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Myles Garrett reinstated

Chris684 : 2/12/2020 10:47 am
after indefinite suspension.
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Too Soon  
Trainmaster : 2/12/2020 10:53 am : link
IMHO

Needed to be at least 1/2 year / 8 games. Really 1 year.
assault on the field, used the shiity race card, and  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/12/2020 10:54 am : link
lied. He got off wayyyyyy to easy.
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winoguy : 2/12/2020 10:55 am : link
That was fast....
that's bullshit  
KDavies : 2/12/2020 10:58 am : link
NFL probably just hoping people forget about it. What he did honestly probably deserves a lifetime ban. In a league which has been under scrutiny for concussions, CTE, and it's treatment of them, we have a player using a helmet as a weapon to try and strike another player.
RE: assault on the field, used the shiity race card, and  
TyreeHelmet : 2/12/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 14809605 GMAN4LIFE said:
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lied. He got off wayyyyyy to easy.


This^. Deserved another half season. He got off easy.
Good  
Oscar : 2/12/2020 11:01 am : link
Suspension was sufficient, fresh start is warranted. Great player, has to keep himself under control going forward though.
I know I'm in the minority here  
Leg of Theismann : 2/12/2020 11:14 am : link
But I do think it matters that he didn't actually injure Rudolph in any way. In fact it looked like Rudolph barely even felt the contact of the helmet on his head. He was immediately in fine enough condition to turn around and complain vehemently to the refs, and after the game even said it didn't even hurt.

I'm not saying Garrett didn't deserve every punishment he got. I'm just saying I think it matters that Rudolph wasn't injured even the slightest bit in the altercation.

I also think considering the fact that earlier in the game there was a brutal helmet to helmet hit (that looked totally intentional) to a guy's freaking temple that left him concussed and bleeding from the ear, and the DB who laid the hit wasn't ejected or suspended at all, makes this whole thing slightly ironic. We're talking about a guy swinging a helmet and setting a bad example (while not actually hurting anyone), but not talking about the fact that every game we see brutal hits that could literally be shaving years off of human beings' lives. That vision of the WR bleeding from the ear and stumbling off the field has actually been a much more lasting image in my head than the Myles Garrett helmet swing.

Again, I still completely agree with the suspension of Garrett. Certainly not saying he should have gotten off scot-free. Just saying it's funny how we're all so passionately up-in-arms and that incident has been the talk of the league for months (been called "absolutely disgusting" and "barbaric") and it didn't even really result in an anyone being injured even the slightest bit.
By the way  
Leg of Theismann : 2/12/2020 11:22 am : link
It's so funny that over the course of this entire series of events, I haven't heard one mention of the time in the 80s when Matt Millen swung his helmet at the Patriots' GM and nailed him in the back of the head. I don't even think Millen was suspended LOL. Millen didn't even apologize, he said he was happy he did it when he found out the guy was the Pats' GM. And all anyone was talking about after the Garrett incident was that they had "never seen anything like this in the history of sports".

Again-- totally agreed with the suspension and fine of Garrett this time around. Just sayin' -- different times.
Matt Millen slugs Pat Sullivan in the head with his helmet - ( New Window )
People are passionate..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2020 11:27 am : link
because of the danger that involves using equipment and the brazen way it happened.

By the logic of Rudolph not getting hurt playing into it, what if a guy pulls an "On Any Given sunday" move and bring a gun out? He shoots and misses, so people shouldn't be outraged?

There are unwritten rules in sports about intentionally trying to injure people. Swinging a hockey stick at a defenseless player. Taking a bat to a baseball player, etc.
I thought at the time he was fortunate it happened at that point  
Mad Mike : 2/12/2020 11:35 am : link
in the season. He probably would've been suspended for the remainder of the season even if it had happened a few weeks earlier (I'm guessing with as much as 8 to 10 games left), but that 6 games was enough that they'd probably not bother carrying it over to this season. If it was a few weeks later, they probably would've had to carry it over and probably would've settled on something longer than 6 games. Maybe 8 games was the right number, but 6 was close enough that they decided it wasn't worth the trouble of spreading it across two seasons.
RE: People are passionate..  
Leg of Theismann : 2/12/2020 11:42 am : link
In comment 14809649 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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because of the danger that involves using equipment and the brazen way it happened.

By the logic of Rudolph not getting hurt playing into it, what if a guy pulls an "On Any Given sunday" move and bring a gun out? He shoots and misses, so people shouldn't be outraged?

There are unwritten rules in sports about intentionally trying to injure people. Swinging a hockey stick at a defenseless player. Taking a bat to a baseball player, etc.


No you're absolutely right that people are correct to be angry and punishment was absolutely called for. Definitely don't want to act like this was all totally fine, it wasn't.

Although I will say technically along those lines if he did pull out a gun, his ultimate prison sentence would probably be less if he didn't hurt anyone at all than if he actually succeeded in murdering someone...

BUT-- then again, also along those lines, say he actually had injured/concussed Rudolph maybe he would have been suspended for a full season or even banned for life. So a 6-8 game suspension was definitely still justified despite having not hurt anyone, agreed.
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winoguy : 2/12/2020 11:44 am : link
the kicking net that bitch slapped OBJ did more time.
And I agree...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2020 11:47 am : link
that the suspension was fair. I think the comment above about the 8 games vs. the 6 is likely dead on.

It's just that intentional attempts to injure are always met with outrage. Tyson biting an ear off!!
RE: I know I'm in the minority here  
johnnyb : 2/12/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14809625 Leg of Theismann said:
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But I do think it matters that he didn't actually injure Rudolph in any way. In fact it looked like Rudolph barely even felt the contact of the helmet on his head. He was immediately in fine enough condition to turn around and complain vehemently to the refs, and after the game even said it didn't even hurt.

I'm not saying Garrett didn't deserve every punishment he got. I'm just saying I think it matters that Rudolph wasn't injured even the slightest bit in the altercation.

I also think considering the fact that earlier in the game there was a brutal helmet to helmet hit (that looked totally intentional) to a guy's freaking temple that left him concussed and bleeding from the ear, and the DB who laid the hit wasn't ejected or suspended at all, makes this whole thing slightly ironic. We're talking about a guy swinging a helmet and setting a bad example (while not actually hurting anyone), but not talking about the fact that every game we see brutal hits that could literally be shaving years off of human beings' lives. That vision of the WR bleeding from the ear and stumbling off the field has actually been a much more lasting image in my head than the Myles Garrett helmet swing.

Again, I still completely agree with the suspension of Garrett. Certainly not saying he should have gotten off scot-free. Just saying it's funny how we're all so passionately up-in-arms and that incident has been the talk of the league for months (been called "absolutely disgusting" and "barbaric") and it didn't even really result in an anyone being injured even the slightest bit.


Sorry- read your first line and stopped there. It is not what happened, but what COULD have happened. Because his aim was off and Rudolph was not seriously injured, I guess it is OK then. Garrett should have been suspended for a year IMO.
Anything more come of the accusation of racial remarks?  
RC in MD : 2/12/2020 11:54 am : link
At this point it appears like "he said vs he said," but if Garrett made that shit up, it seems like it should have been taken into consideration for his reinstatement since it shows a lack of contrition.
RE: I know I'm in the minority here  
montanagiant : 2/12/2020 11:58 am : link
In comment 14809625 Leg of Theismann said:
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But I do think it matters that he didn't actually injure Rudolph in any way. In fact it looked like Rudolph barely even felt the contact of the helmet on his head. He was immediately in fine enough condition to turn around and complain vehemently to the refs, and after the game even said it didn't even hurt.

I'm not saying Garrett didn't deserve every punishment he got. I'm just saying I think it matters that Rudolph wasn't injured even the slightest bit in the altercation.

I also think considering the fact that earlier in the game there was a brutal helmet to helmet hit (that looked totally intentional) to a guy's freaking temple that left him concussed and bleeding from the ear, and the DB who laid the hit wasn't ejected or suspended at all, makes this whole thing slightly ironic. We're talking about a guy swinging a helmet and setting a bad example (while not actually hurting anyone), but not talking about the fact that every game we see brutal hits that could literally be shaving years off of human beings' lives. That vision of the WR bleeding from the ear and stumbling off the field has actually been a much more lasting image in my head than the Myles Garrett helmet swing.

Again, I still completely agree with the suspension of Garrett. Certainly not saying he should have gotten off scot-free. Just saying it's funny how we're all so passionately up-in-arms and that incident has been the talk of the league for months (been called "absolutely disgusting" and "barbaric") and it didn't even really result in an anyone being injured even the slightest bit.

Fair point, the only counter to it is that he not hurting Rudolph had nothing to do with Garrett being smart but instead had to do with the fact that he hit him in the head with the opening of the helmet instead of the crown. Sheer luck
The guy with the gun was The Last Boy Scout  
Greg from LI : 2/12/2020 12:04 pm : link
Not Any Given Sunday

Little known fact - Billy Cole, the homicidal RB, was played by Billy Blanks, the Tae Bo guy
NFL being the NFL  
ZogZerg : 2/12/2020 12:05 pm : link
Arbitrary length of time based on how many games were left in the season.
They have now set a precedent for this type of incident based on how many games were left in the season when the Garrett incident occurred.

Sure, there is the long shot that those games actually correspond to the punishment the NFL feels is just, but I highly doubt it.

NFL resolves this in the early off season and it will blow away by the start of the 2020 season.
RE: The guy with the gun was The Last Boy Scout  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2020 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14809703 Greg from LI said:
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Not Any Given Sunday

Little known fact - Billy Cole, the homicidal RB, was played by Billy Blanks, the Tae Bo guy


Oh yep. You're right.
RE: The guy with the gun was The Last Boy Scout  
santacruzom : 2/12/2020 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14809703 Greg from LI said:
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Not Any Given Sunday

Little known fact - Billy Cole, the homicidal RB, was played by Billy Blanks, the Tae Bo guy


Perhaps lesser known facts: who Billy Blanks is, and what Tae Bo is.
I think the practical reason for reinstating him now  
Mike from Ohio : 2/12/2020 12:40 pm : link
is that if it carried over into next season, it stays a story. Then there is a big deal about the game he comes back and discussing if the suspension was too much / too little or just enough.

Dropping it in February when there is no football news makes sure the discussion of it when the season kicks off is minimal.
I agree with you Leg  
ron mexico : 2/12/2020 1:05 pm : link
And I think people are really overstating the potential for harm in that situation.

In a scrum like that there was no chance for serious harm, IMO.

The punishment fit the crime, in my view.
RE: I agree with you Leg  
RC in MD : 2/12/2020 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14809771 ron mexico said:
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And I think people are really overstating the potential for harm in that situation.

In a scrum like that there was no chance for serious harm, IMO.

The punishment fit the crime, in my view.


Yes, the helmet luckily missed Rudolph's head, but it could have easily killed him or caused serious traumatic brain injury if it did connect with his head. I've known many people with TBI, and it's not pretty and completely life altering, so there is no overstating the potential for harm. So the fact that Rudolph got lucky doesn't negate the fact that the act itself was extremely dangerous and potentially could have caused life altering injury.
TBI is definitely terrible  
ron mexico : 2/12/2020 2:48 pm : link
I donít think there was any chance of TBI in that situation.

but itís not like I conducted a sports science segment on it...haha
The NFL embraced the spirit of the Coach K definition...  
Crispino : 2/12/2020 7:23 pm : link
of ďindefiniteĒ.
RE: RE: I agree with you Leg  
ron mexico : 2/12/2020 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14809782 RC in MD said:
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In comment 14809771 ron mexico said:


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And I think people are really overstating the potential for harm in that situation.

In a scrum like that there was no chance for serious harm, IMO.

The punishment fit the crime, in my view.



Yes, the helmet luckily missed Rudolph's head, but it could have easily killed him or caused serious traumatic brain injury if it did connect with his head. I've known many people with TBI, and it's not pretty and completely life altering, so there is no overstating the potential for harm. So the fact that Rudolph got lucky doesn't negate the fact that the act itself was extremely dangerous and potentially could have caused life altering injury.


BTW, if this is a miss, I'd hate to see what you consider a hit...lol

RE: I know I'm in the minority here  
Crispino : 2/12/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14809625 Leg of Theismann said:
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But I do think it matters that he didn't actually injure Rudolph in any way. In fact it looked like Rudolph barely even felt the contact of the helmet on his head. He was immediately in fine enough condition to turn around and complain vehemently to the refs, and after the game even said it didn't even hurt.

I'm not saying Garrett didn't deserve every punishment he got. I'm just saying I think it matters that Rudolph wasn't injured even the slightest bit in the altercation.

I also think considering the fact that earlier in the game there was a brutal helmet to helmet hit (that looked totally intentional) to a guy's freaking temple that left him concussed and bleeding from the ear, and the DB who laid the hit wasn't ejected or suspended at all, makes this whole thing slightly ironic. We're talking about a guy swinging a helmet and setting a bad example (while not actually hurting anyone), but not talking about the fact that every game we see brutal hits that could literally be shaving years off of human beings' lives. That vision of the WR bleeding from the ear and stumbling off the field has actually been a much more lasting image in my head than the Myles Garrett helmet swing.

Again, I still completely agree with the suspension of Garrett. Certainly not saying he should have gotten off scot-free. Just saying it's funny how we're all so passionately up-in-arms and that incident has been the talk of the league for months (been called "absolutely disgusting" and "barbaric") and it didn't even really result in an anyone being injured even the slightest bit.






So, the fact that through sheer luck, he didnít crush somebodyís skull means he should get off easier. Because one second, or one inch in either direction could have resulted in catastrophic injury. Itís not the result, itís the recklessness which could have resulted In grievous injury that needs to be deterred.
haha - he hit him square on the head and he was fine  
ron mexico : 2/12/2020 7:36 pm : link
but an inch in another direction and he would have died.

Not saying what he did is ok, but take it down a notch with the hysterics.
RE: haha - he hit him square on the head and he was fine  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2020 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14810000 ron mexico said:
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but an inch in another direction and he would have died.

Not saying what he did is ok, but take it down a notch with the hysterics.


Are you actually trying to say that it is unlikely that could have caused a significant injury? The guy swung a helmet at another player intentionally, and if Rudolph was hit flush with the solid part of the helmet instead of having the inside catch him, it could have been much worse.

You are acting like it would be quite unbelievable if he was injured
Yes, I think under those circumstances  
ron mexico : 2/12/2020 8:35 pm : link
Anything more than a bump is highly unlikely.

I mean he connected pretty fuckin good as is.
RE: RE: I know I'm in the minority here  
Leg of Theismann : 2/13/2020 2:07 am : link
In comment 14809686 johnnyb said:
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In comment 14809625 Leg of Theismann said:


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But I do think it matters that he didn't actually injure Rudolph in any way. In fact it looked like Rudolph barely even felt the contact of the helmet on his head. He was immediately in fine enough condition to turn around and complain vehemently to the refs, and after the game even said it didn't even hurt.

I'm not saying Garrett didn't deserve every punishment he got. I'm just saying I think it matters that Rudolph wasn't injured even the slightest bit in the altercation.

I also think considering the fact that earlier in the game there was a brutal helmet to helmet hit (that looked totally intentional) to a guy's freaking temple that left him concussed and bleeding from the ear, and the DB who laid the hit wasn't ejected or suspended at all, makes this whole thing slightly ironic. We're talking about a guy swinging a helmet and setting a bad example (while not actually hurting anyone), but not talking about the fact that every game we see brutal hits that could literally be shaving years off of human beings' lives. That vision of the WR bleeding from the ear and stumbling off the field has actually been a much more lasting image in my head than the Myles Garrett helmet swing.

Again, I still completely agree with the suspension of Garrett. Certainly not saying he should have gotten off scot-free. Just saying it's funny how we're all so passionately up-in-arms and that incident has been the talk of the league for months (been called "absolutely disgusting" and "barbaric") and it didn't even really result in an anyone being injured even the slightest bit.



Sorry- read your first line and stopped there. It is not what happened, but what COULD have happened. Because his aim was off and Rudolph was not seriously injured, I guess it is OK then. Garrett should have been suspended for a year IMO.


I never said it was "OK" ... I simply said it "matters" that he didn't injure Rudolph in any way whatsoever. I don't see how you could argue against it at least "mattering". I mean if he had caused Rudolph brain damage or even death, he would be in prison right now, so the result of what he did at least matters a little bit. I certainly don't think it was "OK" in the least bit, and suspension/fine/punishment was definitely appropriate. It probably could have been a full year suspension and I'd be okay with it.

Really all I'm pointing out is the irony that an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit from earlier in the game left a guy concussed and bleeding from the ear and we haven't spoken about that since... well, ever. I'm not so much trying to take away from how brutal the Garrett incident was so much as drawing attention to how comparatively numb we are to severe concussions occurring on the field (again, despite the fact the helmet-to-helmet hit was entirely avoidable on the DB's part... to me that action should have been criticized and scrutinized to no end but instead we were all just like: "oh well that's football"... it's just weird is all).

And, separately, I was pointing out that it's also ironic that Matt Millen swung and hit the Pats' GM in the back of the head with his helmet and no one asked for him to apologize, Millen just laughed it off and said he was proud of it. I'm more just wondering if he really did put that guy's life in danger (technically) why was there not more controversy over it at the time? It really feels like people basically said "well the guy ended up being fine so Millen didn't do anything wrong." It's just an entirely different time and era I guess. Again I agree with the suspension and fine levied against Garrett, I'm more just pointing out some ironies/contradictions I'm seeing in the way we handle these different things.
I'm more worried about garrett than the insufficient punishment...  
Torrag : 2/13/2020 3:29 am : link
I expect he's learned his lesson about the on field stuff. What's concerning is he failed the character test post incident. He played the race card and lied multiple times in an effort to avoid responsibility. Obvious, stupid lies that he was called out on. I hope he can learn from that as well but it remains to be seen if he will.
Another good post Leg  
ron mexico : 2/13/2020 4:49 am : link
Appreciate your ability to think critically and rationally.

I think we have ample evidence that a helmet is way more dangerous as a weapon on a players head than in his hand.
The way I see this  
Tuckrule : 2/13/2020 5:23 am : link
Pulling the race card and claiming mason used a racial slur is far worse than using your helmet as a weapon and striking another player which says a lot about the situation. Goodell caved and if Myles wasnít a star player he would still be suspended indefinitely. The impact that his suspension had on the browns success is a huge reason why heís reinstated imo. The browns, without Myles, are not a playoff team.
RE: The way I see this  
SirLoinOfBeef : 2/13/2020 7:55 am : link
In comment 14810140 Tuckrule said:
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Pulling the race card and claiming mason used a racial slur is far worse than using your helmet as a weapon and striking another player which says a lot about the situation. Goodell caved and if Myles wasnít a star player he would still be suspended indefinitely. The impact that his suspension had on the browns success is a huge reason why heís reinstated imo. The browns, without Myles, are not a playoff team.


Agree with you 100%. The NFL is dying for the Browns to be a good team. Goodell's vision of parity starts with such smaller market teams. Especially ones with storied franchises.

If it wasn't Myles Garrett vs a back up QB, this would look much different.
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