ESPN: Barnwell Predicts Giants give Clowney Record 125M Deal

I don't think so.

thinks the Giants can trade a 6th rounder to the Bears for BBI favorite Leonard Floyd, a deal I'd be much happier with than the Clowney mega-signing.

but I don't like this

didn't realize that he gives 3 scenarios per FA, the Giants being only 1 of the 3 outcomes. It's a weirdly structured article....

I doubt he has any inside info. I like Clowney, I think he's a better all-around player than many give him credit for, but he's never proven himself to be an elite pass rusher. I wouldn't give anyone that kind of payday unless they can get to the QB.

better not.

In comment 14807991 Section331 said:

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I doubt he has any inside info. I like Clowney, I think he's a better all-around player than many give him credit for, but he's never proven himself to be an elite pass rusher. I wouldn't give anyone that kind of payday unless they can get to the QB.

Yup...Barnwell’s usually a good read, but all writers are essentially creating stories right now that match up high profile free agents with the teams that have cap space.

Brady getting $40 mil/year deals? Bridgewater getting $20 mil+/year?

Trubisky for Rosen straight up?

WTF was that?

because he's no slam dunk to be healthy enough to play week in to week out which you've pretty much got to demand to justify that kind of payout.

$25M for 3.5 sacks? God no.

Of a gamble on someone who hasn't ever hit double digits in sacks. Not durable, not always in the game, not really fulfilling his potential and we'll hand him that much? No way

Hopefully he is just throwing darts

but that would be inexcusable

I want no part of clowney at any cost

I’d change my opinion of DG and endorse his leaving.

aka "the Freak" and how he did when he went to the Eagles at age 28. He was an ok player (had 7.5 sacks twice) who broke down and got released. Clowney turns 27 this week. I don't see the arrow pointing up on this guy. Not worth the money.

and I would worry about motivation after getting a big payday. But again, this is pure speculation by Barnwell, so nothing to get worked up about.

this year if they did this.

But not at that price great.
Rather have a guy that gets more sacks
If I had to pay that, pay yannick
Younger, less wear and tear, arrow pointing up
But he isn’t Khalil Mack or 2015 von Miller either

In comment 14808009 Matt in SGS said:

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aka "the Freak" and how he did when he went to the Eagles at age 28. He was an ok player (had 7.5 sacks twice) who broke down and got released. Clowney turns 27 this week. I don't see the arrow pointing up on this guy. Not worth the money.

Add in how much better Kearse was to boot. This would be a colossal mistake.

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Brady getting $40 mil/year deals? Bridgewater getting $20 mil+/year? Trubisky for Rosen straight up? WTF was that?

I think Brady will command a ton. Its going to be a short deal so there's going to be no long term risk. Bridgewater won't be a bargain either - he played well in NO this year and he can be a plus game manager for someone in need of QB stability.

that I'd only be lukewarm on Clowney even if the pricetag was exactly half of that.

I hope someone gives him that deal. And I hope that someone is one of the teams in our division.

But GOD DAMN hopefully that wont be what it takes.

BBI spontaneously combusts into the internet stratosphere but that might do it

I would head to Metlife personally and throw a banana cream pie square in DG's face.

Has openly said on multiple occasions that he only wants to play for a super bowl contender. If this is true I can’t see NY being a destination for him anyway.

Build through the draft. Hasn’t 2016 taught us anything.

way. After all his bad FA signings, I doubt Gettleman tries to sign Clowney to a record deal.

In comment 14808040 BlueManCrew said:

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Has openly said on multiple occasions that he only wants to play for a super bowl contender. If this is true I can’t see NY being a destination for him anyway.

I hope this is true, save us from ourselves Jadaveon. Although...money talks.

On how many years before he is released from NYG?

He had 3 sacks last year and never had double digit sacks!

so lets create some where there isn't any...

In comment 14808058 EricJ said:

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so lets create some where there isn't any...

^This. These people have nothing to do until the combine. Remember the guy from CBS who did his 2019 redraft and had us taking Minshew at #6?

there is even any smoke here. Judge seems like a guy that would not back this type of move, and I can't see Gettleman going after a under-performer who has had notable work ethic issues.

they're going to sign Clowney to mega bucks for his paltry sack totals and let Golden and his 10.5 sacks go. Yeah, this makes sense...

I don't think the Giants are going to throw this kind of money at a player whose effort and health have always been in question, and as earlier posters have mentioned, has never hit double digits in sacks. Yes, I believe he is an impact player, but I would not sign him. I'm hoping Ngakoue shakes loose from Jacksonville, though it seems like they'll tag him.

You suck and have a history of sucking, overpaying guys like Nate Solder to suck.

So you have to pay a big premium to get anyone with talent and other options to chose to sign with you.

Which means the cap resources are poorly allocated, so you still suck, and have to overpay all over again.

has often written good articles. Nice one seems like a guess.

Mara has given every indication that they are not spending big. I really think he wants to focus on the draft as a priority and wants no more quick fixes.

Draft well, develop players, better coaching and light on FA is the way they want to go long term.

This would definitely not be the way to do it.

We need Eagle wreckers as part of our team.

That is a very high cost....but a better deal and I would be doing cartwheels getting Clowney.

he also 'predicts' the raiders or ravens signing him for those costs.

The whole premise of this article is to show 'what if' Player X signs here and the effect it has on other players and teams around the league.

It's not like this article is based on any actual rumors, so everyone can stop freaking out about the cost. It's just a guy looking at free agents and trying to see where the fits are so he can write this article.

In comment 14808066 Gman11 said:

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they're going to sign Clowney to mega bucks for his paltry sack totals and let Golden and his 10.5 sacks go. Yeah, this makes sense...

This and I predicted the Leonard Floyd trade Barnwell proposes some weeks ago. A low draft pick swap for Floyd makes sense for both the Bears and Giants, if Graham can use him situationally. It's more logical than drafting Simmons 4th overall.

Read the title. It just explores the domino effect of various scenarios where key FAs change teams. One of which is the Giants signing Clowney.

I mean, he has scenarios that have Cam Newton going to the Chargers in one scenario and the Patriots in another. Still another scenario where Bridgewater goes to the Chargers. Kind of obvious he’s not predicting all those things happen.

And, I do think Dave is desperate.

They are set on DL

In comment 14808163 The_Boss said:

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And, I do think Dave is desperate.

Agreed, this type of deal has desperate GM written all over it. Shades of 2016, we shall see.

He's never had a double digit sack total in his career. Injury has significantly cut short three of his six seasons. He isn't a 'bust' but he's definitely underperformed his Draft position and the hyped expectations he had coming in.

In comment 14807996 Giantsfan79 said:

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because he's no slam dunk to be healthy enough to play week in to week out which you've pretty much got to demand to justify that kind of payout.

that is such a stale point - he missed a lot of games early in his career. last few he has been much more durable.
PFR - ( New Window )

In comment 14808017 Payasdaddy said:

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But not at that price great. Rather have a guy that gets more sacks If I had to pay that, pay yannick Younger, less wear and tear, arrow pointing up But he isn’t Khalil Mack or 2015 von Miller either

yannick is one of the worst run defenders and has a reputation of taking a lot of plays off

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Clowney is a JPP clone in my opinion. Not a bad thing. His sack totals aren't great but his overall play is very very good.

BBI loved to rag on JPP while he was here. Now he's missed.

I wouldn't do it, but I can think of worse ways to spend the money. I still think the bigger need is the LB position but man, that DL, assuming Clowney played along the DL, that's a front 3 that would tough to deal with.

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To free up cap room, the Bears need to move on from their former first-round pick, who has $13.2 million in unguaranteed salary left on the final year of his rookie deal. A Giants team desperate for pass-rushing help sends a late-round pick to the Bears for Floyd, whose sack total has dropped each season since a seven-sack campaign in 2016.

Floyd reminds me a little bit of Kiwi. We could use some of that.

In comment 14808042 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Build through the draft. Hasn’t 2016 taught us anything.

yea, we went 1-15 because we had a bunch of good players on defense. It taught me that bad coaches can win games but eventually, the chicken comes home to roost.

I wouldn't pay clown all that loot but he's a better player than popular belief around here.

1) I don't think it will be 25/per but gtee$ will be there 6/120 (50gtee)
2) While he may not be a 15 sacks guy, he is the most complete re:run/rush/coverage
3) he would be the best all around end we've had since strahan
4) he was among the most double teamed edge rushers last year

Double team rate (x) by pass rush win rate as an edge rusher (y). (as an aside, look at the lack of respect for golden or carter)

5) with dexter, dalvin, and leonard, someone is getting home often if they double clowney.
6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times...
7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

In comment 14808034 BobsYourUncle said:

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I would head to Metlife personally and throw a banana cream pie square in DG's face.

Lol, after a knuckle sandwich

In comment 14808034 BobsYourUncle said:

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I would head to Metlife personally and throw a banana cream pie square in DG's face.

Lol, after a knuckle sandwich

In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said:

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1) I don't think it will be 25/per but gtee$ will be there 6/120 (50gtee) 2) While he may not be a 15 sacks guy, he is the most complete re:run/rush/coverage 3) he would be the best all around end we've had since strahan 4) he was among the most double teamed edge rushers last year Double team rate (x) by pass rush win rate as an edge rusher (y). (as an aside, look at the lack of respect for golden or carter) 5) with dexter, dalvin, and leonard, someone is getting home often if they double clowney. 6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times... 7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

The best value on that chart is Robert Quinn. A guy I have been plugging for a few weeks now. Get him on a two year deal coming off, quietly, a very productive year in Dallas. He's closing in on 30 so he's not going to get a huge, long term deal in the market...

BTW, I agree Clowney is a stud. But he just doesn't show it enough. So I don't think the reward is worth the risk...

In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said:

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1) I don't think it will be 25/per but gtee$ will be there 6/120 (50gtee) 2) While he may not be a 15 sacks guy, he is the most complete re:run/rush/coverage 3) he would be the best all around end we've had since strahan 4) he was among the most double teamed edge rushers last year Double team rate (x) by pass rush win rate as an edge rusher (y). (as an aside, look at the lack of respect for golden or carter) 5) with dexter, dalvin, and leonard, someone is getting home often if they double clowney. 6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times... 7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

FYI the increase from 120M to 200M is a 67% increase, not 80%. But who's counting...

In comment 14808175 micky said:

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They are set on DL

I don’t particularly wont clowney unless he’s cheap which he won’t be. That being said this the worst take of the this whole thread.

In comment 14808239 BlueLou'sBack said:

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6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times...

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FYI the increase from 120M to 200M is a 67% increase, not 80%. But who's counting...

don't let your facts interfere with my opinions!

mid season last year. That we could take a look at him first hand with our defense.

Did he run out of picks?

Clowney and feel he is overrated. He can be very disruptive but rarely does he do it...

Big pass..

overpay for a pass rusher that gets hurt often, since we have done that before and he is worried about his job.

Nothing like self preservation if true.

It’s no accident his name is Clown-ey. He’s a head case. DG would never give him a deal like that. Be the worst deal he ever made and probably end his own career.

I could see them spending big money on Ngakoue (sp?) though and he would be worth it IMO.

In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said:

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7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

When you give out a $25m contract and let go of a $10m dollar player you are a big loser in the compensatory pick formula.

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In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said: Quote: 7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG When you give out a $25m contract and let go of a $10m dollar player you are a big loser in the compensatory pick formula.

Fair enough. You’re right - though I still think he’s worth that premium to golden.

Clowney in big blue baby!

Shitting on the idea. Clowney would improve our pathetic defense immensely but god forbid we have to pay him top dollar to come aboard.

of money, Clowney would need to be one of the best DE's in the league. Not an inconsistent underperformer.

People are shitting on the idea because of that. He's never had double digit sacks and had 3.5 this year. And he's played alongside JJ Watt for the majority of his career

... the interconnected nature of various personnel moves.

Obviously, he’s not predicting anything; he’s just examining possible domino effects from hypothetical transactions. Fun stuff for a quiet week.

Did anyone actually read?

I don’t think it means what they think it means.

In comment 14808175 micky said:

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They are set on DL

If you are satisfied with our sack totals. I'm not. We need a terror out there and there is only one on the DL with a contract. And even if we resign Golden, STILL not enough pressure on the QB.

Heard a rumor the Skins might be willing to trade down with someone who wants a QB. If that happens I would grab up Chase Young to pair with Golden. Then pick up a LT in the second and sign a solid but not pro bowler LT in FA.

In comment 14808427 mdc1 said:

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overpay for a pass rusher that gets hurt often, since we have done that before and he is worried about his job. Nothing like self preservation if true.

And he's never had more than 9.5 sacks in his career.