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NFT: MLB discussing MAJOR changes to playoff format

DanMetroMan : 2/10/2020 4:58 pm
Imagine a team picking its playoff opponent. Think about Brian Cashman and the Yankees deciding whether to face the Red Sox or avoid them in the first round of the postseason. All on live TV.

Well, it is probably coming soon to the major leagues.

MLB is seriously weighing a move from five to seven playoff teams in each league beginning in 2022, The Post has learned.

In this concept, the team with the best record in each league would receive a bye to avoid the wild-card round and go directly to the Division Series. The two other division winners and the wild card with the next best record would each host all three games in a best-of-three wild-card round. So the bottom three wild cards would have no first-round home games.
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They..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/10/2020 5:02 pm : link
should stop trying to fix things that aren't broken.

Maybe make the Wild card a best of 3 series and the rest best of 7, but going crazy rarely works well.

Sports should take a cautionary look at what has happened with NASCAR
Yep  
Greg from LI : 2/10/2020 5:04 pm : link
Don't come up with solutions to problems that don't exist.
leave baseball alone  
mpinmaine : 2/10/2020 5:07 pm : link
leave the NFL alone as well,,,Good lord
What is the point of playing 162 games  
Oscar : 2/10/2020 5:10 pm : link
If you are going to put half the league in the postseason anyway? This is a flaw in hockey and basketball as well, but at least they only have 82 games (both of those leagues should go with shorter seasons as well).

Why play almost every day for six months if youíre just gonna scrap it all and have a big tournament at the end?
lol  
DanMetroMan : 2/10/2020 5:17 pm : link

Tim Britton
@TimBritton
Under this system, the 2014 Mets would have been a playoff team -- with a 79-83 record. Last year's Mets, of course, also would have made it.
I have a few other good ideas:  
Mr. Bungle : 2/10/2020 5:44 pm : link
* If a home team is losing by 1 run going into the bottom of the 9th, they can choose to give the other team an additional run in exchange for guaranteeing a 10th inning to the game.

* A batter with 2 strikes can tell the home plate umpire that he wants his at-bat to go to 4 strikes, but if that batter ends up retired, it counts as 2 outs.

* With 2 outs in an inning, a defense can turn a double play, if the opportunity is available. If they successfully turn it, the second out would carry over to the next inning.

DO IT, MLB!!!
I agree, if it ain't broke  
section125 : 2/10/2020 5:47 pm : link
don't fix it. The season is too damn long anyway. If they want to do anything, go back to 154 games and then tweak the playoffs so the WS is not being played in November and play starts in April.
Money grab...  
Torrag : 2/10/2020 5:48 pm : link
a game with a strong tradition that resists change has a new commissioner that's a fucking idiot. Here we go.
Man what an awful idea.  
WalterSobchak : 2/10/2020 6:21 pm : link
Hope it does not get implemented. I have always thought wild card round should be best of 3 instead of 1 and done. Other then that just leave it be. We dont need below .500 teams in the playoffs constantly
Instead of extra innings  
TJ : 2/10/2020 6:27 pm : link
tied wild card games will be decided by a home run derby.
After all, they've gotten all the money out of fans that they can for that game so why mess up the tv schedule and pay to keep the stadium lights on any longer than they have to?
Its all about  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/10/2020 6:42 pm : link
more playoff game revenues. Dumb.
I guess I am in minority  
bhill410 : 2/10/2020 7:03 pm : link
But love it.
Manfred seems to be quickly ascending the  
jlukes : 2/10/2020 7:26 pm : link
Most Hated Commissioner rankings
I didn't read the link..  
BillKo : 2/10/2020 7:34 pm : link
...but Evan on WFAN said the top tier teams would get to PICK who they want to play.

In other words, MLB wants to have a Sunday show where, for example, the Yanks would get to pick their opponent.

Stupid.
RE: They..  
RDJR : 2/10/2020 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14808387 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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should stop trying to fix things that aren't broken.

Maybe make the Wild card a best of 3 series and the rest best of 7, but going crazy rarely works well.

Sports should take a cautionary look at what has happened with NASCAR


Not following your analogy to NASCAR. NASCARís downward spiral started before they started the ďchaseĒ, now the playoffs. The ďchaseĒ was an attempt to stop the bleeding when the bubble burst in the early 2000s. NASCARís problems occurred because of too much growth, too fast. The proliferation of 1.5 mile tracks and the Great Recession. MLB adding playoff teams has no comparison to NASCARís rise and demise. That said Iíll be there with 100,000 fans on Sunday at Daytona.
Being a traditionalist  
dune69 : 2/10/2020 7:47 pm : link
please don't f*ck with the game (except robo umps ;)
I hate both ideas  
Matt M. : 2/10/2020 8:00 pm : link
and don't see a problem with the current playoff structure. 7 playoff teams is too many. I especially don't like the division winners playing in the WC round, unless all teams are seeded by overall record. That is the benefit of playing a 162 game season.
A few key things about this plan  
81_Great_Dane : 2/10/2020 8:29 pm : link
1) Seven teams make the playoffs in each league
2) The team with most wins in each league gets first-round bye.
3) First round is a single three-game series played in one city. Win the series and advance. If you've got the better record, you're home. Worse record, gotta win a series on the road.
4) Team with second-most wins picks their first-round opponent. (I assume the team with the third-most wins also picks their opponent from the remaining 3.)

So you'd have three 3-game series in the first round in each league. That's the "Wild Card" round.

The idea of choosing your opponent and having a 3-game series in a single city are a big shift away from everything we're used to in sports playoffs. I have to admit that I don't hate it as much as I hate the DH or having wild cards with an unbalanced schedule.

MLB has long since traded away the joys of a pennant race for having a lot of teams in the playoffs. This would be jarring but we'd get used to it pretty fast. And baseball is smart to at least be thinking outside the box, instead of always leaning into "tradition."
The only changes I wanna see are  
Dankbeerman : 2/10/2020 8:48 pm : link
Divison series going to best of 7 and Wild card turned into a best of 3 with games 1 and 2 played as a double header. Have high seed pick if they want the double header at home or host game 3.
RE: The only changes I wanna see are  
Tuckoff09 : 2/10/2020 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14808523 Dankbeerman said:
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Divison series going to best of 7 and Wild card turned into a best of 3 with games 1 and 2 played as a double header. Have high seed pick if they want the double header at home or host game 3.


Agree 100% with this. I've never understood how Basketball and Hockey can have 7 game series in the first round and they play half the amount of regular season games MLB does. Division series needs to be 7 games. I think I would also be in favor of the 3 game wild card round with the team with the better record getting all 3 home games. Definitely don't want more playoff teams, 5 from both league is enough.
RE: I have a few other good ideas:  
DonQuixote : 2/11/2020 12:08 am : link
In comment 14808415 Mr. Bungle said:
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* If a home team is losing by 1 run going into the bottom of the 9th, they can choose to give the other team an additional run in exchange for guaranteeing a 10th inning to the game.

* A batter with 2 strikes can tell the home plate umpire that he wants his at-bat to go to 4 strikes, but if that batter ends up retired, it counts as 2 outs.

* With 2 outs in an inning, a defense can turn a double play, if the opportunity is available. If they successfully turn it, the second out would carry over to the next inning.

DO IT, MLB!!!


Maybe base runners should wear clown suits.
Trevor Bauer chimes in...  
BigBlueShock : 2/11/2020 6:38 am : link
Lulz....
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RE: Trevor Bauer chimes in...  
dune69 : 2/11/2020 6:43 am : link
In comment 14808595 BigBlueShock said:
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Lulz.... Link - ( New Window )


Trevor never leaves doubt about his view on things. I'm in Bauer's corner this time.
I like aspects of the proposed changes  
JPinstripes : 2/11/2020 6:55 am : link
More teams in the playoffs are needed since "pennant races" rarely exist anymore - make MLB postseason a tournament - "Cup Run" type playoffs.

Change the dumb one and done wild card game to a 3 game series.

Give the 2 teams in each league a first-round bye and make each series post WC best of 7.

Shorten the regular season by 10-15 games and start the playoffs in mid-September.

More teams invited to the dance and less chance of tanking...

Change is needed.

Clown show.  
section125 : 2/11/2020 7:16 am : link
Total clown show as proposed.

However, this might also be a sounding board for MLB. Throw some shit out there and see what responses they get.

But they would need to shorten the regular season. This crap of playing baseball in football weather is awful. Baseball is a warm weather game. Season needs to run from April to mid-September and playoffs over before Halloween.

Also, the way this plays out leads to needing a balanced schedule. Just go back to one standings in each league, no divisions. Top team with the bye, next six then seeded two through seven and paired 2/7, 3/6. 4/5. Reseed rest of the way to LCS.
absolutely moronic.  
Victor in CT : 2/11/2020 7:27 am : link
the format is fine. It rightly puts a premium on winning the division. If you lose the 1 game WC, tough shit, win the division. Choosing your opponent? Really?? What is this a fucking bar league?
Trevor Bauer  
Carson53 : 2/11/2020 8:01 am : link
is right in this case, what a fucking joke.
You don't need more wild card teams in a sport like baseball, hey Manfred, this is not the NFL!
And there you have it...  
Carson53 : 2/11/2020 8:08 am : link
MLB is also hoping that more playoff openings drives greater fan interest. In 2019, attendance was down for a seventh straight year. Many factors have led to the dip, but clearly one is so many teams surrendering playoff objectives before or during seasons. MLB wants to have as many regular-season games matter as possible...

nypost.com/2020/02/10/mlb-plotting-playoff-expansion-with-reality-tv-twist/
With respect, I think a lot of you are missing the point  
Tony in Tampa : 2/11/2020 8:10 am : link
I hate these changes too. But I'm willing to bet most of the replies on this thread are from fans (like me) 35 and older. MLB doesn't give a shit what we think.

While the core of the fan base is older it's not generating the revenue that a younger audience would and that's what Manfred and the owners care about. If the game was growing with the current demographics they would not be trying all these silly changes. But MLB wants a younger market to merchandise to and sell their product on more digital platforms and they think these gimmicks will do that. Yes traditional fans will be pissed off initially, but they are willing to bet that we are not so angry that we will stop watching all together. They have us.

MLB is getting marginalized by football. As was recently said on ESPN's PTI, in this country the NFL is #1, College football #2 and then there is a wide gap to everyone else. Manfred is swinging for the fences now instead waiting to trying and fix a worsening product when the corpse is getting cold.
Tony in Tampa, I get your point about young people, but  
Victor in CT : 2/11/2020 8:23 am : link
that's a self-inflicted wound caused by all the marquis games running past midnight on school nights for decades, labor problems ruining seasons and cancelling the WS in 1994, scandals like steroids, ceding weekend sports to the NFL in SEP and OCT. This will not change that. Labor peace is the only thing that's been a positive change.
Predictable  
GiantEgo : 2/11/2020 9:49 am : link
Is there anything in American life that isn't becoming a game show or disintegrating entirely?
The NBA should take a long  
Metnut : 2/11/2020 9:57 am : link
look at the NBA's cratering TV ratings and realize what the risk of a meaningless regular season is. If baseball wants to keep people interested for 162 games, then they can't throw a meaningless regular season where any decent team makes the playoffs.
RE: The NBA should take a long  
Victor in CT : 2/11/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 14808707 Metnut said:
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look at the NBA's cratering TV ratings and realize what the risk of a meaningless regular season is. If baseball wants to keep people interested for 162 games, then they can't throw a meaningless regular season where any decent team makes the playoffs.


Exactly. The current format makes winning the division important, keeping the 162 important.
I'm a little confused by some of the logic...  
BillKo : 2/11/2020 11:14 am : link
..in saying more teams in the playoffs makes for a meaningless regular season in regards to viewership.

Doesn't more teams actually give you more incentive to watch, as your team can actually make the playoffs- even if it's not having a high degree of success? That you would otherwise discard realizing the playoffs are a long shot.

I think NBA and MLB ratings are down due to the nature of the sports. The NBA to me seems to be all three pointers and dunks, while MLB is painfully slow and long.

Until of course you reach the actual playoffs.

I see the reasoning  
sshin05 : 2/11/2020 11:29 am : link
with more teams in the playoffs which would discourage tanking. I'm not against rapid playoffs games in a span of a few days, but choosing your teams? I'm not sure about that. These are just ideas and MLB attendance has been in a decline for 7 years, they are trying to change things up.
Attendance is in decline  
MetsAreBack : 2/12/2020 6:57 am : link
And young people donít watch because the cost to attend a game and not sit in nosebleeds can easily reach 4 figures (meanwhile players complain about colllusion if they donít get $25 mil a year)..., and even worse, a 9 inning playoff game often takes 4 hours and 30 minutes.

Fix the issues at the root of the problem.

These other ideas are just lipstick - and I would think causes less interest in the regular season since lots of teams previously in pennant chases would now easily be in the postseason under new rules.
Four figures to take your family of four...  
MetsAreBack : 2/12/2020 7:00 am : link
I should clarify.

And watching a 3.5 hour game on a Tuesday night and getting home at 11:30 to go to work then next day ? No thanks.

Teams should be playing a maximum of 5 games a week. Two games Monday-Thursday and 3 games over weekend
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