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NFT: NHL Trade Deadline Discussion - A Week and a Half out

pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 10:03 am
The next 7 days will solidify some things, teams hanging on to wild card hope will fade and become sellers (Canadiens) and other teams will thrive and become buyers CBJ, PHI

There will be injuries (McDavid, Bouwemeister) that could make some teams in contention become buyers or other injuries (Weber) that enforce other teams should be sellers.

Right now the Athletic has articles of both the top players (from Custance) likely to be traded and top prospects (from Pronman) likely to be traded.

The players include Kreider (#1), Kovalchuck (where did his resurrection come from?), Hoffman, Georgiev, etc.

and prospects include Puljujarvi, Lias Andersson, Honka, Bracco (etc.)

I thought this year the deadline might be active, but the list of names seems really bereft of marquee players, so who knows.

I don't know what to expect.

Seems like a sellers market though even if NHL teams are hesitant to trade for rentals.
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RE: pj, you don't want to refresh this thread  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14812849 ColHowPepper said:
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to a more recent date....or I guess you want only true believers, acolytes, and devotees, make 'em hunt? (:

lol, maybe I'll start a new one tomorrow - or feel free yourself. a lot of hockey fans on here

another trade heightening the value of Kreider, etc.

John Shannon
@JShannonhl
· 4m
Canucks make it Official:
Canucks acquired right wing Tyler Toffoli from Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Tim Schaller, Canucks 2020 2nd round pick in the NHL Draft, rights to unsigned draft choice Tyler Madden and a conditional 4th round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft.
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pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 9:02 pm : link
Hockey 24|7
@iamhockey1
·
4m
#bruins have offered a first round pick and a B level prospect for Chris Kreider. #rangers would like to re-sign him but the asking price of 6x6 is too much.
6 by 6 is a bargain for him  
Davisian : 2/17/2020 9:11 pm : link
He'd get 7+ for at least 7 on the open market.

I want Charlie Coyle, one of their top 3 forward prospects and a first from those assholes if they're gonna get Kreider.

RE: 6 by 6 is a bargain for him  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 6:38 am : link
In comment 14812860 Davisian said:
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He'd get 7+ for at least 7 on the open market.

I want Charlie Coyle, one of their top 3 forward prospects and a first from those assholes if they're gonna get Kreider.


The latest on the draft is that it is elite in the top third or so.

Maybe get an upgrade in prospect as you suggest and first round in 2021?
I'm starting  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 8:54 am : link
to read "average draft" many scouts backing off claims of the draft being very deep (as initially thought) as they put together rankings/draft write-ups.

Top of the draft is strong, but from what I read, 15 - 60 sounds pretty interchangeable. Which may be why first/second round picks are moving.

Comparing to 2019, not sure you're getting Kaliyev, Hoglander, Sameul Fagemo or Nick Robertson (for example) in the second this year.

but who knows.
Rangers have to sign him  
Kyle in NY : 2/18/2020 9:19 am : link
if the ask is 6x6
Bruins 1st + mid-level prospect  
ColHowPepper : 2/18/2020 9:21 am : link
That's easy to turn down, almost insulting. I know very little re Toffoli. Where do you think he'd rank value-wise, compared to, say, a Stepan or Brassard (I know, positions not equivalent)
I agree  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:21 am : link
It's a very reasonable ask, assuming that's an accurate figure.

Here's the thing: when you sign someone like Panarin, you are committing yourself to contending sometime in the next few years. I'm having a hard time seeing how dealing Kreider moves them towards that goal. Figure something else out. Personally, I'd start with trying to deal Trouba.
Toffoli certainly isn't on Stepan's level at the time of the trade  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:25 am : link
Stepan was an excellent defensive center who was a consistent 50+ point producer.
As a Rangers fan  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:27 am : link
the friggin suspense is killing me!!
RE: I agree  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:29 am : link
In comment 14813035 Greg from LI said:
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It's a very reasonable ask, assuming that's an accurate figure.

Here's the thing: when you sign someone like Panarin, you are committing yourself to contending sometime in the next few years. I'm having a hard time seeing how dealing Kreider moves them towards that goal. Figure something else out. Personally, I'd start with trying to deal Trouba.


And Winnipeg is desperate for Dmen, lol
I'd take  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 9:30 am : link
Trouba on my team in a heartbeat - at that contract.

Only, MTL will (hopefully) be sellers not buyers.

maybe in the off-season at the draft before his NMC kicks in.

RE: I'd take  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 14813050 pjcas18 said:
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Trouba on my team in a heartbeat - at that contract.

Only, MTL will (hopefully) be sellers not buyers.

maybe in the off-season at the draft before his NMC kicks in.


I agree -- the only reason to consider is that the Rangers pipeline is way overbalanced toward Dmen.
I'd try  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 9:40 am : link
and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.
RE: I'd try  
jv : 2/18/2020 9:45 am : link
In comment 14813068 pjcas18 said:
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and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.

I agree Skjei is my preference. Rangers have LD in the pipeline. K'Andre Miller probably here next season. Rykov improving as he gets fit in returning from injury. Plenty of praise around Robertson as a prospect.
Trouba is a better player, yes  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:51 am : link
But neither has been particularly good this year and Trouba has the bigger contract that becomes an NMC next year. It's now or never to move him.
RE: Trouba is a better player, yes  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14813080 Greg from LI said:
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But neither has been particularly good this year and Trouba has the bigger contract that becomes an NMC next year. It's now or never to move him.


his NMC is effective in July (July 1), so I agree if they're going to move him it likely needs to be either deadline or draft.

RE: RE: I'd try  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 14813072 jv said:
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In comment 14813068 pjcas18 said:


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and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.


I agree Skjei is my preference. Rangers have LD in the pipeline. K'Andre Miller probably here next season. Rykov improving as he gets fit in returning from injury. Plenty of praise around Robertson as a prospect.



Tony D also could and according to some should play LD even though he's a righty. Not sure I understand that, but yeah.
We need some asshat scoop  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 11:10 am : link
Where's Seth when you need him?
RE: We need some asshat scoop  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14813171 Anakim said:
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Where's Seth when you need him?


Hunger strike in support of the Wilpons.
I think Jay Bouwmeester  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 11:31 am : link
career is likely over. He's fortunate to be alive.

I bet STL would be a destination for a D.
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DanMetroMan : 2/18/2020 2:25 pm : link

Sens Communications
@Media_Sens
Trade alert: The #Sens have acquired a 2020 third-round draft pick from
@NHLJets
in exchange for defenceman Dylan DeMelo.
Habs dealing...  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:00 pm : link
Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
· 3m
The Canadiens have acquired St. Louis’ second-round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft (and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2021), in exchange for defenseman Marco Scandella.

#GoHabsGo

https://nhl.com/canadiens/news
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:01 pm : link
pulled off a great move.

Acquired Marco Scandella for a 4th in January, trade him in February for a 2nd.

(to the Blues, who I had pegged as a D destination).

I wouldn't be surprised if they add another D.
CAPS dealing  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:02 pm : link
Washington Capitals
@Capitals
Welcome to Washington, @BDillon04
!!

The Washington Capitals have acquired defenseman Brenden Dillon from the San Jose Sharks for a 2020 second round pick (originally acquired from Colorado) and a conditional 2021 third round pick

Full Details: https://washca.ps/DillonTrade
Nice work  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
JP - keep the updates coming. D flying off the shelves.

Habs  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:17 pm : link
keep 50% of Scandella salary.

MTL now has 3 second round picks for the upcoming draft which will be held in MTL.

Here you go PJ - Habs Draft stacked  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
·
11m
The Montreal #Canadiens now have 12 picks in the upcoming 2020 Entry Draft

5 of those picks are in the first three rounds

1st RD - 1
2nd RD - 3
3rd RD - 1
4th RD - 3
5th RD - 2
6th RD - 1
7th RD - 1
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pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:20 pm : link
Forever Blueshirts
@4EverBlueshirts
·
1m
With 2 games to go before the deadline it’s sound likely that the #NYR will likely scratch Jesper Fast or Chris Kreider for newly acquired Julien Gauthier. The 22 year old beast of a forward is #NHL ready.
Kings-Vegas Deal Getting Close  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:56 pm : link
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
8m
It’s not done yet, but VGK and LA are working to try to finalize a deal that would send defenceman Alec Martinez to the Golden Knights. Most telling sign will be if Martinez is in or out of the Kings’ lineup tonight vs. WPG.
Devils - getting hot!  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
New Jersey Devils 🅙
@NJDevills

#NJDevils
forward Kyle Palmieri will be held out of tonights game for precautionary reasons.
RE: CAPS dealing  
2cents : 2/18/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14813547 JPinstripes said:
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Washington Capitals
@Capitals
Welcome to Washington, @BDillon04
!!

The Washington Capitals have acquired defenseman Brenden Dillon from the San Jose Sharks for a 2020 second round pick (originally acquired from Colorado) and a conditional 2021 third round pick

Full Details: https://washca.ps/DillonTrade


saw a clip of him getting very emotional over the idea of leaving San Jose, seemed genuine and like a good dude. Sucks i have to root against him now.
Seems like Isles are really going after  
Metnut : 2/18/2020 7:31 pm : link
Krieder but want to work out an extension first. For an extended Kreider, I’d offer a 1st, Wilde and Wahlsrom. Maybe even more.
I'd rather see Kreider just walk than see him playing for the fucking  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
Islanders
Kreider and Avs  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
picking up steam. Tatar is allegedly a backup plan if they can't come to agreement.
Hockey buzz  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 10:10 pm : link
reports hearing that chances of Kreider resigning with Rangers have decreased from 50% to 25% over the last couple of days.
Kreider and Boston  
jv : 2/19/2020 7:45 am : link
makes no sense other than he's from the area. Their farm system is among the worst in the league. They have nothing to offer that other teams can't beat with ease.

The Av's make so much sense unless the Islanders overpay.
CK's value to NYR is higher than to any other team  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 7:55 am : link
imo, of course. What I mean by this is that the 'explosion' of his offensive game has come in the context of chemistry and talent of his linemates, and we've not quite seen this game from him before, have we? By saying this I am not saying we should not trade him regardless of the package, only that I think he may not flourish with a different club the same way he has the last 25 games.
Would Kreider  
Jay in Toronto : 2/19/2020 8:41 am : link
have gotten Fote from TB?

The AVs make a lot of sense for a package. They are literally 'hurting' in goal and forward and Georgy plus one or some combination of Kreider, Fast, Strome could make for a blockbuster.
RE: Devils - getting hot!  
Stu11 : 2/19/2020 8:49 am : link
In comment 14813597 JPinstripes said:
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New Jersey Devils 🅙
@NJDevills

#NJDevils
forward Kyle Palmieri will be held out of tonights game for precautionary reasons.

FYI this was a bogus report from a fake Devils page. Be careful of that this time of year. Don't feel bad though Fox sports1 got faked out too they had it on their scroll during the Penn St.-Illinois game that's where I saw it.
had it on their scroll during the Penn St.-Illinois game  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 8:55 am : link
GTFOH (: On this God's green earth, why?
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pjcas18 : 2/19/2020 12:22 pm : link
Forever Blueshirts
@4EverBlueshirts
· 21h
Some noise that Jesper Fast could be traded before game tomorrow. #NYR
that window getting ever tighter  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 12:58 pm : link
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Mercogliano (does a good job for LoHud)  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 1:30 pm : link
damn, still 3 goalies ):
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Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
·
39m
Chris Kreider is watching practice from the bench in a hoodie. A handful of veteran types aren’t skating. No Jesper Fast, either, along with Mika Zibanejad, Artemi Panarin, Pavel Buchnevich, Brady Skjei and Marc Staal.

All 3 goalies are here. #NYR
Now just 4 days left  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 2:41 pm : link
Kase to Boston, but Backes was included - freeing up salary, so the B's could be involved on more.

Also, found this interesting:

Igor Eronko
@IgorEronko
·
1m
Per @SFedotoF
Ilya Sorokin's rights are gonna be traded to the Blackhawks soon. I'm hearing the opposite. Lou met Sorokin's agent. There're some requirements from Ilya's side, A and B bonuses and Euro clause. 99% chance Sorokin coming to the NHL next year #Isles
#Blackhawks
Sorokin's a really talented netminder  
Torrag : 2/21/2020 2:49 pm : link
Personally I always ranked Igor just above him based on his elite rebound control but it's a coin toss.
Sounds like it's done  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 3:30 pm : link


Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
· 13m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin’s rights to Chicago.
Dreger took it back already and said chicago confirmed no deal  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2020 3:31 pm : link
so who knows. If they do trade Sorokin to Chicago, I wouldn't mind Lehner coming back the other way.
RE: Sounds like it's done  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14815727 pjcas18 said:
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Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
· 13m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin’s rights to Chicago.


backtrack.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
·
4m
Sorokin has not been traded to Chicago. Despite the fact his teammates and others in Moscow believed to this be the case. Chicago sources have confirmed no trade. My mistake.
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pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 3:49 pm : link
J
@Account4hockey
· 2m
Elliotte Friedman on CHED630:

NYI, COL still interested in Kreider. BOS preferred a RW vs LW. Kreider more likely to be traded than re-signed. If WSH could move Nick Jensen maybe they would go in. STL lurking. People think Pageau wants to stay in OTT.
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