The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
The way people retell history here, you'd think that McAdoo was the only guy in the franchise thinking about replacing Eli.
How it actually went down was that he stuck with Eli even when the losses piled on and the team disintegrated. Then when the team had no chance at the playoffs, he came up with his harebrained scheme to treat regular season games like preseason.
Both Mara and Reese had already discussed getting a look at the other quarterbacks on the roster while they eyed drafting a rookie replacement. They both messed up by signing off on McAdoo's flawed plan, but it was McAdoo's own inability to lead the team that got him fired.
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes
Lots of folks were big fans of Mahomes. That's why he was a top ten pick.
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes
Lots of folks were big fans of Mahomes. That's why he was a top ten pick.
Also, the very bare minimum number of people were big fans of Mahomes to make him a top ten pick, since he was picked #10.
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.
McAdoo could coach circles around Shurmur. The only difference in their respective legacies is that one of them fucked up in dealing with NFL royalty, and the other had the luxury of coming after the guy who had already broken the royal veneer.
The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.
McAdoo could coach circles around Shurmur. The only difference in their respective legacies is that one of them fucked up in dealing with NFL royalty, and the other had the luxury of coming after the guy who had already broken the royal veneer.
Yeah, except obviously the rest of the NFL doesn't see it that way since Shurmur was immediately snatched up as an OC while McAdoo latched on as a position coach after a couple of years of not being in demand.
Shurmur is a well respected and proven OC in this league. McAdoo rode the coattails of Rodgers and Coughlin's offense. And for those saying "McAdoo recognized Mahomes was good", McAdoo is also the same guy that thought Geno Smith somehow was worth starting.
the Giants were already looking for Eli's replacement. Everybody but McAdoo knew Geno Smith wasn't it.
I hope McAdoo does well, but let's not sugarcoat how bad he was in 2017. And as bad as Shurmur was running this team, at least his offenses could crack 30 points.
Much better than shurmur. Eventually that is where he will be. Calling plays for some offense in the nfl that’s his ceiling. Some guys just are not head coaches sadly we hired 2 of them back to back. Hopefully Joe Judge is the real deal
Much better than shurmur. Eventually that is where he will be. Calling plays for some offense in the nfl that’s his ceiling. Some guys just are not head coaches sadly we hired 2 of them back to back. Hopefully Joe Judge is the real deal
I disagree. For all of his faults, the offense was decent with Shurmur. McAdoo was more of a mixed bag. O was very good when he was OC, but downright terrible when he was HC.
When he was OC, he used a lot more motion and stacked WR formations than he did as HC. That leads me to believe that TC had significant input.
they have to run their system no matter what and can't adjust to the talent. You have to play with the cards you are dealt and he and Shurmur were unable to adjust. He could be good with the right pieces.
Situational decision making, clock management/use of timeouts, etc. he was NOT a better play caller than Shurmur
Shurmur was an uninspiring head coach, but still ran an offense that was pretty good, despite an injured Saquon, a rookie QB, and a horseshit OL.
100% correct. Shurmur's offense was leap and bounds better than McAdoo's. McAdoo ran 11 personnel 85% of the time and was very very predictable. Even opponents acknowledged this repeatedly.
The way people retell history here, you'd think that McAdoo was the only guy in the franchise thinking about replacing Eli.
We knew who in the franchise were NOT thinking about replacing Eli: 6 months after McAdoo was fired, the new GM chose to acquire players (draftees or FAs) to give Eli better protection and weapons; and 18 months after McAdoo was fired, with D.Jones already on the team, the owner publicly proclaimed "... may he never see the field this year."
You can debate whether McAdoo’was a good OC but there is no debate Â
I just hope the Jags QBs are talented men of integrity
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I just hope the Jags QBs are talented men of integrity
You beat me to it.
Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes
The way people retell history here, you'd think that McAdoo was the only guy in the franchise thinking about replacing Eli.
How it actually went down was that he stuck with Eli even when the losses piled on and the team disintegrated. Then when the team had no chance at the playoffs, he came up with his harebrained scheme to treat regular season games like preseason.
Both Mara and Reese had already discussed getting a look at the other quarterbacks on the roster while they eyed drafting a rookie replacement. They both messed up by signing off on McAdoo's flawed plan, but it was McAdoo's own inability to lead the team that got him fired.
The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes
Lots of folks were big fans of Mahomes. That's why he was a top ten pick.
Very few coaches who leave the Giants land on their feet. They either move upward, or get tied to stories about boats.
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
Sadly this is true. Also he was a big fan of Mahomes
Lots of folks were big fans of Mahomes. That's why he was a top ten pick.
Also, the very bare minimum number of people were big fans of Mahomes to make him a top ten pick, since he was picked #10.
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.
McAdoo could coach circles around Shurmur. The only difference in their respective legacies is that one of them fucked up in dealing with NFL royalty, and the other had the luxury of coming after the guy who had already broken the royal veneer.
Not really. Especially since he hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired.
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Not really. Especially since he hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired.
He just stopped getting paid by Mara a few weeks ago.
He took the same paid vacation most of you numbskulls would have taken.
Not really. Especially since he hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired.
He was right about Eli regardless if he hasn't worked in the NFL since.
Hahaha!
This guy actually believes what he says.
Stupidest thing I’ve seen all day.
And since the Giants have shown themselves well to suck with McAdoo and without, some of you should think about taking your fangs out.
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For when he talks about protecting the Duke
I just hope the Jags QBs are talented men of integrity
You beat me to it.
Evolution not revolution!
And people need to stop with this idea that bc he liked Mahomes he is some kind of underappreciated genius.
He had a good first year. He came back in year 2 acting like an arrogant douche, and soon lost the fans, the media, and the locker room.
Hopefully he’s been reading a lot of his self help books during his time away, so he at least has some new leadership cliches to use in Jax
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The 11 personnel got ridiculous and he'll always be known as the guy who started Geno Smith and ended Eli's streak. On the other hand, he took a very flawed team to the playoffs and was ready to move on from Eli before anyone else in the building was which, in retrospect, was accurate.
The 2016 Giants was infinitely more talented than any of the rosters Shurmur had. They both sucked but McAdoo was worse.
McAdoo could coach circles around Shurmur. The only difference in their respective legacies is that one of them fucked up in dealing with NFL royalty, and the other had the luxury of coming after the guy who had already broken the royal veneer.
Yeah, except obviously the rest of the NFL doesn't see it that way since Shurmur was immediately snatched up as an OC while McAdoo latched on as a position coach after a couple of years of not being in demand.
Shurmur is a well respected and proven OC in this league. McAdoo rode the coattails of Rodgers and Coughlin's offense. And for those saying "McAdoo recognized Mahomes was good", McAdoo is also the same guy that thought Geno Smith somehow was worth starting.
I hope McAdoo does well, but let's not sugarcoat how bad he was in 2017. And as bad as Shurmur was running this team, at least his offenses could crack 30 points.
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but he wound up being right in the end.
Hahaha!
This guy actually believes what he says.
Stupidest thing I’ve seen all day.
Yeah, and so does everyone else. So...good one?
Stay mad and slurping, though. It's what you do best.
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but he wound up being right in the end.
Not really. Especially since he hasn’t had a job in the NFL since he was fired.
He definitely was. Not even a question now that we know how it all turned out.
Reese did not want Marrone; McAdoo wanted to be a HC somewhere; and events went from there.
The world does a few orbits and McAdoo has a job working under Marrone.
I disagree. For all of his faults, the offense was decent with Shurmur. McAdoo was more of a mixed bag. O was very good when he was OC, but downright terrible when he was HC.
When he was OC, he used a lot more motion and stacked WR formations than he did as HC. That leads me to believe that TC had significant input.
Shurmur was an uninspiring head coach, but still ran an offense that was pretty good, despite an injured Saquon, a rookie QB, and a horseshit OL.
Shurmur was an uninspiring head coach, but still ran an offense that was pretty good, despite an injured Saquon, a rookie QB, and a horseshit OL.
100% correct. Shurmur's offense was leap and bounds better than McAdoo's. McAdoo ran 11 personnel 85% of the time and was very very predictable. Even opponents acknowledged this repeatedly.
I think the NFL has spoken pretty clearly on how they view Shurmur vs. McAdoo as assistants. Shurmur is highly sought after as a coordinator.
I think both were lousy HC's, so really acting as if one was demonstrably better than the other isn't really going to hold water.
The way people retell history here, you'd think that McAdoo was the only guy in the franchise thinking about replacing Eli.
We knew who in the franchise were NOT thinking about replacing Eli: 6 months after McAdoo was fired, the new GM chose to acquire players (draftees or FAs) to give Eli better protection and weapons; and 18 months after McAdoo was fired, with D.Jones already on the team, the owner publicly proclaimed "... may he never see the field this year."
That’s why he lost the team.
I hope he succeeds in Jax. He won’t be able to hide behind his play card.