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the big shootout at the end of Commando is easily one of the most unrealistic shootout scenes in movie history. He had army of people shooting at him with automatic weapons and no one could hit the guy!
I like to think they were hitting him, they just couldn't penetrate him.
The best was when he aimed at the guy in the tower and his gun was pointed towards the door but the dude 3 stories up somehow got killed. Also what kind of Camo was that he had on...LOL. It was like a couple of strips here and there
Hank (unarmed) vs two men in bullet proof vests - ( New Window )
Short but sweet.
The Gunfighter - ( New Window )
Heat - great choice
I'm guessing the front end of Saving Private Ryan
I'm guessing the front end of Saving Private Ryan
Normandy Beach assault in Saving Private Ryan - my old man WW2 and some Nam Vets I know said this was so real they had flash backs..
I’d have to say, the final shootout in Cobra was on par with Commando. Stallone takes out an army of about 200 psychos with one machine gun.
The vast vast majority of gunfights were drunken endless wild shots in dark places. Often the guys that "won" simply had more guns or bullets and shot last.
Quick draw based duels were only a small percentage compared to the alcohol blinded brawls
We were joking about those films.
And while not realistic at all (and a crummy movie to boot), I would also put the chaotic nature of the scene from Battle: Los Angeles when the squad of Marines get ambushed as they start walking down the street as the most realistic reaction scene. How they have no clue where the shots are coming from and everyone is just yelling is pretty realistic in terms of the utter chaos of first contact with an enemy (just ignore the fact that these are aliens...replace them with humans)
First contact - ( New Window )
And while not realistic at all (and a crummy movie to boot), I would also put the chaotic nature of the scene from Battle: Los Angeles when the squad of Marines get ambushed as they start walking down the street as the most realistic reaction scene. How they have no clue where the shots are coming from and everyone is just yelling is pretty realistic in terms of the utter chaos of first contact with an enemy (just ignore the fact that these are aliens...replace them with humans) First contact - ( New Window )
By the way...I saw the North Hollywood shootout back in 1997 live on TV, and the sheer devastation that two people could cause against dozens of police officers is reminiscent of the shootout in Heat. So I wouldn't say that the shootout in Heat is totally unrealistic, especially when one side has automatic weapons while the other side does not.
North Hollywood Shootout - ( New Window )
Well...then it proves that Heat scene is realistic in a weird way.
Strangely, Cobra stands out to me bc the bad guy was genuinely scary...at least, when I first saw it at about 13 or 14.
Commando was simply the most absurd of all the Arnold vehicles of the era...which in a way is why a lot of us still think of it fondly.
And yes, we were joking about them as realistic in any way
Sudden Impact
Dirty Harry
I love that movie so damned much.
Sudden Impact
Dirty Harry
Can't comment on the realism of Dirty Harry without props to Dirty Larry...
"Do 50 bullets in your ass make your day?" - ( New Window )
Sudden Impact
Dirty Harry
I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I met Albert Popwell, the actor playing the bank robber who Clint asks if he feels lucky, several times when I was a kid. He used to live in the apartment across the hall from my aunt in NYC. He had small parts in most of the Dirty Harry movies (and a few other Eastwood movies like Coogan's Bluff). Real nice guy.
I love that movie so damned much.
The thing that people never truly appreciate when watching any kind of a movie with shootouts/firefights is just how chaotic and confusing the entire thing is. Even the most well trained special operations teams get into firefights that devolve into a lot of rounds being put down range with most becoming suppressive fire more than anything. We've gotten so enamored with the myth of our special operators being these efficient killers, but they're just as prone to confusion and chaos (just in a more violent and controlled manner than your regular infantry).
That's why the Zero Dark Thirty scene at the end and the Battle: Los Angeles scene in the beginning are pretty realistic on how confusing everything gets.
Yup, that was "Popi," as we called him back then. He was filming a movie in Australia when The Dead Pool began production. I always get a kick out of seeing him play a bad guy, thug, whatever on the big screen, because that was so unlike him in real life.
You've just described 95% of the movie Desperado.
Link - ( New Window )
hat was really well done and funny.
Cool story about Nick Offerman. My daughter and two other kids were in charge of setting up bringing in comedians, bands, lecturer's performers..etc.. For Kansas State University.
She and I are huge Parks & Rec fans and I love Offerman character. She contacts his people and he comes down there for a show. He was such a nice guy he hung out with the 3 of them for about 90 mins prior to his show singing and telling stories. The best part? For Christmas that year I got a framed Playbill of his show signed by him saying "Eat Meat".