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NFT: Rangers - Igor Shesterkin

ShockNRoll : 2/10/2020 12:15 pm
Can this guy just be named the starter and we figure out where to go from there with the other 2? Last night he put on yet another dazzling performance, where the only goal he allowed it looked like he slipped going side to side. I say let him start the majority of the games going forward, it's a win win, either they ride him to a potential playoff spot, or he has a few rough patches in a season that playoffs would've only been a bonus anyway. In a season that has already featured watching Fox, Chytil, Lindgren, DeAngelo take huge steps in their development, Igor has added another fun element to watching the Rangers this year, even though it does seem like they will come up short in the playoff race.
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Rangers also have rights to GK at UMass  
ColHowPepper : 2/10/2020 2:17 pm : link
Lowell who looks to be very talented...2016 draft...he'll be in the mix, hopefully post expansion draft, and he may figure in how JD and JG are trying to play this. Big body type https://goriverhawks.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/tyler-wall/5466
RE: Rangers also have rights to GK at UMass  
pjcas18 : 2/10/2020 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14808232 ColHowPepper said:
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Lowell who looks to be very talented...2016 draft...he'll be in the mix, hopefully post expansion draft, and he may figure in how JD and JG are trying to play this. Big body type https://goriverhawks.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/tyler-wall/5466


unlikely post expansion draft since Wall is a FA if he doesn't sign anywhere by 8/15 (he's a Sr/4 years post draft).

Rangers probably should trade his rights. If I'm a goalie in a system who has two 23 year old goalies at the NHL level, I'm testing free agency.

RE: RE: Rangers also have rights to GK at UMass  
Anakim : 2/10/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14808238 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14808232 ColHowPepper said:


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Lowell who looks to be very talented...2016 draft...he'll be in the mix, hopefully post expansion draft, and he may figure in how JD and JG are trying to play this. Big body type https://goriverhawks.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/tyler-wall/5466



unlikely post expansion draft since Wall is a FA if he doesn't sign anywhere by 8/15 (he's a Sr/4 years post draft).

Rangers probably should trade his rights. If I'm a goalie in a system who has two 23 year old goalies at the NHL level, I'm testing free agency.



So happy we took a no-named Goalie in 2018 over guys like Akil Thomas, Jack Drury, et al.
RE: RE: Rangers also have rights to GK at UMass  
ColHowPepper : 2/10/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14808238 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14808232 ColHowPepper said:
Quote: unlikely post expansion draft since Wall is a FA if he doesn't sign anywhere by 8/15 (he's a Sr/4 years post draft).

Rangers probably should trade his rights. If I'm a goalie in a system who has two 23 year old goalies at the NHL level, I'm testing free agency.
Unless developmentally they like him more than Georgiev, keep Igor and Wall and, if they can't make a deal they like for Georgiev, expose him. Good point re expiration of NYR rights
RE: RE: RE: Rangers also have rights to GK at UMass  
pjcas18 : 2/10/2020 2:41 pm : link
In comment 14808245 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 14808232 ColHowPepper said:
Quote: unlikely post expansion draft since Wall is a FA if he doesn't sign anywhere by 8/15 (he's a Sr/4 years post draft).

Rangers probably should trade his rights. If I'm a goalie in a system who has two 23 year old goalies at the NHL level, I'm testing free agency.


Unless developmentally they like him more than Georgiev, keep Igor and Wall and, if they can't make a deal they like for Georgiev, expose him. Good point re expiration of NYR rights


Definitely possible, but it would have to happen pre-expansion draft since Wall either needs to sign with the Rangers by 8/15 or they lose his rights and he becomes a UFA. This year 8/15 - 2020. Expansion draft is June of 2021.

Keep Georgie  
Vanzetti : 2/10/2020 3:42 pm : link
And buy Hank out over the summer

Fairly obvious solution if you ask me
RE: Keep Georgie  
Drewcon40 : 2/10/2020 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14808322 Vanzetti said:
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And buy Hank out over the summer

Fairly obvious solution if you ask me


I would try to avoid a buyout if possible.
The Rangers have dead buyout cap hits through 2022-23

Girardi's contract is on the books for 1.1 for until 2023
Shattenkirk's buyout - 6.08 million next year and then 1.4 for the following 2 years.

I used capfriendly,

If I am reading correctly, Shattenkirk + Lundqvist buy outs, alone, would mean almost 12 million of buyout money next year.


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buying out Shattenkirk was such a stupid move  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2020 4:22 pm : link
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RE: buying out Shattenkirk was such a stupid move  
Anakim : 2/10/2020 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14808358 Greg from LI said:
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Yep. And we all knew it at the time. It was a stupid, short-signed move. He's played really well for Tampa Bay. And Pionk has played really well for Winnipeg.
Can they  
PaulN : 2/10/2020 4:53 pm : link
Send Hank to the minors, if they can I would do that, he is no longer a top two goalie on the team, he needs to understand that.
RE: Can they  
pjcas18 : 2/10/2020 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14808377 PaulN said:
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Send Hank to the minors, if they can I would do that, he is no longer a top two goalie on the team, he needs to understand that.


not without his approval, he has a NMC.
PaulN  
Drewcon40 : 2/10/2020 4:57 pm : link
He and Marc Staal have a no-movement clause prevents an assignment to the minors without the players' consent. That includes waivers.
Hank  
FearTheHippo : 2/10/2020 5:03 pm : link
I said this before the season began and it's still true; sit Hank in the pressbox.

Aside from a final curtain call, the next time he should see the garden ice is during the retirement ceremony for his jersey.
RE: PaulN  
Anakim : 2/10/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14808382 Drewcon40 said:
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He and Marc Staal have a no-movement clause prevents an assignment to the minors without the players' consent. That includes waivers.



Right. NTC means you can't trade him. NMC means you can't trade him AND you can't bury him in the minors.
Sather  
PaulN : 2/10/2020 5:23 pm : link
Still striking, man he made some horrible moves, and Gorton has also this past year, I have a gut feeling that JD moves Gorton out this off season, I don't think Gorton is bad, but JD may want his own guy.
The Kid is the real deal  
Manning10 : 2/10/2020 6:48 pm : link
If only they had a couple Tough Physical defensemen on this team.
Tony D  
Jay in Toronto : 2/11/2020 8:58 pm : link
Knocked a Jet into him. He was flexing his leg but he took a shoulder to the head and hit the back of his head on the ice going down.

Player but then was taken out for concussions protocol. Not a surprise.

Wish him best.
At this rate  
Anakim : 2/11/2020 9:06 pm : link
I wonder if the Avalanche may be so desperate as to dangle Bowen Byram for Chris Kreider
Need back to start  
Jay in Toronto : 2/11/2020 9:11 pm : link
The 2nd :)
Shesty back  
Jay in Toronto : 2/11/2020 9:13 pm : link
Fox made a beautiful stick breakup on a 3 on 1 last period.

Shades of Harry Howell
If Kreider's going,  
Mad Mike : 2/11/2020 9:23 pm : link
he's going with a bang. Damm he's hot.
Heís a hugely important part of this team.  
yatqb : 2/11/2020 9:28 pm : link
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KId is really the goods  
Anakim : 2/11/2020 9:35 pm : link
He has elite movement skills back there
Kreider 2  
Jay in Toronto : 2/11/2020 9:48 pm : link
Jets 0

King 1 save
Igor 24 saves
Igor  
Jay in Toronto : 2/11/2020 10:56 pm : link
42 saves and the one goal not at all his fault.

Amazing.

Great effort, Kreifs, Buchy, Fox, Strom, Lindgren and the whole team, really.
Igor is  
Phil in LA : 2/11/2020 11:22 pm : link
The goods.
Insane stat  
Anakim : 2/11/2020 11:42 pm : link
Stephen Valiquette
@VallysView
The truest measure of an NHL goalie is how they stop the shots that they see. Igor Shesterkin has allowed only 1 goal on 106 Clear Sighted Shots.
Rarely does a player hyped as much as Shesterkin exceed expectations  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2020 7:44 am : link
But that's exactly what he is doing
Another insanely impressive performance  
ShockNRoll : 2/12/2020 8:03 am : link
Igor is the first goalie in NHL history to post 40 saves in 3 of his first 7 games, and they were all wins! I'm running out of things to say about this guy already. It's just unbelievable watching the way he tracks the puck, how quick he moves to cut off shooting angles, and what a treat it is to watch him move the puck.

Man it's getting hard to imagine this team without Kreider. He is an absolute difference maker, and the type of player that they are not going to replace with a pick in the 20's of the draft. The Kreider of the past 2 months is finally the player they drafted. Maybe I'm caught up in how he's played lately, but extend him!
Shestyorkin + Kreider  
ColHowPepper : 2/12/2020 11:12 am : link
Igor is putting up these numbers, these %%, having gotten banged around pretty good the last two games, last night (thanks, Tony, in addition to your carelessness in your own end you're pile driving opponents in to your keeper) and against the Kings he got roughed and scruffed in the head and shoulder by a LAK.

He does look wasted coming off the ice at the end of games. Keep this kid healthy, so much fun to watch.

Kreider: I said on this morning's thread that the chemistry right now between and among Zib and Kreider, and Buch as well, is just so, so good. If you trade Kreider, you immediately take Zib a notch or two down: yeah, they're not a playoff team, but the dynamic between them is not just this season, I don't believe.

Which leads me to a question: Has a lightbulb gone off in Kreider's head? Did he suddenly shift into FA contract mode? Is it that he's never played, at length, before with a guy with the creativity and (his own) speed like Zib? All of the above?
Buying out guys with only one year left  
MetsAreBack : 2/12/2020 12:08 pm : link
Isnít a big deal. Itís obviously not optimal but itís not a killer like buying out guys with 2-3 years left given the long tail of dead
money. Lundqvist and Staal could both get bought out this offseason if they let Kreider go at the deadline and donít re-up him in July. Just means we donít buy shiny yet again this summer which we shouldnít do regardless. This team isnít competing for a cup next year.

If they do retain Kreider ..,, something has to give though. I would miss CK but chances are his next deal doesnít look so great towards the end of it. Tough call. Can we bring in Wayne Simmonds cheaper/shorter? Is there anything left there?

Exciting times - id love to pick up another top talent in this years draft but its looking like we are going to likely end up picking in that 10-12 range.
CHP  
MetsAreBack : 2/12/2020 12:10 pm : link
Kreider has been a hot/cold player for years. I just think his next deal will be tough to absorb and takes him well into his 30s. I would pass but itís a tough call especially given his solid playoff history here
Thoughts NYR  
JPinstripes : 2/12/2020 12:26 pm : link
Igor Shesterkin has officially arrived New York Ranger fans!

6-1
2.18 GAA
9.41 Save %

All Hail the Czar! #NYR

As for Kreider, I say NYR has to sell high and I think they can get a very good prospect plus a 1st for CK.

One of the players I suspect the Rangers will like in the draft is winger Dylan Holloway from Wisconsin, coached by Granato. The kid has wheels, size, hockey sense, can score and full of swag. I think he goes anywhere between 8-13 in the draft, although it's still early in the process.


RE: Thoughts NYR  
BrettNYG10 : 2/12/2020 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14809725 JPinstripes said:
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Igor Shesterkin has officially arrived New York Ranger fans!

6-1
2.18 GAA
9.41 Save %

All Hail the Czar! #NYR

As for Kreider, I say NYR has to sell high and I think they can get a very good prospect plus a 1st for CK.

One of the players I suspect the Rangers will like in the draft is winger Dylan Holloway from Wisconsin, coached by Granato. The kid has wheels, size, hockey sense, can score and full of swag. I think he goes anywhere between 8-13 in the draft, although it's still early in the process.



How are the Rangers going to trade up from 31 to get him?
Igor  
pjcas18 : 2/12/2020 12:46 pm : link
must have been in those practice sessions and told Lindy Ruff how to coach the D.

because Trouba and Skjei look so much better with Shesterkin in net.

They've given up more than 3 goals 3 times in 2020.
MAB  
ColHowPepper : 2/12/2020 12:51 pm : link
agreed re Kreider hot and cold, been a cold witness to that for years, and I've grumbled about it, not playing to his talent. Will be interesting to see how JD handles this, deep insight to their assessments this year and beyond
RE: Igor  
ColHowPepper : 2/12/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14809745 pjcas18 said:
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must have been in those practice sessions and told Lindy Ruff how to coach the D.
because Trouba and Skjei look so much better with Shesterkin in net.
They've given up more than 3 goals 3 times in 2020.
pj, I mentioned a couple of times last week and before, I think a lot of the improved play of back line has to do with the switch of pairings, moving Trouba alongside Lindberg, d'Angelo with Staal, Fox and Skjei, much better blending of their styles of play. Shesty does't hurt (:

I think there is  
JPinstripes : 2/12/2020 12:55 pm : link
something to be said about having a goalie that can handle the puck as well as Igor can and what it means for positioning to the D-Men and Defense all around.
RE: RE: Igor  
pjcas18 : 2/12/2020 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14809758 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 14809745 pjcas18 said:


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must have been in those practice sessions and told Lindy Ruff how to coach the D.
because Trouba and Skjei look so much better with Shesterkin in net.
They've given up more than 3 goals 3 times in 2020.

pj, I mentioned a couple of times last week and before, I think a lot of the improved play of back line has to do with the switch of pairings, moving Trouba alongside Lindberg, d'Angelo with Staal, Fox and Skjei, much better blending of their styles of play. Shesty does't hurt (:



who did trouba play with last night? I don't follow as much as you guys, but I saw Trouba was back with Skjei after the initial change.

it's not that I don't believe adjusting partners can make a difference, of course it can. players all have different strengths and styles, my main point was just a jab at the "Lindy Ruff must go" crowd. I just always felt like most of us (me included) really doesn't know exactly what the role of the assistant coach for the D does. So he was being scapegoated. I have no love for Lindy Ruff, and I wouldn't hire him as a HC, just not sure he was to blame for the defensive woes.
RE: I think there is  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14809759 JPinstripes said:
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something to be said about having a goalie that can handle the puck as well as Igor can and what it means for positioning to the D-Men and Defense all around.


I think you're right. If you're not confident in your goalie's ability to handle the puck and clear the zone, you won't be as aggressive at the blue line to break up possessions before they start. Opposing forwards, I imagine, are less likely to just dump the puck in with Shesterkin in net because he can easily get it back out. Lundqvist has never been able to do that very well, so the defensemen in front of him don't play that way.

Honestly, this goes back a ways. I can remember when Talbot and Raanta were standing out as Lundqvist's backups, and people would note that they seemed to get better defensive play in front of them than he ever did. Seems like a pattern to me.
Igor Rocks!  
Dave : 2/12/2020 1:54 pm : link
but he gave everyone a lil scare last night, no?
RE: At this rate  
pjcas18 : 2/12/2020 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14809266 Anakim said:
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I wonder if the Avalanche may be so desperate as to dangle Bowen Byram for Chris Kreider


Kadri's injury could make them consider it.

They have some good young D.

Alex Newhook would be a good target too for a F.
RE: RE: At this rate  
Anakim : 2/12/2020 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14809845 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14809266 Anakim said:


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I wonder if the Avalanche may be so desperate as to dangle Bowen Byram for Chris Kreider



Kadri's injury could make them consider it.

They have some good young D.

Alex Newhook would be a good target too for a F.


Byram would be a huge get. He was the third best prospect in the 2019 Draft behind Kakko and Hughes. Doubt the Avalanche go for it, but they are desperate...
One thing I like about Shesterkin's joining the team is the timing.  
Ira : 2/12/2020 3:03 pm : link
The Ranger's are a team with a lot of young talent. Add a very good young goalie and they have a bright future.
Shesterkin living up to the hype  
Davisian : 2/12/2020 3:42 pm : link
Whats more surprising to me is how quickly Lindgren and Fox have become top pair defensemen. Whether they're playing with each other or not.

Fox is incredible.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/12/2020 4:23 pm : link
Not sold on Lindgren yet.
RE: Fox is incredible.  
Davisian : 2/12/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14809915 BrettNYG10 said:
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Not sold on Lindgren yet.


Mostly because you don't play any defense yourself...
^^^  
Anakim : 2/12/2020 5:04 pm : link
I don't like the man, but he has a point
Defense is a stupid position anyway.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/12/2020 5:14 pm : link
You literally have a goalie.

Tanner Glass>>>>Nick Lidstrom
RE: Defense is a stupid position anyway.  
Anakim : 2/12/2020 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14809940 BrettNYG10 said:
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You literally have a goalie.

Tanner Glass>>>>Nick Lidstrom


+/- still matters to me, dammit
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