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NFT: NHL Trade Deadline Discussion - A Week and a Half out

pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 10:03 am
The next 7 days will solidify some things, teams hanging on to wild card hope will fade and become sellers (Canadiens) and other teams will thrive and become buyers CBJ, PHI

There will be injuries (McDavid, Bouwemeister) that could make some teams in contention become buyers or other injuries (Weber) that enforce other teams should be sellers.

Right now the Athletic has articles of both the top players (from Custance) likely to be traded and top prospects (from Pronman) likely to be traded.

The players include Kreider (#1), Kovalchuck (where did his resurrection come from?), Hoffman, Georgiev, etc.

and prospects include Puljujarvi, Lias Andersson, Honka, Bracco (etc.)

I thought this year the deadline might be active, but the list of names seems really bereft of marquee players, so who knows.

I don't know what to expect.

Seems like a sellers market though even if NHL teams are hesitant to trade for rentals.
Also  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 10:22 am : link
Scott Wheeler, scout, prospect expert, etc. ranked the prospect pools for the Athletic.

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To be eligible for inclusion as a prospect, a player must be:

Under 23 years old. We now know that by the time a player turns 23, he is largely done the steep upward progression we see in prospects and will begin to plateau.
Not currently in the NHL, with rare exceptions for players who I believe could still bounce between levels and aren’t yet considered full-time NHLers by their teams. Though this is the only arbitrary section of the criteria, preference for exemption was given to teenaged players, rather than 22-year-olds.
Either signed to an NHL contract or selected in the entry draft, without the expiration of either of those rights.

goalies were 24, not 23.

The top 10:
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The Ranking

1. Los Angeles Kings

2. Montreal Canadiens

3. Carolina Hurricanes

4. New York Rangers

5. Colorado Avalanche

6. Anaheim Ducks

7. Ottawa Senators

8. Philadelphia Flyers

9. Detroit Red Wings

10. Vegas Golden Knights


He likes Lundqvist a lot. In fact 5 of the Rangers top 6 prospects are D (Lundkvist, Miller, Jones, Keane and Robertson) with Kravstov at #2.

So many D in fact maybe the Rangers should trade some.

And that 5/6 doesn't even count Rykov or Hajek.

I still can't believe the Kings draft last year. Turcotte, Bjornfoot, and Kaliyev top 3 picks. Their system is loaded.

Habs have a good system too even, like the Rangers, graduating quite a few young players.

All of this is available to read at the Athletic
Some Devils news  
Jay on the Island : 2/13/2020 10:25 am : link
The Athletic’s Craig Custance reports there are “six or seven teams” in on Sami Vatanen ahead of the trade deadline.
RE: Some Devils news  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14810306 Jay on the Island said:
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The Athletic’s Craig Custance reports there are “six or seven teams” in on Sami Vatanen ahead of the trade deadline.


#5 on Custance's list of players likely to be moved.
Vatanen  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 10:34 am : link
not on ice for morning skate (per Amanda Stein twitter).

No reason provided.
RE: Vatanen  
Stu11 : 2/13/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14810321 pjcas18 said:
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not on ice for morning skate (per Amanda Stein twitter).

No reason provided.

He's been hurt lately and missed some time. I said months ago the Devs could get a 1st rounder for him and I stick by it. There just aren't many Dmen available that a contender can plug right into their top 4 no problem.
RE: RE: Vatanen  
Jay on the Island : 2/13/2020 10:46 am : link
In comment 14810331 Stu11 said:
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not on ice for morning skate (per Amanda Stein twitter).

No reason provided.


He's been hurt lately and missed some time. I said months ago the Devs could get a 1st rounder for him and I stick by it. There just aren't many Dmen available that a contender can plug right into their top 4 no problem.

It is possible. He is having a very productive season and he has a very reasonable cap hit. I think a 2nd and a 3rd is more likely but I wouldn't be surprised if they landed a late 1st.
RE: Vatanen  
Jay on the Island : 2/13/2020 10:48 am : link
In comment 14810321 pjcas18 said:
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not on ice for morning skate (per Amanda Stein twitter).

No reason provided.

I was just posting for the Devil fans without an Athletic subscription. Unfortunately this is all we have left to look forward to.
I think Petry  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 10:56 am : link
is a lot better than Vatanen, but MTL won't trade him.

they should. but they'd have no D.
NYR: because of that d-man depth  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2020 11:00 am : link
been saying I'd much rather see them deal d'Angelo than Kreider. They would miss his offensive spark, no question, esp. on PP, but he remains a liability on d. I'm sure many will disagree both prongs and prefer part ways with K and keep d'A. In each case depends who they get back.

Lundqvist has been having a heckuva season, as has the Fin forward Panjuniemi.
Carolina  
Scott in Montreal : 2/13/2020 11:02 am : link
I think that Petry would be a nice fit with the Canes but I doubt that a trade will happen. 1- the whole Aho thing and 2- Bergevin is a tool and is going to ask for too much

My second choice would be Minnesota's Matt Dumba. Young and solid defenceman. Will pair up nice once Hamilton comes back.

For some reason there are a lot of Canes fans talking about trading Mzarek and someone else to Chicago for Lehner. Apparently it was mentioned once on nhltraderumors.me.
I think that would be a stupid move since Lehner is a UFA and will be asking for a tonne of money next year. Unless they feel that Alex Nedeljkovic is going to be the guy next season and they let Lehner walk. Which would be very unlike the Canes.
RE: NYR: because of that d-man depth  
Percy : 2/13/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 14810352 ColHowPepper said:
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been saying I'd much rather see them deal d'Angelo than Kreider. They would miss his offensive spark, no question, esp. on PP, but he remains a liability on d. I'm sure many will disagree both prongs and prefer part ways with K and keep d'A. In each case depends who they get back.

Lundqvist has been having a heckuva season, as has the Fin forward Panjuniemi.


Keep 'em both and let Hank go.
RE: NYR: because of that d-man depth  
ShockNRoll : 2/13/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14810352 ColHowPepper said:
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been saying I'd much rather see them deal d'Angelo than Kreider. They would miss his offensive spark, no question, esp. on PP, but he remains a liability on d. I'm sure many will disagree both prongs and prefer part ways with K and keep d'A. In each case depends who they get back.

Lundqvist has been having a heckuva season, as has the Fin forward Panjuniemi.


Personally, I'd rather see them trade Skjei and sign Tony. I know signing both Tony and Kreider is going to be difficult, but if they can somehow make it work, Henrik/Smith/Staal come off the books after next season, which frees up a ton of money. Skjei could be an attractive option for some teams, as he is not just a rental, he has potential, and may benefit from a change of scenery. Rangers would likely have to retain some salary, but a team might take a flier on Skjei, even though he hasn't really lived up to the expectations that were set 3 years ago when he was paired with Smith making the Rangers' best D pair that season.
Isles needed a C before Czikas injury, now they may need 2  
Eric on Li : 2/13/2020 11:10 am : link
JGP would be a great add unless his price goes up to a first. Don't think he's worth that as a rental. If it's conditional on resigning I'd consider it.

At this point it would seem almost guaranteed they at least add a vet like Nate Thompson or Trevor Lewis, but I hope they aim a little higher. I could very well see Lou going back to 1 of his old guys like Zajac or even Henrique if they can find a way to do it without clogging up too much future payroll since Barzal/Pulock are about to get paid.
I'd rather trade Trouba than TDA  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2020 11:12 am : link
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Nate Thompson  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 11:15 am : link
should definitely be traded. Good bottom 6 forward, can win face-offs, can play PK. Physical.

he has no role on the Habs but to steal min from a younger player.
Skjei 'n Shock  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2020 11:15 am : link
S&R, don't necessarily disagree, but, as you suggest, his trade value might not move the needle much in terms of fortifying the roster.

Percy, NYR cannot
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let Hank go
He has to want to go, waive the NMC and some team has to want him.
RE: I'd rather trade Trouba than TDA  
Percy : 2/13/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 14810368 Greg from LI said:
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Absolutely.
If the Devils do move Vatanen  
Jay on the Island : 2/13/2020 11:26 am : link
if they don't land a 1st for him I would prefer a a goalie prospect as opposed to a 2nd and another pick. I am high on Blackwood but the Devils have nothing else in their system in net besides Gilles Senn but his ceiling is most likely a backup.
If I'm JD I'm keeping Trouba, Lundqvist and Fox ...  
Torrag : 2/13/2020 11:27 am : link
I'm shopping all my other 'D'. They suck. DeAngelo makes me want to kill myself his defense is so bad. Hajek can maybe be an effective 3rd pair guy.
RE: I'd rather trade Trouba than TDA  
Anakim : 2/13/2020 11:29 am : link
In comment 14810368 Greg from LI said:
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Agreed
RE: If I'm JD I'm keeping Trouba, Lundqvist and Fox ...  
Anakim : 2/13/2020 11:32 am : link
In comment 14810392 Torrag said:
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I'm shopping all my other 'D'. They suck. DeAngelo makes me want to kill myself his defense is so bad. Hajek can maybe be an effective 3rd pair guy.


Tony D is one of the best offensive defensemen in the NHL right now. If we trade him, he should be the headliner in a package that should net us a young star.
BTW  
Anakim : 2/13/2020 11:33 am : link
Can I just say that I fucking miss Arcarsenal? Where the hell is he? Hope he's okay.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 2/13/2020 11:35 am : link
How did VAN get so good?

East has the top four teams and 7 of the top ten. Far better conference. The playoffs are going to be fun.
'Tony D is one of the best offensive defensemen in the NHL right now.'  
Torrag : 2/13/2020 11:36 am : link
G'bye. He's one of the main culprits in turnovers that end up in the back of our net and he's soft in front as well. I'll take the stud prospect and consider myself lucky we could cash in on his offense.
RE: BTW  
Kyle in NY : 2/13/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14810398 Anakim said:
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Can I just say that I fucking miss Arcarsenal? Where the hell is he? Hope he's okay.


Very much missed, a bit worrisome that he just disappeared from here
RE: 'Tony D is one of the best offensive defensemen in the NHL right now.'  
Anakim : 2/13/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 14810404 Torrag said:
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G'bye. He's one of the main culprits in turnovers that end up in the back of our net and he's soft in front as well. I'll take the stud prospect and consider myself lucky we could cash in on his offense.


Seriously? The guy has 42 points in 55 games. The only defensemen who have more points than him this year are Roman Josi, John Carlson, Victor Hedman, Alex Pietrangelo and Quinn Hughes. He's only 24 and hasn't even hit his prime yet.

They need to either re-sign him to a long-term deal or trade him as a headliner for a huge get (like a Yandle-type of trade)
'Seriously?'  
Torrag : 2/13/2020 11:50 am : link
Very seriously. The next puck battle he wins in our end will be the first. I have no use for defenseman that suck at defending. He sucks. If I have to watch the other team cycle our zone and get a grade A scoring chance again because of him I'll puke. If we didn't have one of the best goalie corps in the NHL bailing him out every night he'd be a net -15.
You were one of the guys who used to think Girardi was a terrific  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2020 11:52 am : link
defenseman, weren't you?
Girardi was a good defenseman until he lost his wheels  
Torrag : 2/13/2020 11:57 am : link
I think he would have been best served as a second pair guy that was overcast due to necessity. So no to answer your question.

That said , to me, a defenseman's first responsibility and core attribute is being able to defend effectively. Not Chara level, just decent. DeAngelo isn't a decent defender. He's a bad one.
RE: Isles needed a C before Czikas injury, now they may need 2  
JayBinQueens : 2/13/2020 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14810365 Eric on Li said:
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JGP would be a great add unless his price goes up to a first. Don't think he's worth that as a rental. If it's conditional on resigning I'd consider it.

At this point it would seem almost guaranteed they at least add a vet like Nate Thompson or Trevor Lewis, but I hope they aim a little higher. I could very well see Lou going back to 1 of his old guys like Zajac or even Henrique if they can find a way to do it without clogging up too much future payroll since Barzal/Pulock are about to get paid.

I think I heard a little bit ago Zajac didn't want to waive his NTC to come to the NYI.

They definitely need to make a move for a F, ideally a C. They sent Wilde back so now they have room to bring on 2 contracts. I don't expect much, if anything but there's hope.. .
A bit over the top  
Kyle in NY : 2/13/2020 12:14 pm : link
but I do agree that TDA struggles in his own end and is frequently the victim of the endless cycle for the other team. Now there's a debate to be had about how important that is in today's game. I'll certainly take Tony over the "defensive defensemen" type that can't complete a pass out of his zone to save his life (Marc Staal's entire career).

But I wouldn't be opposed to trying to cash in on his value now given he's shooting at a very high percentage, he's an RFA after the season, Fox looks great and Nils is in the pipeline.
DeAngelo  
PaulN : 2/13/2020 12:15 pm : link
Is a horrible defenseman, with Lundqvist and Keane ready to step in next year I would try and trade him and include a Staal, Lundqvist, or Smith and try and off a contract, get a top prospect or two ready to play next season and load up with first and second round picks in this draft, this draft is 2 rounds deep and is a great draft, the Rangers must take advantage, the Bruins and Blues are both wanting to add and they may be desperate enough to be had. Trouba is the 2nd best 2 way defenseman on the team, Fox is the best, DeAngelo is all offense, at his age and point in his career, plus with the depth in our system, you may be able to hit it big trading him. Trouba is needed on this, trade him and the team would not have enough defenseman who play defense.
For the guys who want to trade Trouba  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2020 12:22 pm : link
think that would be a big mistake. I'll grant that maybe he hasn't lived up to the size of his contract, still early. But this team sorely needs his physical presence. He's not even an enforcer in the sense of 'drop the gloves' type to keep other teams honest, he doesn't have to be.

The roster is shy tough, physical presences, pretty much across the board, unless you want to count the pesky, valuable in his way Lemieux. The next most physical guy we have is Lindgren, still very green. (By the way, did anyone notice when Lindgren was objecting to Laine's shove in front of the net, and Lindgren gave two shoves back, Laine barely budged, looked at Lindgren as if he were a gnat. It was funny, but not).

Trading Trouba would leave a huge hole.
Tony  
ShockNRoll : 2/13/2020 12:24 pm : link
Personally, his offensive production, to me, is worth the headaches he causes in his own end. If they can pair him with a more effective defensive defenseman than Staal, that could cover up some of those deficits he has and let him really focus on moving the puck and contributing offensively. It's hard to find a D who is as offensively gifted as Tony is, and he's only going to get better on both ends of the ice. I would hate to give up on him and have him really fine tune his defensive game elsewhere. It's also not like he's a guy like Sheldon Souray who would have 60-70 points but be a -25 or -30. Tony's +10 on the year. I know +/- isn't the most meaningful stat, but given that the Rangers are a young and rebuilding team, for him to be +10 is surprising given how much he struggles on defense and turning the puck over in the defensive zone.
So you think  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 12:24 pm : link
DeAngelo is a "horrible defenseman" and a pending RFA and the Rangers should trade him combined with an anchor contract (albeit just short term) in Smith, Staal, or Hank and the acquiring team should give the Rangers 1 or 2 prospects ready to play next year and a bevy of 2nd and 3rd round picks?

Sounds fair.
sorry  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 12:25 pm : link
1st and 2nd round picks.
RE: Tony  
Kyle in NY : 2/13/2020 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14810454 ShockNRoll said:
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Personally, his offensive production, to me, is worth the headaches he causes in his own end. If they can pair him with a more effective defensive defenseman than Staal, that could cover up some of those deficits he has and let him really focus on moving the puck and contributing offensively. It's hard to find a D who is as offensively gifted as Tony is, and he's only going to get better on both ends of the ice. I would hate to give up on him and have him really fine tune his defensive game elsewhere. It's also not like he's a guy like Sheldon Souray who would have 60-70 points but be a -25 or -30. Tony's +10 on the year. I know +/- isn't the most meaningful stat, but given that the Rangers are a young and rebuilding team, for him to be +10 is surprising given how much he struggles on defense and turning the puck over in the defensive zone.


I agree with this. That point production from a D doesn't just grow on trees. If they had bought low on a multi-year contract this past offseason and he was locked up for a few years at a good rate I don't think I'd be thinking trade. It's just that he'll be looking at a major raise in arbitration after the year considering where he's going to rank points wise for defensemen. Some tough decisions to make and we'd be dealing from a position of strength
RE: For the guys who want to trade Trouba  
ShockNRoll : 2/13/2020 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14810452 ColHowPepper said:
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think that would be a big mistake. I'll grant that maybe he hasn't lived up to the size of his contract, still early. But this team sorely needs his physical presence. He's not even an enforcer in the sense of 'drop the gloves' type to keep other teams honest, he doesn't have to be.

The roster is shy tough, physical presences, pretty much across the board, unless you want to count the pesky, valuable in his way Lemieux. The next most physical guy we have is Lindgren, still very green. (By the way, did anyone notice when Lindgren was objecting to Laine's shove in front of the net, and Lindgren gave two shoves back, Laine barely budged, looked at Lindgren as if he were a gnat. It was funny, but not).

Trading Trouba would leave a huge hole.


I think it's evident that Trouba has not lived up to the expectations coming in, especially when you consider how good Pionk has been in Winnipeg. That said, I also think it would be a mistake to get rid of him. He's in his first year in NYC, paired with Skjei who has, in my opinion, regressed since his 2016-17 season where he was one of the top D on the team. I am all for going forward with Trouba, Fox, Lindgren, and Tony, hoping that any 2 of Lundkvist, Miller, Rykov and Hajek can round out the top 6. That said, unless the Rangers can find a way to trade Skjei, he's under contract until 2024, either forcing Tony or Trouba out, or blocking one of those guys from cracking the lineup.
Have to consider handedness  
Kyle in NY : 2/13/2020 12:55 pm : link
when penciling in the future defense group though. I'd probably be more inclined to shop Skeji above them all, but after years of struggling to find RHD, we're now pretty well stocked on that side while LHD like Skeji and Lindgren are a bit more rare among the top guys in the organization. On the right side along there's Trouba, Fox, TDA, with Nils and Keane in the pipeline. Someone has to go if they're not asking them to switch sides.

I've always thought it shouldn't be too much to ask a talented guy to play on his opposite side but we seem extremely opposed to that.
RE: Have to consider handedness  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14810506 Kyle in NY said:
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when penciling in the future defense group though. I'd probably be more inclined to shop Skeji above them all, but after years of struggling to find RHD, we're now pretty well stocked on that side while LHD like Skeji and Lindgren are a bit more rare among the top guys in the organization. On the right side along there's Trouba, Fox, TDA, with Nils and Keane in the pipeline. Someone has to go if they're not asking them to switch sides.

I've always thought it shouldn't be too much to ask a talented guy to play on his opposite side but we seem extremely opposed to that.


players can play opposite side on D, and even once in a blue moon a player might prefer it, but analytics supports balanced D pairs (handedness).

I don't think it's much of an issue in situations like PP or even in the offensive zone, but going back for pucks, wrap arounds, breakouts, and some other plays are just awkward to do on your opposite side. You are forced to play on your backhand more which isn't as accurate for most players.

today there is a lack of RHD league wide, more kids fathers are buying in to the theory a RH person is a LH hockey shot.

RE: Skjei 'n Shock  
Percy : 2/13/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14810373 ColHowPepper said:
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S&R, don't necessarily disagree, but, as you suggest, his trade value might not move the needle much in terms of fortifying the roster.

Percy, NYR cannot

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let Hank go

He has to want to go, waive the NMC and some team has to want him.

True. Had lost sight of that. He has to be willing -- money maybe. And you're also right that someone has to want him and it isn't clear anyone does. I still want to keep those two others, though, at just about whatever the cost is.


RE: RE: Have to consider handedness  
Kyle in NY : 2/13/2020 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14810517 pjcas18 said:
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when penciling in the future defense group though. I'd probably be more inclined to shop Skeji above them all, but after years of struggling to find RHD, we're now pretty well stocked on that side while LHD like Skeji and Lindgren are a bit more rare among the top guys in the organization. On the right side along there's Trouba, Fox, TDA, with Nils and Keane in the pipeline. Someone has to go if they're not asking them to switch sides.

I've always thought it shouldn't be too much to ask a talented guy to play on his opposite side but we seem extremely opposed to that.



players can play opposite side on D, and even once in a blue moon a player might prefer it, but analytics supports balanced D pairs (handedness).

I don't think it's much of an issue in situations like PP or even in the offensive zone, but going back for pucks, wrap arounds, breakouts, and some other plays are just awkward to do on your opposite side. You are forced to play on your backhand more which isn't as accurate for most players.

today there is a lack of RHD league wide, more kids fathers are buying in to the theory a RH person is a LH hockey shot.


Yeah I'm right handed in everything but I play hockey left handed. There's definitely fewer right handed players. I get why it's difficult for D, especially at NHL speeds. But if you can just get one top guy who's capable of playing either side if necessary it opens up so many possibilities
Gonchar?  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 1:40 pm : link
is he the last big name to prefer (or be able to play) off side D?

Trotz says you lose a 3rd of the ice by playing off side.

One thing I never got comfortable with in the offensive zone was when the puck gets wrapped around the boards to me at the point and I'm on my off side. There is no smooth reaction to that. Either you're on your backhand and move it back down the boards, go skate to stick, or quickly pivot backhand to forehand perilously close to the blue line.

Whatever benefits there are I think I side with the coaches/GM's who strive for balance.

But in a pinch (a couple games here or there, a few shifts here or there) I wouldn't hesitate to put a D on their off-hand I just think it's a consideration in roster building.

RE: Isles needed a C before Czikas injury, now they may need 2  
Jay on the Island : 2/13/2020 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14810365 Eric on Li said:
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JGP would be a great add unless his price goes up to a first. Don't think he's worth that as a rental. If it's conditional on resigning I'd consider it.

At this point it would seem almost guaranteed they at least add a vet like Nate Thompson or Trevor Lewis, but I hope they aim a little higher. I could very well see Lou going back to 1 of his old guys like Zajac or even Henrique if they can find a way to do it without clogging up too much future payroll since Barzal/Pulock are about to get paid.

A few weeks ago Zajac blocked a trade to an unnamed team in the playoff hunt. It was later revealed that the team was most likely the Islanders. I was very disappointed and surprised when he took advantage of his NMC.
the Atheltic says  
Metnut : 2/13/2020 3:52 pm : link
most likely destinations for Kreider are Pit, NYI and BOS. Doesn't seem like a list of teams NYR would be thrilled to deal with.
11 days  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:11 pm : link
not sure how long he'll be out, but might make it harder to trade him.

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New Jersey Devils
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NEWS: New Jersey has placed D Sami Vatanen (bruised right leg from blocking a shot) on injured reserve, retroactive to 2/1/2020.

The club has recalled Nick Merkley from Binghamton (AHL). He has been assigned #39.
RE: the Atheltic says  
BrettNYG10 : 2/13/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14810662 Metnut said:
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most likely destinations for Kreider are Pit, NYI and BOS. Doesn't seem like a list of teams NYR would be thrilled to deal with.


Murder me pls
RE: the Atheltic says  
Greg from LI : 2/13/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14810662 Metnut said:
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most likely destinations for Kreider are Pit, NYI and BOS. Doesn't seem like a list of teams NYR would be thrilled to deal with.


There is absolutely no way in hell they're going to trade him to the Islanders unless it's an overpay, and I don't know why the Islanders would do that.

Boston would be the most palatable from that list. They traded Nash there, after all.
Shock, pj and metnut  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2020 4:27 pm : link
S&R - I thought Trouba looked much better, flowing movement into neutral ice and opponent's end, w/o giving up much in his defensive zone when paired with Lindgren. I thought it freed him up. I don't know why DQ went back to Trouba/Skjei (leaving Td'A and Staal together) unless it was specifically to counter a Jets' line...a lot of firepower that Rangers did very well to neutralize. Wonder how they pair tonight. Georgiev starting

pj - someone above mentioned Chara: sure you must have seen the altercation along the boards and hard stick to Gallagher's throat. wtf if he gets away with that?

metnut, agree, they better extract extra pound of flesh from any of those
RE: Shock, pj and metnut  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14810697 ColHowPepper said:
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S&R - I thought Trouba looked much better, flowing movement into neutral ice and opponent's end, w/o giving up much in his defensive zone when paired with Lindgren. I thought it freed him up. I don't know why DQ went back to Trouba/Skjei (leaving Td'A and Staal together) unless it was specifically to counter a Jets' line...a lot of firepower that Rangers did very well to neutralize. Wonder how they pair tonight. Georgiev starting

pj - someone above mentioned Chara: sure you must have seen the altercation along the boards and hard stick to Gallagher's throat. wtf if he gets away with that?

metnut, agree, they better extract extra pound of flesh from any of those


Not just got away with it, but Gallagher got a penalty on the play. For getting his throat in the way of Chara's stick I guess.

Habs for so many years had a well earned reputation of "getting the calls" the pendulum has definitely swung the other way. They are rarely on the right side of awful officiating. Maybe history righting itself.

Chara was fined 5k for that play, the most allowable by the CBA. He has earned almost 100M in his career just from hockey contracts. That 5k is like a $10 fine for you and I.

RE: 'Seriously?'  
Jay in Toronto : 2/13/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14810427 Torrag said:
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Very seriously. The next puck battle he wins in our end will be the first. I have no use for defenseman that suck at defending. He sucks. If I have to watch the other team cycle our zone and get a grade A scoring chance again because of him I'll puke. If we didn't have one of the best goalie corps in the NHL bailing him out every night he'd be a net -15.


Very frustrating that Dmen seem to be evaluated by their points.

As I said in the game thread, Fox broke up a 3 on 1 with his stick -- shades of Harry Howell.

Where does that show up in the stats.
One comment about what I've been reading about this draft  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:42 pm : link
while many say it's a deep draft it's not shaping up to be deep with high end talent - from many scouts.

For example picks 1 - n are thought to be elite. but then what makes the draft interesting is that there is thought to be not THAT much separation for players y - 60.

I don't have the actual numbers, but say it's 15. 15 high end prospects and then 45 attractive players all with flaws.

I think that makes for a good draft with some 2nd round upside, but man it makes that 16 - 31 spot dangerous.

So, if your scouts believe that to be true, your 1st round pick if you're a playoff contender should be available.
that's outrageous result  
ColHowPepper : 2/13/2020 4:46 pm : link
Chara not even Game Misconduct? That was actionable assault. Aside from max allowable fine under the players' agreement, is there no leeway whatsoever for Bettman/League to step in with suspension?
Another good resource below  
Jay in Toronto : 2/13/2020 4:47 pm : link
I've also seen the Avalanche as a Kreider destination.

And Buchie was jokingly referring to his and Kreider's spots on this chart.

Probably a bit wistfully.


Trade resource - ( New Window )
If you don't get  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:49 pm : link
Lafreniere I wouldn't mind somehow being in the 10 - 12 spot and picking Jan Mysak.

talk about a draft riser.

Since he joined Hamilton, 12 p in 12 games.
RE: that's outrageous result  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14810716 ColHowPepper said:
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Chara not even Game Misconduct? That was actionable assault. Aside from max allowable fine under the players' agreement, is there no leeway whatsoever for Bettman/League to step in with suspension?


the league reviewed and decided on the fine.

I don't get worked up about this stuff, it all evens itself out (karmically) but the league is generally a joke when they claim to be about player safety.
Other hockey news  
pjcas18 : 2/13/2020 4:53 pm : link
wrt Beijing Olympics, if they're going to happen, the league met with the IIHF and the IOC.

And allegedly the IOC and IIHF agreed to amend everything the league had brought up as objections as to why they didn't want the players to participate.

the "puck" is in the league's court now and the players almost all want to do it.

Beijing is a shitty destination, but Olympic hockey is riveting with the world's best players, but as we saw last Olympics it's barely watchable without pros. Just seems like poor minor league hockey.

RE: RE: the Atheltic says  
Metnut : 2/13/2020 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14810694 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14810662 Metnut said:


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most likely destinations for Kreider are Pit, NYI and BOS. Doesn't seem like a list of teams NYR would be thrilled to deal with.



There is absolutely no way in hell they're going to trade him to the Islanders unless it's an overpay, and I don't know why the Islanders would do that.

Boston would be the most palatable from that list. They traded Nash there, after all.


Because, the Islanders are on pace for another 103+ pt season and a top 6 winger like Kreider would make them an even more dangerous team in the playoffs? He also likes NY so the Islanders would supposedly (im skeptical cause no one ever signs with NYI) have a chance to extend him.

He seems like the exact type of player the Isles would want to acquire. If NYR wants to take less to avoid dealing him to NYI, that's on them (same type of move I've seen my Mets make when it comes to dealing with NYY).

Pit already gave up their 1st, so not sure they can really outbid NYI. Isles would at least give up their 1st and while the NYI/BOS 1st could go either way, most would think the NYI 1st likely to be the more valuable of the two picks. Not sure what more it would take for NYI to deal him, but he's a rental player so I doubt the package would be too big.
Isles  
KDubbs : 2/13/2020 5:45 pm : link
Should see if anaheim would part with Henrique or if Montreal would be interested in a Domi deal. Otherwise go for a winger like grabner or lesser center like soderberg.
For the right deal I would trade D'Angelo  
Manning10 : 2/13/2020 6:50 pm : link
While he can be an offensive force at times he is not good in his own end and frankly gets caught up ice and teams have 2 or 3 on 1.
Strome is another one I think they can part with.
Pitt seems the best fit  
Vanzetti : 2/14/2020 1:36 am : link
Sid and Letang are 32
Mallkin is 33

Clock is ticking. Kreider would give them hella firepower

Pitt also lacks size

Perfect fit and they become top three cup favorites imo


RE: BTW  
Stufftherun : 2/14/2020 6:34 am : link
In comment 14810398 Anakim said:
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Can I just say that I fucking miss Arcarsenal? Where the hell is he? Hope he's okay.


Good point, he’s one of the good one’s. When did he last post?
RE: Pitt seems the best fit  
Jay in Toronto : 2/14/2020 7:33 am : link
In comment 14810924 Vanzetti said:
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Sid and Letang are 32
Mallkin is 33

Clock is ticking. Kreider would give them hella firepower

Pitt also lacks size

Perfect fit and they become top three cup favorites imo



But what can come back from Pitt?

I'm hoping Blues or Avalanche
I think Tatar  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2020 8:39 am : link
would be great for the Islanders and the Canadiens SHOULD be willing to trade him, but as long as they have Price they will not embrace a full blow it up rebuild they'll feel the need to try and build around him.

Price has a November like 2019 and as a fan I feel hopeless with this approach, then Price has a January like 2020 and I think with the right additions it could work. but then Weber goes down for 6 weeks or Gallagher or Drouin get hurt.

Anyway, I think Tatar would flourish in a Trotz system - Domi would too, but both would be good fits for NYI and I doubt MTL trades either.

If I'm Bergevin I trade (or would listen for a fair offer on): Domi, Tatar, Kovalchuk, Petry and more. Very few untouchables on that roster. Nick Suzuki is quickly becoming the best player on the team.
Any team trading  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2020 8:57 am : link
a F should be talking to EDM. No McDavid for a few weeks, and likely to lose Kassian after he kicked Cernak last night.

I would ask for Bouchard back.
RE: I think Tatar  
Metnut : 2/14/2020 8:58 am : link
In comment 14810985 pjcas18 said:
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would be great for the Islanders and the Canadiens SHOULD be willing to trade him, but as long as they have Price they will not embrace a full blow it up rebuild they'll feel the need to try and build around him.

Price has a November like 2019 and as a fan I feel hopeless with this approach, then Price has a January like 2020 and I think with the right additions it could work. but then Weber goes down for 6 weeks or Gallagher or Drouin get hurt.

Anyway, I think Tatar would flourish in a Trotz system - Domi would too, but both would be good fits for NYI and I doubt MTL trades either.

If I'm Bergevin I trade (or would listen for a fair offer on): Domi, Tatar, Kovalchuk, Petry and more. Very few untouchables on that roster. Nick Suzuki is quickly becoming the best player on the team.


Tatar would be great to have on NYI. Reasonable cap hit too. What would a reasonable offer be for him?
RE: RE: I think Tatar  
pjcas18 : 2/14/2020 9:04 am : link
In comment 14811009 Metnut said:
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In comment 14810985 pjcas18 said:


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would be great for the Islanders and the Canadiens SHOULD be willing to trade him, but as long as they have Price they will not embrace a full blow it up rebuild they'll feel the need to try and build around him.

Price has a November like 2019 and as a fan I feel hopeless with this approach, then Price has a January like 2020 and I think with the right additions it could work. but then Weber goes down for 6 weeks or Gallagher or Drouin get hurt.

Anyway, I think Tatar would flourish in a Trotz system - Domi would too, but both would be good fits for NYI and I doubt MTL trades either.

If I'm Bergevin I trade (or would listen for a fair offer on): Domi, Tatar, Kovalchuk, Petry and more. Very few untouchables on that roster. Nick Suzuki is quickly becoming the best player on the team.



Tatar would be great to have on NYI. Reasonable cap hit too. What would a reasonable offer be for him?


Bode Wilde and a 2nd? I assume Wahlstrom is off limits. I like Bellows too.
I'd give up wahlstrom  
KDubbs : 2/14/2020 9:10 am : link
In a Domi trade. I'd explore Saad also with Wahlstrom on the table
Kassian again? Is he the 2nd coming of Wilson?  
ColHowPepper : 2/14/2020 11:48 am : link
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I know this won’t be popular  
Vanzetti : 2/14/2020 1:27 pm : link
But Rangers should tell Hank is the number three goalie and he won’t be starting any games unless there is an injury and that he is going to be bought out this summer

Maybe he waives the NMC

I know that sounds harsh but when you sign a contract where you are going to 39 by the end and taking up 8.5 m in cap space, you should have expected to be bought out from the beginning
Jan Mysak  
pjcas18 : 2/15/2020 5:12 pm : link
video speaks for itself. Other than Lafreniere maybe my favorite player in the draft.

There are many of these in his brief OHL career.

Not saying he'll go higher than Byfield or others, but I hope my team is in a spot to get him.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Jan Mysak  
Jay in Toronto : 2/15/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14811865 pjcas18 said:
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video speaks for itself. Other than Lafreniere maybe my favorite player in the draft.

There are many of these in his brief OHL career.

Not saying he'll go higher than Byfield or others, but I hope my team is in a spot to get him. Link - ( New Window )


I'd love to see him on a line with Shadrach and Abednego.
Shea Weber  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 12:08 pm : link
now back on the ice and maybe will play tomorrow.

Just days after being out for the year and possibly his career.

Weird.

The Islanders just placed Cole Bardeau on waivers  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/17/2020 12:12 pm : link
and haven't called anyone up as of now. I usually try not to read the tea leaves, but that does sure sound like they're trying to keep a roster spot open for some reason.
So far  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 12:14 pm : link
two first round picks (TB* and PIT*), a 2nd round pick (NYI - 2021), two 3rd round pick (TOR 2020, TOR 2021) two 4ths (BUF, MTL) and a 5th (OTT - 2021) just in 2020.

Not to mention some good prospects have moved.

Seems like a severe seller's market.

I would trade any non superstar on the verge of a contract if I'm a rebuilding team.

pj, you don't want to refresh this thread  
ColHowPepper : 2/17/2020 8:53 pm : link
to a more recent date....or I guess you want only true believers, acolytes, and devotees, make 'em hunt? (:
RE: pj, you don't want to refresh this thread  
pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14812849 ColHowPepper said:
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to a more recent date....or I guess you want only true believers, acolytes, and devotees, make 'em hunt? (:

lol, maybe I'll start a new one tomorrow - or feel free yourself. a lot of hockey fans on here

another trade heightening the value of Kreider, etc.

John Shannon
@JShannonhl
· 4m
Canucks make it Official:
Canucks acquired right wing Tyler Toffoli from Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Tim Schaller, Canucks 2020 2nd round pick in the NHL Draft, rights to unsigned draft choice Tyler Madden and a conditional 4th round pick in the 2022 NHL Draft.
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pjcas18 : 2/17/2020 9:02 pm : link
Hockey 24|7
@iamhockey1
·
4m
#bruins have offered a first round pick and a B level prospect for Chris Kreider. #rangers would like to re-sign him but the asking price of 6x6 is too much.
6 by 6 is a bargain for him  
Davisian : 2/17/2020 9:11 pm : link
He'd get 7+ for at least 7 on the open market.

I want Charlie Coyle, one of their top 3 forward prospects and a first from those assholes if they're gonna get Kreider.

RE: 6 by 6 is a bargain for him  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 6:38 am : link
In comment 14812860 Davisian said:
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He'd get 7+ for at least 7 on the open market.

I want Charlie Coyle, one of their top 3 forward prospects and a first from those assholes if they're gonna get Kreider.


The latest on the draft is that it is elite in the top third or so.

Maybe get an upgrade in prospect as you suggest and first round in 2021?
I'm starting  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 8:54 am : link
to read "average draft" many scouts backing off claims of the draft being very deep (as initially thought) as they put together rankings/draft write-ups.

Top of the draft is strong, but from what I read, 15 - 60 sounds pretty interchangeable. Which may be why first/second round picks are moving.

Comparing to 2019, not sure you're getting Kaliyev, Hoglander, Sameul Fagemo or Nick Robertson (for example) in the second this year.

but who knows.
Rangers have to sign him  
Kyle in NY : 2/18/2020 9:19 am : link
if the ask is 6x6
Bruins 1st + mid-level prospect  
ColHowPepper : 2/18/2020 9:21 am : link
That's easy to turn down, almost insulting. I know very little re Toffoli. Where do you think he'd rank value-wise, compared to, say, a Stepan or Brassard (I know, positions not equivalent)
I agree  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:21 am : link
It's a very reasonable ask, assuming that's an accurate figure.

Here's the thing: when you sign someone like Panarin, you are committing yourself to contending sometime in the next few years. I'm having a hard time seeing how dealing Kreider moves them towards that goal. Figure something else out. Personally, I'd start with trying to deal Trouba.
Toffoli certainly isn't on Stepan's level at the time of the trade  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:25 am : link
Stepan was an excellent defensive center who was a consistent 50+ point producer.
As a Rangers fan  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:27 am : link
the friggin suspense is killing me!!
RE: I agree  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:29 am : link
In comment 14813035 Greg from LI said:
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It's a very reasonable ask, assuming that's an accurate figure.

Here's the thing: when you sign someone like Panarin, you are committing yourself to contending sometime in the next few years. I'm having a hard time seeing how dealing Kreider moves them towards that goal. Figure something else out. Personally, I'd start with trying to deal Trouba.


And Winnipeg is desperate for Dmen, lol
I'd take  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 9:30 am : link
Trouba on my team in a heartbeat - at that contract.

Only, MTL will (hopefully) be sellers not buyers.

maybe in the off-season at the draft before his NMC kicks in.

RE: I'd take  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 14813050 pjcas18 said:
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Trouba on my team in a heartbeat - at that contract.

Only, MTL will (hopefully) be sellers not buyers.

maybe in the off-season at the draft before his NMC kicks in.


I agree -- the only reason to consider is that the Rangers pipeline is way overbalanced toward Dmen.
I'd try  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 9:40 am : link
and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.
RE: I'd try  
jv : 2/18/2020 9:45 am : link
In comment 14813068 pjcas18 said:
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and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.

I agree Skjei is my preference. Rangers have LD in the pipeline. K'Andre Miller probably here next season. Rykov improving as he gets fit in returning from injury. Plenty of praise around Robertson as a prospect.
Trouba is a better player, yes  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 9:51 am : link
But neither has been particularly good this year and Trouba has the bigger contract that becomes an NMC next year. It's now or never to move him.
RE: Trouba is a better player, yes  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14813080 Greg from LI said:
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But neither has been particularly good this year and Trouba has the bigger contract that becomes an NMC next year. It's now or never to move him.


his NMC is effective in July (July 1), so I agree if they're going to move him it likely needs to be either deadline or draft.

RE: RE: I'd try  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 14813072 jv said:
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In comment 14813068 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


and trade Skjei more than Trouba.

LD are easier to find, but also I think Trouba is the better player and Skjei contract probably easier to move.

that should allow them to keep Kreider if they want.


I agree Skjei is my preference. Rangers have LD in the pipeline. K'Andre Miller probably here next season. Rykov improving as he gets fit in returning from injury. Plenty of praise around Robertson as a prospect.



Tony D also could and according to some should play LD even though he's a righty. Not sure I understand that, but yeah.
We need some asshat scoop  
Anakim : 2/18/2020 11:10 am : link
Where's Seth when you need him?
RE: We need some asshat scoop  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14813171 Anakim said:
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Where's Seth when you need him?


Hunger strike in support of the Wilpons.
I think Jay Bouwmeester  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 11:31 am : link
career is likely over. He's fortunate to be alive.

I bet STL would be a destination for a D.
/  
DanMetroMan : 2/18/2020 2:25 pm : link

Sens Communications
@Media_Sens
Trade alert: The #Sens have acquired a 2020 third-round draft pick from
@NHLJets
in exchange for defenceman Dylan DeMelo.
Habs dealing...  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:00 pm : link
Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
· 3m
The Canadiens have acquired St. Louis’ second-round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft (and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2021), in exchange for defenseman Marco Scandella.

#GoHabsGo

https://nhl.com/canadiens/news
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:01 pm : link
pulled off a great move.

Acquired Marco Scandella for a 4th in January, trade him in February for a 2nd.

(to the Blues, who I had pegged as a D destination).

I wouldn't be surprised if they add another D.
CAPS dealing  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:02 pm : link
Washington Capitals
@Capitals
Welcome to Washington, @BDillon04
!!

The Washington Capitals have acquired defenseman Brenden Dillon from the San Jose Sharks for a 2020 second round pick (originally acquired from Colorado) and a conditional 2021 third round pick

Full Details: https://washca.ps/DillonTrade
Nice work  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
JP - keep the updates coming. D flying off the shelves.

Habs  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:17 pm : link
keep 50% of Scandella salary.

MTL now has 3 second round picks for the upcoming draft which will be held in MTL.

Here you go PJ - Habs Draft stacked  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:18 pm : link
CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
·
11m
The Montreal #Canadiens now have 12 picks in the upcoming 2020 Entry Draft

5 of those picks are in the first three rounds

1st RD - 1
2nd RD - 3
3rd RD - 1
4th RD - 3
5th RD - 2
6th RD - 1
7th RD - 1
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pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 4:20 pm : link
Forever Blueshirts
@4EverBlueshirts
·
1m
With 2 games to go before the deadline it’s sound likely that the #NYR will likely scratch Jesper Fast or Chris Kreider for newly acquired Julien Gauthier. The 22 year old beast of a forward is #NHL ready.
Kings-Vegas Deal Getting Close  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:56 pm : link
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
·
8m
It’s not done yet, but VGK and LA are working to try to finalize a deal that would send defenceman Alec Martinez to the Golden Knights. Most telling sign will be if Martinez is in or out of the Kings’ lineup tonight vs. WPG.
Devils - getting hot!  
JPinstripes : 2/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
New Jersey Devils đź…™
@NJDevills

#NJDevils
forward Kyle Palmieri will be held out of tonights game for precautionary reasons.
RE: CAPS dealing  
2cents : 2/18/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14813547 JPinstripes said:
Quote:
Washington Capitals
@Capitals
Welcome to Washington, @BDillon04
!!

The Washington Capitals have acquired defenseman Brenden Dillon from the San Jose Sharks for a 2020 second round pick (originally acquired from Colorado) and a conditional 2021 third round pick

Full Details: https://washca.ps/DillonTrade


saw a clip of him getting very emotional over the idea of leaving San Jose, seemed genuine and like a good dude. Sucks i have to root against him now.
Seems like Isles are really going after  
Metnut : 2/18/2020 7:31 pm : link
Krieder but want to work out an extension first. For an extended Kreider, I’d offer a 1st, Wilde and Wahlsrom. Maybe even more.
I'd rather see Kreider just walk than see him playing for the fucking  
Greg from LI : 2/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
Islanders
Kreider and Avs  
pjcas18 : 2/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
picking up steam. Tatar is allegedly a backup plan if they can't come to agreement.
Hockey buzz  
Jay in Toronto : 2/18/2020 10:10 pm : link
reports hearing that chances of Kreider resigning with Rangers have decreased from 50% to 25% over the last couple of days.
Kreider and Boston  
jv : 2/19/2020 7:45 am : link
makes no sense other than he's from the area. Their farm system is among the worst in the league. They have nothing to offer that other teams can't beat with ease.

The Av's make so much sense unless the Islanders overpay.
CK's value to NYR is higher than to any other team  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 7:55 am : link
imo, of course. What I mean by this is that the 'explosion' of his offensive game has come in the context of chemistry and talent of his linemates, and we've not quite seen this game from him before, have we? By saying this I am not saying we should not trade him regardless of the package, only that I think he may not flourish with a different club the same way he has the last 25 games.
Would Kreider  
Jay in Toronto : 2/19/2020 8:41 am : link
have gotten Fote from TB?

The AVs make a lot of sense for a package. They are literally 'hurting' in goal and forward and Georgy plus one or some combination of Kreider, Fast, Strome could make for a blockbuster.
RE: Devils - getting hot!  
Stu11 : 2/19/2020 8:49 am : link
In comment 14813597 JPinstripes said:
Quote:
New Jersey Devils đź…™
@NJDevills

#NJDevils
forward Kyle Palmieri will be held out of tonights game for precautionary reasons.

FYI this was a bogus report from a fake Devils page. Be careful of that this time of year. Don't feel bad though Fox sports1 got faked out too they had it on their scroll during the Penn St.-Illinois game that's where I saw it.
had it on their scroll during the Penn St.-Illinois game  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 8:55 am : link
GTFOH (: On this God's green earth, why?
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pjcas18 : 2/19/2020 12:22 pm : link
Forever Blueshirts
@4EverBlueshirts
· 21h
Some noise that Jesper Fast could be traded before game tomorrow. #NYR
that window getting ever tighter  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 12:58 pm : link
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Mercogliano (does a good job for LoHud)  
ColHowPepper : 2/19/2020 1:30 pm : link
damn, still 3 goalies ):
Quote:

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
·
39m
Chris Kreider is watching practice from the bench in a hoodie. A handful of veteran types aren’t skating. No Jesper Fast, either, along with Mika Zibanejad, Artemi Panarin, Pavel Buchnevich, Brady Skjei and Marc Staal.

All 3 goalies are here. #NYR
Now just 4 days left  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 2:41 pm : link
Kase to Boston, but Backes was included - freeing up salary, so the B's could be involved on more.

Also, found this interesting:

Igor Eronko
@IgorEronko
·
1m
Per @SFedotoF
Ilya Sorokin's rights are gonna be traded to the Blackhawks soon. I'm hearing the opposite. Lou met Sorokin's agent. There're some requirements from Ilya's side, A and B bonuses and Euro clause. 99% chance Sorokin coming to the NHL next year #Isles
#Blackhawks
Sorokin's a really talented netminder  
Torrag : 2/21/2020 2:49 pm : link
Personally I always ranked Igor just above him based on his elite rebound control but it's a coin toss.
Sounds like it's done  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 3:30 pm : link


Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
· 13m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin’s rights to Chicago.
Dreger took it back already and said chicago confirmed no deal  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2020 3:31 pm : link
so who knows. If they do trade Sorokin to Chicago, I wouldn't mind Lehner coming back the other way.
RE: Sounds like it's done  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14815727 pjcas18 said:
Quote:


Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
· 13m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin’s rights to Chicago.


backtrack.

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
·
4m
Sorokin has not been traded to Chicago. Despite the fact his teammates and others in Moscow believed to this be the case. Chicago sources have confirmed no trade. My mistake.
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pjcas18 : 2/21/2020 3:49 pm : link
J
@Account4hockey
· 2m
Elliotte Friedman on CHED630:

NYI, COL still interested in Kreider. BOS preferred a RW vs LW. Kreider more likely to be traded than re-signed. If WSH could move Nick Jensen maybe they would go in. STL lurking. People think Pageau wants to stay in OTT.
To say the Devils season has been a disappointment  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2020 10:40 pm : link
Is a huge understatement but one of the few bright spots this season has been Mackenzie Blackwood. Blackwood is one of the leagues best young goalies and has established himself as the long term answer in net for the Devils.

Over his past 15 games Blackwood has a .930 save % and over the past 9 games it’s at .949. For the season he is up to .916 sv% despite a slow start due to an injury. Blackwood’s numbers are more impressive when you consider how bad the Devils defense has been this season.

One of the main reasons the Devils season fell apart was because Ray Shero didn’t have a contingency plan in place in the event that Cory Schneider struggled. Had the Devils signed Robin Lehner it’s possible that they could have been battling for a playoff spot with Lehner and Blackwood splitting time.

With all that said I would love to see the Devils try to acquire Sorokin if the Isles have really made him available. Sorokin and Blackwood would give the Devils a great tandem to split time. The Devils have plenty of picks to get a deal done or he could be part of a package for Palmieri.
Big impact  
pjcas18 : 2/23/2020 9:45 am : link
last night in TOR.

Canes lose two goalies and top 4 D, Pesce.

Rumored to be in on Bogosian (cleared waivers) and many goalies.

Seems like an intra-division match with the Rangers and also the Canadiens.
RE: To say the Devils season has been a disappointment  
Stu11 : 2/23/2020 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14816499 Jay on the Island said:
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Is a huge understatement but one of the few bright spots this season has been Mackenzie Blackwood. Blackwood is one of the leagues best young goalies and has established himself as the long term answer in net for the Devils.

Over his past 15 games Blackwood has a .930 save % and over the past 9 games it’s at .949. For the season he is up to .916 sv% despite a slow start due to an injury. Blackwood’s numbers are more impressive when you consider how bad the Devils defense has been this season.

One of the main reasons the Devils season fell apart was because Ray Shero didn’t have a contingency plan in place in the event that Cory Schneider struggled. Had the Devils signed Robin Lehner it’s possible that they could have been battling for a playoff spot with Lehner and Blackwood splitting time.

With all that said I would love to see the Devils try to acquire Sorokin if the Isles have really made him available. Sorokin and Blackwood would give the Devils a great tandem to split time. The Devils have plenty of picks to get a deal done or he could be part of a package for Palmieri.

Agreed. Also very encouraging is the play of Bratt and Nico recently. They are really taking that next step. The goalie #'s For Devils goalies besides Blackwood this year are: 3-16-3 with a GAA of well above 4. Thats not bad, thats worst in the NHL bad. I've really embraced building around kids. While I like Palms and be fine signing him to another contract after next season, I'd also be ok if we got a similiar package for him as we got for Coleman especially if it includes a Foote level type prospect on defense.
I am open to trading Palmieri  
Jay on the Island : 2/23/2020 2:29 pm : link
as long as the return is fair.

Bratt's performance lately has been a big relief. If Palmieri is traded Bratt may very well find himself on the top line next season if he continues to play this well. Obviously he is better suited as a 2nd or 3rd line wing but he will be one of the Devils best forwards after all the trades.

Nolan Foote will be in the NHL next season along with Ty Smith. Also it sounds like the Devils will try hard to sign D Reilly Walsh to an ELC. The other prospects who might sign are D Kevin Bahl, C Mitchell Hoelscher, and Aarne Talvitie. 2019 2nd round pick D Nikita Okhotyuk has already signed his ELC but will likely begin his career in the AHL.

The Devils will struggle with all the youth but it will be fun watching all these young kids develop. Hopefully the Devils land some solid young FA's to add some much needed experience to the roster.

The Devils need to move Vatanen and Simmonds for whatever they can get. At this point I would be happy with a 2nd for Vatanen. Carolina might have interest in Vatanen now and perhaps they would consider Cory Schneider if the Devils eat most of his $6 million cap number this season and next.

The Devils will once again have a lot of cap room this offseason which they can use to their advantage by helping out cap strapped teams in exchange for draft picks or players like they did when they acquired Palmieri, Johansson, and Gusev.

we've talked about it Jay but I'd love colemanesque NYI deal for KP  
Eric on Li : 2/23/2020 4:25 pm : link
NYI 1st
1 of Wilde/Bellows/Sorokin (would depend on what he's asking for in negotiations)

If Zajac is willing to waive I wouldn't mind adding a pick to include him too if NJD retain some $.

Between those 2 and Greene it would be kind of funny because it would basically turn the Islanders into the Isles plus the Devils 3 captains/AC.
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pjcas18 : 2/23/2020 8:03 pm : link
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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Zach Bogosian has reached an agreement with the Tampa Bay Lightning.
RE: we've talked about it Jay but I'd love colemanesque NYI deal for KP  
Jay on the Island : 2/23/2020 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14816821 Eric on Li said:
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NYI 1st
1 of Wilde/Bellows/Sorokin (would depend on what he's asking for in negotiations)

If Zajac is willing to waive I wouldn't mind adding a pick to include him too if NJD retain some $.

Between those 2 and Greene it would be kind of funny because it would basically turn the Islanders into the Isles plus the Devils 3 captains/AC.


I was a big fan of Bode Wilde in the draft. I wanted the Devils to draft K'Andre Miller or Wilde with the 17th pick that year because I didn't expect Ty Smith to fall that far. It sucked to see both of those players end up with the Rangers and Isles.

I don't know much about Bellows but I would be happy with Wilde or Sorokin and an unprotected 2021 1st. This years first currently has more value but we know that pick will be in the mid to late 20's. Next season if the Isles suffer several injuries, the goaltending struggles, older players lose a step, etc. that pick could be much higher.

As for Zajac he will veto any trade. The Islanders and Devils reportedly had a trade agreed to a few weeks ago but he blocked the trade. He would have been a good fit for the Islanders. He isn't a dynamic offensive player but he is excellent defensively and on face-offs. For some reason he doesn't want to leave the Devils despite being 34 and on a rebuilding team.

I wish more players felt that way about being a Devil but part of me wishes he would accept a trade so that they acquire a draft pick and it would give him a shot to win the stanley cup. Zajac's experience and leadership will be useful because the Devils are a very young team that will continue to get younger.

The Devils currently have their 1st, which will likely be in the top 10 possibly even top 5 with some more lottery luck, and two conditional 1st's (Canucks and Coyotes). If both conditions are met the Devils will get both of those teams unprotected 2021 1st's. Hopefully with some luck at least one of those picks ends up in 2021 and that team struggles mightily landing the Devils a top 10 pick.
Kovalchuck  
Jay in Toronto : 2/23/2020 8:24 pm : link
To Washington
Kovalchuck  
Jay in Toronto : 2/23/2020 8:26 pm : link
To Washington
kovalchuk really hasn't done much since returning to north america  
Torrag : 2/23/2020 8:29 pm : link
We'll see what he can bring to the Caps at this stage of his career.
Kovy still  
pjcas18 : 2/23/2020 8:37 pm : link
has hints of his old self was good in MTL with a good attitude.

But Bergevin having a good run.

Turns Scandella (acquired for a 4th) into a 2nd
Turns Kovy, league min FA, into a 3rd

Canadiens loading up picks for the MTL draft.
RE: Kovy still  
Jay in Toronto : 2/23/2020 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14816916 pjcas18 said:
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has hints of his old self was good in MTL with a good attitude.

But Bergevin having a good run.

Turns Scandella (acquired for a 4th) into a 2nd
Turns Kovy, league min FA, into a 3rd

Canadiens loading up picks for the MTL draft.


Does taking on that contract close any doors?
RE: RE: Kovy still  
pjcas18 : 2/23/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14816919 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 14816916 pjcas18 said:


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has hints of his old self was good in MTL with a good attitude.

But Bergevin having a good run.

Turns Scandella (acquired for a 4th) into a 2nd
Turns Kovy, league min FA, into a 3rd

Canadiens loading up picks for the MTL draft.



Does taking on that contract close any doors?


to come back to MTL? Kovy is a FA after the season. I'd welcome him back and if anything I think trading him to a contender would make him willing to return.

They did him a solid.
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pjcas18 : 2/23/2020 8:50 pm : link
CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
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3m
Tampa Bay #Lightning are now at the 50 contract limit. Meaning that the club cannot acquire another contract without first moving a contract out.

https://capfriendly.com/teams/lightning
As I expect...  
pjcas18 : 2/23/2020 8:50 pm : link


Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
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10m
The Habs intend to be bidders on Kovalchuk come July 1 if he’s free and hasn’t re-signed with the Caps. They genuinely loved what he brought to the organization on and off the ice over the past two months.
RE: Kovy still  
Jay on the Island : 2/23/2020 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14816916 pjcas18 said:
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has hints of his old self was good in MTL with a good attitude.

But Bergevin having a good run.

Turns Scandella (acquired for a 4th) into a 2nd
Turns Kovy, league min FA, into a 3rd

Canadiens loading up picks for the MTL draft.

Two excellent moves by the Habs.
'The Habs intend to be bidders on Kovalchuk come July 1'  
Torrag : 2/23/2020 8:54 pm : link
Good that they have that relationship. Gives them a solid chance to bring him back.
Kovalchuk could have helped NYI (Thompson too)  
Eric on Li : 2/23/2020 9:30 pm : link
really hope Lou doesn't strike out..again.
Kovalchuk  
Bramton1 : 2/23/2020 10:54 pm : link
can go fuck himself.
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