but I'm sure it was the typical #1 market, mecca of basketball refrain that we always hear while posting 25-30 win seasons. I hope there's some substance behind these hires, and not just style points due to better branding and a coach familiar to the fan base.
Anyone see his interview on first take today? This guy is clearly now one of the top people in the Knicks organization. Worrisome to put it kindly.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
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1h
Lengthy appearance today on
@FirstTake
from the Knicks' new rebranding consultant Steve Stoute. He called himself a "branding guru" and a "marketing guru" and is a well-known entertainment figure in NBA circles ... but the Knicks first and foremost need a TEAM-BUILDING guru
"Toronto Raptors, they brought in Drake, right? They brought in Drake to bring that thing," Steve Stoute told
@FirstTake
. "The New York Knicks brought in me."
but I'm sure it was the typical #1 market, mecca of basketball refrain that we always hear while posting 25-30 win seasons. I hope there's some substance behind these hires, and not just style points due to better branding and a coach familiar to the fan base.
He basically said they need to sell the players on winning cukture and new york is a place they can come to and do that..
Hiring the best management and coaches possible..
Named Rj and Mitch as the two young pieces to keep
Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
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1h
Lengthy appearance today on
@FirstTake
from the Knicks' new rebranding consultant Steve Stoute. He called himself a "branding guru" and a "marketing guru" and is a well-known entertainment figure in NBA circles ... but the Knicks first and foremost need a TEAM-BUILDING guru
Named Rj and Mitch as the two young pieces to keep
That's encouraging. I don't want any delusions about the futures of Frank, Knox, DSJ, Dotson or Trier - they're just warm bodies occupying roster spots right now.
keep calling YOURSELF a guru, and compare yourself to Drake... to worry about people claiming he fired Mills. Sorry, he came off poorly for a guy who supposedly does this for a living.
keep calling YOURSELF a guru, and compare yourself to Drake... to worry about people claiming he fired Mills. Sorry, he came off poorly for a guy who supposedly does this for a living.
That's fair - marketing guys shouldn't be doing First Take anyway, but the Knicks drive that show once football season ends.
keep calling YOURSELF a guru, and compare yourself to Drake... to worry about people claiming he fired Mills. Sorry, he came off poorly for a guy who supposedly does this for a living.
Actually stephen a called him a guru and he said he wasnt a guru
class essentially firing Miller in an interview. Usually you don't do that to an interim coach. Go check twitter, Knicks fans across the board are saying he came off very poorly and I agree.
class essentially firing Miller in an interview. Usually you don't do that to an interim coach. Go check twitter, Knicks fans across the board are saying he came off very poorly and I agree.
Because people are viewing him like he is the personnel guy..
He is their for branding and marketing, so of course that is what hr is going to talk about
Anyone see his interview on first take today? This guy is clearly now one of the top people in the Knicks organization. Worrisome to put it kindly.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
class essentially firing Miller in an interview. Usually you don't do that to an interim coach. Go check twitter, Knicks fans across the board are saying he came off very poorly and I agree.
Because people are viewing him like he is the personnel guy..
He is their for branding and marketing, so of course that is what hr is going to talk about
Because he portrayed himself as such. He said he'd have a loud voice in the room.
"“And they got some young players — you see RJ Barrett, Mitch Robinson. They got something to work with. And getting a coach in there and ultimately getting a coach and a coaching staff that’s going to help develop a team. That’s what I expect to happen so that we can actually get to what you expect from a New York team.”
Anyone see his interview on first take today? This guy is clearly now one of the top people in the Knicks organization. Worrisome to put it kindly.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
oh is he? You're basing this on what?
because he is very good at whag he does and that is branding and marketing..
he worked with the nets with their branding...
very big in the music business and has a lot of connections..
class essentially firing Miller in an interview. Usually you don't do that to an interim coach. Go check twitter, Knicks fans across the board are saying he came off very poorly and I agree.
Because people are viewing him like he is the personnel guy..
He is their for branding and marketing, so of course that is what hr is going to talk about
Because he portrayed himself as such. He said he'd have a loud voice in the room.
"“And they got some young players — you see RJ Barrett, Mitch Robinson. They got something to work with. And getting a coach in there and ultimately getting a coach and a coaching staff that’s going to help develop a team. That’s what I expect to happen so that we can actually get to what you expect from a New York team.”
no he didnt, he even said that they are going to have a president to run the team and make those decisions...
People can downplay it all they want but reports and Stoute himself said he is heavily involved in advising Dolan. Does any other NBA team operate like this? For for a “marketing guru” he sure came across poorly in this interview.
It’s clear they are going for big free agents or bust. Which is pretty unbelievable given what happened over the summer. But my guess would be we are in for another cycle of hyping up the class of 2021 to “save the Knicks” and “ come to the Mecca”.
He also pretty much fired Mike Miller on Tv too. Bush league move for a guy who’s done a solid job.
Said he wants to be known for getting people jobs, specifically “African-Americans and women.” Might be tipping his hand about Becky Hammon, too. That’s a slam dunk from a branding standpoint - in addition to her impressive resume.
deemed him too expensive and he his "marketing" had nothing to do with the Nets turnaround (he was with the Nets briefly twice when they moved to BK, well before the Durant stuff).
Anyone see his interview on first take today? This guy is clearly now one of the top people in the Knicks organization. Worrisome to put it kindly.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
oh is he? You're basing this on what?
because he is very good at whag he does and that is branding and marketing..
he worked with the nets with their branding...
very big in the music business and has a lot of connections..
People can downplay it all they want but reports and Stoute himself said he is heavily involved in advising Dolan. Does any other NBA team operate like this? For for a “marketing guru” he sure came across poorly in this interview.
It’s clear they are going for big free agents or bust. Which is pretty unbelievable given what happened over the summer. But my guess would be we are in for another cycle of hyping up the class of 2021 to “save the Knicks” and “ come to the Mecca”.
He also pretty much fired Mike Miller on Tv too. Bush league move for a guy who’s done a solid job.
People can downplay it all they want but reports and Stoute himself said he is heavily involved in advising Dolan. Does any other NBA team operate like this? For for a “marketing guru” he sure came across poorly in this interview.
It’s clear they are going for big free agents or bust. Which is pretty unbelievable given what happened over the summer. But my guess would be we are in for another cycle of hyping up the class of 2021 to “save the Knicks” and “ come to the Mecca”.
He also pretty much fired Mike Miller on Tv too. Bush league move for a guy who’s done a solid job.
what's ironic is that the Knicks, despite all of their problems, don't need this guy. Even though they're in the lottery every year and have had all kinds of bad PR, they're still a cash machine.
I get it that this clown is going to try and change the perception of the team held by certain current players, but unless he's a hypnotist it's not going to happen overnight. Only way that changes is if they start winning and/or Dolan fades into the background.
Why are the interviewing the Knicks marketing guy? Who gives a shit.
If the Knicks hire JVG and get rid of Miller (who I think has done a good job).. I'll probably bow out of Knicks threads and just keep my pissing and moaning to my TV and dog.
the knicms should have the best coach and the best coaches for developing young players, that means they are firing Miller..
Sorry if i am being a complete homer but i dont see why everyone is freaking out over this interview, he is not the president of the team..
Come on you can’t be serious. We haven’t heard from Knicks management since the Sunday night impromptu press conference. Head coach fired, president fired, big trade and still nothing in the press from management. And this is the first guy we hear from? He’s clearly playing an important role. And to me having Nas’ former manager and music marketing guru be heavily involved with basketball ops is concerning.
And doing that to Miller is complete bullshit and shows you how poorly this team is run.
The sad thing is the Knicks don’t need help with the business or entertainment aspect. They do that really well- anyone who’s been to a game can attest to that. Their problem is the on court product and I’m still waiting for them to hire a competent leader to turn that around.
the knicms should have the best coach and the best coaches for developing young players, that means they are firing Miller..
Sorry if i am being a complete homer but i dont see why everyone is freaking out over this interview, he is not the president of the team..
Come on you can’t be serious. We haven’t heard from Knicks management since the Sunday night impromptu press conference. Head coach fired, president fired, big trade and still nothing in the press from management. And this is the first guy we hear from? He’s clearly playing an important role. And to me having Nas’ former manager and music marketing guru be heavily involved with basketball ops is concerning.
And doing that to Miller is complete bullshit and shows you how poorly this team is run.
The sad thing is the Knicks don’t need help with the business or entertainment aspect. They do that really well- anyone who’s been to a game can attest to that. Their problem is the on court product and I’m still waiting for them to hire a competent leader to turn that around.
He is not apart of basketball ops, leon rose is going to be president of basletball ops..
Does he have a big voice yes, but he is on the marketing side, that is what he does, he helps players off the court, that is what he said..
the reason basketball even came up is because he said that creating a winner is first and foremost..
and the whole need a big voice for a coach came from stephen a preaching about mark jackson, steve stoute just said when you dont habe the star as a fave usually the coach is the face of the franchise...
and do you really want to hear from dolan on the firing of mills?
the benefit of the doubt. Granted, they've been much worse for far longer, but the symptoms are the same - a fatigued fanbase that looks upon any move skeptically.
We don't know who's running what there, and whether it's good or not. It's too soon. I'll just maintain hope that it's actually Rose in charge, and the reason you're hearing from this guy is because Rose isn't contractually in place yet.
RE: RE: i am tired of defending the knicks in these threads Â
Sure is. If Toronto drafted Mitchell Robinson he might be an All-Star by now, or at least on the fast track to being one. Has Mitch developed his offensive game at all in two years? A baby hook, a jumper, anything? Seems like the same exact player he was when he got here, like everyone else. Hopefully Dolan allows a proper housecleaning, but I'm not holding my breath.
what's ironic is that the Knicks, despite all of their problems, don't need this guy. Even though they're in the lottery every year and have had all kinds of bad PR, they're still a cash machine.
I don't think he's there for Knicks PR as much as he is for Dolan's.
President: Leon Rose
GM: Malik Rose
Coach: John Calipari
C: Robinson, Tristan Thompson
PF: Randle, Wooten
SF: Bertans, Knox
SG: Barrett, Dotson
PG: Payton, Cole Anthony
That's not the worst thing, though far from the best thing. But as NYK fans its sort of what we all imagine when we close our eyes and imagine the next disappointing season.
nygiants16 I know you're sitting there, hitting f5 every second on this thread. Don't leave. You can't quit us. You know you have that itch, that burning desire to post something positive.
I'll serve up the volleyball to you. "Frank Ntilikina isn't any good because....
RE: The Knicks are like the Giants - they haven't earned Â
the benefit of the doubt. Granted, they've been much worse for far longer, but the symptoms are the same - a fatigued fanbase that looks upon any move skeptically.
We don't know who's running what there, and whether it's good or not. It's too soon. I'll just maintain hope that it's actually Rose in charge, and the reason you're hearing from this guy is because Rose isn't contractually in place yet.
Gee, I must have been away when the Knicks had their 2 parades down Broadway in 2008 and 2012.
the whole NY as Mecca thing is over. The only thing NY is is the Â
Mecca of Taxes and a rapidly deteriorating quality of life. Cable and internet streaming makes it irrelevant. You can play anywhere and be nationally/globally famous and win. And get endorsements.
Mecca of Taxes and a rapidly deteriorating quality of life. Cable and internet streaming makes it irrelevant. You can play anywhere and be nationally/globally famous and win. And get endorsements.
Yeah, that's a great hot take. That must be why so many of the wealthy keep fleeing the city and real estate keeps dropping in price. Maybe you should call the folks at Hudson Yards and give 'em a heads-up.
Notice Durant and Irving signed recently, and the taxes weren't a problem for them. Dolan on the other hand...
RE: the whole NY as Mecca thing is over. The only thing NY is is the Â
Mecca of Taxes and a rapidly deteriorating quality of life. Cable and internet streaming makes it irrelevant. You can play anywhere and be nationally/globally famous and win. And get endorsements.
The best part about this hot take is that literally 95% of NBA stars try and force their way to big markets so clearly they disagree with you.
RE: RE: the whole NY as Mecca thing is over. The only thing NY is is the Â
Mecca of Taxes and a rapidly deteriorating quality of life. Cable and internet streaming makes it irrelevant. You can play anywhere and be nationally/globally famous and win. And get endorsements.
Yeah, that's a great hot take. That must be why so many of the wealthy keep fleeing the city and real estate keeps dropping in price. Maybe you should call the folks at Hudson Yards and give 'em a heads-up.
Notice Durant and Irving signed recently, and the taxes weren't a problem for them. Dolan on the other hand...
I don't know where you live, but perhaps you should be better informed. High end real estate is floundering in NYC. I read it every day in the local trade sites. I don't live in NYC but I work downtown near World Trade. I'm seeing things I haven't seen since the first half of the Dinkins administration. Vagrants, panhandlers, aggressive thugs in the subway. And stuff your "hot take" comment. It's reality. I live it everyday. I left work one night and 3 vagrants were brawling over their "rights" to panhandle in front of the building. People with the means are leaving. Dolan is certainly a boob, but he's not the only problem. Subways are now routinely being delayed by "soiled cars" and "unruly passengers". Public urination is common place. So stuff your "hot take" straight up your ass. You have no clue what the fuck you are talking about.
I live in NYC, I work in Manhattan, and I own real estate here Â
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When management changes happen, everyone assumes the new GM/president is going to hire a new coach. Still, it's unfair to Mike Miller - who has been nothing but professional in tough circumstances - that it was essentially confirmed by NYK on TV today:
Ian Begley
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When management changes happen, everyone assumes the new GM/president is going to hire a new coach. Still, it's unfair to Mike Miller - who has been nothing but professional in tough circumstances - that it was essentially confirmed by NYK on TV today:
nah, this is totally normal! Other teams have "branding gurus" appear on national TV and comment on personnel and coaches all the time!
Ian Begley
@IanBegley
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When management changes happen, everyone assumes the new GM/president is going to hire a new coach. Still, it's unfair to Mike Miller - who has been nothing but professional in tough circumstances - that it was essentially confirmed by NYK on TV today:
nah, this is totally normal! Other teams have "branding gurus" appear on national TV and comment on personnel and coaches all the time!
That’s what really kills me. Knicks hit rock bottom and finally fire Steve Mills. Normal owner and team would re-evaluate everything and clean house while searching for the most qualified and best GM possible. The Knicks hire a player agent and marketing guru to revamp things and now preach about getting big time free agents.
Same old shit.
And the Knicks are still then most valuable team I the NBA Â
Have to give Dolan credit for one thing, he keeps spending even though the value of the team keeps growing despite horrible basketball. Link - ( New Window )
so, basically, this Steve Stoudt character is going to be... Â
just sent out a statement saying he doesn't speak on behalf of personnel decisions. Am I dreaming or is this all really happening? It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic that the guy they hired to improve their perception just got them a whole bunch of negative publicity today.
just sent out a statement saying he doesn't speak on behalf of personnel decisions. Am I dreaming or is this all really happening? It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic that the guy they hired to improve their perception just got them a whole bunch of negative publicity today.
just sent out a statement saying he doesn't speak on behalf of personnel decisions. Am I dreaming or is this all really happening? It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic that the guy they hired to improve their perception just got them a whole bunch of negative publicity today.
Good grief. What’s this guy going to deliver for the Knicks? The one thing they still don’t have a problem with is filling the Garden and getting celebrities to come to games.
Winning basketball games, however, proves elusive
I don't understand how Calipari would improve the Knicks. Â
He's a flashy name, but Knicks fans aren't going to be impressed by that. He has a poor record as an NBA coach. I guess he preaches defense, which is good, but he's not actually a, you know, good NBA coach. Or does that not matter because somebody thinks college hoops fans will flock to MSG to see a Calipari coached team... win 35 games?
RE: I don't understand how Calipari would improve the Knicks. Â
He's a flashy name, but Knicks fans aren't going to be impressed by that. He has a poor record as an NBA coach. I guess he preaches defense, which is good, but he's not actually a, you know, good NBA coach. Or does that not matter because somebody thinks college hoops fans will flock to MSG to see a Calipari coached team... win 35 games?
He would likely end up on the long list of high profile big name coaches that have failed as a Knick coach.
Other than it's not flashy, for the life of me I don't know why they wouldn't give Miller at least one full season while they continue to improve the roster. Then by the time they actually get a more complete roster with a legitimate chance at competing at a higher level they will also have had time to properly assess what they have in Miller. He has done a better job with less than most of the "names" they brought in, in the past.
He has earned the chance of at least having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system and see what happens. They aren't going to be a championship team next season anyway and if it becomes apparent Miller isn't a long term answer ten you can bring another coach and they also had another year to upgrade the roster in the meanwhile. But if by chance Miller can take the team to the next level why not find out?
to give Mike Miller a two-year deal and evaluate things year by year. He’s done a solid job, the team will lose 50 games next year regardless of coach, and he’s a cheap alternative to the big name guys (and they’re still paying Fiz NOT to coach). Plus, JVG, Mark Jackson and Thibs will all be available a year or two from now because only Frank Isola thinks they’re no-brainer candidates.
He has earned the chance of at least having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system and see what happens. They aren't going to be a championship team next season anyway and if it becomes apparent Miller isn't a long term answer ten you can bring another coach and they also had another year to upgrade the roster in the meanwhile. But if by chance Miller can take the team to the next level why not find out?
Because that’s the prudent, sound and smart basketball decision. And the Knicks unfortunately don’t care about that. Hopefully Rose proves us wrong.
Truly. Nothing grows here. Ever. Show promise as a rookie? He will regress in year 2, guaranteed. The only minor exception might be Mitch Robinson who hasn’t completely fallen apart, yet.
The Knicks are weird. They make the jets look... ehh the jets are weird too.
Like Greg mentioned what’s so fascinating is with tight assed tight lipped Dolan how the hell did this clown manage to get his voice out there so early and often here?? I can’t even imagine what the fallout confrontation went down or is going down as we speak.
stuff is an abject disaster, but I'm not worried about WWW. His only added value is that he is great at tampering but he can't do that if he's an official employee of the Knicks.
Not the Knicks fault, but man oh man does Zion and Ja look like great players. Will be MVP candidates in the league. Painful to miss out on those 2 one pick away.
Hopefully things finally break the right way this draft and the Knicks get a true difference maker.
Not the Knicks fault, but man oh man does Zion and Ja look like great players. Will be MVP candidates in the league. Painful to miss out on those 2 one pick away.
Hopefully things finally break the right way this draft and the Knicks get a true difference maker.
Mills probably would have still taken RJ if we had the #2 pick....lol.
I like Calipari but he's a recruiter, which doesn't help much in the NBA.
Why would you leave that?
I'm afraid to ask what he said.
Why would you leave that?
Ego. King of NY >>>>>>>>>>>> King of Lexington.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
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1h
Lengthy appearance today on
@FirstTake
from the Knicks' new rebranding consultant Steve Stoute. He called himself a "branding guru" and a "marketing guru" and is a well-known entertainment figure in NBA circles ... but the Knicks first and foremost need a TEAM-BUILDING guru
"Toronto Raptors, they brought in Drake, right? They brought in Drake to bring that thing," Steve Stoute told
@FirstTake
. "The New York Knicks brought in me."
He basically said they need to sell the players on winning cukture and new york is a place they can come to and do that..
Hiring the best management and coaches possible..
Named Rj and Mitch as the two young pieces to keep
Why would you leave that?
He may view NYC as > KY, the NYK challenge as attractive and they can always pay him more than his current comp (8mm).
Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
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1h
Lengthy appearance today on
@FirstTake
from the Knicks' new rebranding consultant Steve Stoute. He called himself a "branding guru" and a "marketing guru" and is a well-known entertainment figure in NBA circles ... but the Knicks first and foremost need a TEAM-BUILDING guru
that was maybe a tenth of what hr talked about..
and not for nothing his expertise is marketing...
That's encouraging. I don't want any delusions about the futures of Frank, Knox, DSJ, Dotson or Trier - they're just warm bodies occupying roster spots right now.
That's fair - marketing guys shouldn't be doing First Take anyway, but the Knicks drive that show once football season ends.
Actually stephen a called him a guru and he said he wasnt a guru
Because people are viewing him like he is the personnel guy..
He is their for branding and marketing, so of course that is what hr is going to talk about
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Anyone see his interview on first take today? This guy is clearly now one of the top people in the Knicks organization. Worrisome to put it kindly.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
oh is he? You're basing this on what?
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class essentially firing Miller in an interview. Usually you don't do that to an interim coach. Go check twitter, Knicks fans across the board are saying he came off very poorly and I agree.
Because people are viewing him like he is the personnel guy..
He is their for branding and marketing, so of course that is what hr is going to talk about
Because he portrayed himself as such. He said he'd have a loud voice in the room.
"“And they got some young players — you see RJ Barrett, Mitch Robinson. They got something to work with. And getting a coach in there and ultimately getting a coach and a coaching staff that’s going to help develop a team. That’s what I expect to happen so that we can actually get to what you expect from a New York team.”
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Anyone see his interview on first take today? This guy is clearly now one of the top people in the Knicks organization. Worrisome to put it kindly.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
oh is he? You're basing this on what?
because he is very good at whag he does and that is branding and marketing..
he worked with the nets with their branding...
very big in the music business and has a lot of connections..
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class essentially firing Miller in an interview. Usually you don't do that to an interim coach. Go check twitter, Knicks fans across the board are saying he came off very poorly and I agree.
Because people are viewing him like he is the personnel guy..
He is their for branding and marketing, so of course that is what hr is going to talk about
Because he portrayed himself as such. He said he'd have a loud voice in the room.
"“And they got some young players — you see RJ Barrett, Mitch Robinson. They got something to work with. And getting a coach in there and ultimately getting a coach and a coaching staff that’s going to help develop a team. That’s what I expect to happen so that we can actually get to what you expect from a New York team.”
no he didnt, he even said that they are going to have a president to run the team and make those decisions...
It’s clear they are going for big free agents or bust. Which is pretty unbelievable given what happened over the summer. But my guess would be we are in for another cycle of hyping up the class of 2021 to “save the Knicks” and “ come to the Mecca”.
He also pretty much fired Mike Miller on Tv too. Bush league move for a guy who’s done a solid job.
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Anyone see his interview on first take today? This guy is clearly now one of the top people in the Knicks organization. Worrisome to put it kindly.
i posted in the other thread but it seems like him and rose are going to be equal, him on the marketing abd branding and rose on the basketbball side...
he is very good guy to havr in your organization..
oh is he? You're basing this on what?
because he is very good at whag he does and that is branding and marketing..
he worked with the nets with their branding...
very big in the music business and has a lot of connections..
you never learn...
It’s clear they are going for big free agents or bust. Which is pretty unbelievable given what happened over the summer. But my guess would be we are in for another cycle of hyping up the class of 2021 to “save the Knicks” and “ come to the Mecca”.
He also pretty much fired Mike Miller on Tv too. Bush league move for a guy who’s done a solid job.
Agree with 100% of this.
It’s clear they are going for big free agents or bust. Which is pretty unbelievable given what happened over the summer. But my guess would be we are in for another cycle of hyping up the class of 2021 to “save the Knicks” and “ come to the Mecca”.
He also pretty much fired Mike Miller on Tv too. Bush league move for a guy who’s done a solid job.
what's ironic is that the Knicks, despite all of their problems, don't need this guy. Even though they're in the lottery every year and have had all kinds of bad PR, they're still a cash machine.
I get it that this clown is going to try and change the perception of the team held by certain current players, but unless he's a hypnotist it's not going to happen overnight. Only way that changes is if they start winning and/or Dolan fades into the background.
If the Knicks hire JVG and get rid of Miller (who I think has done a good job).. I'll probably bow out of Knicks threads and just keep my pissing and moaning to my TV and dog.
Sorry if i am being a complete homer but i dont see why everyone is freaking out over this interview, he is not the president of the team..
Sorry if i am being a complete homer but i dont see why everyone is freaking out over this interview, he is not the president of the team..
Come on you can’t be serious. We haven’t heard from Knicks management since the Sunday night impromptu press conference. Head coach fired, president fired, big trade and still nothing in the press from management. And this is the first guy we hear from? He’s clearly playing an important role. And to me having Nas’ former manager and music marketing guru be heavily involved with basketball ops is concerning.
And doing that to Miller is complete bullshit and shows you how poorly this team is run.
The sad thing is the Knicks don’t need help with the business or entertainment aspect. They do that really well- anyone who’s been to a game can attest to that. Their problem is the on court product and I’m still waiting for them to hire a competent leader to turn that around.
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the knicms should have the best coach and the best coaches for developing young players, that means they are firing Miller..
Sorry if i am being a complete homer but i dont see why everyone is freaking out over this interview, he is not the president of the team..
Come on you can’t be serious. We haven’t heard from Knicks management since the Sunday night impromptu press conference. Head coach fired, president fired, big trade and still nothing in the press from management. And this is the first guy we hear from? He’s clearly playing an important role. And to me having Nas’ former manager and music marketing guru be heavily involved with basketball ops is concerning.
And doing that to Miller is complete bullshit and shows you how poorly this team is run.
The sad thing is the Knicks don’t need help with the business or entertainment aspect. They do that really well- anyone who’s been to a game can attest to that. Their problem is the on court product and I’m still waiting for them to hire a competent leader to turn that around.
He is not apart of basketball ops, leon rose is going to be president of basletball ops..
Does he have a big voice yes, but he is on the marketing side, that is what he does, he helps players off the court, that is what he said..
the reason basketball even came up is because he said that creating a winner is first and foremost..
and the whole need a big voice for a coach came from stephen a preaching about mark jackson, steve stoute just said when you dont habe the star as a fave usually the coach is the face of the franchise...
and do you really want to hear from dolan on the firing of mills?
He never said mikr miller cant be the coach, never named other names for coach, didnt say miller was doing a bad job..
Enzo go fuck yourself
Enzo go fuck yourself
You'll be missed! How will we survive without your naive, useless, and typo-ridden takes on all things Knicks?
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i am bowing out, i am not posting in these threads anymore, i come off as a rabid homer, good luck guys hopefully one day the knicks are good again..
Enzo go fuck yourself
You'll be missed! How will we survive without your naive, useless, and typo-ridden takes on all things Knicks?
and how do we survive without your negative little bitch takes
Enzo go fuck yourself
Over/Under on the return is set at Thursday, 3PM
We don't know who's running what there, and whether it's good or not. It's too soon. I'll just maintain hope that it's actually Rose in charge, and the reason you're hearing from this guy is because Rose isn't contractually in place yet.
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i am bowing out, i am not posting in these threads anymore, i come off as a rabid homer, good luck guys hopefully one day the knicks are good again..
Enzo go fuck yourself
Over/Under on the return is set at Thursday, 3PM
Off by a day and 23 hours!!
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i am bowing out, i am not posting in these threads anymore, i come off as a rabid homer, good luck guys hopefully one day the knicks are good again..
Enzo go fuck yourself
Over/Under on the return is set at Thursday, 3PM
Off by a day and 23 hours!!
The under was likely but not even making it a full hour is a new record!
Sure is. If Toronto drafted Mitchell Robinson he might be an All-Star by now, or at least on the fast track to being one. Has Mitch developed his offensive game at all in two years? A baby hook, a jumper, anything? Seems like the same exact player he was when he got here, like everyone else. Hopefully Dolan allows a proper housecleaning, but I'm not holding my breath.
what's ironic is that the Knicks, despite all of their problems, don't need this guy. Even though they're in the lottery every year and have had all kinds of bad PR, they're still a cash machine.
I don't think he's there for Knicks PR as much as he is for Dolan's.
GM: Malik Rose
Coach: John Calipari
C: Robinson, Tristan Thompson
PF: Randle, Wooten
SF: Bertans, Knox
SG: Barrett, Dotson
PG: Payton, Cole Anthony
That's not the worst thing, though far from the best thing. But as NYK fans its sort of what we all imagine when we close our eyes and imagine the next disappointing season.
I'll serve up the volleyball to you. "Frank Ntilikina isn't any good because....
We don't know who's running what there, and whether it's good or not. It's too soon. I'll just maintain hope that it's actually Rose in charge, and the reason you're hearing from this guy is because Rose isn't contractually in place yet.
Gee, I must have been away when the Knicks had their 2 parades down Broadway in 2008 and 2012.
Our hero!
Yeah, that's a great hot take. That must be why so many of the wealthy keep fleeing the city and real estate keeps dropping in price. Maybe you should call the folks at Hudson Yards and give 'em a heads-up.
Notice Durant and Irving signed recently, and the taxes weren't a problem for them. Dolan on the other hand...
The best part about this hot take is that literally 95% of NBA stars try and force their way to big markets so clearly they disagree with you.
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Mecca of Taxes and a rapidly deteriorating quality of life. Cable and internet streaming makes it irrelevant. You can play anywhere and be nationally/globally famous and win. And get endorsements.
Yeah, that's a great hot take. That must be why so many of the wealthy keep fleeing the city and real estate keeps dropping in price. Maybe you should call the folks at Hudson Yards and give 'em a heads-up.
Notice Durant and Irving signed recently, and the taxes weren't a problem for them. Dolan on the other hand...
I don't know where you live, but perhaps you should be better informed. High end real estate is floundering in NYC. I read it every day in the local trade sites. I don't live in NYC but I work downtown near World Trade. I'm seeing things I haven't seen since the first half of the Dinkins administration. Vagrants, panhandlers, aggressive thugs in the subway. And stuff your "hot take" comment. It's reality. I live it everyday. I left work one night and 3 vagrants were brawling over their "rights" to panhandle in front of the building. People with the means are leaving. Dolan is certainly a boob, but he's not the only problem. Subways are now routinely being delayed by "soiled cars" and "unruly passengers". Public urination is common place. So stuff your "hot take" straight up your ass. You have no clue what the fuck you are talking about.
As for petty crimes and homelessness - maybe up a tick from historic lows a few years ago, but still at all-time lows compared to 10-20 years ago.
So yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about - good luck digging in though!
As for petty crimes and homelessness - maybe up a tick from historic lows a few years ago, but still at all-time lows compared to 10-20 years ago.
So yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about - good luck digging in though!
But he saw vagrants fighting on the street one night so you must be wrong!
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When management changes happen, everyone assumes the new GM/president is going to hire a new coach. Still, it's unfair to Mike Miller - who has been nothing but professional in tough circumstances - that it was essentially confirmed by NYK on TV today:
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When management changes happen, everyone assumes the new GM/president is going to hire a new coach. Still, it's unfair to Mike Miller - who has been nothing but professional in tough circumstances - that it was essentially confirmed by NYK on TV today:
nah, this is totally normal! Other teams have "branding gurus" appear on national TV and comment on personnel and coaches all the time!
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When management changes happen, everyone assumes the new GM/president is going to hire a new coach. Still, it's unfair to Mike Miller - who has been nothing but professional in tough circumstances - that it was essentially confirmed by NYK on TV today:
nah, this is totally normal! Other teams have "branding gurus" appear on national TV and comment on personnel and coaches all the time!
That’s what really kills me. Knicks hit rock bottom and finally fire Steve Mills. Normal owner and team would re-evaluate everything and clean house while searching for the most qualified and best GM possible. The Knicks hire a player agent and marketing guru to revamp things and now preach about getting big time free agents.
Same old shit.
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It'd be nice if the Knicks went one week without being a complete embarrassment
It took place during band practice.
He's not very good at his job is he?
You can’t make it up. Only the Knicks...
Good grief. What’s this guy going to deliver for the Knicks? The one thing they still don’t have a problem with is filling the Garden and getting celebrities to come to games.
Winning basketball games, however, proves elusive
He would likely end up on the long list of high profile big name coaches that have failed as a Knick coach.
Other than it's not flashy, for the life of me I don't know why they wouldn't give Miller at least one full season while they continue to improve the roster. Then by the time they actually get a more complete roster with a legitimate chance at competing at a higher level they will also have had time to properly assess what they have in Miller. He has done a better job with less than most of the "names" they brought in, in the past.
He has earned the chance of at least having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system and see what happens. They aren't going to be a championship team next season anyway and if it becomes apparent Miller isn't a long term answer ten you can bring another coach and they also had another year to upgrade the roster in the meanwhile. But if by chance Miller can take the team to the next level why not find out?
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With this sad-sack roster, that's rather good.
He has earned the chance of at least having the benefit of a training camp and preseason to install his own system and see what happens. They aren't going to be a championship team next season anyway and if it becomes apparent Miller isn't a long term answer ten you can bring another coach and they also had another year to upgrade the roster in the meanwhile. But if by chance Miller can take the team to the next level why not find out?
Because that’s the prudent, sound and smart basketball decision. And the Knicks unfortunately don’t care about that. Hopefully Rose proves us wrong.
So even if he’s the best option and you knew he’d resurrect this franchise, still no? Because he stepped down?
Not me. I want the best HC for the knicks I don’t give a fuck what he did 17 years ago.
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So even if he’s the best option and you knew he’d resurrect this franchise, still no? Because he stepped down?
Not me. I want the best HC for the knicks I don’t give a fuck what he did 17 years ago.
One of his closest friends had just died in the 9-11 attacks and he felt the need to take a step back in his life. I'll give him a pass.
Truly. Nothing grows here. Ever. Show promise as a rookie? He will regress in year 2, guaranteed. The only minor exception might be Mitch Robinson who hasn’t completely fallen apart, yet.
Like Greg mentioned what’s so fascinating is with tight assed tight lipped Dolan how the hell did this clown manage to get his voice out there so early and often here?? I can’t even imagine what the fallout confrontation went down or is going down as we speak.
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I still can’t get over the Knicks letting their newly hired “brand and marketing guru” do that abomination of an interview on live tv.
Hopefully things finally break the right way this draft and the Knicks get a true difference maker.
Hopefully things finally break the right way this draft and the Knicks get a true difference maker.
Mills probably would have still taken RJ if we had the #2 pick....lol.