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Ben McAdoo new Jaguars QB coach

CromartiesKid21 : 2/11/2020 7:53 pm
Good for him and good luck


Maybe heíll get a suit that fits  
RobCarpenter : 2/11/2020 7:55 pm : link
For when he talks about protecting the Duke
Wow  
mrvax : 2/11/2020 8:02 pm : link
Maybe he'll have more success. Very few people make good head coaches. (And even those guys get fired.)
Wow, he couldn't even get a coordinator job.  
Geomon : 2/11/2020 8:02 pm : link
He's a position coach.
I wish him well  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/11/2020 8:03 pm : link
Good luck coach.
RE: Maybe heíll get a suit that fits  
mfsd : 2/11/2020 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14809230 RobCarpenter said:
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For when he talks about protecting the Duke


I just hope the Jags QBs are talented men of integrity
He had to get a job  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/11/2020 8:08 pm : link
Once that Giants money ran out. Good luck to him.
Situation probably  
mattlawson : 2/11/2020 8:19 pm : link
Isnít too big for him
He'll get Foles to play heavy handed  
No Where Man : 2/11/2020 8:20 pm : link
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He was better than Shurmur  
j_rud : 2/11/2020 8:21 pm : link
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
Eh. Cool. Good luck, Big Mac.  
Route 9 : 2/11/2020 8:23 pm : link
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Wish you good luck Coach  
Giant John : 2/11/2020 8:23 pm : link
And congrats on the new job.
Congratulations  
AcidTest : 2/11/2020 8:27 pm : link
coach. Good luck. I'm sure you'll do well.
He is a talented man of integrity  
Reale01 : 2/11/2020 8:27 pm : link
God speed Benny.
RE: RE: Maybe heíll get a suit that fits  
Reale01 : 2/11/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14809235 mfsd said:
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For when he talks about protecting the Duke



I just hope the Jags QBs are talented men of integrity


You beat me to it.
RE: He was better than Shurmur  
RobCarpenter : 2/11/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14809242 j_rud said:
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.


Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes
RE: He was better than Shurmur  
an_idol_mind : 2/11/2020 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14809242 j_rud said:
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.


The way people retell history here, you'd think that McAdoo was the only guy in the franchise thinking about replacing Eli.

How it actually went down was that he stuck with Eli even when the losses piled on and the team disintegrated. Then when the team had no chance at the playoffs, he came up with his harebrained scheme to treat regular season games like preseason.

Both Mara and Reese had already discussed getting a look at the other quarterbacks on the roster while they eyed drafting a rookie replacement. They both messed up by signing off on McAdoo's flawed plan, but it was McAdoo's own inability to lead the team that got him fired.
RE: He was better than Shurmur  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/11/2020 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14809242 j_rud said:
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.


The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.
RE: RE: He was better than Shurmur  
an_idol_mind : 2/11/2020 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14809249 RobCarpenter said:
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.



Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes


Lots of folks were big fans of Mahomes. That's why he was a top ten pick.
Always wonder if he would have lasted  
PetesHereNow : 2/11/2020 8:43 pm : link
If he didnít morph into Gordon Gekko with the slicked back hair. Think the players saw through that act and quit on him.
RE: Wow, he couldn't even get a coordinator job.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2020 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14809232 Geomon said:
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He's a position coach.

Very few coaches who leave the Giants land on their feet. They either move upward, or get tied to stories about boats.
RE: RE: RE: He was better than Shurmur  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2020 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14809252 an_idol_mind said:
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.



Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes



Lots of folks were big fans of Mahomes. That's why he was a top ten pick.

Also, the very bare minimum number of people were big fans of Mahomes to make him a top ten pick, since he was picked #10.
RE: RE: He was better than Shurmur  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2020 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14809251 JoeyBigBlue said:
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.



The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.

McAdoo could coach circles around Shurmur. The only difference in their respective legacies is that one of them fucked up in dealing with NFL royalty, and the other had the luxury of coming after the guy who had already broken the royal veneer.
Say what you want about McAdoo,  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/11/2020 8:57 pm : link
but he wound up being right in the end.
RE: Say what you want about McAdoo,  
Hsilwek92 : 2/11/2020 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14809261 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but he wound up being right in the end.


Not really. Especially since he hasnít had a job in the NFL since he was fired.
RE: RE: Say what you want about McAdoo,  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2020 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14809264 Hsilwek92 said:
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but he wound up being right in the end.



Not really. Especially since he hasnít had a job in the NFL since he was fired.

He just stopped getting paid by Mara a few weeks ago.

He took the same paid vacation most of you numbskulls would have taken.
RE: RE: Say what you want about McAdoo,  
compton : 2/11/2020 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14809264 Hsilwek92 said:
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Not really. Especially since he hasnít had a job in the NFL since he was fired.


He was right about Eli regardless if he hasn't worked in the NFL since.
RE: Say what you want about McAdoo,  
Chris684 : 2/11/2020 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14809261 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but he wound up being right in the end.


Hahaha!

This guy actually believes what he says.

Stupidest thing Iíve seen all day.
Here comes the slurp committee, willing to ignore  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/11/2020 9:14 pm : link
the reality that has been slapping them in the face for 5 years.
Buy a suit that fits Benny  
Optimus-NY : 2/11/2020 9:20 pm : link
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Good luck to him.  
LBH15 : 2/11/2020 9:21 pm : link
He may not be HC material but he certainly did well for himself as a support coach.

And since the Giants have shown themselves well to suck with McAdoo and without, some of you should think about taking your fangs out.
RE: RE: RE: Maybe heíll get a suit that fits  
mfsd : 2/11/2020 9:55 pm : link
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For when he talks about protecting the Duke



I just hope the Jags QBs are talented men of integrity



You beat me to it.


Evolution not revolution!

And people need to stop with this idea that bc he liked Mahomes he is some kind of underappreciated genius.

He had a good first year. He came back in year 2 acting like an arrogant douche, and soon lost the fans, the media, and the locker room.

Hopefully heís been reading a lot of his self help books during his time away, so he at least has some new leadership cliches to use in Jax
RE: RE: RE: He was better than Shurmur  
FStubbs : 2/11/2020 10:07 pm : link
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.



The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.


McAdoo could coach circles around Shurmur. The only difference in their respective legacies is that one of them fucked up in dealing with NFL royalty, and the other had the luxury of coming after the guy who had already broken the royal veneer.


Yeah, except obviously the rest of the NFL doesn't see it that way since Shurmur was immediately snatched up as an OC while McAdoo latched on as a position coach after a couple of years of not being in demand.

Shurmur is a well respected and proven OC in this league. McAdoo rode the coattails of Rodgers and Coughlin's offense. And for those saying "McAdoo recognized Mahomes was good", McAdoo is also the same guy that thought Geno Smith somehow was worth starting.
Again,  
an_idol_mind : 2/11/2020 10:45 pm : link
the Giants were already looking for Eli's replacement. Everybody but McAdoo knew Geno Smith wasn't it.

I hope McAdoo does well, but let's not sugarcoat how bad he was in 2017. And as bad as Shurmur was running this team, at least his offenses could crack 30 points.
RE: RE: Say what you want about McAdoo,  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/12/2020 12:19 am : link
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but he wound up being right in the end.



Hahaha!

This guy actually believes what he says.

Stupidest thing Iíve seen all day.


Yeah, and so does everyone else. So...good one?

Stay mad and slurping, though. It's what you do best.
RE: RE: Say what you want about McAdoo,  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/12/2020 12:20 am : link
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but he wound up being right in the end.



Not really. Especially since he hasnít had a job in the NFL since he was fired.


He definitely was. Not even a question now that we know how it all turned out.
Heís a good offensive play caller  
Tuckrule : 2/12/2020 5:04 am : link
Much better than shurmur. Eventually that is where he will be. Calling plays for some offense in the nfl thatís his ceiling. Some guys just are not head coaches sadly we hired 2 of them back to back. Hopefully Joe Judge is the real deal
Our offense was a complete joke  
mattnyg05 : 2/12/2020 6:43 am : link
In 2016 and 2017. It was horrendous.
While it's nothing I can prove, my reading of the tea leaves  
shyster : 2/12/2020 7:57 am : link
in the '16 HC search process was that there was a point where John Mara wanted Doug Marrone for HC, with McAdoo remaining as offensive coordinator.

Reese did not want Marrone; McAdoo wanted to be a HC somewhere; and events went from there.

The world does a few orbits and McAdoo has a job working under Marrone.
That's a good spot for him.  
Section331 : 2/12/2020 8:01 am : link
He did really good work with Eli's footwork his first year here.
RE: Heís a good offensive play caller  
Section331 : 2/12/2020 8:03 am : link
In comment 14809372 Tuckrule said:
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Much better than shurmur. Eventually that is where he will be. Calling plays for some offense in the nfl thatís his ceiling. Some guys just are not head coaches sadly we hired 2 of them back to back. Hopefully Joe Judge is the real deal


I disagree. For all of his faults, the offense was decent with Shurmur. McAdoo was more of a mixed bag. O was very good when he was OC, but downright terrible when he was HC.

When he was OC, he used a lot more motion and stacked WR formations than he did as HC. That leads me to believe that TC had significant input.
QB coach may be to big a role for him  
PatersonPlank : 2/12/2020 9:45 am : link
Asst to the QB coach might be a better fit
He was a better game manager than Shurmur  
mfsd : 2/12/2020 9:50 am : link
Situational decision making, clock management/use of timeouts, etc. he was NOT a better play caller than Shurmur

Shurmur was an uninspiring head coach, but still ran an offense that was pretty good, despite an injured Saquon, a rookie QB, and a horseshit OL.
Him and Shurmur are the same guy  
Rudy5757 : 2/12/2020 10:28 am : link
they have to run their system no matter what and can't adjust to the talent. You have to play with the cards you are dealt and he and Shurmur were unable to adjust. He could be good with the right pieces.
RE: He was a better game manager than Shurmur  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/12/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14809515 mfsd said:
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Situational decision making, clock management/use of timeouts, etc. he was NOT a better play caller than Shurmur

Shurmur was an uninspiring head coach, but still ran an offense that was pretty good, despite an injured Saquon, a rookie QB, and a horseshit OL.


100% correct. Shurmur's offense was leap and bounds better than McAdoo's. McAdoo ran 11 personnel 85% of the time and was very very predictable. Even opponents acknowledged this repeatedly.
McAdoo..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2020 11:14 am : link
actually ran the 11 personnel 91% of the time the final season.

I think the NFL has spoken pretty clearly on how they view Shurmur vs. McAdoo as assistants. Shurmur is highly sought after as a coordinator.

I think both were lousy HC's, so really acting as if one was demonstrably better than the other isn't really going to hold water.
I'm sure McAdoo would have maximized Mahomes' talent  
DieHard : 2/12/2020 11:47 am : link
By having him throw 5-yard slants on every third and long.
McAdoo has interviewed for several jobs since being fired  
Jay on the Island : 2/12/2020 11:48 am : link
he was passed over for all of them until now.
RE: RE: He was better than Shurmur  
LAXin : 2/12/2020 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14809250 an_idol_mind said:
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The way people retell history here, you'd think that McAdoo was the only guy in the franchise thinking about replacing Eli.


We knew who in the franchise were NOT thinking about replacing Eli: 6 months after McAdoo was fired, the new GM chose to acquire players (draftees or FAs) to give Eli better protection and weapons; and 18 months after McAdoo was fired, with D.Jones already on the team, the owner publicly proclaimed "... may he never see the field this year."
You can debate whether McAdooíwas a good OC but there is no debate  
Ivan15 : 2/13/2020 8:49 am : link
that he didnít connect with his players as a HC.

Thatís why he lost the team.

I hope he succeeds in Jax. He wonít be able to hide behind his play card.
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