Just had a conversation with a fellow Giants fan at my work about Saquon. He was very disappointed when the Giants used the #2 pick on him, and at the time wanted them to get Sam Darnold instead. But our conversation got me thinking about Saquon's future with the team.
As it stands right now, Saquon has two years remaining on his rookie contract. I wouldn't be surprised if come this time next year we start hearing grumblings from Saquon's camp of him wanting to "get paid" and extend his deal, and hopefully it doesn't lead to possible hold-out threats. It's almost certain he is going to look for a contract close to $100 million (Zeke Elliot signed a 6yr/$90mil extenstion). It's also considered by many NFL "gurus" to be unwise for a team to have a good portion of their salary cap allocated toward the RB position, as history shows good RBs can be found all over the draft.
With that said, when the time comes to make a decision, do you think the Giants end up re-signing Saquon, letting him walk, or possibly trading him away next off-season?
I wouldnt even consider giving him a long term deal. Its almost certainly going to happen and almost certainly is going to be a poor decision in the long run.
Betting on someone being an exception to a rule with large money on the line is bad business.
If we have to pay Barkley it means he’s earned it and producing. Not really a problem unless we are still working through a lot of bad contract by then.
Except Barkley will probably be making something dumb like $20 mil.
Long term deal wouldnt even be an option.
If he wants to hold out as a result, fine.
I think he will have a bounce back tremendous season and will get paid by the Giants when the time comes. He is the type of person you want on your team and a guy everyone should root for, he just needs to play like we know he can play. he's in his head too much right now.
If he looks more like 2018, then it's a question of extend now or let him hit the market and set a price later. Given the average RB's lifespan, I would imagine the latter wouldn't be the worst thing in the world (option + FT + possibly more later).
But if we don't do that, which, alas, we won't, I still wouldn't re-sign him. It's just such a waste to give out these big cap dollars to RBs. Sure, it may work. But I'd play the odds and assume it won't work much longer since RBs traditionally have the shortest shelf life in the NFL.
Anyone saying we shouldn’t give him a contract doesn’t know shit right now, to be perfectly honest. We don’t even know what the new CBA will be, but hey, don’t pay your best player under any circumstances, right?
Saquon could’ve won MVP and you guys would still talk down on the pick. I hope my son becomes a receiver or a qb
Lots of questions can be answered, and to be answered.
We could have two studs.
Now, personally, I'd let him walk at the end of his deal, but Mara and whomever is the GM won't do it. I will say though that having your best player eating up the lion's share of your cap as a RB isn't wise. And I think that's exactly where we are heading....
pay 5th year option and then let him walk.
That gives them 3 years to figure out if they want to pay him for his 2nd contract. He's a remarkable talent, but their is a limit to what I would pay a RB.
Huh?
Solder would still suck, because he is past his prime. Why would Chubb have still gotten hurt?
Both teams are trying to figure a way out of them less then 2 years later.
I guess we need to see how Zeke does.
We really dodged a bullet there. And yet, the Darnold contingency still cannot get over it.
Both teams are trying to figure a way out of them less then 2 years later.
I guess we need to see how Zeke does.
I don't think Zeke was great this year. He looked less explosive...actually, he was less explosive. So he may be right at the point where he tips the wrong way.
There is just a lot of evidence that going big on the RB comp in this era is a misuse of cap funds. There are just more positions that are more critical for success.
Unless you want to say we dodged a bullet only to die a slower death by knife.
We really dodged a bullet there. And yet, the Darnold contingency still cannot get over it.
Darnold looked really good the back half of the year. I think him and Jones are in absolutely awful positions.
AND Barkly on the team.
It's not sour grapes about Darnold, either; Jones just has more up-side - bigger, can run better, just as good an arm and more accurate.
Wether or not he will be an integral part of a championship caliber team is another discussion
Unless you want to say we dodged a bullet only to die a slower death by knife.
In retrospect, Gettleman was wise to not pick a QB.
And that's evident in the number of posters who wanted darnold suddenly changing their tune to say they wanted Nelson or Chubb.
If we selected Darnold, we're likely in worse shape than we are now, with a QB that will become an albatross to team building.
I sure as hell will care if those personal achievements are reached as a member of mediocre/bad teams.
Then it is worth it in my opinion.
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in finding a replacement for Manning in 2018.
Unless you want to say we dodged a bullet only to die a slower death by knife.
In retrospect, Gettleman was wise to not pick a QB.
And that's evident in the number of posters who wanted darnold suddenly changing their tune to say they wanted Nelson or Chubb.
If we selected Darnold, we're likely in worse shape than we are now, with a QB that will become an albatross to team building.
Well I think its more fair to say he just didn't pick a QB. But not because he had ultimate wisdom, but moreso because he was convinced Eli still had it so he had his QB and he went head over heels with Barkley.
Our guy wasn't at the firing range that day.
Then again - I'm responding to a 2/20 poster on a shitload of threads questioning Gettleman.
It's like the standard dupe playbook move these days here.
Unless you want to say we dodged a bullet only to die a slower death by knife.
Maybe he didn't think any of the QB's were the answer. If so, he may have been right.
Then again - I'm responding to a 2/20 poster on a shitload of threads questioning Gettleman.
It's like the standard dupe playbook move these days here.
Easy pal. I didn't say anything about just picking a QB. I said DG wasn't interested in any of these QBs because he was convinced he had his QB already.
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in finding a replacement for Manning in 2018.
Unless you want to say we dodged a bullet only to die a slower death by knife.
Maybe he didn't think any of the QB's were the answer. If so, he may have been right.
Maybe. Or maybe he wasn't really interested in the question because he thought Eli was his answer already.
A good coach, a good line, and good weapons make a QB.
I cross my fingers Barkely stays healthy, and when he inevitably pulls down a huge contract, he's still healthy and proportionately productive.
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in finding a replacement for Manning in 2018.
Unless you want to say we dodged a bullet only to die a slower death by knife.
Maybe he didn't think any of the QB's were the answer. If so, he may have been right.
Maybe. Or maybe he wasn't really interested in the question because he thought Eli was his answer already.
Exactly why you draft a RB #2 overall...he's supposed to be the missing piece for a playoff run
That's really what should happen, but it won't. If he has a really good season and the team makes the playoffs or contends to the final week, people will bitch and moan about how much we'll have to pay him in another two years.
And then there will be some that will actually root against his success because they dug in so hard about him being a terrible pick and they've gone all-in on stabbing the shit out of Gettleman with pitchforks.
And Gettleman may not be well-liked and is used plenty as a punching bag in the media and here on BBI, but those views are also not unfounded. He has made plenty of mistakes in his short time here and his second as a GM.
Why do you feel the need to defend him so?
Why would you sign up on a message board and in two weeks post almost exclusively about the job the GM is doing?
What page of the dupe playbook is that on?
But its not that difficult to get a feel on here.
Right.
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because the supply of good ones isn't that plentiful this year?
Yet there was no discussion prior to that about Gettleman or even discussing RB's. It's less about defending Gettleman and more about pointing out your stupidity and obsession with posting about him.
For a fucking guy who supposedly just signed up 2 weeks ago.