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PFF's Mike Renner ranks positional strength of 2020 draft

DanMetroMan : 2/12/2020 1:31 pm
Mike Renner
@PFF_Mike

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How I'd rank the relative strength of each position group in the 2020 draft class:

1. WR
2. OT
3. CB
4. DT
5. QB
6. RB
7. IOL
8. LB
9. Edge
10. S
11. TE
This is a very deep draft for OT's  
Jay on the Island : 2/12/2020 1:36 pm : link
If the Giants do not take one with their first pick they still could land a very talented one in round 2.
based on our needs and the strength  
Rudy5757 : 2/12/2020 2:07 pm : link
of the draft looks like FA mostly to sure up the D and the draft for the O. 1st round get the best player at any position then draft for strength of the draft the rest of the way. I still get the sense that no matter what we are going OT at 4 and then WR in Rd 2.
Is OT really that deep?  
Finch : 2/12/2020 2:32 pm : link
I thought I had heard there was a lot of top end talent and then the depth drops off
I thought the OT  
Dnew15 : 2/12/2020 2:53 pm : link
talent had a lot of blue chippers but lacked red chippers.

The draft is awesome. I love this stuff.
No OT at 4  
Bruner4329 : 2/12/2020 3:06 pm : link
If we draft an OT at 4 DG should be fired. Again there is not one OT worthy of a top 5 pick. If he wants to go that route he should trade down a few slots when most of the better ones will still be available.
RE: No OT at 4  
Nine-Tails : 2/12/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14809869 Bruner4329 said:
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If we draft an OT at 4 DG should be fired. Again there is not one OT worthy of a top 5 pick. If he wants to go that route he should trade down a few slots when most of the better ones will still be available.


How do you know no OT is worth the 4th pick?
If they over pay for Conklin  
Manning10 : 2/12/2020 3:34 pm : link
which means Giving LT money they will pass on OT early.
If someone out bids them then its OT at #4.
RE: RE: No OT at 4  
Bruner4329 : 2/12/2020 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14809873 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14809869 Bruner4329 said:


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If we draft an OT at 4 DG should be fired. Again there is not one OT worthy of a top 5 pick. If he wants to go that route he should trade down a few slots when most of the better ones will still be available.



How do you know no OT is worth the 4th pick?


There have been many threads on this board with player evaluations as well as other articles on line. There are about 3-4 OLs that are in the top 15-20 but there is not a big difference between them.

Further some common sense. The Bengals choose Burrows, Washington picks Young and lets say Detroit trades down and somebody takes Tua. So now it is the Giants turn. With Herbert still available there will be teams itching to take him. You also got the stud CB from Ohio State and Simmons from Clemson. You are telling me you are going to pick an OL at 4 instead of either the 2 defensive guys or as stated earlier trade down a few slots and still get one of the OLs at lets say with the 6th-9th pick?
RE: RE: RE: No OT at 4  
Nine-Tails : 2/12/2020 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14809885 Bruner4329 said:
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In comment 14809869 Bruner4329 said:


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If we draft an OT at 4 DG should be fired. Again there is not one OT worthy of a top 5 pick. If he wants to go that route he should trade down a few slots when most of the better ones will still be available.



How do you know no OT is worth the 4th pick?



There have been many threads on this board with player evaluations as well as other articles on line. There are about 3-4 OLs that are in the top 15-20 but there is not a big difference between them.

Further some common sense. The Bengals choose Burrows, Washington picks Young and lets say Detroit trades down and somebody takes Tua. So now it is the Giants turn. With Herbert still available there will be teams itching to take him. You also got the stud CB from Ohio State and Simmons from Clemson. You are telling me you are going to pick an OL at 4 instead of either the 2 defensive guys or as stated earlier trade down a few slots and still get one of the OLs at lets say with the 6th-9th pick?


Let's wait until after the combine and pro days before we jump to conclusions about player grades. Just cause the media is spouting their rankings, doesn't mean teams view the players the same way.
We cannot confuse need with talent  
Rjanyg : 2/12/2020 3:58 pm : link
There are 4 OT that are definitely worth a 1st round pick. It does not mean that any are worth the 4th pick. That is why to some degree the mock draft is kinda silly, especially past the 3rd round. You may be able to draft starters at positions of need but it sometimes ends up being a reach and results in poor value.

A small trade down would be great if NYG is after an OT. Otherwise I like Simmons at 4.
I wonder if..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2020 4:02 pm : link
the NFL has ever had a likely #1 overall pick where fans repeatedly butcher the name. Especially an easy one.
RE: I wonder if..  
Big Blue '56 : 2/12/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14809896 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the NFL has ever had a likely #1 overall pick where fans repeatedly butcher the name. Especially an easy one.



😂😂
Draft v FA Giants needs  
Reale01 : 2/12/2020 4:14 pm : link
OL and WR strong in draft, weak in FA
ER strong in FA weak in draft
S better in FA
ILB weak all around

I think they will spend big FA money on an edge rusher or two.
Smaller contract FA on a safety, a vet CB and ILB, possibly center
Draft will be OL and WR heavy then BPA. Trade down makes sense as you don't need to have pick 4 to do well in those spots.
So Gettleman should pick a RB early  
LBH15 : 2/12/2020 4:50 pm : link
because the supply of good ones isn't that plentiful this year?
RE: So Gettleman should pick a RB early  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/12/2020 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14809930 LBH15 said:
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because the supply of good ones isn't that plentiful this year?


LOL. Just a feeble reach to post a negative about Gettleman here?

Every fucking thread. It's a clown show. 2/20!
If Renner's list is accurate it is another reason  
LBH15 : 2/12/2020 5:09 pm : link
to wait to add to the WR unit.

There was some discussion last week about going WR with #4 pick because it could be BPA. And while it could be, it still makes little sense to do so in a deep draft especially with so many other units with needs.
Interesting to see this list.  
TC : 2/12/2020 5:35 pm : link
If I recall Sy56's early draft preview, I think he also listed WR as deepest. In fact, I think he may have used the term "historic."

So I started to look at some video clips of WR's, and while certainly not a scout, I was surprised by what I saw; historic may not be inaccurate! It looks to me as if the two deepest position groups are OT/OL and WR.

I know the focus seems to be on #4, but the significance of this deep pool means a lot more. To my untutored eyes, there are a surprising number of WR's in this draft who in other years you could clearly label as the best WR in the draft. They're not all going to go in the top 10, or even in the first round. So irrespective of whether the Giants consider a WR as their first pick, or wait, I think they have a very good chance at finding a very talented WR.

Iíve no problem with an OT at 4.  
Giant John : 2/12/2020 10:17 pm : link
Hell we have been trying to draft one for the last 10 years. We actually need two of them.
I think he should separate the OC and OG grades.  
Torrag : 2/13/2020 12:54 am : link
This year the Center group is strong while the OG group is just average.
RE: Interesting to see this list.  
islander1 : 2/14/2020 5:27 am : link
In comment 14809950 TC said:
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If I recall Sy56's early draft preview, I think he also listed WR as deepest. In fact, I think he may have used the term "historic."

So I started to look at some video clips of WR's, and while certainly not a scout, I was surprised by what I saw; historic may not be inaccurate! It looks to me as if the two deepest position groups are OT/OL and WR.

I know the focus seems to be on #4, but the significance of this deep pool means a lot more. To my untutored eyes, there are a surprising number of WR's in this draft who in other years you could clearly label as the best WR in the draft. They're not all going to go in the top 10, or even in the first round. So irrespective of whether the Giants consider a WR as their first pick, or wait, I think they have a very good chance at finding a very talented WR.


If this is accurate, then you KNOW Dave will want to trade back and get that third round pick back.

Talk about a draft spoon fed for us.
RE: No OT at 4  
PatersonPlank : 2/14/2020 8:54 am : link
In comment 14809869 Bruner4329 said:
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If we draft an OT at 4 DG should be fired. Again there is not one OT worthy of a top 5 pick. If he wants to go that route he should trade down a few slots when most of the better ones will still be available.


The thread showing 4 draft experts listings of their top 50, all had at least 1 OT in the top 7. Sometimes different players too. This draft has 4 top OL, and if its what we need and we think the player we want is a top 10 player, we should grab him.
RE: RE: No OT at 4  
PatersonPlank : 2/14/2020 8:55 am : link
In comment 14811004 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14809869 Bruner4329 said:


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If we draft an OT at 4 DG should be fired. Again there is not one OT worthy of a top 5 pick. If he wants to go that route he should trade down a few slots when most of the better ones will still be available.



The thread showing 4 draft experts listings of their top 50, all had at least 1 OT in the top 7. Sometimes different players too. This draft has 4 top OL, and if its what we need and we think the player we want is a top 10 player, we should grab him.


Should have typed last week there was a thread showing.
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