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MJD, is it me or does he just have it in for Jones?

Jim in Forest Hills : 2/11/2020 10:17 am
I remember him venting for Haskins saying the Giants made a mistake and now this 'analysis'. He says that Murray was solid and Jones "flashed", but everyone flashes. I know Im a homer but methinks he's got some sort of negative agenda towards the Giants.
MJD on Daniel Jones - ( New Window )
I'm not going to lose sleep over what Maurice  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/11/2020 10:27 am : link
Jones Drew thinks about Daniel Jones. Or anything for that matter.
Jim...  
Drewcon40 : 2/11/2020 10:28 am : link
...it is my opinion that the media (especially Francesca) had a bug up their arses when the Giants went against the experts with Jones at 6. I can't explain it - maybe it is "my team is being picked on" syndrome but I felt like the media was almost resentful because the Giants did not follow the script. It also seemed that way, to a lesser degree, with the Joe Judge hire.
I ignore former players opinions about positions outside their own.  
guitarguybs12 : 2/11/2020 10:29 am : link
He's not a QB that played and knows the position, or a team executive, coach, or scout who has experience evaluating the position.

It's just babbling nonsense IMO.

RE: Jim...  
Victor in CT : 2/11/2020 10:39 am : link
In comment 14808759 Drewcon40 said:
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...it is my opinion that the media (especially Francesca) had a bug up their arses when the Giants went against the experts with Jones at 6. I can't explain it - maybe it is "my team is being picked on" syndrome but I felt like the media was almost resentful because the Giants did not follow the script. It also seemed that way, to a lesser degree, with the Joe Judge hire.


BINGO!! the modern "journalist' thinks HE is the story, the GM , the Coach. and if the team doesn't do what HE thinks, the teamis wrong, stupid, clueless.
Either MJD has said something about Jones elsewhere  
jcn56 : 2/11/2020 10:44 am : link
that I haven't heard, or you guys are overly sensitive.

His comments here are perfectly valid - he's got a subpar set of receivers, an OL that stinks, and he's going to have to learn a new system this year. He said it's going to be tough for him to find consistency because of these factors.

Does anyone believe any of that to be wrong?
I think it's just the way the people that run the stations  
Rudy5757 : 2/11/2020 10:52 am : link
train these guys to operate. If there are 2 people in the discussion, one always takes a positive and one a negative. Thats just a better storyline especially when discussing guys that are still unproven. I heard a set on the radio, I cant remember the person but he said they always had to prepare a positive and a negative argument because he never knew which side he had to be on but they could rarely have the same point of view because it was boring narrative.

Right now Jones' career path is still up in the air so they can have that positive / negative argument. Its the same when they talk about Lamar Jackson and Mahomes. You always have to have a side.
I think Gettleman has rub people the wrong way and  
George from PA : 2/11/2020 10:52 am : link
The obvious racial issue with Haskin vs Jones.....that was way overblown.

Do not sleep over it.

Jones will sink or swin....still early but I hopeful.
RE: I think Gettleman has rub people the wrong way and  
KDavies : 2/11/2020 10:58 am : link
In comment 14808800 George from PA said:
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The obvious racial issue with Haskin vs Jones.....that was way overblown.

Do not sleep over it.

Jones will sink or swin....still early but I hopeful.


The obvious racial issue with Haskins and Jones? Not at all obvious, other than them being of a different race. It is some bizarre conspiracy theory with no basis in fact put forth by racists like Stephen A. Smith.

In reality, the sports media is vapid. If you don't do what they think you should, you are wrong, or racist, or incompetent. There is no accountability if the media is wrong. They don't own up to anything and just rant on to their newest baseless opinion on another topic
Not for nothing,  
section125 : 2/11/2020 10:58 am : link
but what exactly did Kyler Murray do that was sooooo good?

Until Jones stops fumbling, he will be rated lower.
RE: I'm not going to lose sleep over what Maurice  
Klaatu : 2/11/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14808755 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Jones Drew thinks about Daniel Jones. Or anything for that matter.


When you've lost Maurice Jones-Drew, you've lost Middle America!
Ahhh, that bastard can go suck a plum  
Waldo Jeffers : 2/11/2020 12:09 pm : link
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RE: Either MJD has said something about Jones elsewhere  
UConn4523 : 2/11/2020 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14808786 jcn56 said:
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that I haven't heard, or you guys are overly sensitive.

His comments here are perfectly valid - he's got a subpar set of receivers, an OL that stinks, and he's going to have to learn a new system this year. He said it's going to be tough for him to find consistency because of these factors.

Does anyone believe any of that to be wrong?


Agreed, donít see what the issue is.
It's MJD.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/11/2020 12:15 pm : link
Not like what he says actually means anything.
Sports commentary..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2020 12:36 pm : link
is at a crossroads. Publications are dying out. Sports radio has consolidated. So you are left with analysts that have to get attention to promote themselves, often at the expense of integrity in their points of view.

Even putting aside guys like Skip Bayless whose entire schtick is to give the most outrageous take, you now have most talking heads going that route. They need to generate discussion, Re-Tweets, clicks or breaking posts to compete.

I don't find MJD's comments to be inflammatory - they just seem to be made without any real analysis or premise to base them on. It is like the recent Re-draft CBS did. It's basically some knucklehead spitballing shit. And it generates discussion.
MJD has actually been pretty great at this stuff  
bhill410 : 2/11/2020 12:45 pm : link
over the years. During his playing days I used to listen to his show regarding fantasy. Guy seemed incredibly knowledgable and into the X's and O's rather than just the typical nonsense you hear.
the Giants ahve always been a lightning rod NFL franchise  
djm : 2/11/2020 1:36 pm : link
things are scrutinized just a little bit more and negatively with the Giants. Kind of like Dallas, to an extent, but Dallas talent is typically overrated a bit, unlike the Giants talent, over the years. And before anyone blasts me with the usual refrain that this team sucks for 8 years now, this shit went on in the 80s and 2000s.

If Jones played for the JAguars and had this EXACT same season, and the Jags have a better team of players than the Giants, he'd be getting a lot more love from the national media. I don't give a shit what anyone says to the contrary.
call me crazy  
djm : 2/11/2020 1:39 pm : link
But I don't trust some of these takes. Sorry, but there's clear cut agendas behind them. And the source of these same tired takes, that go out of their way to fine tooth comb every detail of DJ's rookie campaign, usually comes from the same type of person. I'll leave it at that. Use your imagination.
RE: the Giants ahve always been a lightning rod NFL franchise  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2020 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14808955 djm said:
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things are scrutinized just a little bit more and negatively with the Giants. Kind of like Dallas, to an extent, but Dallas talent is typically overrated a bit, unlike the Giants talent, over the years. And before anyone blasts me with the usual refrain that this team sucks for 8 years now, this shit went on in the 80s and 2000s.

If Jones played for the JAguars and had this EXACT same season, and the Jags have a better team of players than the Giants, he'd be getting a lot more love from the national media. I don't give a shit what anyone says to the contrary.


Just look at the love for Minshew!!
RE: call me crazy  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/11/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14808958 djm said:
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But I don't trust some of these takes. Sorry, but there's clear cut agendas behind them. And the source of these same tired takes, that go out of their way to fine tooth comb every detail of DJ's rookie campaign, usually comes from the same type of person. I'll leave it at that. Use your imagination.


Yep. Very obvious. I look forward to Jones making those guys look even more foolish than they already make themselves look on a weekly basis.
On BBI  
HomerJones45 : 2/11/2020 1:43 pm : link
RE: Sports commentary..  
jcn56 : 2/11/2020 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14808906 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is at a crossroads. Publications are dying out. Sports radio has consolidated. So you are left with analysts that have to get attention to promote themselves, often at the expense of integrity in their points of view.

Even putting aside guys like Skip Bayless whose entire schtick is to give the most outrageous take, you now have most talking heads going that route. They need to generate discussion, Re-Tweets, clicks or breaking posts to compete.

I don't find MJD's comments to be inflammatory - they just seem to be made without any real analysis or premise to base them on. It is like the recent Re-draft CBS did. It's basically some knucklehead spitballing shit. And it generates discussion.


I don't think MJD's comments were absent any analysis, it just wasn't very deep. He offered up Alex Smith as an example of a guy who had too much change impact him negatively (granted that was 6 systems in 6 years, which MJD also points out). His comments about the roster weren't wrong either.

He didn't take a shot at Jones over his mechanics, or his turnovers, or anything else that would constitute a deeper dive into his ability. It's a basic talk show format that jumps from one high level topic to the next, they're not going to or supposed to get to that level.

This belief that the Giants are much maligned by the media is really off balance. When they were winning, you weren't reading stories like this. It's easy for people to be critical when you stink.
A lot of these people are going to dig their heels in because  
Brown Recluse : 2/11/2020 2:16 pm : link
they ridiculed the Jones pick so hard during the offseason.

Jones wasn't good enough to warrant the 6th pick. Certainly wasn't as good as Haskins. And so the Giants only picked Jones over Haskins because he's white.

Imagine being one of these idiots and having to save face over a bullshit take like this.
Minshew had a better record than Jones  
Greg from LI : 2/11/2020 2:28 pm : link
And his numbers were at least not worse than Jones', and were arguably better. I fail to see why it's so ridiculous to say that Minshew was the better QB last season.
A lot of these guys are going to hate on Jones  
Giants in 07 : 2/11/2020 2:36 pm : link
as he progresses through his career.

All of the videos of them saying how horrible of a pick he was are forever. He already made so many people look like they have no clue what they are talking about and really pulled the veil up over how prospects are talked about by "the talking heads"

Todd McShay said he wouldn't draft him in the first two days of the draft. Called him a "massive reach"

He'll be actively rooted against for his whole career.
RE: A lot of these guys are going to hate on Jones  
Victor in CT : 2/11/2020 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14809008 Giants in 07 said:
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as he progresses through his career.

All of the videos of them saying how horrible of a pick he was are forever. He already made so many people look like they have no clue what they are talking about and really pulled the veil up over how prospects are talked about by "the talking heads"

Todd McShay said he wouldn't draft him in the first two days of the draft. Called him a "massive reach"

He'll be actively rooted against for his whole career.


good post
RE: Minshew had a better record than Jones  
Giants in 07 : 2/11/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14808999 Greg from LI said:
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And his numbers were at least not worse than Jones', and were arguably better. I fail to see why it's so ridiculous to say that Minshew was the better QB last season.


You should go and take a look at Jacksonville's defensive stats in the first half of the year vs the second half of the year. Look at Minshew's record once the defense stopped carrying that team. His offense put up more than 20 points once in the last 8 games of the season against juggernaut defenses like the Bucs, Falcons, Chargers and Raiders..

Minshew was winning 13-12 games while Jones had to put up 30 just to have a chance of winning.

Who would you rather have?
These assholes thrive  
giants_10_88 : 2/11/2020 2:48 pm : link
on attention. Taking shots at a team in the biggest market does that. Don't give these guys an ounce of attention.
Minshew..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2020 2:54 pm : link
grows a mean moustache and sprouts stubble immediately. Jones looks like a 12 year old boy!

Minshew Mania - Catch it!!
RE: Jim...  
joeinpa : 2/11/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14808759 Drewcon40 said:
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...it is my opinion that the media (especially Francesca) had a bug up their arses when the Giants went against the experts with Jones at 6. I can't explain it - maybe it is "my team is being picked on" syndrome but I felt like the media was almost resentful because the Giants did not follow the script. It also seemed that way, to a lesser degree, with the Joe Judge hire.


Exactly. ď We told you this guy was not a top 10 ten pick, Giants just donít get it. ď

The fact that Jones shows every indication of being the correct pick is an embarrassment to them. They have a choice, discredit his performance, or admit that the Giants were right. They re too shallow and insecure to do that
It's probably all in my head..  
Jim in Forest Hills : 2/11/2020 3:09 pm : link
I know McShay took a stand on Jones and is reluctant to move.

I just feel like with MJD, its anti Giants? I don't know, Giants have been terrible so maybe he's just calling it like it is. As a Giants fan though, I think Jones has shown enough to be more than a flash. Not to mention the other announcers were all surprised at his reaction. Might be blue colored glasses.
RE: It's probably all in my head..  
jcn56 : 2/11/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14809046 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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I know McShay took a stand on Jones and is reluctant to move.

I just feel like with MJD, its anti Giants? I don't know, Giants have been terrible so maybe he's just calling it like it is. As a Giants fan though, I think Jones has shown enough to be more than a flash. Not to mention the other announcers were all surprised at his reaction. Might be blue colored glasses.


Can you provide a quote from the linked video that gives you this impression?
Minshew also..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/11/2020 3:13 pm : link
had more wins than Murray, a better YPA, more TD's and less INT's than Murray.

And Murray was the Offensive Rookie of the Year and I don't see anyone continuing to knock his going #1 overall.
RE: It's probably all in my head..  
Giants in 07 : 2/11/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14809046 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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I know McShay took a stand on Jones and is reluctant to move.

I just feel like with MJD, its anti Giants? I don't know, Giants have been terrible so maybe he's just calling it like it is. As a Giants fan though, I think Jones has shown enough to be more than a flash. Not to mention the other announcers were all surprised at his reaction. Might be blue colored glasses.


Probably because he constantly speaks in platitudes that don't mean anything.

In this video his two examples of not being sure about DJ is that he'll be in a new system, which certainly isn't a unique thing to happen, and that he doesn't have anybody to throw the ball too which is a very bizarre thing to say. Sure you can make the case that Shepard and Engram are injury prone and we may not have the best depth behind them, but on the face it's a ridiculous thing to say that he has no weapons

He doesn't know the roster and has no idea whether DJ will have trouble with a new playbook. All he has left are his narratives.
Aside from the fumbles I was thrilled with Jones last year.  
Default : 2/11/2020 3:30 pm : link
But why are so many people so defensive, or even paranoid about what members of the media have to say?
The concern should be focused at the front office putting together a team that can win more than 5 games.
lol  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/11/2020 3:34 pm : link
when I saw "MJD" I was like, "that can't mean Maurice Jones Drew. There's no way anyone cares or is even aware of what he thinks of Daniel Jones."

So much for that.
MJD is a lying  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 2/11/2020 4:41 pm : link
dog faced pony soldier.

It's so obvious!
MJD is part of the sports media now  
LBH15 : 2/11/2020 4:46 pm : link
which is akin to saying he is a NY Giant hater per BBI.
RE: I think Gettleman has rub people the wrong way and  
VinegarPeppers : 2/11/2020 5:46 pm : link
So Gettleman took the white guy so it's racist?

This is such a damn microcosm of the nation today it makes me sick. Jones played a ton more games over multiple seasons with a lot less talent around him than Haskins did IN ONE SEASON with plenty around him.

But race is put up there as the reason. C'mon man!


In comment 14808800 George from PA said:
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The obvious racial issue with Haskin vs Jones.....that was way overblown.

Do not sleep over it.

Jones will sink or swin....still early but I hopeful.
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