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Stafford trade rumors heating up

V.I.G. : 2/13/2020 7:03 am
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Sources close to the Detroit Lions have confirmed to Local 4′s Bernie Smilovitz that trade talks concerning the quarterback have been underway for a couple of weeks.


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Part of me wonders if this is going public to force a team like Miami  
robbieballs2003 : 2/13/2020 7:05 am : link
to 2 to drop Young to Detroit at 3.
Is Patricia on thin enough ice  
j_rud : 2/13/2020 7:14 am : link
that he is in Win Now mode, or does he gamble that a rookie QB can buy him time?Thats the key IMO.
I mentioned about a month ago that  
Diver_Down : 2/13/2020 7:15 am : link
Detroit would be looking to draft a QB. With the $32M in dead cap for Stafford for this year, I just assumed that he would serve as the bridge for this year. Of course, they have the space to take the hit.
Who would want  
section125 : 2/13/2020 7:25 am : link
him?
RE: Who would want  
Tuckrule : 2/13/2020 7:27 am : link
In comment 14810163 section125 said:
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him?


Chargers?
Bucs?
RE: Who would want  
Diver_Down : 2/13/2020 7:29 am : link
In comment 14810163 section125 said:
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him?


Removing the dead money from his contract makes him very attractive as it pertains to starting QB salaries. $8.3M for 2020; $20M for 2021; $23M for 2022 (all yearly cash earnings).
RE: RE: Who would want  
j_rud : 2/13/2020 7:32 am : link
In comment 14810164 Tuckrule said:
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him?



Chargers?
Bucs?


Tennessee would be a great fit
Always been a Stafford fan  
LBH15 : 2/13/2020 7:35 am : link
Very productive QB and has plenty of comebacks and late drive wins. Not done much in the few playoff appearances he's had.

Wonder if his ultimate landing place is near Foxboro?
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CromartiesKid21 : 2/13/2020 7:38 am : link
In comment 14810167 j_rud said:
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him?



Chargers?
Bucs?



Tennessee would be a great fit


49ers can easily move on from Garrappolo cap wise. I'd be all over Stafford if I were them.

Heck if Garrappolo is such a good teammate he can stay and be Stafford's injury risk backup as the 49ers would plow through the NFC if they can get a veteran QB who throws a viable deep ball
Please stop  
JaxGiant : 2/13/2020 7:38 am : link
No one's getting traded and Chase Young isn't coming here. Everyone's getting their hopes up. Every year, the media over values the QBs and then draft night rolls around and these guys drop like rocks.

Giants will be picking 4th and the only trade will possibly be with the Lions and Miami. Lions hold all the cards.
Aready refuted by their GM...  
CromartiesKid21 : 2/13/2020 7:40 am : link
Detroit Lions GM Bob Quinn shoots down Matthew Stafford trade rumors: '100% False!!'
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RE: Please stop  
j_rud : 2/13/2020 7:53 am : link
In comment 14810170 JaxGiant said:
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No one's getting traded and Chase Young isn't coming here. Everyone's getting their hopes up. Every year, the media over values the QBs and then draft night rolls around and these guys drop like rocks.

Giants will be picking 4th and the only trade will possibly be with the Lions and Miami. Lions hold all the cards.


Im not saying its likely that Chase Young drops, that there is a flurry of trades, or anything like that. But i will say its foolish to speak in absolutes about the draft. Every year fans and media think they know how it will play out and every year there are up to half a dozen 1st round curveballs that most didnt see coming.
RE: Aready refuted by their GM...  
j_rud : 2/13/2020 7:57 am : link
In comment 14810172 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Detroit Lions GM Bob Quinn shoots down Matthew Stafford trade rumors: '100% False!!' Link - ( New Window )


It would be incredibly counterproductive to not refute it.
I've been saying this for awhile...  
Dnew15 : 2/13/2020 8:00 am : link
the NFL QB landscape is going to really change this year.

This year's QB crop (draft/FA) is forcing a lot of teams to look hard in the mirror and ask themselves, "Do we think we can win a SB with Carr/Stafford/Rivers/Tannehill/Bridgewater/Jimmy G/etc"?

If the answer is no - it's time to move on.

There's only two kinds of QBs that win Super Bowls now-a-days...1.) QBs on rookie deals AND 2.) future HOF QBs
RE: Is Patricia on thin enough ice  
Big Blue '56 : 2/13/2020 8:01 am : link
In comment 14810158 j_rud said:
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that he is in Win Now mode, or does he gamble that a rookie QB can buy him time?Thats the key IMO.


The second I read this, McAdoo flashed into my head. Had he played the rookie, instead of Geno after sitting Eli, he might, MIGHT have, bought himself time/another year.
RE: Aready refuted by their GM...  
V.I.G. : 2/13/2020 8:04 am : link
In comment 14810172 CromartiesKid21 said:
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Detroit Lions GM Bob Quinn shoots down Matthew Stafford trade rumors: '100% False!!' Link - ( New Window )

“We didn’t sign him to trade him”...
RE: Who would want  
Section331 : 2/13/2020 8:22 am : link
In comment 14810163 section125 said:
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him?


Stafford is a very good QB. Any contending team with a shaky starting QB will definitely take a ling hard look at him. He'd be a great fit for Arians in TB.
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pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 8:23 am : link
Andrew Brandt
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Any rumor of a trade of Matt Stafford is pure folly. The Lions, in the way they have structured repeated contracts, have made him untradeable. Would cost them $32M in Cap for him to NOT be there.
RE: RE: Who would want  
section125 : 2/13/2020 8:30 am : link
In comment 14810188 Section331 said:
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Stafford is a very good QB. Any contending team with a shaky starting QB will definitely take a ling hard look at him. He'd be a great fit for Arians in TB.


He may maybe very good, but he is hurt all the time.
Put me in the minority  
DonQuixote : 2/13/2020 8:31 am : link
I think Stafford is a good QB, good enough to win, and the lions should trade down and build the team.
We are in the Silly season  
Manning10 : 2/13/2020 8:32 am : link
These writers need to justify their existence (and Pay check)
by coming up with this stuff. Plenty more to come before the draft.
Tom Brady?  
George from PA : 2/13/2020 8:34 am : link
Could Lions target be Tom Brady.

RE: RE: Is Patricia on thin enough ice  
CromartiesKid21 : 2/13/2020 8:45 am : link
In comment 14810184 Big Blue '56 said:
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that he is in Win Now mode, or does he gamble that a rookie QB can buy him time?Thats the key IMO.



The second I read this, McAdoo flashed into my head. Had he played the rookie, instead of Geno after sitting Eli, he might, MIGHT have, bought himself time/another year.


McAdoo likely knew Davis Webb was trash as he was a forced pick by Chris Mara
RE: RE: RE: Is Patricia on thin enough ice  
section125 : 2/13/2020 8:50 am : link
In comment 14810198 CromartiesKid21 said:
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that he is in Win Now mode, or does he gamble that a rookie QB can buy him time?Thats the key IMO.



The second I read this, McAdoo flashed into my head. Had he played the rookie, instead of Geno after sitting Eli, he might, MIGHT have, bought himself time/another year.



McAdoo likely knew Davis Webb was trash as he was a forced pick by Chris Mara


The pitch to Mara was for Webb to play, not Geno.

When Eli pouted and decided to sit himself rather than start the game and let Webb play the 2nd half it opened the door for Geno. Why Webb did not play the 2nd half is a question for McAdoo as that was the request.
RE: I've been saying this for awhile...  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/13/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 14810183 Dnew15 said:
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the NFL QB landscape is going to really change this year.

This year's QB crop (draft/FA) is forcing a lot of teams to look hard in the mirror and ask themselves, "Do we think we can win a SB with Carr/Stafford/Rivers/Tannehill/Bridgewater/Jimmy G/etc"?

If the answer is no - it's time to move on.

There's only two kinds of QBs that win Super Bowls now-a-days...1.) QBs on rookie deals AND 2.) future HOF QBs


That's a fine theory, but one would think the answer to the key question about winning a Superbowl -with Stafford the answer should be a resounding YES!

HE just turned 32 this month, has 40,000+ career passing yards, and if his health is good and body strong should pass 60,000 career passing yards... Or at least could likely pass for that many.

He's HOF quality if he'd land somewhere with a serious supporting cast.

Lots of comeback wins and game winning drives on his CV.
I'm not sure how you're coming up  
Dnew15 : 2/13/2020 9:04 am : link
with a resounding YES.

Dude has been playing in the NFL for 11 years has ZERO playoff wins.

He's 32 yrs old coming off major a major back injury..and that team as a whole is not very good.

Stafford can sling it - don't get me wrong - but he's done nothing in his 11 yr career to make me think he's a Super Bowl winning QB.
Some people see BBI  
Giant John : 2/13/2020 9:09 am : link
As their fantasyland. Sometimes its even entertaining.
RE: RE: RE: Who would want  
Gruber : 2/13/2020 9:11 am : link
In comment 14810167 j_rud said:
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him?



Chargers?
Bucs?



Tennessee would be a great fit


Yeah, that's not far from California. They have beaches there.
A week or two ago  
Jay on the Island : 2/13/2020 9:18 am : link
There was a rumor going around that Patricia and Stafford have a tumultuous relationship.
This is nonsense  
AdamBrag : 2/13/2020 9:21 am : link
Stafford's cap hit for 2020 is $21.3 million.

If Stafford is traded, the dead cap for the Lions for 2020 would be $32 million.
The Giants stink  
Harvest Blend : 2/13/2020 9:27 am : link
but at least it's sort of fun for a couple of months a year.

As for Stafford, Patricia can try to save his job all he wants but whether Stafford or a rookie is starting they'll still stink too.

Eat the cap hit and draft a new QB.
This  
AcidTest : 2/13/2020 9:27 am : link
is more proof that we are officially in the "silly season." As others have noted, the Lions would have a $32M cap hit by trading Stafford. There is no way they are eating that, no matter how much cap money they have. That doesn't mean they won't take a QB, although I'd still be surprised if they do. But I don't see them trading Stafford.
that roster is flat out bad..  
Dnew15 : 2/13/2020 9:41 am : link
and Stafford's contract is terrible.

I think Stafford will stay in Detroit b/c no one is going to take on that deal.

If I'm the Lions front office - if I could find someone to take it - I'd eat the dead money on Stafford and start over with a rookie QB and take this year to ship off some of those aging expensive vets like Slay and Harrison - see what I can get via trades. Take all the dead money hits in one year and get it over with. That roster is injury prone - aging - and expensive.

Of course - Patricia isn't going to want to do this with his job on the chopping block...so...it looks like they'll punt this move down the road a year and start over with a new QB in the draft next year and a new head coach/GM combo.
RE: This is nonsense  
V.I.G. : 2/13/2020 9:42 am : link
In comment 14810237 AdamBrag said:
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Stafford's cap hit for 2020 is $21.3 million.

If Stafford is traded, the dead cap for the Lions for 2020 would be $32 million.

So what? What was OBJ’s cap hit?
RE: I mentioned about a month ago that  
Scyber : 2/13/2020 9:46 am : link
In comment 14810159 Diver_Down said:
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Detroit would be looking to draft a QB. With the $32M in dead cap for Stafford for this year, I just assumed that he would serve as the bridge for this year. Of course, they have the space to take the hit.


His cap hit is $21.3m this year though. Yes that is a ton of dead cap, but it only "costs" them $~10m to move on. The chance of them having the #3 pick again is low.
RE: RE: I mentioned about a month ago that  
Dnew15 : 2/13/2020 9:50 am : link
The chance of them having the #3 pick again is low. [/quote]

Not if they roll the same game plan back again this year.
I think the dead money hit  
Dnew15 : 2/13/2020 9:53 am : link
on OBJ was 19.75 mil last year...is that right?
RE: RE: RE: Who would want  
micky : 2/13/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14810167 j_rud said:
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him?



Chargers?
Bucs?



Tennessee would be a great fit


Tenn is happy with Tanneyhill. End od story
RE: Please stop  
bigblue5611_2 : 2/13/2020 10:12 am : link
In comment 14810170 JaxGiant said:
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No one's getting traded and Chase Young isn't coming here. Everyone's getting their hopes up. Every year, the media over values the QBs and then draft night rolls around and these guys drop like rocks.

Giants will be picking 4th and the only trade will possibly be with the Lions and Miami. Lions hold all the cards.


Wasn't there "little to no chance" that Josh Allen was going to fall to 6 last year? Granted the Giants opted for Jones, but to echo what j_rud said, to speak in absolutes when it comes to the draft (outside of the number 1 pick maybe) is silly. You never know what can or will happen.
Regardless of what you think of Stafford  
Dr. D : 2/13/2020 10:34 am : link
as a QB, he just missed the last half of the last season due to multiple fractures in his spine; that actually happened the previous season. And he also had a hip problem.

While he's not real old for a QB, a broken back and bad hip could move up his retirement clock, possibly by a lot.

If I were the Lions and liked one of the QBs coming out, I'd be picking one. Whether they can trade Stafford is a diff story.
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Section331 : 2/13/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 14810192 section125 said:
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He may maybe very good, but he is hurt all the time.


Before missing half of this season, he played all 16 games for 8 straight seasons.
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Dr. D : 2/13/2020 10:38 am : link
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He may maybe very good, but he is hurt all the time.



Before missing half of this season, he played all 16 games for 8 straight seasons.

and then he broke his back and developed a hip problem. Past performance doesn't mean shit.
There is ZERO CHANCE the Lions are taking a 32 million dollar  
ZogZerg : 2/13/2020 12:26 pm : link
cap hit to trade Stafford.
More off-season BS.
RE: I'm not sure how you're coming up  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/13/2020 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14810212 Dnew15 said:
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with a resounding YES.

Dude has been playing in the NFL for 11 years has ZERO playoff wins.

He's 32 yrs old coming off major a major back injury..and that team as a whole is not very good.

Stafford can sling it - don't get me wrong - but he's done nothing in his 11 yr career to make me think he's a Super Bowl winning QB.


Well you agree he can sling it.

I think you're making a call mmon error here when judging Stafford by playoff W/L. It's a team game, and he's been playing for Detroit all these years.

Lucky for Barry Sanders few people judge his career by playoff victories, eh?
RE: Who would want  
OC2.0 : 2/13/2020 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14810163 section125 said:
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Lets see: LA, TB, Chi, Jax, Indy, LV, Cha maybe others.
Common  
BlueLou'sBack : 2/13/2020 12:35 pm : link
Not "call Mom"!
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BlueLou'sBack : 2/13/2020 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14810470 OC2.0 said:
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Lets see: LA, TB, Chi, Jax, Indy, LV, Cha maybe others.


LOL, I'd love to see the Lions trade Stafford to the Bears.

Epic!
Brady sort..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/13/2020 12:41 pm : link
of skews the comment, but this isn't really true:

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There's only two kinds of QBs that win Super Bowls now-a-days...1.) QBs on rookie deals AND 2.) future HOF QBs


Nick Foles was just a couple years ago. Jimmy G was a QB for a team leading in the 4th quarter. Matt Ryan was a QB on a team leading in the 4th quarter.

When Brady comprises a good portion of the SB winners, it tends to skew opinions.
RE: Brady sort..  
Dnew15 : 2/13/2020 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14810483 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of skews the comment, but this isn't really true:



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There's only two kinds of QBs that win Super Bowls now-a-days...1.) QBs on rookie deals AND 2.) future HOF QBs



Nick Foles was just a couple years ago. Jimmy G was a QB for a team leading in the 4th quarter. Matt Ryan was a QB on a team leading in the 4th quarter.

When Brady comprises a good portion of the SB winners, it tends to skew opinions.


Jimmy G didn't win one - nor do I think he ever will.
Matt Ryan is a future HOF.
Nick Foles is the anomaly in the that statement - of course - Wetz (on his rookie deal) essentially got them into the playoffs, BUT you are correct - he did win it.
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Dnew15 : 2/13/2020 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14810466 BlueLou'sBack said:
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with a resounding YES.

Dude has been playing in the NFL for 11 years has ZERO playoff wins.

He's 32 yrs old coming off major a major back injury..and that team as a whole is not very good.

Stafford can sling it - don't get me wrong - but he's done nothing in his 11 yr career to make me think he's a Super Bowl winning QB.



Well you agree he can sling it.

I think you're making a call mmon error here when judging Stafford by playoff W/L. It's a team game, and he's been playing for Detroit all these years.

Lucky for Barry Sanders few people judge his career by playoff victories, eh?


Jeff George could also sling it.

Stafford's career record is 69-79-1.

Of course, he has played for one of the worst franchises in league history and the teams he has played on weren't other worldly good.

I hope your not one of those DG/PS your record is the most important factor in whether or not you're good.

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