ESPN: Barnwell Predicts Giants give Clowney Record 125M Deal

In comment 14808042 JoeyBigBlue said:

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Build through the draft. Hasn’t 2016 taught us anything.

yea, we went 1-15 because we had a bunch of good players on defense. It taught me that bad coaches can win games but eventually, the chicken comes home to roost.

I wouldn't pay clown all that loot but he's a better player than popular belief around here.

1) I don't think it will be 25/per but gtee$ will be there 6/120 (50gtee)
2) While he may not be a 15 sacks guy, he is the most complete re:run/rush/coverage
3) he would be the best all around end we've had since strahan
4) he was among the most double teamed edge rushers last year

Double team rate (x) by pass rush win rate as an edge rusher (y). (as an aside, look at the lack of respect for golden or carter)

5) with dexter, dalvin, and leonard, someone is getting home often if they double clowney.
6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times...
7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

In comment 14808034 BobsYourUncle said:

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I would head to Metlife personally and throw a banana cream pie square in DG's face.

Lol, after a knuckle sandwich

In comment 14808034 BobsYourUncle said:

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I would head to Metlife personally and throw a banana cream pie square in DG's face.

Lol, after a knuckle sandwich

In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said:

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1) I don't think it will be 25/per but gtee$ will be there 6/120 (50gtee) 2) While he may not be a 15 sacks guy, he is the most complete re:run/rush/coverage 3) he would be the best all around end we've had since strahan 4) he was among the most double teamed edge rushers last year Double team rate (x) by pass rush win rate as an edge rusher (y). (as an aside, look at the lack of respect for golden or carter) 5) with dexter, dalvin, and leonard, someone is getting home often if they double clowney. 6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times... 7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

The best value on that chart is Robert Quinn. A guy I have been plugging for a few weeks now. Get him on a two year deal coming off, quietly, a very productive year in Dallas. He's closing in on 30 so he's not going to get a huge, long term deal in the market...

BTW, I agree Clowney is a stud. But he just doesn't show it enough. So I don't think the reward is worth the risk...

In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said:

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1) I don't think it will be 25/per but gtee$ will be there 6/120 (50gtee) 2) While he may not be a 15 sacks guy, he is the most complete re:run/rush/coverage 3) he would be the best all around end we've had since strahan 4) he was among the most double teamed edge rushers last year Double team rate (x) by pass rush win rate as an edge rusher (y). (as an aside, look at the lack of respect for golden or carter) 5) with dexter, dalvin, and leonard, someone is getting home often if they double clowney. 6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times... 7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

FYI the increase from 120M to 200M is a 67% increase, not 80%. But who's counting...

In comment 14808175 micky said:

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They are set on DL

I don’t particularly wont clowney unless he’s cheap which he won’t be. That being said this the worst take of the this whole thread.

In comment 14808239 BlueLou'sBack said:

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6) folks need to recalibrate pay scales. the cap is $200mm - it was 120mm in 2011. generally means players should be up 80% from those years. So that would have been 12mm per then, which is not crazy. I think folks haven't recalibrated non QB pay scales to the current times...

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FYI the increase from 120M to 200M is a 67% increase, not 80%. But who's counting...

don't let your facts interfere with my opinions!

mid season last year. That we could take a look at him first hand with our defense.

Did he run out of picks?

Clowney and feel he is overrated. He can be very disruptive but rarely does he do it...

Big pass..

overpay for a pass rusher that gets hurt often, since we have done that before and he is worried about his job.

Nothing like self preservation if true.

It’s no accident his name is Clown-ey. He’s a head case. DG would never give him a deal like that. Be the worst deal he ever made and probably end his own career.

I could see them spending big money on Ngakoue (sp?) though and he would be worth it IMO.

In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said:

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7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG

When you give out a $25m contract and let go of a $10m dollar player you are a big loser in the compensatory pick formula.

In comment 14808532 Prude said:

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In comment 14808218 V.I.G. said: Quote: 7) if you tell me he will cost $10mm more than Golden (who I liked) and we will also get a compensatory for golden, I DO THAT ALL DAY LONG When you give out a $25m contract and let go of a $10m dollar player you are a big loser in the compensatory pick formula.

Fair enough. You’re right - though I still think he’s worth that premium to golden.

Clowney in big blue baby!

Shitting on the idea. Clowney would improve our pathetic defense immensely but god forbid we have to pay him top dollar to come aboard.

of money, Clowney would need to be one of the best DE's in the league. Not an inconsistent underperformer.

People are shitting on the idea because of that. He's never had double digit sacks and had 3.5 this year. And he's played alongside JJ Watt for the majority of his career

... the interconnected nature of various personnel moves.

Obviously, he’s not predicting anything; he’s just examining possible domino effects from hypothetical transactions. Fun stuff for a quiet week.

Did anyone actually read?

I don’t think it means what they think it means.

In comment 14808175 micky said:

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They are set on DL

If you are satisfied with our sack totals. I'm not. We need a terror out there and there is only one on the DL with a contract. And even if we resign Golden, STILL not enough pressure on the QB.

Heard a rumor the Skins might be willing to trade down with someone who wants a QB. If that happens I would grab up Chase Young to pair with Golden. Then pick up a LT in the second and sign a solid but not pro bowler LT in FA.

In comment 14808427 mdc1 said:

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overpay for a pass rusher that gets hurt often, since we have done that before and he is worried about his job. Nothing like self preservation if true.

And he's never had more than 9.5 sacks in his career.