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Four scenarios where Giants could trade back in the 2020 NFL

mdthedream : 2/12/2020 8:12 am
Pro daily article.

Dave Gettleman has presided over seven NFL drafts with two different franchises, and he still has never done it. Many other teams have, from the first round to the last, in an attempt to acquire extra draft picks.

But Gettleman, the Giants GM, has still never traded down.

This, though, could be the year he breaks that streak -- and possibly very early. He "seems more open to the idea" of trading back this year -- even in the first round, according to a source familiar with the Giants thinking. And a team source, while saying it's all wildly premature and there have been no actual trade discussions, acknowledged a rare trade back in the first round can't be ruled out.

Why this year? There appears to be four factors at play, according to those sources. One is definitely the arrival of new head coach Joe Judge, who won't have final say but will have an influential voice in any big, organizational decisions. He comes form the Patriots where Bill Belichick has always been one of the more active draft-day traders, and has never been afraid to trade down or even out of the first round.

Judge figures to be more likely open to a move, even if Gettleman is reluctant. And he'll have some supporters, too, because of the second factor: A desire in the organization to do things differently, since some of their stuck-in-the-mud ways of the past haven't worked.

A third factor has to do with the draft board and the state of the Giants' roster. They need a lot of help at a lot of different positions and could use a stash of extra picks. And with Ohio State edge rusher Chase Young likely out of reach, they could drop down in the Top 10 and still likely get one of the top three offensive linemen, or the second-best pass rusher if that's the way they choose to go.

The final factor, though, might be the most important: Unless teams trade up ahead of them, there will likely be two premiere quarterbacks on the board when the Giants draft at No. 4 -- Oregon's Justin Herbert and Alabama's Tua Tagovailoa (assuming LSU's Joe Burrow goes to the Bengals at No. 1 as everyone is expecting). And there are plenty of quarterback-needy teams below them who should be interested in moving up.

That's huge for the Giants, who obviously don't need a quarterback, because when quarterbacks are involved, the prices always go up.

Way up.
Glad  
mdthedream : 2/12/2020 8:13 am : link
to see this and hope its true.
Interesting  
M.S. : 2/12/2020 8:31 am : link


But I don't think the odds are very good that the Giants could collect a "stash" of draft choices with a trade down, unless they trade completely out of the first round.

But assuming the more likely event that they trade down anywhere from 1 to 8 slots, we're looking at maybe a second rounder or probably a third.
Umm  
mdthedream : 2/12/2020 8:37 am : link
yes the could from the Raiders or SD. if you want a QB its going to take 2 first to move up at least. Esp with Miami behind us.
just for some clarification  
ATL_Giants : 2/12/2020 8:38 am : link
The 2nd point seems like a lot of speculation. I don't doubt it's true, but has it been openly said by any of the Giant's leadership?
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..because of the second factor: A desire in the organization to do things differently, since some of their stuck-in-the-mud ways of the past haven't worked.
Maybe one of Tua and Herbert will be taken by a team trading with  
Ira : 2/12/2020 8:40 am : link
Detroit. I think we'll get an offer, but not a stash of picks - probably a 2nd or 3rd depending on who we trade with. If that's the case, it comes down to whether we value the players on the board equally or do we feel one is significantly better and might not be there if we trade down.
I doubt DG trades down...  
GFAN52 : 2/12/2020 8:42 am : link
Heís too old school and set in ways to do it.
I'm rarely a fan of trading down.  
Klaatu : 2/12/2020 8:45 am : link
But if there was ever a year where I'm hoping the Giants do trade down, it's this year, especially since they're already short one premium pick.
RE: I'm rarely a fan of trading down.  
Dnew15 : 2/12/2020 8:55 am : link
In comment 14809458 Klaatu said:
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But if there was ever a year where I'm hoping the Giants do trade down, it's this year, especially since they're already short one premium pick.


I agree with this 100%.

Believe it  
Harvest Blend : 2/12/2020 9:04 am : link
when I see it.

I'm no DG hater all the way like some here but history says we sit still. He's stubborn for better or worse.
Need for one QB (Herbert?) to blow up the Combine  
The_Boss : 2/12/2020 9:16 am : link
And his pro day. Someone is coming up for the Lionsí pick at 3. We need one more guy to become desirable.

That being said, if Okudah is there, I stay at 4 and take him. Heís pretty much cemented as the 2nd best player in this draft.
I'm  
AcidTest : 2/12/2020 10:04 am : link
still in the "I'll believe it when I see it category." DG has never traded down, and neither did his predecessor Reese. But the reasons the author cites are nonetheless compelling, and I'd therefore put the chances of this happening at about 50%.
RE: just for some clarification  
Bill L : 2/12/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14809454 ATL_Giants said:
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The 2nd point seems like a lot of speculation. I don't doubt it's true, but has it been openly said by any of the Giant's leadership?


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..because of the second factor: A desire in the organization to do things differently, since some of their stuck-in-the-mud ways of the past haven't worked.



I hope that they trade down as well. But to do something different simply to do something different has to be the stupidest reason to do something different in the history of man.
I donít know if I could have said this any better  
LBH15 : 2/12/2020 10:35 am : link
Trade back scenarios need to be the number 1 thing on the agenda for this front office. It may not ultimately get executed but it absolutely needs to be explored fully.
RE: Need for one QB (Herbert?) to blow up the Combine  
Anakim : 2/12/2020 10:39 am : link
In comment 14809482 The_Boss said:
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And his pro day. Someone is coming up for the Lionsí pick at 3. We need one more guy to become desirable.

That being said, if Okudah is there, I stay at 4 and take him. Heís pretty much cemented as the 2nd best player in this draft.


Herbert did well at the Senior Bowl. He basically cemented his stock as a top-10 pick.

Tua had a great medical prognosis yesterday.
#4 is most important  
Jay in Toronto : 2/12/2020 10:46 am : link
BUT a huge IF
It is 2 QBs  
mdthedream : 2/12/2020 10:50 am : link
and Young so to say it won't happen no matter what is crazy. If Young is there we take him. If not and Chic is willing to move up and give us that deal that was rumored I would take it. Also if a team is willing to trade up for a QB we need to listen and I think make a deal that gives up two 1st and so on.
His mentor, EA has traded  
Simms11 : 2/12/2020 11:43 am : link
down before. If ever there was a year to trade back, it's this year.
Nothing here that hasn't already been discussed on BBI  
ZogZerg : 2/12/2020 11:59 am : link
they are stating the obvious.
RE: I doubt DG trades down...  
Brown Recluse : 2/12/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14809457 GFAN52 said:
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Heís too old school and set in ways to do it.


Such a ridiculous take.
Thus far he has drafted well  
jc in c-ville : 2/12/2020 12:31 pm : link
So give credit to where credit is due.

It all depends on who is available when the Giants pick at 4 and if someone is willing to give us nice compensation, obviously.

If Herbert shines and Tua is completely healthy, I could very well see Qb's going 1/2/3 with Miami or ? jumping up to #3.

RE: Thus far he has drafted well  
WalterSobchak : 2/12/2020 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14809729 jc in c-ville said:
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So give credit to where credit is due.

It all depends on who is available when the Giants pick at 4 and if someone is willing to give us nice compensation, obviously.

If Herbert shines and Tua is completely healthy, I could very well see Qb's going 1/2/3 with Miami or ? jumping up to #3.


Thats very debatable. Slayton and Lawrence look like plus starters maybe , Connolly looked decent but is a huge unkown. Jury is out on Jones , and Barkley was the freaking 2 overall pick . I give him little to no credit on the draft. Not to mention him pissing away our top 70 pick for an 8 game rental.
Having said that. If Young and Okudah are gone then I would love a slight trade down. Top OT or Epenesa or Simmons plus an extra 2nd or 3rd would be just fine with me.
RE: RE: I doubt DG trades down...  
LBH15 : 2/12/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14809719 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14809457 GFAN52 said:


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Heís too old school and set in ways to do it.



Such a ridiculous take.


you may not agree but its far from a ridiculous take
The two most appealing/realistic ones are:  
Anakim : 2/12/2020 1:03 pm : link
1) Giants trade down to 5, 6, or 7 with the Dolphins, Chargers or Panthers (QB-needy teams), respectively, and pick up an extra second rounder.

2) Giants trade their pick to the Raiders for #12 and #19
RE: RE: Need for one QB (Herbert?) to blow up the Combine  
The_Boss : 2/12/2020 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14809584 Anakim said:
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And his pro day. Someone is coming up for the Lionsí pick at 3. We need one more guy to become desirable.

That being said, if Okudah is there, I stay at 4 and take him. Heís pretty much cemented as the 2nd best player in this draft.



Herbert did well at the Senior Bowl. He basically cemented his stock as a top-10 pick.

Tua had a great medical prognosis yesterday.


Thatís exactly what we need: 2 QBís hopefully teams will fall in love with. It not only increases the odds Okudah is there at 4, but it also could present a solid trade down option.
RE: RE: RE: Need for one QB (Herbert?) to blow up the Combine  
Anakim : 2/12/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14809770 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14809584 Anakim said:


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In comment 14809482 The_Boss said:


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And his pro day. Someone is coming up for the Lionsí pick at 3. We need one more guy to become desirable.

That being said, if Okudah is there, I stay at 4 and take him. Heís pretty much cemented as the 2nd best player in this draft.



Herbert did well at the Senior Bowl. He basically cemented his stock as a top-10 pick.

Tua had a great medical prognosis yesterday.



Thatís exactly what we need: 2 QBís hopefully teams will fall in love with. It not only increases the odds Okudah is there at 4, but it also could present a solid trade down option.


What do you think of this assessment on Okudah:



NFL Draft Blitz
@NFLDraftBlitz
CB Jeff Okudah (Ohio State) has impressive physical tools. The size, athleticism, quick feet and speed are there. He will impress at the Combine. He is a nice young man and a hard worker. But OSU CB Okudah is not a top 5 or top 10 pick to me. He needs to refine his press technique, his footwork and work on his jam. I question his instincts. His ball skills are ok, but he doesn't locate the ball that well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Need for one QB (Herbert?) to blow up the Combine  
The_Boss : 2/12/2020 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14809774 Anakim said:
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In comment 14809584 Anakim said:


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And his pro day. Someone is coming up for the Lionsí pick at 3. We need one more guy to become desirable.

That being said, if Okudah is there, I stay at 4 and take him. Heís pretty much cemented as the 2nd best player in this draft.



Herbert did well at the Senior Bowl. He basically cemented his stock as a top-10 pick.

Tua had a great medical prognosis yesterday.



Thatís exactly what we need: 2 QBís hopefully teams will fall in love with. It not only increases the odds Okudah is there at 4, but it also could present a solid trade down option.



What do you think of this assessment on Okudah:



NFL Draft Blitz
@NFLDraftBlitz
CB Jeff Okudah (Ohio State) has impressive physical tools. The size, athleticism, quick feet and speed are there. He will impress at the Combine. He is a nice young man and a hard worker. But OSU CB Okudah is not a top 5 or top 10 pick to me. He needs to refine his press technique, his footwork and work on his jam. I question his instincts. His ball skills are ok, but he doesn't locate the ball that well.


I suppose aside from Burrow (maybe not elite arm talent?) and Chase Young, every other potential top 5-10 pick will be critiqued either fairly or unfairly by some. The writer here is entitled to his opinion. But, he might be an outlier as most prospect lists Iíve seen have Okudah as either the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or at worst 5th best player in this draft. My top 4 are: Young (who we have zero shot at), Okudah, Brown (who doesnít fit on a crowded DL), and Burrow.
I would create a trade down involving Jones  
mdc1 : 2/12/2020 8:30 pm : link
as an addition. Maybe we might like one of the other QBs available, I do in terms of elite play and winning championships. Jones will not, he is Dak tier.
RE: I would create a trade down involving Jones  
Anakim : 2/12/2020 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14810025 mdc1 said:
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as an addition. Maybe we might like one of the other QBs available, I do in terms of elite play and winning championships. Jones will not, he is Dak tier.


LOL wut?
Qb's always get overvalued  
ChicagoMarty : 2/12/2020 8:51 pm : link
the closer we get to the draft.

Chances for a tradedown scenario are excellent imo
RE: The two most appealing/realistic ones are:  
ron mexico : 2/12/2020 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14809766 Anakim said:
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1) Giants trade down to 5, 6, or 7 with the Dolphins, Chargers or Panthers (QB-needy teams), respectively, and pick up an extra second rounder.

2) Giants trade their pick to the Raiders for #12 and #19


I cant see the dolphins trading up one spot. That would require DG shopping an offer from another team to the Phins and he doesn't seem like the type to do that.
so to discuss some scenarios that are roughly inline with the chart  
ron mexico : 2/12/2020 9:29 pm : link
Giants swap picks with the chargers #6 and receive the Chargers 3rd round pick #71

Giants swap pick with the Panthers #7 and receive either Carolina 2021 2nd round pick or their 2020 3rd and 4rd round picks

Giants swap with the Raiders #12 and receive their 2021 first round pick

would you do any of those?
Why does everyone pigeon hold this GM to this belief  
bradshaw44 : 2/12/2020 9:33 pm : link
Based on a handful of drafts? Itís entirely possible in the 7 drafts heís been part of he 1. Didnít have a trading partner. 2. Believed heavily in the guy pegged in his board a la Barkley. 3. The guy they penciled in for the trade down team got scooped up just before the pick therefore nullifying they trade. Etc etc.

These GMs only get so many shots at this and itís not like they can just trade down by hitting a button. Lot of things have to line up to make this happen. When they donít line up you donít take a raw deal just for the sake of trading down. Claiming DG will never trade down based on past drafts seems lazy and mainly a parroting mob mentality on this board with little evidence to support the certainty in the proclamations by those that push this narrative. Sure, it could be true, but there is no way to prove it outside of DG flat out stating it.

'we're looking at maybe a second rounder or probably a third'  
Torrag : 2/13/2020 12:52 am : link
It really doesn't work that way when we're talking about teams moving up into the Top 4 to get a QB. The draft trade 'value' charts go out the window. There is always an extra cost built in for these picks. You can expect to get at least an extra premium(top 3 rounds) pick for moving down.

So at minimum we'll get a 2nd and a 3rd while still staying in the Top 10. Of course the further back we drop the greater the return will be. The Jets very recently swapped firsts giving up two 2nd rounders in that draft and another the following year to move from #6 to #3 for Darnold.

If you don't get that quality type offer you stay at #4 and draft your guy.
First three pick's a lock  
Gruber : 2/13/2020 5:56 am : link
Tua's stock will rise between now and the draft, back to where it was a year ago.
Burrow, Tua and Young are surely a lock to be taken off the board with the first three picks in whatever order.
After that is huge speculation.
There will surely be competition for Herbert, which gives us leverage for trading out of #4 if we so desire.
RE: First three pick's a lock  
LBH15 : 2/13/2020 7:49 am : link
In comment 14810144 Gruber said:
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Tua's stock will rise between now and the draft, back to where it was a year ago.
Burrow, Tua and Young are surely a lock to be taken off the board with the first three picks in whatever order.
After that is huge speculation.
There will surely be competition for Herbert, which gives us leverage for trading out of #4 if we so desire.


This succinctly says it all. Well done.
RE: The two most appealing/realistic ones are:  
MM_in_NYC : 2/13/2020 7:54 am : link
In comment 14809766 Anakim said:
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1) Giants trade down to 5, 6, or 7 with the Dolphins, Chargers or Panthers (QB-needy teams), respectively, and pick up an extra second rounder.

2) Giants trade their pick to the Raiders for #12 and #19


if we could get that extra second rounder that would be nice, but i don't think that is reasonable. is it?

raiders swap is what i'm viewing as a real possibility. that would be ideal as far as i'm concerned.
RE: so to discuss some scenarios that are roughly inline with the chart  
BlueVinnie : 2/13/2020 8:45 am : link
In comment 14810052 ron mexico said:
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Giants swap picks with the chargers #6 and receive the Chargers 3rd round pick #71

Giants swap pick with the Panthers #7 and receive either Carolina 2021 2nd round pick or their 2020 3rd and 4rd round picks

Giants swap with the Raiders #12 and receive their 2021 first round pick

would you do any of those?


I trade #4 to the Chargers for #6 and their 3rd rounder. If I'm Gettleman, I forget this bullshit about not making the initial call on a trade offer - I'm working my ass of to deal with Dolphins or Chargers for their 1st and 3rd.

It's a very real possibility that both Miami and the Chargers are going QB in the first round. So...
BEST CASE - I still get who I would have selected at #4 plus pick up a much needed 3rd rounder.
WORST CASE - Miami or LA does the unexpected so I get either my #2 offensive tackle or Simmons while picking up a 3rd rounder.

Make it happen!
RE: RE: so to discuss some scenarios that are roughly inline with the chart  
BlueVinnie : 2/13/2020 8:47 am : link
In comment 14810197 BlueVinnie said:
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In comment 14810052 ron mexico said:


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Giants swap picks with the chargers #6 and receive the Chargers 3rd round pick #71

Giants swap pick with the Panthers #7 and receive either Carolina 2021 2nd round pick or their 2020 3rd and 4rd round picks

Giants swap with the Raiders #12 and receive their 2021 first round pick

would you do any of those?



I trade #4 to the Chargers for #6 and their 3rd rounder. If I'm Gettleman, I forget this bullshit about not making the initial call on a trade offer - I'm working my ass of to deal with Dolphins or Chargers for their 1st and 3rd.

It's a very real possibility that both Miami and the Chargers are going QB in the first round. So...
BEST CASE - I still get who I would have selected at #4 plus pick up a much needed 3rd rounder.
WORST CASE - Miami or LA does the unexpected so I get either my #2 offensive tackle or Simmons while picking up a 3rd rounder.

Make it happen!


Should have said
WORST CASE - I still get either my #1 or #2 OT or Simmons.
Do any of the draft pick charts  
ron mexico : 2/14/2020 8:15 am : link
Have valuations for future years picks?

That seems to be where you get the most value if you are in the receiving end.
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